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R Dan
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:13:00 -
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LOL!
...this is a joke thread right?
right??
....well just incase I'll feed the troll!
Firstly Zixxa, POST WITH YOUR MAIN
If this is your main, get some experience (of playing the game) before whinning on the forums
Secondly,
Think how i felt when the raven lost its railgun bonus. For several YEARS I've wanted a caldari rail BS and its finally here! And this time its not a change, the missile king still lives.
Third
Why are your missile skill points wasted? Wheres the raven going? did i miss something?
Fourth
Caldari are not missiles only. my Eagle rocks thanks. I'd slap anyone who tried to swap its bonuses for missile ones.
Its great for what it does, nothinging else snipes like it can. PS I fly vagabonds and Ishtars now too, but I'll happily take my eagle out when the circumstances fit.
Fith
Tier 3 BS are not supposed to be "tier 2 plus" they are going to be slightly better all round: cap, shields, armour etc because thats the general progression. but in the same way that tier 2 is not just "tier 1 plus" these wont be. they'l each have their role I'm sure. Rokh is the caldari fleet damage dealer. the gallente have one already so the Hyperion is said to be close range blasters.
[Quote=Zixxa]Yes, also train for BBird and fly in fleet.
To be good as caldari you have to fly Raven. And even with raven and maxed missile skills you rather has no chance to be good in fleet battle. But you will rock in small gang pvp.
....did you not just argue against your original point?
ATM yes i agree the raven sucks in "fleet battle" but the rokh wont. and the raven will "rock in small gang pvp" as much as it always did....
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Zylatis
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zylatis on 12/10/2006 13:17:07
this is a pretty funny topic. the sheer lack of grey matter is awesome, day time tv is calling you lot.
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Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Come say that to my rook. When you cant lock ,move or warp and nossed and i use my crappy little guns on you all day im sure youll think differently.
The point is you dont NEED a raven to be 'good at caldari', a statement which is in itself flawed. I for one welcome the rokh, i want a rail boat. Missiles have advantages and disadvantages, the latter of which can be made up with rails (ie time to dmg, ammo size, explosion velocity etc)
One thing i dont see the Rokh as being is a gallente ship. Why should it? Its not geared for blasters drones and MWD, its geared for long range sniping with rails and shield tanking, thus a Caldari ship through and through. If you have somehow changed what caldari is then thats your loss but i dont care its more rokhs for me.
I also take umbrage do the idea that caldari rail boats suck. You obviously have no idea how fleet battles work and so lack the wisdom to effectively wield and eagle or harpy.
But all in all its a game, if your gonna **** and whinge about stuff the whole time you aint havin fun so go away, care factor zero.
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Belid Hagen
Illegitimate Royalty
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:20:00 -
[93]
just out of curiosity - where are you guys seeing detailed information on ships comming in kali?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Belid Hagen
just out of curiosity - where are you guys seeing detailed information on ships comming in kali?
The blogs have talked about the bonuses. The slot layout are from very old data which cant be trusted. Then you add some of the caldari/gallente interests of Tuxford and reach a conspiracy theory you can publish on the forums.
Thats what I do anyway. 
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:30:00 -
[95]
damn noob. and troll. kill teh noobie.. 
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Bombasy
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:40:00 -
[96]
Another retard. Out of my genepool please, come on, right this way into the pit of death.
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Cividari
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:45:00 -
[97]
Thanks for giving me some light reading to do while bored at school. This thread has been hilerius(sp?).
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari.
Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh.
In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all.
Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO?
Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven.
dude your whining is based on your opinion on railguns, stop *****ing please you just want an upgraded raven which is kinda pathetic, if you don't like all those ships just don't fly them? It's not like I fly every ship I can fly
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D'Arkon Skye
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Posted - 2006.10.12 13:56:00 -
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EVERYONE is missing the point of the Rohk... It has turret hardpoints because its the Caldari mining BS!!! =D
And to feed the absolutely hilarious troll bait thing going on here:
My hybrid gun skills currently suck, although my goal is to fly all T1 ships of all races eventually. I think its great that Caldari is getting a rail boat, as it gives a BS toy to all the weirdos ( =P ) out there that like to fly the hybrid Caldari ships rather than take the easy route like me and fly the missile ones to make more money doing agent missions faster.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:17:00 -
[100]
Originally by: D'Arkon Skye
EVERYONE is missing the point of the Rohk... It has turret hardpoints because its the Caldari mining BS!!! =D
That's the first thing that hit me when I heard about it actually ... 8 turret harpoints, shield resistances, time to retire my mining Apoc 
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And to feed the absolutely hilarious troll bait thing going on here:
My hybrid gun skills currently suck, although my goal is to fly all T1 ships of all races eventually. I think its great that Caldari is getting a rail boat, as it gives a BS toy to all the weirdos ( =P ) out there that like to fly the hybrid Caldari ships rather than take the easy route like me and fly the missile ones to make more money doing agent missions faster.
Weird as it is, I complete my level 3 missions faster in my rail-Ferox than in my missile-Ferox ... my "average" skills mean that I do roughly the same damage with both weapon types, but the flight time of the missiles make the difference ...
And yes, I use a passive shield tank with 5 250mm railguns 
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:23:00 -
[101]
Originally by: keepiru
Yes, definitely Detaurus... surely there cannot be 2 people like this in the world?
Hold me, I'm scared...
thats so funny, i might quote you on that
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Snikkt
Gallente
Time Cube Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:36:00 -
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I'm posting just because of a few comments in here, like
"No Gallente pilot besides Pottsey has maxed shield skills"
Actually, I do, for roleplaying reasons, and personal preferences. All my Gallente ships are shield tanked., and out of my 2.2 million skill points, 600K of them are in Engineering, with only 50K in Mechanic.
I really don't care about "What works best" And what ship is designed for what, I just like shield tanking because it's fun, and it fits how I like to play best.
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Koth Krakenworth
Minmatar
S.A.S
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:37:00 -
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Stop whining you caldari bastards, if you wanna be proper Minmatar pilot (since our bonuses are all over the place) you got to fully train Projectiles, Missiles, Drones, Armor tank AND Shield tank. Oh noes, you cannot specialize in missiles and shield tanking alone, you might actually have to spend a couple of months getting a third system up! How awfully sad! 
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:46:00 -
[104]
caldari arent moaning you nubcake - Its the moron who is. The rest of us caldari pilots are on your side....idiot
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:49:00 -
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if it is the BS progression of the Ferox, i predict the Ferox being unseated as the king of passive shield tanking.
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Jonay
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Posted - 2006.10.12 15:04:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Zixxa
Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari.
Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh.
In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all.
Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO?
Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven.
I allways wanted to say that, TROLL .
Everyone knows from some months ago that the new caldary bs was for turrets, everyone had enought time to train for large railguns tech 2, for you and the others who want another missile boat stop your **** and start training railguns.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:01:00 -
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im no where close to tech 2 large rails but im still excited about this ship, it looks badass and if they hold true to the 8 turret points this baby will have a sweet broadside.
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Filux
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:31:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: CKmobster
It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r!
Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game.
Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Originally by: CKmobster
Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact".
Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints?
To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
Zixxa, if you've been strictly training for missiles and haven't touched hybrids, then the Rokh isn't for you, enough said. Tux has designed this ship because Caldari do not have a rail boat. Nobody is making you train millions of skillpoints. It's not a Gallente ship, its Caldari. If a Gallente wants to train up Caldari BS to multispec, thats great. I am Minmatar, does that mean I have to stick with Minmatar ships because Caldari ships don't have projectile bonuses and aren't made from scrap metal and duct tape? I am multispecced into Caldari and will be training up larger hybrid skills for the Rokh. This is a decision I am choosing to make, you don't have to make the same decision I am, and as such, you have NO right to complain. Go fly a Raven with your Ub3r missile skills and stop complaining that you won't be flying one of the sexiest ships to be added to EVE.
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Dissaster
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Irrilian
How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven?
Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay.
Please, no joking.
Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel
Moa is crap. Get Caracal.
Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus.
Ferox is usually missile platform.
Vulture is absolutely useless crap.
So what about railguns for Caldari?
zixx, seems u never pvp, huh ?
anyway, sux to be you :)
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Montero
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.10.12 16:38:00 -
[110]
hey look the OP is a ****wit
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Tom Star
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Posted - 2006.10.12 17:37:00 -
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"3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus)"
Again. Nighthawk was total crap before patch, nighthawk will be WORST command ship after patch. WORST! It still lacks raw dps.
Cerberus is missile boat and "missile boats suck at pvp most of the time."
How does 25% more dps to the Night Hawk make it the "WORST"?
It will then be tanked as a rock, have better dps than a cerb (same dmg bonuses +1 launcher) and still be able to kill smaller ships, although not if they move really really fast.
Only thing the NH will be worse at than the cerb will be range.
I just can't wait 
(I think that post alone is proof enough that Zixxa has no idea what he/she/it is talking about)
And the rokh is a pleasant new ship for those of us that are tired of flinging phallic symbols at others , but like shield tanking.
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:38:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Irrilian
How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven?
Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay.
Please, no joking.
Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel
Moa is crap. Get Caracal.
Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus.
Ferox is usually missile platform.
Vulture is absolutely useless crap.
So what about railguns for Caldari?
Well,...
English is Crap. Get english lessons. 
This thread is a pitiful waste of space
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2006.10.12 19:10:00 -
[113]
Hey, I got 12m sp in general and hybrid gunnery. I also got some of caldari BS lvl 5 trained.
Do I have a point? Nah, I just wanted to rub it in a bit.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.12 21:32:00 -
[114]
please give it a drone bay so my skills are not totally wasted
12.9mill sp gunnery (hybrid and lasers)
13.2mill sp missiles
7.8mill sp drones
caldari bs 5
amarr bs 5
gallenti bs 5
now i will be able to have a cheap fleet setup using 350mm ll's with spike and still get over 200km takes about 100mill off the cost of fitting a fleet BS so i am happy
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Waragha
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.12 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell
What are you talking about ?
As a Caldari with more skillpoints in rails than in missiles, and after looking really long and hard at the Caldari ships, I can say a Tier-3 rail-BS for the Caldari race is not out of place, we have a mix of rails, missile and ECM ships at every level except at the BS one ...
Also, if missiles are becoming pure crap, why do we see so many missile boats around, and even a few RAIL ships (Ferox ...) with missile setups ?
Maybe because they are good, even a bit too good considering the skillpoints needed to be effictive with missiles ?
qf truth and trinity
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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SmokeMeAKipper
System-Lords
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Posted - 2006.10.12 22:21:00 -
[116]
lol at stupid OP
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: SmokeMeAKipper
lol at stupid OP
QFT, no offense to the OP
Gloria Stitz-
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Gary Goat
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.13 02:59:00 -
[118]
Every race has 2 weapon types. I fly gallente ships and i had 2 choices, invest my skillpoints in hybrids or drones. I chose hybrids so i cant fly ships like the dominix, ishtar, vexor or ishkur to there full potential. If i wanted to fly these ships to there full potential i'd have to invest 3-5 mill in drone skills to get T2 heavy drones. Same goes for the caldari ships. If you want to use all of your races ships to there potential you have to train hybrids as well. Its nobody's fault but your own if you've only trained missiles and you have no right to whine about it.
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Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh.
Yeah but the gallente pilots also spent 90/100 days training for large hybrids. What were you training? If an above average gallente pilot wanted to fly a raven then they would have to spend months training for missiles.
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Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel
Moa is crap. Get Caracal.
Eagle is worst HAC in the game
Riiight.... Merlin is one of the best t2 frigs in game and will easily beat a kessie if you know what you're doing. Cant coment on the moa/caracal cos i havent flown them enough but the eagle is not one of the worst hacs. Its an excellent sniper ship and is better then a deimos when fitted with blasters. (before upcoming changes at least)
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Flabida jaba
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Posted - 2006.10.13 04:38:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Gary Goat
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Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel
Moa is crap. Get Caracal.
Eagle is worst HAC in the game
Riiight.... Merlin is one of the best t2 frigs in game and will easily beat a kessie if you know what you're doing. Cant coment on the moa/caracal cos i havent flown them enough but the eagle is not one of the worst hacs. Its an excellent sniper ship and is better then a deimos when fitted with blasters. (before upcoming changes at least)
the merlin is a T2 frig???? right. (And its a split weapon system "2 launchers, 2 turrets)
and while I disagree with the OP on the Rokh issue (its gona be awesome for caldari piolets)
I do agree pound for pound Caldari railboats just Suck at PvP
Slow , low Dps, mid slot tanked, snipers.
where practicly all PvP mods are mid slot mods
and to stop anyone warping away you have to be under 20k's !!!!!!!
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.13 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 13/10/2006 04:55:56
Edited by: keepiru on 13/10/2006 04:53:51
2 is right next to 1, so thats certainly a typo.
As far as the merlin, its a good t1 frig, the harpy is a good AF considering the whole class is generally pretty sucky...
The problem with the Eagle/Moa is common to *ALL* sniping cruisers, and the reason why the Muninn (which in theory is an artillery platform, soon-to-be-resolved grid issues aside) is most often used with Autos - cruisers dont have the DPS to kill stuff before it warps, and so sniping cruisers are inherently unsuited to antyhing but fleet support, and then it becomes tricky because they die so fast. Unless, that is, camping gates to kill frigates is something you consider a worthwile past-time.
Its also the reason why amarr cruisers are suffering right now - since the DPS and tracking of the guns got toned down a bit to be more inline with what a "midrange" gun should do, and the stacking nerf, ganking laser cruisers dont cut the butter as well as they used to, bringing to light all the weaknesses that were hidden before - when your advantage lies outside web range, cruisers end up sucking. It starts working again on Command Ships, but thats because field CCs do BS-level damage.
The Rokh on the other hand, while it wont have the zomgawesome alphastrike of minnie BS, or the dps of the sniperthron, will make a pretty good sniper thanks to the range it can hit at. The range bonus would be more useful if it wasnt for the equalizer hat is T2 ammo tho...
Certainly, itll be a much better fleet ship than the raven, one area where many caldari pilots feel their race is sorely lacking. Thankfully (or not, depending on how biased you are) unbonused EW doesent work at 425mm II + 50% range bonus + Spike ranges...
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