Dear CCP,

Removing the Fighter assist and allowable warp is simply appalling . This Risk vs Reward venture of CCPs scope should be focused on High sec so that we may actually fight gankers.

Either way I am utterly disappointed that CCP is removing content and play styles instead of introducing a mechanic that would allow players to counter. In lay-mans terms we are talking about taking the scissors out of RPS instead of adding a new way to play or a way to counter the "Skynet Problem"; lets just remove it.

How about removing the skewed dynamics that Gankers use to their advantage and leaves everyone else high and dry? Oh wait they are trading a 4M isk fit for a hauler carrying a few billion isk, that sounds like a really square Risk v Reward dosent it? Then not having any possible way to strike back at them, sounds like everything is in order here, right!?

Moving forward with this you will see a tremendous decline of Carrier use. Thats on you.

I say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to all and any form of changes to the carriers.

- Panda

P.s. Your making a mistake.

CCP, do'nt touch carrier's, or you loose more players!
Carrier's and big carriers make low and null space is very hard for capsulers.
They must have a good tactics for battle in the systems with carriers.
You can make game is very easy and boring.
Please think about it.

I'd much rather them postpone this for the rebalance so we can see what they're doing overall, and pass judgement then. This feels like they're going to postpone it forever and SoonGäó it forever.
What if they increased the sig radius of fighters, and made scrams affect them? That'd provide a good incentive to not use em.

Hopefully CCP will look at it soon .

--
Fang

I'm still waiting for even one of these risk averse cowards to explain why, in a world where people are against off grid boosting, they think off grid DPS is somehow "ok"....Cost and training time are not a reason.

Man up, put it on grid. If you don't have the fortitude for that risk, stop flying it.

Hell you get change out 1.5b for an archon these days. People lose ships worth that on a daily basis.

Hello

Appreciate all the feedback very much.

Based on what you've said here we are planning to leave Fighter warping in, but stick with removing assist.

We hear the concerns about the state of capitals and loss of return on investment from training towards them and we absolutely want to make sure that caps of all kinds are not only viable but exciting and powerful. We still feel this change is necessary, but we are looking into ways to improve on the state of capitals and capital balance. No news on that front for now but it's something we are committed to improving.

Thanks again.

The removal of fighter assist coupled with the just released dev blog on sov changes which removes structure grinding is close to being a bridge too far for me. I spent the whole of the last year training multiple pilots up to supers and grinding out the isk for hulls and fits. Now it seems that my supers are close to useless as they no longer are necessary for structure bashes and can no longer assign fighters, which leaves them with the sole purpose of killing other capitals, which is much more cost effective just using dreads. I personally haven't ever used Skynet as a tactic and I've not encountered the tactic myself when on fleets nor heard complaints from alliance or coalition mates about the practice so this whole idea of it being an epidemic just seems overblown to me. I see a lot of take with no give in regards to capitals being nerfed. There are more elegant solutions to the Skynet question than just out and out removing a decade-old game mechanic. At this point I am getting very frustrated with training characters up on extremely long skill plans just to see them become irrelevant. I am also upset by the fact that our feedback never seems to get taken into account, why even have this thread when you]re not going to listen to the players?

Hello

Appreciate all the feedback very much.

Based on what you've said here we are planning to leave Fighter warping in, but stick with removing assist.

We hear the concerns about the state of capitals and loss of return on investment from training towards them and we absolutely want to make sure that caps of all kinds are not only viable but exciting and powerful. We still feel this change is necessary, but we are looking into ways to improve on the state of capitals and capital balance. No news on that front for now but it's something we are committed to improving.

Thanks again.

Please don't stop taking us for idiots, you make all capitals useless and you say you'll make them usefull one day maybe in a month, a year, may be more than 5 years. Why don't you make them more usefull now? When will you make them usefull?

The fact that there are people against the change does not mean they have to cancel it.

Given the sov changes announced, I don't have words to describe how offensive and disrespectful is your post to all capital pilots in EVE, whom are condemned to use carriers for ratting, Dreads to shoot poses and Supercarriers ONLY to shoot pocos.
We train for years and spend gorilions to get ******* to the deepest part of our **** so kids that fly t1 cruisers are happy.
Risk-reward.. ayy lmao.

The fact that there are people against the change does not mean they have to cancel it.

Corollary: The fact that CCP introduced said change does not mean they have to go forward / that it's good.
Alternate corollary: Just because someone's defending a feature does not mean that feature is inherently bad. That's called a Kafkatrap.

You're going far too fast on big changes, and not fast enough on the little things. Like for example, CSPA. Really? It took you 10 years to realize what a useless thing that is? Seriously I figured THAT crap out in 30 seconds. And its a "feature" in Scylla? That should have been a bug patch like 9 years ago.

Yes but trying to call out CCP as not taking the feedback into account is still stupid even if they might be wrong in their final decision.

Yes but trying to call out CCP as not taking the feedback into account is still stupid even if they might be wrong in their final decision.

We hear the concerns about the state of capitals and loss of return on investment from training towards them and we absolutely want to make sure that caps of all kinds are not only viable but exciting and powerful. We still feel this change is necessary, but we are looking into ways to improve on the state of capitals and capital balance. No news on that front for now but it's something we are committed to improving.

if you want feedback here it is:

ppl will sell their capital ships if someone will buy them or just warp to anomalies to get their insurance from it with nothing fitted
what are the use for a capital ship if it cant assist due to carrier role ingame is = as i get it support so hes supporting other player/alt with fighters or remote repairing/shield boosting

my point is with the cutting of jump range for capitals was ok and i said nothing
but no use for carriers after sov change in next patches and huge nerf for fighters and their unicness
so yeah i guess ill get my insurance after the fighters are gone from game...

my point is carrier is a support ship and should stay like that

i dont agree with it and never will carriers are unique and should stay like that i think you already noticed its the shiptype i like the most in game :)

p.s: plz dont listen to whole those ppl who cry about getting killed by fast ship with fighters or something like that
p.s.s: I AND MORE LIKE ME DONT CRY WHEN THEY GET SUICIDED IN HIGH SEC


p.s.s.s: short jump range cant assist and soon cant go triage....

Why no fighters for T3s? - They are a strong ship class that is heavily used in the current meta. Lore-wise, their distinct technology provides an easy explanation for the inability to interface.

Another thing to consider,

Its the tracking modules in mid-slot thats the problem with fighters, the active omnis give way better tracking, why not just remove module enhancement to fighters when they are delegated/assisted (or offgrid from super or carrier) ? That makes it harder to track and damage wont get out of proportions