Hello everyone. We are updating Singularity as we speak with the first testing versions of our Scylla release coming immediately after Fanfest.

If you've been watching CCP Rise's tweets, you already know that we have some important balance changes in the works and that more info will be coming this week.

I'm making threads right now for two of the sets of changes coming in Scylla, and for details of the rest you should watch the o7 show tonight at 20:00 EVE Time and keep your eyes peeled for a Dev Blog that will drop in the coming days. I'm making threads for this subset of the planned changes today because these are the ones that are already running in today's SISI update.

As many of you know, Strategic Cruisers are extremely powerful ships that see common use across EVE. We have said for a long time that we want to do a comprehensive balance pass on them, buffing some aspects of these ships and nerfing some other aspects. That larger set of changes is still in the works, but in the meantime we are making a targeted set of changes to the Defensive Subsystems on the four T3 Cruisers.

The biggest changes here are to the hitpoint bonuses subsystems, Supplemental Screening and Augmented Plating. These subsystems are by far the most powerful defensive subsystems for PVP use, and their strength is a significant part of why T3 cruisers often eclipse other competing ships (such as HACs and Command Ships) and why the Loki struggles in comparison to the other three.
We're reducing the strength of the bonuses on these specific subsystems, to +7.5% Armor HP per level for Augmented Plating and a combo of +5% Shield HP and +3% Shield Recharge Rate for the Supplemental Screening.
The other changes in this pass are all more minor tweaks to HP and signature values to help balance out the viability of the different subsystems relative to each other.

Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter

• Signature Radius: 140 (-14)
Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating

• +7.5% Armor HP per level (previously +10%)
• Signature Radius: 154 (+7)
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

• Armor HP: 3750 (+150)
Legion Defensive - Warfare Processor

• Signature Radius: 147 (+7)
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter

• Signature Radius: 125 (-5)
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

• Signature Radius: 130 (-13)
Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor

• Signature Radius: 143 (+13)
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter

• Signature Radius: 160 (-16)
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating

• +7.5% Armor HP per level (previously +10%)
• Signature Radius: 176 (+8)
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector

• Armor HP: 3650 (+150)
Proteus Defensive - Warfare Processor

• Signature Radius: 168 (+8)
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

• Signature Radius: 150 (-15)
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

• +5% Shield HP and +3% Shield Recharge Speed per level (previously +10% Shield HP)
• Shield Capacity: 3550 (-200)
• Signature Radius: 165 (+7)
Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor

• Signature Radius: 157 (+7)

Like I said, these are not the final changes we want to make to T3 Cruisers, they are one specific set of changes we are making to help improve the balance surrounding this class until we can finish the comprehensive pass down the road.
These are also not the only balance changes coming in Scylla. All the details on those changes will be released in an upcoming dev blog.

Bah brave is the new horde and they muster some t3's but still 150 other trash ships in with it...

Crucifiers. Crucifiers as far as the eye can see.

All in all I approve of the direction of these balances, though the insistence on shield regen is a little out of touch given we are talking about a ship that needs nerfing because of its fleet applications. Shield regen when you will have logi is a touch daft, but I also get that you can't serve only null fleets all the time.

A very small change to sigs on the Warfares is fascinating as well, if only to shake up the laziest of boosters.

an armor t3 may be able to push serious EHP, but not while pushing out dps at the same time. Tengu can do both.

CCP Fozzie would you please present the numbers showing the current HP stats of a Tengu with supplemental screening fit, a Legion with adaptive plating fit, and Proteus with adaptive plating fit; then compare them to the soon to be nerfed versions? Essentially please give us numerical proof that the Tengu deserves a 5% nerf AND a 200 base HP nerf while the Legion and Proteus only deserve a 2.5% nerf. I have a feeling it does, but I am not 100% sure on how to calculate the numbers.

Id still like someone from CCP to explain the logic to nerfing ships that are 3 times the cost of the others, it is their point to be better than HAC because of cost... Just nerf everything to T1 values so the hordes can win already.

ok

CCP Fozzie would you please present the numbers showing the current HP stats of a Tengu with supplemental screening fit, a Legion with adaptive plating fit, and Proteus with adaptive plating fit; then compare them to the soon to be nerfed versions? Essentially please give us numerical proof that the Tengu deserves a 5% nerf AND a 200 base HP nerf while the Legion and Proteus only deserve a 2.5% nerf. I have a feeling it does, but I am not 100% sure on how to calculate the numbers.

All the more reasons to fly ishtars.
A step in the right direction indeed.

Except the dps of a tengu aren't really that great. The normal fleet Tengu fit does less raw dps than the Moa (because it doesn't a drone bay). It has great damage projection but raw damage where never really a problem.

Tengu use in WH space - Armour

Too far too fast Fozzie. Your hitting the tank bonus, AND the base value of the tank. Your adding a shield regeneration bonus directed at smaller engagements where a buffer passive regeneration tank might hold some water.

I can see why you need to make some adjustments to the subsystem. I only ask you take baby steps and scale it up gradually if required.

Shields come with some big inherit disadvantages that need to be considered too such as sig radius. I fear changing multiple attributes at the same time will over nerf the ship hull, and make it take longer to find its balance.

Please start with the 7.5% buffer reduction, and scrap the regeneration bonus. See how that works out, then continue if necessary. I feel the regeneration bonus is a black hole.

Regeneration tank's are doomed because they can only be overly powerful, or sub standard. This is because the nature of that tank requires a high buffer extend the period of peek recharge. This dual strength makes it overpowered when its useful, and terrible when its not. Any attempt to re-design this ship to be focused on this tank method would require a change to the mechanics of shield regeneration, and shield tanking as a whole. Committing the Tengu down this path will relegate it to obsolescence unless you commit to making passive regeneration a viable and balanced tank option that is not so black and white in effectiveness.

Overall, T3 hulls need to be seriously reviewed anyways because they literally outclass most T1 and T2 ships defeating the design guidelines that T2 should be specialized and better at their assigned specialization, while T3 focus mainly on versatility. Therefore you just need a change to temporary put these ships in a less dominant position while you re-evaluate your T3 design.

Not true, Lazerhawks signature heavy shield fleet is just as effective as and heavy armour fleet.


I agree with this dude.
Get rid of that ridiculous passive regen bonus on the Tengu and give back a little extra hp. A small nerf is not so bad, but a big one is nerfing wspace playstyle. You're already making it easier for dreads to hit us with the sig radius penalty.

Id still like someone from CCP to explain the logic to nerfing ships that are 3 times the cost of the others, it is their point to be better than HAC because of cost... Just nerf everything to T1 values so the hordes can win already.

Fozzie is Conan the Barbarian with the NerfBat. He never does any in babysteps.

Id still like someone from CCP to explain the logic to nerfing ships that are 3 times the cost of the others, it is their point to be better than HAC because of cost... Just nerf everything to T1 values so the hordes can win already.