EVE Search - No tier 3 BS for Caldari? Why, dear Tuxford?

All Channels

Ships and Modules

No tier 3 BS for Caldari? Why, dear Tuxford?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:45:00 - [1] Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all. Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO? Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:54:00 - [2] Edited by: Waut on 12/10/2006 09:55:48 What the hell are you smoking Didn't you get the memo that Caldari use hybrid guns as well? Outbreak! F* Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf*ing day yeah! In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:55:00 - [3] Railguns were the "native caldari weapon" long before missiles were changed about so they could start to be a primary weapon system. Likewise there have always been hybrid based caldari ships (Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox) If you trained solely for missiles you already have a good ship in the Raven, the Rokh is for those who have been wanting a caldari railgun battleship for the last three years. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Amphira The Golden Goose	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:56:00 - [4] Forgive me if i am wrong, but isnt the Railguns actually a part of the Caldari weaponry? Even if you've chosen not to train for it? hintmerlin,moa,ferox,whateverthedestroyerisnamedhint
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:56:00 - [5] What are you talking about ? As a Caldari with more skillpoints in rails than in missiles, and after looking really long and hard at the Caldari ships, I can say a Tier-3 rail-BS for the Caldari race is not out of place, we have a mix of rails, missile and ECM ships at every level except at the BS one ... Also, if missiles are becoming pure crap, why do we see so many missile boats around, and even a few RAIL ships (Ferox ...) with missile setups ? Maybe because they are good, even a bit too good considering the skillpoints needed to be effictive with missiles ?
Irrilian Eve University	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:59:00 - [6] How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:00:00 - [7] I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:04:00 - [8] Return to reality, dudes. It is not story about Eve world history. Railgun is Caldari weapon only theoretically. They do not have GOOD railgun ships. No BS, Ferox is used as missile boat(surprise, surprise), commands, Moa is just suxx. Only exception - Harpy. Who will train full LARGE railgun branch to fly Harpy? Only full idiot. So, all Caldari with brain are specializing only in missiles. It is ONLY RELIABLE weapon for Caldari. Now Tux gives to these pilots tier 3 BS with railgun weapon. Thank you, Tux, but mor honest is to put this ship to Gallente, because Gallente will have now TWO tier3 BS: one for short range, second for sniping. Just wonderful. P.S. Go-go to marker to buy Gallente char!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:04:00 - [9] <whisper>detaurus?</whisper> :o ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:05:00 - [10] Yes, definitely Detaurus... surely there cannot be 2 people like this in the world? Hold me, I'm scared... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. [b]Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game) So all those gallente characters with Gall. BS 5 are gonna switch over? No. In its current state (unconfirmed bonuses iirc) it does less damage than the thron for a pointless optimal boost, I mean, with a standard T2 snipe setup, most people have an optimal of 203 or 211km with 30k falloff - that's higher than all the other long range BS guns in the game. Unless you like sniping 1v1 (with crap damage, no less), the rokh is pointless. Long live the thron Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Beringe I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). For what hell they need railgun ship? But Gallente will be absolutely happy. So good addition to their park of excellent ships. And no efforts to learn ew skills. At the end Caldari BS up to 4 is not problem.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:14:00 - [13] I have a clue BPO I'd like to shift... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari?
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:22:00 - [15] You really think gallente have it easier? You seem to be forgetting the fact that caldari almost have totally seperate ships for rails. Most of the gallente t1 ships are dual purpose, gaining damage from both hybrids and drones and as such require more skills to use effectively. As caldari, you can simply train missiles (which, btw, take much less time to train to t2 large than the guns do), and fly all the caldari missile ships. Not our problem you decided to ignore your second (actually, your first) weapons platform in favour of the more effective one - it's like a gallente pilot complaining because he didn't train drones and now wants to fly a dominix Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:25:00 - [16] This is the logical next step. Follow this red thread: Frig -> Cruiser -> Battleship Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion (ecm, Tier 1) Kestrel -> Caracal -> Raven (missiles, Tier 2) Merlin -> Moa -> Rokh (rails, Tier 3) Mhm? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes It contains my ingame name and corp ticker - Serj
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:26:00 - [17] So you want another Raven, but better?
Tommy Vercetti Minmatar Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:26:00 - [18] Trade you the maelstrom for the rokh then? Originally by: Murukan It's like really you ***** , it also out damages my tempest so maybe i shouldn't saunter up to the thron at 2km like i'm ready to * it's **.
Amphira The Golden Goose	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari? You are saying all these ships are crap, heh care to back up your statements, or are they crap because you can't figure out how to use them? Now, if you actually trained up your gunnery skills a little higher than Small Hybrid lvl 1 you might actually come to find out that rails, on certain caldari ships aint so frikkin bad as you claim. Ofcourse, you would need an IQ of atleast 35+ to actually understand how to use them though.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:28:00 - [20] One minor point you seem to have missed out. The Rokh is a shield tanker - and Gallente pilots tend to have better armour tanking skills than shield tanking skills, unlike Caldari pilots. Max --------------------
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Amphira Now, if you actually trained up your gunnery skills a little higher than Small Hybrid lvl 1 you might actually come to find out that rails, on certain caldari ships aint so frikkin bad as you claim. Ofcourse, you would need an IQ of atleast 35+ to actually understand how to use them though. I guess he / she isnt able to fit 250mm II with Spike on an Eagle with Med Hybrid 1 ... yup, Caldari rail boats are bad Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Tehra Neru	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:34:00 - [22] It's so laughable seeing people complaine about ships. "Moa is crap bla bla bla, get caracal becouse it has missiles" ** missiles i say, missiles are so lame and easy to use it's not even funny. Children are complaining becouse they somehow got killed in a Moa and couldn't destroy the enemy ship so they have to get a caracal and stay 50km from them. And let's not even talk about Raven, it's the most **tiest ship out there that has ever existed. Press i win button from 1-8 and the enemy is dead.. hurraay!!! Look mommy i killed him with my missiles. It's not the ships fault, it's the players
CKmobster Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:37:00 - [23] It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r! Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Actually was awarded best ship on one of EvE tournaments. I have friends flying this thing, both PvP and PvE. As far as Rail vs. Missiles... Yes, I'm a Caldari Pilot, yes, I got most my SP's in missiles, but Caldari need a Railgun BS. Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". If you have missiles incomming, you just warp out, and warp back in :D As for the Scorpion, not realy worth to try making this a rail boat, as you gonna be called primary before you can say COOKIE, cause they expect you to be loaded with nast EW, and nobody likes EW on the other side of the field. So even tho I can't use Rails worth a damn, I'm happy that those who can get the ship they been waiting for!
Flash Landsraad Nexus Legion Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Flash Landsraad on 12/10/2006 10:38:47 Originally by: Zixxa Return to reality, dudes. It is not story about Eve world history. Railgun is Caldari weapon only theoretically. Erm, no. Plenty of Caldari ships use rails, there's no theory about it; 100% FACT. Originally by: Zixxa They do not have GOOD railgun ships. No BS, Ferox is used as missile boat(surprise, surprise), commands, Moa is just suxx. Only exception - Harpy. Who will train full LARGE railgun branch to fly Harpy? Only full idiot. You're right there is no rail BS, that's why we're getting one . I use the ferox as a rail platform quite often sucessfully. It's basically a 1/5th price Eagle with 2/3 of the range but same damage output... The Harpy is arguably one of the best assaul frigates. The moa makes a nice cheap rail platform for support damage in gangs. Originally by: Zixxa So, all Caldari with brain are specializing only in missiles. It is ONLY RELIABLE weapon for Caldari. Well no...rail guns are extremely reliable on Caldari rail ships. Such as the new tier 3 BS for example. Originally by: Zixxa Now Tux gives to these pilots tier 3 BS with railgun weapon. Thank you, Tux, but mor honest is to put this ship to Gallente, because Gallente will have now TWO tier3 BS: one for short range, second for sniping. Just wonderful. Yes a lot of Gallente players will be able to train BS to 4 quickly and have a good sniper platform. But a lot of Gallente players use blasters since this is what Gallente ships are designed for. A lot of Gallente ships lack the powergrid to fit rails effectively, and therefore a lot of Gallente players wont have T2 rail skills trained. Originally by: Zixxa P.S. Go-go to marker to buy Gallente char! Immature. Signature removed due to lack of Eve-related content. -Ivan K Fair enough Ivan, sorry :( - Flash
CKmobster Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Serj Darek This is the logical next step. Follow this red thread: Frig -> Cruiser -> Battleship Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion (ecm, Tier 1) Kestrel -> Caracal -> Raven (missiles, Tier 2) Merlin -> Moa -> Rokh (rails, Tier 3) Mhm? Just whanted to add... nice post :D brings us the picture :D
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Zixxa And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). says the missionrunner in jita to the newbie. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:43:00 - [27] To the OP: #1, post with your main. #2, someone call the waAAAMMMMBULANCE Because I said so...
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Beringe I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). For what hell they need railgun ship? But Gallente will be absolutely happy. So good addition to their park of excellent ships. And no efforts to learn ew skills. At the end Caldari BS up to 4 is not problem. You're an idiot. Your opinions on ships' worth are laughable. Rokh, if anything, is terribly overpowered. There's no such rule. You're an idiot. There, I think I covered all the bases with this reply. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:48:00 - [29] Well, first of all it's an ugly box design, typical for Caldari. To say it's Gallente is a gross insult to all Gallente. Second of all, it does go on Caldari Battleship skill. And to fly it properly you need it at at least 4, if you haven't got any pride, that is. But let's examine how long this will take to train... Caldari Frig about 2 days, Caldari Cruiser about 5 days, and Caldari Battleship 8 days for a grand total of... 15 days. A bit above Zixxa's estimate of 10 days for sure. Now, let's examine how long it takes a Caldari pilot to train for it. Large Hybrid Turret to 5 takes about 25 days. Any respectable Caldari pilot will have Med Rail Spec 4 with Sharpshooting 5 already. So, it'll take a Caldari pilot about 10 more days than a Gallente pilot. Right. But Kali isn't due for another 25 or so days, so let's examine that for when Kali is released instead. Gallente 15 days or more(), cause we don't really want to fly that ugly sod Caldari already done cause any selfrespecting Caldari pilot with ambition to fly it will have his skills ready. As for missile ships being crap, well I'm sorry if you don't want to train skills to max and then think a bit outside the box. () Seriously, aside from Pottsey, do you think a Gallente pilot has his shield skills maxed out? - Three years old
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Sorja on 12/10/2006 10:52:11 Originally by: CKmobster Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Actually was awarded best ship on one of EvE tournaments. I have friends flying this thing, both PvP and PvE. Yes, the Eagle sux, it's hands down the worst HAC and isn't even impressive as a sniper (and I've been on both sides of the fence with this). It was once good in a tournament because of... crystal implants. It's easy to fix though, like the Moa, it only needs a 5th turret slot. The only decent gunship for Caldari is the Harpy. I have large rails speceialized (and large blasters too...) so I hope Tux doesn't screw the Rokh. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Lt Angus Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:54:00 - [31] real caldari use rails
Xaarist FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:58:00 - [32] Edited by: Xaarist on 12/10/2006 10:58:40 now look what happens when people without a clue start posting on eve-o. 1st. 90-110 days, how do you get that number? roll the dice? i know what you meant, starting from 150k in gunnery to large railgun specialization and every gunnery skill at level 4 or 5. then - if you draw that comparison, add the shield tanking and missile skills to the gallente skilltree, too. 2nd. the average caldari pilot you are talking about is obviously you. you define average by looking at your skilltree. poor guy. many people have very good gunnery skills although they are caldari, since missile boats suck at pvp most of the time. 3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus) 4th. all caldari railboats are the best long range ships of their class. you hear that? best long range ships in their class in terms of range. it is only normal that they get the highest range BS as well. 5th. stop the whining because you didn't want it. i bet 80% of the caldari pilots out there had exactly the rokh on their personal wishlist. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:14:00 - [33] damn noob.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:16:00 - [34] This is actually one of the worst topics ive seen in a long time. Its clearly meant to be provocative not only to Tuxford but the entire playerbase, and all the thread really does is show people how completely ignorant caldari pilots can be. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:18:00 - [35] Last I knew it took less than 10 days to train up to large hybrid turrets and decent support skills. All you need is gunnery 5 and lvl3 in the other skills to be able to properly use them. You know you don't HAVE to use T2 or have everything at lvl5... Imho specialization and smart are mutually exclusive. If you train something like cruise spec 5 before large hybrid turret 1, your training is extremely inefficient. Don't blame the game for your own bad choices. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:24:00 - [36] I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I. Yes, my gunnery skills are that bad. No, that's fine, now I've got a BS grade rail platform, I'm a happy happy bunny. Especially with it's shield resists. I was actually expecting it not to get 8 turrets, and even with a 6/4 turret/missile split, I'd have been happy. I focussed on missiles, because there was no caldari rail battleship. Now there is. IMO it's 'about right' in terms of potential. Extremely long range (so longer anti-matter optimals) and a good solid tank. And looks cool.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Wotar So you want another Raven, but better? Nope. It will be not fair.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Xaarist Edited by: Xaarist on 12/10/2006 10:58:40 now look what happens when people without a clue start posting on eve-o. 1st. 90-110 days, how do you get that number? roll the dice? Try to guess. Quote: i know what you meant, starting from 150k in gunnery to large railgun specialization and every gunnery skill at level 4 or 5. then - if you draw that comparison, add the shield tanking and missile skills to the gallente skilltree, too. For shield tanking required at most 600k skills. But Rokh could fly without shield tank. Just deadly ECM/armour tanked. Quote: 2nd. the average caldari pilot you are talking about is obviously you. you define average by looking at your skilltree. poor guy. many people have very good gunnery skills although they are caldari, since missile boats suck at pvp most of the time. Truth. Missile boat sucks in PvP. So, you are agree, that Rokh is not Caldari, but for the Gallente. Quote: 3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus) Again. Nighthawk was total crap before patch, nighthawk will be WORST command ship after patch. WORST! It still lacks raw dps. Cerberus is missile boat and "missile boats suck at pvp most of the time." Quote: 5th. stop the whining because you didn't want it. i bet 80% of the caldari pilots out there had exactly the rokh on their personal wishlist. Not real Caldari, but Gallente-oriented.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:36:00 - [39] the tier 3 bs is not for caldari, its a good ship for other races to skill for as 2e race ship . like im gallante and i fly gallante battle ships but also caldari battle ships. the caldari battle ship pilots are *** but i dont realy care since im a capital ship pilot from now on. ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:36:00 - [40] Originally by: James Lyrus I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I. Gallente get your Rokh almost immediately. For you I propose to traing Projectile - almost the same amount of time and you will get funny minma BS(including tier3). There is no big difference for what run Rokh, or any other tier3 BS
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:39:00 - [41] I am SHOCKED and APPALED by the ignorance in this post. see jim? I told ya that stupidity runs wild here. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all. Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO? Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven. What? No really, what? Because *YOU* didn't train hybrid skills you're now whining about the Rokh? Would you want an even better Raven? For missiles, our Tier2 BS is top of the line, maybe even over the top. The Raven is at the very top of the food chain, only few current BS can rival it in a straight 1on1 and she's the undisputed queen of PvE. You want something even better?? Bah. Don't get me wrong, I'm heavily missile specced as well, but I'm really looking forward to the Drake (missileboat btw, Caldari are Rails AND Missiles and we get ONE of each with kali) and the Rokh. So I need to work on my gunnery skills fow a while... so? I'm currently also training for Minnie BS and projectiles, because I think Minnie ships are fun to fly. Noone forces me, I just train what I want to. Don't like hybrids? Don't like the new BS? Then simply don't train for it and don't use it. Btw, the other races BS are hardly gonna be 'overpowered', they wont shove the Raven in a dark corner in PvP. The Raven will still have a role and will still be powerful. Look at the current Tier1 BS, they still have roles, they're still flown and they can still go head to head with a Tier2 BS without being downright demolished. Originally by: Zixxa Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari? Merlin rocks. Moa rocks. Eagle, can't comment, never flown. Ferox downright rocks with whatever you slap on it. It's mostly used as a missile platform because launchers use less grid which in turn allows for an awesome tank. Vulture is a fleet command ship. It's not built to dish out, but to field gang mods and take a beating. And from the few I've seen in action so far I'd say the Vulture does her job pretty damn well. Yes, all Caldari Railboats are currently a bit underpowered and could use at least 1 more turret hardpoint to give them a little more damage output, but to say they suck is just a plain lie. Look, for example, at the tank the railboats can field? Yeah, Caracal is nice and all, but a Moa can outtank it any day. Oh, the Moa can also reach weapon ranges in *excess of 150km* with the correct setup and T2 rails. Yes, it wont hit hard, but it's cheap, faster than a sniper BS and has a faster lock time. Railboats aren't the easy way, and for PvE I've found them more often than not lacking, but they certainly don't suck.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:44:00 - [43] Originally by: CKmobster It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r! Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
The M'hael	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:46:00 - [44] Sorry to interrupt such a fun argument, but where are people finding such detailed information on the new battleships/battlecruisers? I've skimmed dev blogs that say they're coming, they'll be in this month, they'll be in next month when we fix the server, etc, etc, but never any hard details. And some of you sound like you've actually seen the thing. O_o
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:46:00 - [45] 120km range on a harpy? thats crap? almost instant frig pop? there is already a missile battleship and an ecm battleship... caldari is the railgun race... not gallente we are the blaster/ drones race... sorry to tell you this zizza but your arguing a crap with no backup atall.. atleast get your facts striaght before you make negative comments... and i stick to my words... damn noob.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:48:00 - [46] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: James Lyrus I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I. Gallente get your Rokh almost immediately. For you I propose to traing Projectile - almost the same amount of time and you will get funny minma BS(including tier3). There is no big difference for what run Rokh, or any other tier3 BS can you even afford a rohk?(betting about 200 mil new) have your balls dropped yet? have you relised that the rohk follows a line of caldari ships which make excellente gun platforms...? you whine now but once you get the 220km ranged rohk you wont.
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: CKmobster It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r! Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Never talk about Caldari being skill heavy and Minmatar having it easy in a single post. Look at their Typhoon, needing missile, gunnery and drone skills. Then their BS are also split in armor AND shield tanks. Please, just stop complaining, be happy you get the Drake and ignore the Rokh.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Disco Flint Merlin rocks. Moa rocks. Ferox downright rocks with whatever you slap on it. It's mostly used as a missile platform because launchers use less grid which in turn allows for an awesome tank. What a deep knowledeg! Write more, dude. What else rocks? May Bantam? Originally by: Disco Flint Yes, all Caldari Railboats are currently a bit underpowered.Oh, the Moa can also reach weapon ranges in *excess of 150km* with the correct setup and T2 rails. Yes, it wont hit hard, but it's cheap, faster than a sniper BS and has a faster lock time. Yes, our sniping cruiser cannot kill anybody(even indus), but it can shot at 150 km. Really great cruiser.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:51:00 - [49] Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster? I hate to break it to you, but every ship is for every player, regardless of race. If your training is too focused, thats your fault, not the game's or the devs'. Narrowmindedness 4tl. The only real argument that might count is that there will be three market battleships for hybrid users while there is really only one for missile users. But imho the fix for that is not making the CNR obsolete with a missile-Rokh, but to give the Typhoon 5 or 6 missile slots. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Zixxa To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Just wrong. I can be good as a Caldari Pilot without a Raven (I've not owned one for the past 10 months). When I had a Raven, I was good in it with less than a million of SPs in missiles (but much more than that in Engineering, shield skills). A time investment in skills is never useless, nor obsolete. Granted, I don't do any PvP (I find that more boring than mining), I'm a mission runner, high sec based carebear that hasn't a clue about fleet combat, but I've learned a few things, among others that DPS is not the only factor in PvP ... tactics, teamplay and such play a bigger role than raw DPS.
Johnny Bravo Gallente Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Zixxa Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Crappy comment. Period. IF the theoretical DPS was as important as you say, then Dominix wouldn't be the king of PvP. Then Raven wouldn't be unbeatable close to mid range BS. Then Scorpion wouldnt be called primary every time. And crow wouldnt be so popular.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster? Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small. Quote: I hate to break it to you, but every ship is for every player, regardless of race. If your training is too focused, thats your fault, not the game's or the devs'. Narrowmindedness 4tl. Nope. The only choice for average pilot and noobs in eve is deep specialization in one direction to be competitive with vets.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:56:00 - [53] Originally by: The M'hael Sorry to interrupt such a fun argument, but where are people finding such detailed information on the new battleships/battlecruisers? I've skimmed dev blogs that say they're coming, they'll be in this month, they'll be in next month when we fix the server, etc, etc, but never any hard details. And some of you sound like you've actually seen the thing. O_o its been announced they said 10% range bonus 8 gunslots (i think) and sheild resistances
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Leandro Salazar Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster? Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small. how the hell do you know that have you been out witha clipboard and pen? you dont know what your talking about now stop arguing your shiist argument you damn noob.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 - [55] Originally by: Zixxa Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small. Oh my. Yes, no Gallentean flies the Dominix. You really are completely out of touch with reality, aren't you?
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 - [56] Quote: Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Do you realize that the Rokhs optimal bonus will allow you to shoot at current fleet ranges even with T1 ammo? Giving you an entry into fleet battles at extremely low skillpoints? But I guess in your DPS-obsession that does not matter. DPS = win. Yeah, sure. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Zixxa <snip> To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Why, is the Raven going somewhere? --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Johnny Bravo Originally by: Zixxa Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Crappy comment. Period. IF the theoretical DPS was as important as you say, then Dominix wouldn't be the king of PvP. Then Raven wouldn't be unbeatable close to mid range BS. Then Scorpion wouldnt be called primary every time. And crow wouldnt be so popular. Read more. Period. We are speaking about Eagle. Heavy Assault. We are speaking about killing/ Scorpion cannot kill because lack of dps. But Scorpion can only die to save the gang/fleet. Crow is popular because most noobs are Caldari and it is easy to catch inter. Taranis is much more effective.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:02:00 - [59] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 12/10/2006 12:01:59 Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. not true - train ECM skills up and use a scorpion in fleet. uh oh guess what?? your FC WILL love you for flying a scorpion (or he's a n00b) - you can kill support with cruise missiles while your jammers shut down the hostile BS. it doesn't matter if a ship is tier1 tier2 or tier3 ... sometimes it even doesn't matter if it's T2 or not ... only important thing is - can it get the job done? ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:05:00 - [60] So, who thinks Raven wont kill the Rohk? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:05:00 - [61] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 12/10/2006 11:58:27 Quote: Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Do you realize that the Rokhs optimal bonus will allow you to shoot at current fleet ranges even with T1 ammo? Giving you an entry into fleet battles at extremely low skillpoints? But I guess in your DPS-obsession that does not matter. DPS = win. Yeah, sure. Excuse me, Sir. How your statements change the facts: 1. Millions of missile skillpoints are useless and obsolete with Rokh 2. To get Rokh Caldari needs more than three months of training. 3. Gallente will enter fleet battle on t2 equipped Rokh, but Caldari t1. Quote: Quote: Nope. The only choice for average pilot and noobs in eve is deep specialization in one direction to be competitive with vets. If you believe that, you have lost EVE. I am a living example of the opposite. I do not believe in this, it is Eve fundamentals.
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Disco Flint Merlin rocks. Moa rocks. Ferox downright rocks with whatever you slap on it. It's mostly used as a missile platform because launchers use less grid which in turn allows for an awesome tank. What a deep knowledeg! Write more, dude. What else rocks? May Bantam? "Dude", I backed up my points as well as you did, but ok, here goes. Merlin makes an excellent heavy tackler that just wont die. With built in resistances and a good slot layout it's definetly a great ship to have in the gang. For the Moa, see below, and for the Ferox... seriously, everyone knows it's a real fitting friendly ship, whatever you put on it, however stupid it may be on other ships, on the Ferox it'll just work. Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Disco Flint Yes, all Caldari Railboats are currently a bit underpowered.Oh, the Moa can also reach weapon ranges in *excess of 150km* with the correct setup and T2 rails. Yes, it wont hit hard, but it's cheap, faster than a sniper BS and has a faster lock time. Yes, our sniping cruiser cannot kill anybody(even indus), but it can shot at 150 km. Really great cruiser. 480 damage per salvo, every 3.5 seconds at 152km optimal. Two of those at a gate will pop every frig and every industrial. And that for about 25m total investement for two sniper Moas compared to a Sniper BS 150-200m. Obviously, this ship must suck. Yes, in a straight one vs one the Moa often is clearly underpowered because it doesn't have a damage bonus and because it has too few turret hardpoints. That however doesn't mean it doesn't have a role. ALL Caldari ships are pretty sucky when it comes to solo PvP (if you ignore ECM) since they have to sacrifice tank for tackling, since they're all slow and as agile as a pregnant cow. Still doesn't mean they suck, they just perform other roles than the standard 'MWD in range, web, scram and pound away'.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:09:00 - [63] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 12/10/2006 12:01:59 Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. not true - train ECM skills up and use a scorpion in fleet. uh oh guess what?? your FC WILL love you for flying a scorpion (or he's a n00b) - you can kill support with cruise missiles while your jammers shut down the hostile BS. Yes, also train for BBird and fly in fleet. To be good as caldari you have to fly Raven. And even with raven and maxed missile skills you rather has no chance to be good in fleet battle. But you will rock in small gang pvp.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 12/10/2006 12:01:59 Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. not true - train ECM skills up and use a scorpion in fleet. uh oh guess what?? your FC WILL love you for flying a scorpion (or he's a n00b) - you can kill support with cruise missiles while your jammers shut down the hostile BS. it doesn't matter if a ship is tier1 tier2 or tier3 ... sometimes it even doesn't matter if it's T2 or not ... only important thing is - can it get the job done? im jealous i want a rohk:(
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 12/10/2006 11:58:27 Quote: Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Do you realize that the Rokhs optimal bonus will allow you to shoot at current fleet ranges even with T1 ammo? Giving you an entry into fleet battles at extremely low skillpoints? But I guess in your DPS-obsession that does not matter. DPS = win. Yeah, sure. Excuse me, Sir. How your statements change the facts: 1. Millions of missile skillpoints are useless and obsolete with Rokh 2. To get Rokh Caldari needs more than three months of training. 3. Gallente will enter fleet battle on t2 equipped Rokh, but Caldari t1. Quote: Quote: Nope. The only choice for average pilot and noobs in eve is deep specialization in one direction to be competitive with vets. If you believe that, you have lost EVE. I am a living example of the opposite. I do not believe in this, it is Eve fundamentals. lol because somthing isnt put in your lap you want to moan about it? oh no my 5 mil sp in gunnery are wasted on the teir 2 battlecruiser... oh wait il train my drone skills!... 10 days later... oh i can use t2 smalls and mediums... with lvl 3 on more than 6 skills... why dont you just stick with the raven huh? answer the question noob.
Tehra Neru	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:17:00 - [66] Quote: To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. That is the most stupidest thing i've ever heard. That was exactly what i thought from the beginning when i saw the OP, typical "childrens raven i win button ship ftw" How can there be such retards.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Disco Flint "Dude", I backed up my points as well as you did, but ok, here goes. Merlin makes an excellent heavy tackler that just wont die. Noobie, forget about heavy tacklers. And, please, try to move your noobie ass outside of high sec. To get some lessons about tackling. Quote: For the Moa, see below, and for the Ferox... seriously, everyone knows it's a real fitting friendly ship, Yea. And only real purpose of Ferox is 3-rd lvl agentrunning in afk mode. Oh, no, it also may scare noobie pirate. Tbh, there is yet another reliable fit... Yes, you guessed. It is ECM fit! Quote: ALL Caldari ships are pretty sucky when it comes to solo PvP (if you ignore ECM) since they have to sacrifice tank for tackling, since they're all slow and as agile as a pregnant cow./quote] lol. But who except imper carebears and i-wanna-be-yarr care about solo PvP?
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:19:00 - [68] Originally by: Tehra Neru Quote: To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. That is the most stupidest thing i've ever heard. That was exactly what i thought from the beginning when i saw the OP, typical "childrens raven i win button ship ftw" How can there be such retards. i dont think he knows much about his own race lol
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:20:00 - [69] this topic went south when you posted Originally by: Zixxa Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. and Originally by: Zixxa Yes, also train for BBird and fly in fleet. To be good as caldari you have to fly Raven. And even with raven and maxed missile skills you rather has no chance to be good in fleet battle. But you will rock in small gang pvp. oh... dps is ALL that matters in PVP... then I must say that the stilleto sucks the most at pvp... oh and yeah going in a raven in small gangs. ...pretty **** ship to use there tbh. cerebrus is much better. and I loved that comment about "to be good as caldari" lol. oh and btw: scorp > bb. ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Zixxa Excuse me, Sir. How your statements change the facts: 1. Millions of missile skillpoints are useless and obsolete with Rokh. Useless when you're inside a Rokh, yes. As when you're in a shuttle, too. Obsolete ? Hardly. Quote: 2. To get Rokh Caldari needs more than three months of training. I'll need all of 10 seconds to click buy on the Market before climbing in a Rokh, Caldari BS at 3 is really fast to do, and all the new players rush to BS level anyway. Now, flying it competently is another matter, but you don't need T2 guns to fly a ship, with Large Hybrid 3 and support skills at 3, something that takes maybe a couple of weeks, it will be good enough ... and will not need more than three months of training. Quote: 3. Gallente will enter fleet battle on t2 equipped Rokh, but Caldari t1. I highly doubt that, since they are already in T2 fitted Dominixes and Megathrons, that work pretty well, why would they cross-train to another tanking method just to have a range advantage while losing a damage advantage ? Quote: I do not believe in this, it is Eve fundamentals. Nope, fundamentally wrong. Specialization is a myth spawned by the e-peen factor. I have 33 millions of skillpoints, I'm not specialized, I can fly on every T1 ship except the Capital Ships plus a few T2 ships too, skills at 3 in every weapon systems (again, with a few skills at 5 for a few specs), and guess what ? I'm having FUN. Of course, if all you see in this game is the competition, and if that is your idea of fun, we'll have to agree to disagree ...
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:23:00 - [71] Originally by: XGS Crimson lol because somthing isnt put in your lap you want to moan about it? No, it is fact. Highly specialized raven pilot(about one year or even less) is costs the same as vet with 30+kk skills separated in Amarr/Gallente/industry. Not such versatile, but costs the same. It is basement of Eve, dude.
Dues Incarnine	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:24:00 - [72] Can i have ur stuff?
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Disco Flint "Dude", I backed up my points as well as you did, but ok, here goes. Merlin makes an excellent heavy tackler that just wont die. Noobie, forget about heavy tacklers. And, please, try to move your noobie ass outside of high sec. To get some lessons about tackling. Quote: For the Moa, see below, and for the Ferox... seriously, everyone knows it's a real fitting friendly ship, Yea. And only real purpose of Ferox is 3-rd lvl agentrunning in afk mode. Oh, no, it also may scare noobie pirate. Tbh, there is yet another reliable fit... Yes, you guessed. It is ECM fit! Quote: ALL Caldari ships are pretty sucky when it comes to solo PvP (if you ignore ECM) since they have to sacrifice tank for tackling, since they're all slow and as agile as a pregnant cow. lol. But who except imper carebears and i-wanna-be-yarr care about solo PvP? Fixed your quote. And... what? Now that you're running out of points to back up your claims I obviously have to be a highsec hugger, more even, a noobie? Thanks, you're a real gem.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:25:00 - [74] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: XGS Crimson lol because somthing isnt put in your lap you want to moan about it? No, it is fact. Highly specialized raven pilot(about one year or even less) is costs the same as vet with 30+kk skills separated in Amarr/Gallente/industry. Not such versatile, but costs the same. It is basement of Eve, dude. im guna start a whine about the new gallente bs not using drones.. becuase im not trained for it...
Tehra Neru	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Grimpak this topic went south when you posted Originally by: Zixxa Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. and Originally by: Zixxa Yes, also train for BBird and fly in fleet. To be good as caldari you have to fly Raven. And even with raven and maxed missile skills you rather has no chance to be good in fleet battle. But you will rock in small gang pvp. oh... dps is ALL that matters in PVP... then I must say that the stilleto sucks the most at pvp... oh and yeah going in a raven in small gangs. ...pretty ****** ship to use there tbh. cerebrus is much better. and I loved that comment about "to be good as caldari" lol. oh and btw: scorp > bb. Exactly what i was gonna say too but.. meeh. Gotta love these folks who rely on dps all the time.. i guess they even have an extra PC with a online calculator to determ how much you will dish out in the upcoming battle. "noooo i will only do xxx.xxx of damage.. omgz"
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:27:00 - [76] Quote: Excuse me, Sir. How your statements change the facts: 1. Millions of missile skillpoints are useless and obsolete with Rokh 2. To get Rokh Caldari needs more than three months of training. 3. Gallente will enter fleet battle on t2 equipped Rokh, but Caldari t1. 1. I certainy will still use mine on my Raven for missions and small gang work. How does the Rokh make them useless and obsolete? 2. No it does not, read a few posts up... 3. Still better than entering fleet battles in a Raven I think... Quote: I do not believe in this, it is Eve fundamentals. Oh yes? I know a few more 'EVE-fundamentals': 1. You need 10 million SP to even begin to think about PvP 2. NPCs never scramble for more than 1 point. 3. Every lowsec system is camped by cutthroats and you will never make it in and out alive. 4. You need lvl5 in every relevant skill to be even remotely effective 5. There is an 'n' in turret 6. All devs have alts in BoB --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:27:00 - [77] haha funny:D puts his calculator away
Maritz Gallente WarpCorp	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:28:00 - [78] Hi. Hate to point out the obvious - but Zixxa is a troll and although many people are making many fine counterpoints, they're wasting their time, sadly. Some people never listen. Very well... Give him CAKE
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Leandro Salazar ... 5. There is an 'n' in turret ... Noooooooooooo someone will believe that
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: XGS Crimson lol because somthing isnt put in your lap you want to moan about it? No, it is fact. Highly specialized raven pilot(about one year or even less) is costs the same as vet with 30+kk skills separated in Amarr/Gallente/industry. Not such versatile, but costs the same. It is basement of Eve, dude. Costs the same ? Oooooooooh, I think I know ... eBay right ? Even if you are talking about ISKs and ingame character sales, here's a secret for you : those prices are NOT the basement of eVe, and are NOT a reflection of how good the ships and skills are ... they are the prices some people are willing to pay to have a character without having to spend the months needed to make it yourself, it's a convenience factor more than anything else.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Kery Nysell Originally by: Zixxa Excuse me, Sir. How your statements change the facts: Useless when you're inside a Rokh, yes. As when you're in a shuttle, too. Obsolete ? Hardly. Obsolete. 2. To get Rokh Caldari needs more than three months of training. I'll need all of 10 seconds to click buy on the Market before climbing in a Rokh, Caldari BS at 3 is really fast to do, and all the new players rush to BS level anyway. Quote: Now, flying it competently is another matter, but you don't need T2 guns to fly a ship, with Large Hybrid 3 and support skills at 3, something that takes maybe a couple of weeks, it will be good enough ... and will not need more than three months of training. You may fly without t2 guns and be live frags(as did Forsaken Empire pilots when crazy RAT decided to give few lessons). I am flying only with t2. And I will toast you. Quote: I highly doubt that, since they are already in T2 fitted Dominixes and Megathrons, that work pretty well, why would they cross-train to another tanking method just to have a range advantage while losing a damage advantage ? Hmm, ever heard about armour tanked Ravens? No? Strange. It is real pain in the ass. So, think a bit more. Armour. Tanked. Rokh! Excellent. You win main prize. Quote: Nope, fundamentally wrong. Oh, no, yet again person i-dont-know-math. Quote: Specialization is a myth spawned by the e-peen factor. Bla-bla-bla. Specialization is method to kill effectively. Quote: I have 33 millions of skillpoints, Oh, e-peen? Quote: I'm not specialized, I can fly on every T1 ship except the Capital Ships plus a few T2 ships too, skills at 3 in every weapon systems (again, with a few skills at 5 for a few specs), and guess what ? I'm having FUN. Of course, if all you see in this game is the competition, and if that is your idea of fun, we'll have to agree to disagree ... And specialized Tempest pilot(abour year training - 15kk skill) will trash you anytime anywhere. Do you understand now meaning of word specialization? It is BIG ADVANTAGE of Eve over other MMORPG, specialization gives chance for noob to beat vets pretty well.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:36:00 - [82] /me mumbles something about the raven having a railgun bonus at one point... Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg WELCOME BACK MGRL!
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:36:00 - [83] Originally by: Tehra Neru Gotta love these folks who rely on dps all the time.. i guess they even have an extra PC with a online calculator to determ how much you will dish out in the upcoming battle. "noooo i will only do xxx.xxx of damage.. omgz" Yes, because HAC, BS and Commands are for destruction. Destruction means DPS. Sometimes destruction means alpha-strike.
Xaarist FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:37:00 - [84] Originally by: Zixxa Yes, our sniping cruiser cannot kill anybody(even indus), but it can shot at 150 km. Really great cruiser. get an eagle. i instapopped a badger in my eagle from 200km the other day. and about dps. if dps rules in pvp, why is it common sense that minmatar > amarr? i repeat - get a clue. i had like 150k in gunnery when the tier3 BS were announced. i instantly started trining large hybrids even if at that time no layouts or whatsoever were known. it is just a logical step that it would be a railboat. and btw. - do the training, and you get a mega almost for free, and among with it all the other caldari railboats, which are everything but crap. they fit perfectly in their role, and so does the rokh. mega will outdamage it still, but hey, you got resistances, more hitpoints and all the other goodies. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:39:00 - [85] While I know feeding trolls is stupid, I am bored, so... A specialized pilot will do at best 10% more damage than a non-specialized one. Usually its more like 5%. That piddly amount will mean nothing whatsoever in a gang fight. If you only do 1v1s there might be some (still very little) merit in specialization. Otherwise it is a complete waste of lots of training time for an insignificant advantage. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:39:00 - [86] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Oh yes? I know a few more 'EVE-fundamentals': Eve-myths. Not Eve-fundamentals.
Xaarist FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:42:00 - [87] oh, and what was your point posting this with a 6 day old noobcorp char? are you afraid of anything? hiding your vast knowledge about EVE maybe... ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:46:00 - [88] Edited by: Kery Nysell on 12/10/2006 12:48:47 Originally by: Zixxa stuff 1) Learn to read. 2) Learn to quote. 3) Learn to play. You can compete with vets even with noobskills, the not-so-random number generator will roll some wreckings for you too ... of course, it will be hard, but that seem to be what you want, no ? Missile skills obsolete because you fly a rail-ship ? Well, Gunnery, Missiles and Drones skills were made obsolete when the Freighters came out then ... by using your logic, when a new ship comes out, all the other ships magically cease to exist, and so their skills are obsolete ... right ? Yes, I've heard about armor-tanked, mids filled with ECM Ravens, but if you would think a bit, you'll realise that armor tanking a ship with SHIELD resistances bonuses and less low slots than mids is a nightmare, and maybe a bad idea. About your comment about trashing me, OF COURSE, I hate PvP so much that I won't even defend myself ... not that it matters, we're still playing a game, virtual word, pixels and all that ... Last but not least, my mention of my amount of SPs was meant only as a proof that you can play since november 2004 without specializations and still have fun in the game, not as e-peen waving, I'm satisfied with the dimensions of that bit of my real life anatomy.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:50:00 - [89] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Leandro Salazar Oh yes? I know a few more 'EVE-fundamentals': Eve-myths. Not Eve-fundamentals. haha i know who your main is Zixxa!!!!! you boob
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:09:00 - [90] Edited by: Waut on 12/10/2006 13:09:18 Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. [b]Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game) So all those gallente characters with Gall. BS 5 are gonna switch over? No. In its current state (unconfirmed bonuses iirc) it does less damage than the thron for a pointless optimal boost, I mean, with a standard T2 snipe setup, most people have an optimal of 203 or 211km with 30k falloff - that's higher than all the other long range BS guns in the game. Unless you like sniping 1v1 (with crap damage, no less), the rokh is pointless. Long live the thron Word. I have over 6 mil gunnery points, fly Caldari and I'm actually planning to train for the Tron. It'll be cheaper than the Rokh and does equal of not more damage as well. Outbreak! F* Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf*ing day yeah! In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
R Dan Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:13:00 - [91] LOL! ...this is a joke thread right? right?? ....well just incase I'll feed the troll! Firstly Zixxa, POST WITH YOUR MAIN If this is your main, get some experience (of playing the game) before whinning on the forums Secondly, Think how i felt when the raven lost its railgun bonus. For several YEARS I've wanted a caldari rail BS and its finally here! And this time its not a change, the missile king still lives. Third Why are your missile skill points wasted? Wheres the raven going? did i miss something? Fourth Caldari are not missiles only. my Eagle rocks thanks. I'd slap anyone who tried to swap its bonuses for missile ones. Its great for what it does, nothinging else snipes like it can. PS I fly vagabonds and Ishtars now too, but I'll happily take my eagle out when the circumstances fit. Fith Tier 3 BS are not supposed to be "tier 2 plus" they are going to be slightly better all round: cap, shields, armour etc because thats the general progression. but in the same way that tier 2 is not just "tier 1 plus" these wont be. they'l each have their role I'm sure. Rokh is the caldari fleet damage dealer. the gallente have one already so the Hyperion is said to be close range blasters. [Quote=Zixxa]Yes, also train for BBird and fly in fleet. To be good as caldari you have to fly Raven. And even with raven and maxed missile skills you rather has no chance to be good in fleet battle. But you will rock in small gang pvp. ....did you not just argue against your original point? ATM yes i agree the raven sucks in "fleet battle" but the rokh wont. and the raven will "rock in small gang pvp" as much as it always did.... I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Zylatis AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:16:00 - [92] Edited by: Zylatis on 12/10/2006 13:17:07 this is a pretty funny topic. the sheer lack of grey matter is awesome, day time tv is calling you lot. Quote: Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Come say that to my rook. When you cant lock ,move or warp and nossed and i use my crappy little guns on you all day im sure youll think differently. The point is you dont NEED a raven to be 'good at caldari', a statement which is in itself flawed. I for one welcome the rokh, i want a rail boat. Missiles have advantages and disadvantages, the latter of which can be made up with rails (ie time to dmg, ammo size, explosion velocity etc) One thing i dont see the Rokh as being is a gallente ship. Why should it? Its not geared for blasters drones and MWD, its geared for long range sniping with rails and shield tanking, thus a Caldari ship through and through. If you have somehow changed what caldari is then thats your loss but i dont care its more rokhs for me. I also take umbrage do the idea that caldari rail boats suck. You obviously have no idea how fleet battles work and so lack the wisdom to effectively wield and eagle or harpy. But all in all its a game, if your gonna **** and whinge about stuff the whole time you aint havin fun so go away, care factor zero.
Belid Hagen Illegitimate Royalty	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:20:00 - [93] just out of curiosity - where are you guys seeing detailed information on ships comming in kali?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:24:00 - [94] Originally by: Belid Hagen just out of curiosity - where are you guys seeing detailed information on ships comming in kali? The blogs have talked about the bonuses. The slot layout are from very old data which cant be trusted. Then you add some of the caldari/gallente interests of Tuxford and reach a conspiracy theory you can publish on the forums. Thats what I do anyway. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:30:00 - [95] damn noob. and troll. kill teh noobie..
Bombasy Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:40:00 - [96] Another retard. Out of my genepool please, come on, right this way into the pit of death. Your signature is inappropriate. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg Your signature is inappropriate. Please email [email protected] if you want to know why -Eldo
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:45:00 - [97] Thanks for giving me some light reading to do while bored at school. This thread has been hilerius(sp?).
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:49:00 - [98] Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all. Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO? Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven. dude your whining is based on your opinion on railguns, stop *****ing please you just want an upgraded raven which is kinda pathetic, if you don't like all those ships just don't fly them? It's not like I fly every ship I can fly
D'Arkon Skye	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:56:00 - [99] EVERYONE is missing the point of the Rohk... It has turret hardpoints because its the Caldari mining BS!!! =D And to feed the absolutely hilarious troll bait thing going on here: My hybrid gun skills currently suck, although my goal is to fly all T1 ships of all races eventually. I think its great that Caldari is getting a rail boat, as it gives a BS toy to all the weirdos ( =P ) out there that like to fly the hybrid Caldari ships rather than take the easy route like me and fly the missile ones to make more money doing agent missions faster.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:17:00 - [100] Originally by: D'Arkon Skye EVERYONE is missing the point of the Rohk... It has turret hardpoints because its the Caldari mining BS!!! =D That's the first thing that hit me when I heard about it actually ... 8 turret harpoints, shield resistances, time to retire my mining Apoc Quote: And to feed the absolutely hilarious troll bait thing going on here: My hybrid gun skills currently suck, although my goal is to fly all T1 ships of all races eventually. I think its great that Caldari is getting a rail boat, as it gives a BS toy to all the weirdos ( =P ) out there that like to fly the hybrid Caldari ships rather than take the easy route like me and fly the missile ones to make more money doing agent missions faster. Weird as it is, I complete my level 3 missions faster in my rail-Ferox than in my missile-Ferox ... my "average" skills mean that I do roughly the same damage with both weapon types, but the flight time of the missiles make the difference ... And yes, I use a passive shield tank with 5 250mm railguns
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:23:00 - [101] Originally by: keepiru Yes, definitely Detaurus... surely there cannot be 2 people like this in the world? Hold me, I'm scared... thats so funny, i might quote you on that
Snikkt Gallente Time Cube Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:36:00 - [102] I'm posting just because of a few comments in here, like "No Gallente pilot besides Pottsey has maxed shield skills" Actually, I do, for roleplaying reasons, and personal preferences. All my Gallente ships are shield tanked., and out of my 2.2 million skill points, 600K of them are in Engineering, with only 50K in Mechanic. I really don't care about "What works best" And what ship is designed for what, I just like shield tanking because it's fun, and it fits how I like to play best. ------------------- If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. My opinions are not my corporations.
Koth Krakenworth Minmatar S.A.S Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:37:00 - [103] Stop whining you caldari bastards, if you wanna be proper Minmatar pilot (since our bonuses are all over the place) you got to fully train Projectiles, Missiles, Drones, Armor tank AND Shield tank. Oh noes, you cannot specialize in missiles and shield tanking alone, you might actually have to spend a couple of months getting a third system up! How awfully sad! Signature: Complete Image
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:46:00 - [104] caldari arent moaning you nubcake - Its the moron who is. The rest of us caldari pilots are on your side....idiot
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:49:00 - [105] if it is the BS progression of the Ferox, i predict the Ferox being unseated as the king of passive shield tanking.
Jonay	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:04:00 - [106] Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all. Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO? Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven. I allways wanted to say that, TROLL. Everyone knows from some months ago that the new caldary bs was for turrets, everyone had enought time to train for large railguns tech 2, for you and the others who want another missile boat stop your **** and start training railguns.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:01:00 - [107] im no where close to tech 2 large rails but im still excited about this ship, it looks badass and if they hold true to the 8 turret points this baby will have a sweet broadside.
Filux Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: CKmobster It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r! Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period. Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless. Zixxa, if you've been strictly training for missiles and haven't touched hybrids, then the Rokh isn't for you, enough said. Tux has designed this ship because Caldari do not have a rail boat. Nobody is making you train millions of skillpoints. It's not a Gallente ship, its Caldari. If a Gallente wants to train up Caldari BS to multispec, thats great. I am Minmatar, does that mean I have to stick with Minmatar ships because Caldari ships don't have projectile bonuses and aren't made from scrap metal and duct tape? I am multispecced into Caldari and will be training up larger hybrid skills for the Rokh. This is a decision I am choosing to make, you don't have to make the same decision I am, and as such, you have NO right to complain. Go fly a Raven with your Ub3r missile skills and stop complaining that you won't be flying one of the sexiest ships to be added to EVE.
Dissaster	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:31:00 - [109] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari? zixx, seems u never pvp, huh ? anyway, sux to be you :)
Montero Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:38:00 - [110] hey look the OP is a ****wit --------- Scrapheap Challenge
Tom Star	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:37:00 - [111] Quote: "3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus)" Again. Nighthawk was total crap before patch, nighthawk will be WORST command ship after patch. WORST! It still lacks raw dps. Cerberus is missile boat and "missile boats suck at pvp most of the time." How does 25% more dps to the Night Hawk make it the "WORST"? It will then be tanked as a rock, have better dps than a cerb (same dmg bonuses +1 launcher) and still be able to kill smaller ships, although not if they move really really fast. Only thing the NH will be worse at than the cerb will be range. I just can't wait (I think that post alone is proof enough that Zixxa has no idea what he/she/it is talking about) And the rokh is a pleasant new ship for those of us that are tired of flinging phallic symbols at others, but like shield tanking.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:38:00 - [112] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari? Well,... English is Crap. Get english lessons. This thread is a pitiful waste of space Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:10:00 - [113] Hey, I got 12m sp in general and hybrid gunnery. I also got some of caldari BS lvl 5 trained. Do I have a point? Nah, I just wanted to rub it in a bit. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:32:00 - [114] please give it a drone bay so my skills are not totally wasted 12.9mill sp gunnery (hybrid and lasers) 13.2mill sp missiles 7.8mill sp drones caldari bs 5 amarr bs 5 gallenti bs 5 now i will be able to have a cheap fleet setup using 350mm ll's with spike and still get over 200km takes about 100mill off the cost of fitting a fleet BS so i am happy
Waragha Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:52:00 - [115] Originally by: Kery Nysell What are you talking about ? As a Caldari with more skillpoints in rails than in missiles, and after looking really long and hard at the Caldari ships, I can say a Tier-3 rail-BS for the Caldari race is not out of place, we have a mix of rails, missile and ECM ships at every level except at the BS one ... Also, if missiles are becoming pure crap, why do we see so many missile boats around, and even a few RAIL ships (Ferox ...) with missile setups ? Maybe because they are good, even a bit too good considering the skillpoints needed to be effictive with missiles ? qf truth and trinity Originally by: Trepkos ... The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
SmokeMeAKipper System-Lords	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:21:00 - [116] lol at stupid OP - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast - - - - - - - - - - - -
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:28:00 - [117] Originally by: SmokeMeAKipper lol at stupid OP QFT, no offense to the OP Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Gary Goat Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:59:00 - [118] Every race has 2 weapon types. I fly gallente ships and i had 2 choices, invest my skillpoints in hybrids or drones. I chose hybrids so i cant fly ships like the dominix, ishtar, vexor or ishkur to there full potential. If i wanted to fly these ships to there full potential i'd have to invest 3-5 mill in drone skills to get T2 heavy drones. Same goes for the caldari ships. If you want to use all of your races ships to there potential you have to train hybrids as well. Its nobody's fault but your own if you've only trained missiles and you have no right to whine about it. Quote: Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. Yeah but the gallente pilots also spent 90/100 days training for large hybrids. What were you training? If an above average gallente pilot wanted to fly a raven then they would have to spend months training for missiles. Quote: Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game Riiight.... Merlin is one of the best t2 frigs in game and will easily beat a kessie if you know what you're doing. Cant coment on the moa/caracal cos i havent flown them enough but the eagle is not one of the worst hacs. Its an excellent sniper ship and is better then a deimos when fitted with blasters. (before upcoming changes at least)
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Gary Goat Quote: Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game Riiight.... Merlin is one of the best t2 frigs in game and will easily beat a kessie if you know what you're doing. Cant coment on the moa/caracal cos i havent flown them enough but the eagle is not one of the worst hacs. Its an excellent sniper ship and is better then a deimos when fitted with blasters. (before upcoming changes at least) the merlin is a T2 frig???? right. (And its a split weapon system "2 launchers, 2 turrets) and while I disagree with the OP on the Rokh issue (its gona be awesome for caldari piolets) I do agree pound for pound Caldari railboats just Suck at PvP Slow , low Dps, mid slot tanked, snipers. where practicly all PvP mods are mid slot mods and to stop anyone warping away you have to be under 20k's !!!!!!!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:53:00 - [120] Edited by: keepiru on 13/10/2006 04:55:56 Edited by: keepiru on 13/10/2006 04:53:51 2 is right next to 1, so thats certainly a typo. As far as the merlin, its a good t1 frig, the harpy is a good AF considering the whole class is generally pretty sucky... The problem with the Eagle/Moa is common to ALL sniping cruisers, and the reason why the Muninn (which in theory is an artillery platform, soon-to-be-resolved grid issues aside) is most often used with Autos - cruisers dont have the DPS to kill stuff before it warps, and so sniping cruisers are inherently unsuited to antyhing but fleet support, and then it becomes tricky because they die so fast. Unless, that is, camping gates to kill frigates is something you consider a worthwile past-time. Its also the reason why amarr cruisers are suffering right now - since the DPS and tracking of the guns got toned down a bit to be more inline with what a "midrange" gun should do, and the stacking nerf, ganking laser cruisers dont cut the butter as well as they used to, bringing to light all the weaknesses that were hidden before - when your advantage lies outside web range, cruisers end up sucking. It starts working again on Command Ships, but thats because field CCs do BS-level damage. The Rokh on the other hand, while it wont have the zomgawesome alphastrike of minnie BS, or the dps of the sniperthron, will make a pretty good sniper thanks to the range it can hit at. The range bonus would be more useful if it wasnt for the equalizer hat is T2 ammo tho... Certainly, itll be a much better fleet ship than the raven, one area where many caldari pilots feel their race is sorely lacking. Thankfully (or not, depending on how biased you are) unbonused EW doesent work at 425mm II + 50% range bonus + Spike ranges... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Cethrie Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:00:00 - [121] I'm not going to call you stupid.. I'm not going to say you are wrong.. I'm going to say simpley put.. You don't need to fly the Rohk.. if your skills are only viable for shield tanked missile boats, then only fly the shield tanked missile boats. Unfortunately as caldari to fly all of their ships well, you must be spec'ed in everything well.. EW, Armor, Shield, Hybrids, Missiles & Drones.. ohh hang on.. every race has the same? Ever noticed there is a bunch of Gallente ships that require missiles, or a bunch of Amarr ships that need drone skills? Or Minmatar ships that require Armor Tanking? If you are a newer pilot and you don't have millions in each branch of skills which allows you to fly the ships well, just don't fly them. Your game will be no more gimped than anyone elses, sure your not spoiled for choice.. But I can't fly every ship available with T2 guns. Its a very small percentage of people in the player base who can. I was annoyed as you when I had to fly Gallente to actually play large fleet sniper wars and my Raven was useless (I had abysmal EW skills so the Scorpion was out and EW wasn't the I-Win it is now). So I had to train Gallente and build my skills in Hybrids. It was a great choice .. it took probably a few months.. but it meant I opened the second part of the Caldari Tree.. the ships that use Hybrids. Training my EW opened the 3rd tree. All that cross training payed off, I'm spoiled for choice in the way I fit the ship and they way I use the ship, I can choose to armour tank any of them, shield them, turn them into snipers or short range damage boats. So the the Rohk completes the tree, and makes all that training I have done pay off. While I agree 90 days is too long.. Everyone has either been through it.. or is planning it. If you dont want hybrids.. ignore the Rohk, the only effect it should have on your game is.. either Caldari/Guristas will have some new looking Rats or you will have Rohks on your killmails
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:09:00 - [122] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: XGS Crimson lol because somthing isnt put in your lap you want to moan about it? No, it is fact. Highly specialized raven pilot(about one year or even less) is costs the same as vet with 30+kk skills separated in Amarr/Gallente/industry. Not such versatile, but costs the same. It is basement of Eve, dude. Caldari pilots have complained forever for not having an active role in fleet combat because they use missiles. Now CCP give you a turret ship that allows you to compete in long range fleet battles almost immediately using tech 1 equipment. Now your mad because you specialized on one weapon system? So instead of starting to train to use this tech 3 BS or just keep specializing using the raven you want CCP to change the ship to fit you Hmm should I just pity you or ignore you...... "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:26:00 - [123] Edited by: Flabida jaba on 13/10/2006 05:29:06 Originally by: keepiru 2 is right next to 1, so thats certainly a typo. As far as the merlin, its a good t1 frig, the harpy is a good AF considering the whole class is generally pretty sucky... I agree, there both good. but a long way from "the best" for any kind of pvp, except maybe...fleet support * shudders imaging a merlin in fleet battle....* and the harpy is one of the few Caldari rail boats with a damage bonus! (none of the tech 1 rail boats have any) where damage bonuses are universal.....range bonuses are purely situational Originally by: keepiru The problem with the Eagle/Moa is common to ALL sniping cruisers, and the reason why the Muninn (which in theory is an artillery platform, soon-to-be-resolved grid issues aside) is most often used with Autos - cruisers dont have the DPS to kill stuff before it warps, and so sniping cruisers are inherently unsuited to antyhing but fleet support, and then it becomes tricky because they die so fast. Unless, that is, camping gates to kill frigates is something you consider a worthwile past-time. agreed again......but all caldari ships with bonuses to hybrid weapons are snipers...Mid slot tank sniper to be more precise...... other races have the abilty to get in a short range specalised ship and tank with low slots leaving mids free for ECM hey im not a caldari whine fan...i like the race and it has its advantages just like all races....PvP just aint one.... Originally by: keepiru The Rokh on the other hand, while it wont have the zomgawesome alphastrike of minnie BS, or the dps of the sniperthron, will make a pretty good sniper thanks to the range it can hit at. The range bonus would be more useful if it wasnt for the equalizer hat is T2 ammo tho... Certainly, itll be a much better fleet ship than the raven, one area where many caldari pilots feel their race is sorely lacking. Thankfully (or not, depending on how biased you are) unbonused EW doesent work at 425mm II + 50% range bonus + Spike ranges... Rokh will be awesome..better start training
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:46:00 - [124] Zixxa, you're also forgetting about the Cormmorant (7 turret, 1 launcher) which is a very good destroyer if not the best for anti-frig imo although I personally like the thrasher for my own uses. But I digress. Dps and Range are usually always a trade off (blasters vs rails). To say that all Caldari rail ships are pointless in using when they have a missile equivalent ship is in itself missing the point that missiles and rails are used differently. Missiles can hit out not as far as rails but still a ways out and do great damage but they give up the instant damage factor. [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further d
Rorix Whitecloud Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:58:00 - [125] some have mentioned the lack of damage bonus on caldari ships... well, since our ships dont do low-slot tanking, we have the option of fitting more damage mods in there for damage... ofcouse, if the other races decides to screw tanking and go pure gank, we cant quite match that, but at that point, damage from sniping actually becomes useful (since they dont tank...) Ofcourse... sniping when they can get away if they're over 20 km away, is still pretty worthless... thats why caldari blaster ships ftw! :D Sig pic too old... and lost the template during reformatting (doh!) Goal: To blaster-fit every Caldari ship that has a turret slot. ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 06:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Sorja Edited by: Sorja on 12/10/2006 10:52:11 Originally by: CKmobster Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Actually was awarded best ship on one of EvE tournaments. I have friends flying this thing, both PvP and PvE. Yes, the Eagle sux, it's hands down the worst HAC and isn't even impressive as a sniper (and I've been on both sides of the fence with this). It was once good in a tournament because of... crystal implants. It's easy to fix though, like the Moa, it only needs a 5th turret slot. The only decent gunship for Caldari is the Harpy. I have large rails speceialized (and large blasters too...) so I hope Tux doesn't screw the Rokh. Eagle sucks? Where the hell did you pick this up? Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.13 06:37:00 - [127] Most people seem to think that "isnt best ship in class for solo work" = sucks.. shrug ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:08:00 - [128] Eagle is one of the most effective fleet ships there is. Oh and in fleets, it really doesnt matter how tough you think you are unless you're in a capital ship.
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:16:00 - [129] Edited by: Flabida jaba on 13/10/2006 08:19:00 Edited by: Flabida jaba on 13/10/2006 08:16:40 Originally by: keepiru Most people seem to think that "isnt best ship in class for solo work" = sucks.. shrug i guess your right...i know thats the way i think! but i have now decided to post in every thread i see where someone says.... "you can insta pop frigs at 150k in (insert Caldari rail ship name here) its rawks" I just love the ability to insta pop frigs...you?

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.