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Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:48:00 - [211] CCP...Please introduce XL Control Towers and have them cost 5 billion isk
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:54:00 - [212] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/10/2006 22:21:21 Originally by: sartorii No that is as it should be.. an attacker SHOULD take HEAVY losses when assaulting a Heavily Reinforced Defensive Position.. the current implementation means a large enough fleet (10+) can take any POS without ANY Risk at all.. and that is ludicrous. IAC now complaining about POS being underpowered is laughable and ludicrous. For the last 6 months or more every entity in EVE from LV to D2 has been complaining about how impossible to kill L Death Star POS's are. Heck in the TCF <> D2 conflict, the running joke was that TCF's kb leader was a L minmatar POS. Now you guys are whining that they are too weak?? Have you been living on the moon? Yes you are outumbered by FIX and MC, both in capitals and in support.. but to start blaming POS is just making your alliance look like bunch of noobs with no business in 0.0 at all... a bit like RISE. you got an oppinion about everything don't you? So you honestly think it's completely ok for a large pos to go into reinforced in 15 minutes? The fact that it is sooo easy only makes POS-spamming even more useful, which in turn would make more people whine as spamming 100+ POSses has never been fun, not for the defender not for the attacker. PS. You need absolutely ****loads of posts to beat DS, however don't stop trying... your posts makes for good reading/a laugh ____________ The Priory Killboard
Kuang V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:06:00 - [213] MC/ Fix have you out gunned and have the resources to do the damage needed to take out pos's the problem on your end is you can cause the damage to your enemy fighting at the pos not letting the pos do all the damage for you . POS's are a tool and isn't suppose to fight the war for you personally would like to see pos's damage less when unmanned and with people on the guns damage is more ( not like this will happen ) CDC Forums
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:26:00 - [214] Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/10/2006 23:29:15 Originally by: maGz So you honestly think it's completely ok for a large pos to go into reinforced in 15 minutes? If you use enough frigates you can melt a BS in under a minute. If you use enough fighters you can melt a DN in a few minutes. If you bring enough DN's you can kill a L POS in under 15 min. If you bring enough ships to a system you can crash a node. Whats your point?
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:35:00 - [215] Nez your a stand up guy. thx. USN
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:59:00 - [216] Edited by: Nebuli on 09/10/2006 00:02:08 Originally by: sartorii Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: sartorii Focused Fire has been a guiding principle of warfare since ranged weapons appeared... Indeed it is but if CCP allow this they need to SEVERELY nerf the damage output of a tower, otherwise all people will do is load up 19 large artillery's on an amarr tower and just alpha strike any dread. Also, there was a way you could have avoided losing sovereignty. No that is as it should be.. an attacker SHOULD take HEAVY losses when assaulting a Heavily Reinforced Defensive Position.. the current implementation means a large enough fleet (10+) can take any POS without ANY Risk at all.. and that is ludicrous. the only current method of holding a POS is to field a counter fleet immediately.. but since this is a game the Initiative lies completely with the attacker who has coordinated with its Pilots to clear their RL schedules for the Assault.. the Defender is left with whoever happens to be online/available at the time of the assault.. this forces the Defender into a Hasty Defense Posture, DESPITE MONTHS of Preparation. If this were NOT A GAME ofc the Response would be standing by ready to engage at all times... and an Attacker would have to plan to deal with the full might of an opposing fleet very quickly A Siege of an Entrenched, Long Established Heavy Defense Position SHOULD take place over a Protracted Period of Time with the Attackers taking Heavy Losses to even establish a foothold...Losing Sov overnight is arsine, when it takes 5 days to establish.. Sov changes should take place over the SAME TIME SCALE in either direction. This is simply not the case... POS warfare is a JOKE, a simple Numbers game.. and in a Numbers game all the advantages lie with the side with Initiative.. ie: the Attacker... Takes only 10 people to kill a large deathstar, and the attacker has the advantage? Riiiiiiiiiight. And how on Earth do you figure the timing is in the hands of the attacker? you need ONE person to swing a POS attack into the defenders favour GRWATLY, its called strontium, you look at the POS shield, you guesstimate how long left untill it hits reinforced, then add/remove strontium to make the POS come out of reinforced at a time to suit YOU. If you then cant form a counter fleet and get it into place for when the POS comes out of reinforced at a time YOU the DEFENDER chose then thats your own fault. Honestly, do you have ANY experiance with POS warfare, at all? Have fun all, sounds like youre all having a blast CEO - Art of War
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:03:00 - [217] I dont know where this idea of McFix outnumbering IAC + Snigg + CVA has come from, throughout most the day they've been hiding at pos with 2:1 odds in their favour, i'm not *****ing about being outnumbered but we certainly dont outnumber them
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:12:00 - [218] Edited by: Nez Perces on 09/10/2006 00:13:08 Originally by: Sivona I dont know where this idea of McFix outnumbering IAC + Snigg + CVA has come from, throughout most the day they've been hiding at pos with 2:1 odds in their favour, i'm not *****ing about being outnumbered but we certainly dont outnumber them .. gee then they don't even have that excuse... perhaps IAC leadership should tell their lower ranking members to stay off the forums.. cause they are making the whole alliance look a bit silly...
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Gallente Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 01:31:00 - [219] I'm with Sivona on this one... the idea that we outnumber the IAC is simply rubbish. IAC (1156) alone outnumbers both FIX (688) and MC (175 - MAX)- not to mention CVA's hostile incursion of 40 guys yesterday. I know that FIX is not all going to be there because this is IAC space. But IAC should be there because this is their space. So where does all this talk of being out numbered come from???
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.09 01:58:00 - [220] Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb I'm with Sivona on this one... the idea that we outnumber the IAC is simply rubbish. IAC (1156) alone outnumbers both FIX (688) and MC (175 - MAX)- not to mention CVA's hostile incursion of 40 guys yesterday. I know that FIX is not all going to be there because this is IAC space. But IAC should be there because this is their space. So where does all this talk of being out numbered come from??? ivkar counts as 50 people. In rust we trust!!!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 02:01:00 - [221] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb I'm with Sivona on this one... the idea that we outnumber the IAC is simply rubbish. IAC (1156) alone outnumbers both FIX (688) and MC (175 - MAX)- not to mention CVA's hostile incursion of 40 guys yesterday. I know that FIX is not all going to be there because this is IAC space. But IAC should be there because this is their space. So where does all this talk of being out numbered come from??? ivkar counts as 50 people. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
HawkeyeOne Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 02:13:00 - [222] Man, I still can't believe I wasn't invited to the conga party. -------- Like "She" said, "It's not your size, it's how you use it. I only "look" innocent.
BlackHorizon Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:20:00 - [223] Edited by: BlackHorizon on 09/10/2006 03:21:49 At this moment, a coalition of approximately 320 ships has now secured G-7 for IAC from MC/FIX. We have set aside our differences and united.
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:22:00 - [224] a coaliton of 320 ships just crashed the node
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:27:00 - [225] theory is that mc/fix crash the node whenever they feel threatend just a conspiracy theory /me puts on the tinfoil : )
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:30:00 - [226] Originally by: N Solarz theory is that mc/fix crash the node whenever they feel threatend just a conspiracy theory /me puts on the tinfoil : ) I think you'll find that your coaltion just spammed the system with drones and fighters, when you have a 10:1 ratio advantage (You have almost 400, we have what 40-50?). So who exactly is trying to crash the node? Not clever, tell your guys to wihtdraw your drones. Hani EQ - IT
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:36:00 - [227] Originally by: N Solarz theory is that mc/fix crash the node whenever they feel threatend just a conspiracy theory /me puts on the tinfoil : ) It could have been MC. Or mabe it was the 300 pilots you guys jumped in. /tinfoil
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:36:00 - [228] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: N Solarz theory is that mc/fix crash the node whenever they feel threatend just a conspiracy theory /me puts on the tinfoil : ) I think you'll find that your coaltion just spammed the system with drones and fighters, when you have a 10:1 ratio advantage (You have almost 400, we have what 40-50?). So who exactly is trying to crash the node? Not clever, tell your guys to wihtdraw your drones. im not gonna get into a flame war here. we will do whatever is nessesary (sp?) within the EULA. we do not crash nodes on purpose, they hurt both of us.
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:48:00 - [229] I did it, MWhAhAHAHA.... I made you all crash, I stole nez's lag genorator from the QDF war's that we left in a safe spot anchored. I took it when I left FIX, and I targed you guys.... <insert Dr.Evil laugh> Then I flipped the switch from 9-4 Blame me Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
Akuma Gouki Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:48:00 - [230] This is a sight to behold.
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:58:00 - [231] node crash #2 for the loss
Skoda Zek Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:00:00 - [232] I love watching IAC and friends complain about the node crashing... I just cannot stop laughing.
Crovan Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:08:00 - [233] Edited by: Crovan on 09/10/2006 04:15:22 Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 09/10/2006 03:21:49 At this moment, a coalition of approximately 320 ships has now secured G-7 for IAC from MC/FIX. We have set aside our differences and united. "Secured" is an interesting term. I believe the actual term is "crashed the node." Also, AXE? Wow, it seems someone with a paranoid streak and a giant golden ship really wantsthis to be about ASCN v BoB. finally manages to log back in Edit: TBH, I'm flattered that Tyrrax thinks he needs 300+ people to beat our 42 <3. Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:23:00 - [234] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 09/10/2006 04:24:48 25 dreads takes manpower to counter I expected 25 dreads and 60 t2 snipers tbh, didn't expect such a good turnout, but hey ecp8r had more, so Buhu. Oh and the cans were not being spammed, no bookmarks, and they were warp to points to counter snipers, for those of you utterly clueless a few cans causes hardly any lag at all. Oh and btw ASCN had nothing to do with our friends in AXE coming to help us. http://eve.klaki.net/
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:44:00 - [235] Tyyrax how about you bring 100 that gives you 2 versus 1 over MCFix. That should be a good fight and you still have odds in your favor. 300 is just ridiculous and I think most will agree. The Eve servers cant handle that. So lets be bigger and honorable men and fight within the constraints of the server.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.09 04:47:00 - [236] Originally by: Selpy I did it, MWhAhAHAHA.... I made you all crash, I stole nez's lag genorator from the QDF war's that we left in a safe spot anchored. I took it when I left FIX, and I targed you guys.... <insert Dr.Evil laugh> Then I flipped the switch from 9-4 Blame me Dastardly personage!! Let me guess. You're hold the system ransom for....1 MILLION ISKIES! Muhahahahaha!
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:02:00 - [237] Edited by: n sx on 09/10/2006 05:05:33 Originally by: Manfred Sideous Tyyrax how about you bring 100 that gives you 2 versus 1 over MCFix. That should be a good fight and you still have odds in your favor. 300 is just ridiculous and I think most will agree. The Eve servers cant handle that. So lets be bigger and honorable men and fight within the constraints of the server. You guys started this fight and now we're merely defending ourselves with the help of our friends. We would love to drop a dread fleet the size of yours in there but frankly we just don't have the resources. You guys have your high member logged in count, and now we have ours. We didn't cry about you being 'unfair' or 'un-manly' for doing so. The fact that we've now been officially asked by a GM to reduce shooting at a Outpost to regain it's control is a little upsetting. We came to counter you, and we can't even do that
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:12:00 - [238] Originally by: n sx You guys started this fight and now we're merely defending ourselves with the help of our friends. We would love to drop a dead fleet the size of yours in there but frankly we just don't have the resources. You guys have you high member logged in count, and now we have ours. We didn't cry about you being 'unfair' or 'un-manly' for doing so. The fact that we've now been officially asked by a GM to reduce shooting at a Outpost to regain it's control is a little upsetting. We came to counter you, and we can't even do that :(. Nobody is calling you 'un-manly' or saying that bringing 300 people is unfair. Sadly though, with the current state of the server you WILL crash the node if you bring those kinds of numbers, as you've just seen. Given that indisputable fact, people are suggesting that maybe you should consider a different tactical approach. If you continue along the exteme numbers path, then all of us - MC, FIX or IAC - are going to be doing a lot more staring at the log-in screen than we are playing the game. I don't think anyone wants that. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:16:00 - [239] I agree entirely that we don't all want to sit at login screens. The fact is though, essentially what you're saying is that because we dont have the same resources as you and the server can't hand what we've been able to muster, we are unable to defend ourselves, and thus should just handover our outpost. It's the same as me saying sure, bring in 22 dreads .... and we will bring in 100 ships.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 05:29:00 - [240] The south is a hostile place. I have lived here before IAC and now that I am a proud IAC member. While there are a lot of skirmishes between the parties involved in taking on MC/FiX normally we all hold respect towards each other. The south prides itself on manageable fights with as little lag as possible. It is historic in some of these enemies coming together to fight a common enemy. While MC is on contract and doing their job there is constant threat to ANY alliance that holds outposts that they can be assaulted. 22+ dreads dropping onto us was, pun intended, a sobering experience. It was fast and well executed. FIX on the otherhand haven't bee too polite. Although problems keeping local clean on our side has been a tough task. We are alcoholics afterall and we have the a resident alky who's name will be nameless. But to address the situation. There is no reason for this smack in this thread to our numbers. The demonstrated show of power by allies and south is not to cause node crashes it is to say that we are here to have fun and if you want to ruin that then you will have to deal with the consequences. Whomever put up this contract should realize should MC fulfil their contract there is going to be hell to pay. Its as simple as that. We are working with GMs to keep the node stable during our offensive and so far things are looking good. MC welcome to the South. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats

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