The 5-10 traillion isk federate megathron is weaker than a vindicator. So yea, a cruiser should never be better at being a battlecruiser than a battlecruiser.

So your logic is that a more skill intensive ship and more expensive ship (not due to rarity or AT rewards) shud be weaker just cause its smaller....lol

So your logic is that a more skill intensive ship and more expensive ship (not due to rarity or AT rewards) shud be weaker just cause its smaller....lol

Well I will say this I have spent over $6000 in real life money on Eve. CCP you are listening to all these players that play for free and thus complain about ships like the t3's because they can't afford to buy one or afford to lose one. You need to keep the pay to play players happy, because if the pay to play players stop paying and leave Eve how long will you be able to run Eve? When there is no advantage to pay to play then why will anyone pay?

Everybody pays subscription to play EVE.

Just sayin'.

They just can't seem to comprehend that a t3 is an hybrid cruiser that employs the best T2 cruiser technology the 4 empires have and an advanced alien technology that makes the ship much more powerful than its size would suggest.

You could take a ship the size of a bathtub and if it possessed advanced anti-gravity, shield and plasma weapons technology there would be not one aircraft from our planets big 4 nations that could do anything with it. Why is it so hard to understand that ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY, no matter the size wins hands down?

No they don't. I know players that have been playing longer than I have that have never spent not one red cent on this game.

So you think the PLEX they used was made out of thin air?

They grind ingame making isk to buy the plex with ingame made isk. They don't spend their real life money at all. Where do you come from?

Actually yes it was made out of thin air, CCP created it. A plex can be bought with real life money or with fake ingame money ISK. One does not have to use any real life money to acquire a plex. They just have to make enough ingame money(ISK)

Actually yes it was made out of thin air, CCP created it. A plex can be bought with real life money or with fake ingame money ISK. One does not have to use any real life money to acquire a plex. They just have to make enough ingame money(ISK)

T3s Vs FracBS
-less tank

So you are saying that a 500 mil cruiser shud be weaker than a 50 mil battlecruiser?

No way you can get above 100kehp on just t2 mods without implants and being able to fit modules in mids and high slots.

Challenge accepted.

[Tengu, Current Railgu]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

334kEHP with links and heated. No implants. Cap stable. ~500dps. lrn2EFT

No, but T3s are overpowered. Even for their cost. Look at the plain facts: It's cheaper to fly Tengus than Megathrons because Tengus dont die as fast and dont need as much replacement.

No they don't. I know players that have been playing longer than I have that have never spent not one red cent on this game.

Passive regen is interesting.

Not sure if +15% is that much though, I would hope for a bigger boost.

Saw this from a mile away. While I love my T3s, this is necessary to make battleships viable. The gap between T2 cruiser and T3 cruiser is way to big. I shouldn't be able to fly a cruiser around with the tank of a BS, sig of a cruiser, and the DPS of a T2 AC. It undermines the BS class. While BSs are still too easily blapped by dreads this is a start in the right direction.

That said, I'd like to see some minor changes to grid/cpu and the removal of skill loss.

Just about everything else works out.

Keep up the good work CCP.

PS - who do I have to pleasure around here to get some help with the Rev?

One of the more convincing arguments for a EHP nerf - my main problem with that fit though isn't the 200+K EHP but the fact it can do that while able to potentially 1km/s heated AB w/ links, align in under 6 seconds and 150ish sig (when linked) and still a very respectable 230 ish sig when not linked... in that configuration it should be more like half that kind of mobility and 300 odd sig.

Cost means nothing in terms of balance.

Its a cruiser, so thats where it needs to be in terms of its stats. Not overshadowing battleships.

First, I'm glad Strategic Cruisers are getting nerfed. When the standard response to a Proteus being in the fight is "just dock up", because there is no good counter other than a blob or more T3s, the ship class is OP.

Nerf the tengu and you will see them. Me and bullet don't see eye to eye on many things but on this he is spot on. The proteus is seriously out of whack in terms of tank compared to any cruiser and puts just about every batttleship to shame. Currently the bare hull gets:

125 shield EHP
125 armour EHP
2.32k hull EHP

That's nothing I hear you cry, well yea buts that's before we slap on a subsystem. With the Augmented plating we get:

6.1K Shield EHP
14.9k EHP
2.32k EHP

That's a little more than twice as much armour as a phobos, the supposedly superheavy cruiser for tackling titans.

WOW because links aren't the common denominator with most of the games imbalances, no Sir not at all.

To balance links I propose that getting killed in a links ship (any ship fitted with links) resets one of your links skills to level 4 randomly.

Why are T3s in need of an emergency defensive subsystem nerf after all these years of being unchanged? Surely just waiting to do an actual balance pass would be the sensible thing to do.