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Alaric Faelen
Huge Midget Gynocology Research Bureau
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:48:00 -
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From a cold, hard logical POV
Theft or betrayal in Eve is not only part of the game, but specifically a point many players like- whether they ever steal or are stolen from. This is Eve. Anyone playing for that long would have known this and may have taken part in something similar at some point.
The entire backstory is irrelevant. While personally tragic, it carries no weight in the context of theft in a game world. This is known as an Argument from Emotion, and is a logical fallacy. The theft of the game items stands alone, and the player's personal life is meaningless. His game loss is no worse than anyone else's, and more importantly-- IT'S A VIDEO GAME!!! He lost nothing real other than time playing he should have been enjoying.
This is the same QQing as always, but now with the emotional backstory. This post is just lashing out, finger pointing rather than analyzing the actual issues- which require professional help, not just ranting on game forums or substituting one drug for a digital one. Get help, real help. You won't find that on a game forum.
Cold? Yeah. We all have sob stories....I play Eve so much because I was injured while in the Army, and it's not by my choice that I am better at walking in a space station than in real life. I had a career, knees that worked- oh boo hoo. Now I play Eve....and yet somehow I haven't lost sight of the fact that it's what??? Say it with me.......a game.
Save the tear jerkers, it's childish. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:59:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In RL though, where there is consequence, there is civility. If someone wants to call me names on the internet, I don't care. They can even exercise their First Amendment to my face for all I care. But touch me and I will empty a magazine into them and any friends who are pointing and laughing. And you say the ones playing the game have issues. How's that morale high ground looking now?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:16:00 -
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my dong has reached a new low
har har. IF post = alt AND subject is positive for goons THEN assume goon alt post. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:21:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In RL though, where there is consequence, there is civility. If someone wants to call me names on the internet, I don't care. They can even exercise their First Amendment to my face for all I care. But touch me and I will empty a magazine into them and any friends who are pointing and laughing. And you say the ones playing the game have issues. How's that morale high ground looking now?
Live on your knees much?
Nobody has a right to hurt anybody against their will, for any reason, period.
My moral high ground is pretty dry, thank you.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:59:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Oh, I see. You're one of those internet tough guys.
It's kind of a funny reddit meme, the "look out, we got us a badass here"....but the reality is, there are some badasses here and there. And the "shoot you in the face" thing is cute and all...but when you're shot in the face, not so much. |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:14:00 -
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Hopefully if this incident is true, somebody won't introduced legislation over this . |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:22:00 -
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Hmmm....
Assuming this is true, we all know he shouldn't have been stressed to the point of falling off the wagon by what others do in a game. He knows it (he didn't want to point fingers except at himself), his wife is upset but struggling to understand it (she respected his wishes and didn't name names), his friend got too emotionally involved and started this thread.
I can understand that, even though I disapprove and would not have created a thread like this myself.
I wouldn't presume to personally cast judgement on any of the participants in this unfortunate situation, but I will say this in reference to his former corp mates even while acknowledging their complete right to act as they did.
No class gentlemen, no class at all. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:31:00 -
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Reminds me back in the day when somebodie's mother tried to sue Ozzy Osbourne because her son killed himself after listening to his music. |
Fionaa
Quantum Link Company
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:42:00 -
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How much plexes/dollars did this guy invest in this game?! |
Thora Tau'ri
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:04:00 -
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Yeah, sounds like a guy that invested real money into plex/ISK.
I've lost 2 faction/deadspace fitted Tengus within a week, and this was at a point when I could just fly and and was super new.
My response was "welp, time to get a new one" Which tapped out my wallet completely.
Losing ISK or assets in game should be like losing match of Battlefield. You can be pissed that you lost, but at the end of the day, it's just a game. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:15:00 -
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Good job Skyforger. |
Sefner
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:18:00 -
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Just to summarise OP - Dude tells Corp he is out of game for a while for medical reasons, afforementioned dude gets screwed over by afformentioned corp. Am I missing anything?
Regardless of your "welcome to EVE" and "htfu" comments, it all seems rather heartless.
The truth of this situation is of course unknown but to be honest if someone in game told me "im out of game for 2 weeks to have a baby" or "im out of game for the forseeable future to have major surgery" then frankly Id wish them good luck and see you when you get back. Screwing them over in their absence would not really enter the equation.
Am I wrong? |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:36:00 -
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People mean to eachother on the internets, news at 11. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:32:00 -
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... I bask in the chaos of this thread ...
IF REAL: I find the fact of the scam regular, I was scammed right upon login when a nameless person bought my free implant in 2005 for like 10isk when I was barely a couple of hours in the game and several others I learned the hard way, up to this day I still fondly remember Lofty for the scam named after him, good memories, but the act of gloating upon the act of this, apparently mentally ill person is a bit , extreme, distasteful and just plain wrong. There are limits, even in a world of rogues and deceit, there are limits.
IF FALSE: 7/10 made me talk for a bit with partners in the room and a twitter repost.
IF BOTH/NEITHER: the Chaos basking was glorious as I enjoy reading people's answers and snippets of some were resent to colleagues in the field. |
Alaric Faelen
Huge Midget Gynocology Research Bureau
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:25:00 -
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meh, my point stands. One's personal backstory is irrelevant. If stealing or scamming is bad, then it's so equally for everyone. Were his corp mates bad people to trust? Obviously, but it's not made worse because of someone's personal sob story.
I'd wager most Eve players have suffered tragedy or hardship, but amazingly don't equate RL to Eve. Hey my very first fleet op I was podded by my own FC when he nerd raged. He was a ****, but his podding me isn't made worse because I need a cane to walk or my momma didn't hug me enough. He didn't pod the actual me, retired vet, perma-gimp boo hoo backstory, he podded a fake person in a fake ship in a fake world.
Dope or game addiction or depression- none of that has a place on a video game forum. There are professionals for that, and really, anyone that thinks the way the OP expresses, needs just as much help themselves. We;re just easy to lash out at, and trying to blame Eve for one person's personal issues would be shot down immediately by qualified therapists. Why burst that bubble? Just rant at random people on the internet.
Inappropriate, irrelevant, not even coherent. Lock it, delete it, and to all, a good nite. |
Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:36:00 -
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Just weak...I'm not surprised that it happened though. People say, "This is Eve, rarr, rabble rabble." Eve is hard, yeah, but its an MMO, real people are involved, people who make friends even in the most openly despicable corps and alliances. The degree we invest in those friendships varies, but in the end, its the same. And for some, those friendships mean a lot. To be betrayed by those you consider friends can sometimes be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I hope everything turns for the best for him and his family, its going to be a long road. I'm glad the offenders are no longer anonymous at least. Surprise, a Nulsec crew. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:51:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Contacting CCP advertising Dept on any future Box release sets to suggest printing on Box" Do not play under the influence and remember to use brain when playing".
WTF????? Can we just calm down here before we start coming up with rules like that, I'd never be allowed to login
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Adamonus
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:19:00 -
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Well here is my story (short version):
- I was asking in german channel for help - I got "helped" via audiochat from an older woman ...and got rid of all my ships. I was told: "this is eve, this is eve!" and that it was my mistake and that a lanugage channel is not a help channel..ok, but extra audiochatting for such purposes is a little bit too much rl for my taste...and its less gamecontent but much more like trying to steal somone elses gamekey of course....for which player usually get banned in other games...Keep in mind if you are speaking to somebody you are talking to a real PERSON - and not to a virtual avatar.
- a few days later I was asking in official help channel some mining questions - SAME people catched me up in the belts and looted my container.
This is much more player created "additional content" - and has nothing to do with ccp ans eve.
At Fanfest 2001, CCP was asking their "f.uck yeah!" - answers from community for questions like : "Do you like spaceships?" ...and less "do you like to betray other player?"
IF CCP cannot handle active player harrasement ( and yes I do feel harrased if same people try to loot me more than serveral days) they should bann them from help channel - and use a CCP moderator in their OFFICIAL HELP CHANNEL.
Such a helpchannel-"quality" in a complex mmo like eve is really cind of ridiculous. |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:51:00 -
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That is a terrible story and I hope the guy in question recovers soon.
Many people would say EvE's a game, deal with it, trust no-one etc etc. But when you think about it, people are investing thier time, energy and life into this game and we need to maybe respect eachother a little more.
I know in the EULA it states that anything in game actualy belongs to CCP blah blah blah but in my eyes anything someone earns hell even buys with isk which may have been funded by buying plex then selling on the market is thier property.
What occured here was malicious theft and hell in some contrys people have thier hands cut off for less. I seriously hope that the all new all careing CCP take harsh action against tho's involved! |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:59:00 -
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Please keep the discussion in the original thread. Thanks!
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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