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Lt Angus
Caldari Privateers
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Posted - 2006.10.12 10:54:00 -
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real caldari use rails
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Xaarist
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.12 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xaarist on 12/10/2006 10:58:40 now look what happens when people without a clue start posting on eve-o.
1st. 90-110 days, how do you get that number? roll the dice? i know what you meant, starting from 150k in gunnery to large railgun specialization and every gunnery skill at level 4 or 5. then - if you draw that comparison, add the shield tanking and missile skills to the gallente skilltree, too.
2nd. the average caldari pilot you are talking about is obviously you. you define average by looking at your skilltree. poor guy. many people have very good gunnery skills although they are caldari, since missile boats suck at pvp most of the time.
3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus)
4th. all caldari railboats are the best long range ships of their class. you hear that? best long range ships in their class in terms of range. it is only normal that they get the highest range BS as well.
5th. stop the whining because you didn't want it. i bet 80% of the caldari pilots out there had exactly the rokh on their personal wishlist. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD... |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:14:00 -
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damn noob.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:16:00 -
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This is actually one of the worst topics ive seen in a long time. Its clearly meant to be provocative not only to Tuxford but the entire playerbase, and all the thread really does is show people how completely ignorant caldari pilots can be.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:18:00 -
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Last I knew it took less than 10 days to train up to large hybrid turrets and decent support skills. All you need is gunnery 5 and lvl3 in the other skills to be able to properly use them.
You know you don't HAVE to use T2 or have everything at lvl5... Imho specialization and smart are mutually exclusive. If you train something like cruise spec 5 before large hybrid turret 1, your training is extremely inefficient. Don't blame the game for your own bad choices. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:24:00 -
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I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I. Yes, my gunnery skills are that bad. No, that's fine, now I've got a BS grade rail platform, I'm a happy happy bunny. Especially with it's shield resists. I was actually expecting it not to get 8 turrets, and even with a 6/4 turret/missile split, I'd have been happy.
I focussed on missiles, because there was no caldari rail battleship. Now there is. IMO it's 'about right' in terms of potential. Extremely long range (so longer anti-matter optimals) and a good solid tank.
And looks cool.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wotar So you want another Raven, but better?
Nope. It will be not fair.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist Edited by: Xaarist on 12/10/2006 10:58:40 now look what happens when people without a clue start posting on eve-o.
1st. 90-110 days, how do you get that number? roll the dice?
Try to guess.
Quote: i know what you meant, starting from 150k in gunnery to large railgun specialization and every gunnery skill at level 4 or 5. then - if you draw that comparison, add the shield tanking and missile skills to the gallente skilltree, too.
For shield tanking required at most 600k skills. But Rokh could fly without shield tank. Just deadly ECM/armour tanked.
Quote: 2nd. the average caldari pilot you are talking about is obviously you. you define average by looking at your skilltree. poor guy. many people have very good gunnery skills although they are caldari, since missile boats suck at pvp most of the time.
Truth. Missile boat sucks in PvP. So, you are agree, that Rokh is not Caldari, but for the Gallente.
Quote: 3rd. cerberus is an excellent ship to have in a pvp gang. the myth it could only be used in pve is, well, a myth. the hawk is suffering a bit still, but believe it or not, it is excellent to hunt sansha npcers for example. the missile command ship (nighthawk) will just rock after the patch when it gets a launcher rate of fire instead of the explosion radius bonus)
Again. Nighthawk was total crap before patch, nighthawk will be WORST command ship after patch. WORST! It still lacks raw dps. Cerberus is missile boat and "missile boats suck at pvp most of the time."
Quote: 5th. stop the whining because you didn't want it. i bet 80% of the caldari pilots out there had exactly the rokh on their personal wishlist.
Not real Caldari, but Gallente-oriented.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:36:00 -
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the tier 3 bs is not for caldari, its a good ship for other races to skill for as 2e race ship . like im gallante and i fly gallante battle ships but also caldari battle ships.
the caldari battle ship pilots are *** but i dont realy care since im a capital ship pilot from now on.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I.
Gallente get your Rokh almost immediately. For you I propose to traing Projectile - almost the same amount of time and you will get funny minma BS(including tier3). There is no big difference for what run Rokh, or any other tier3 BS
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:39:00 -
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I am SHOCKED and APPALED by the ignorance in this post.
see jim? I told ya that stupidity runs wild here. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all.
Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO?
Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven.
What? No really, what? Because YOU didn't train hybrid skills you're now whining about the Rokh? Would you want an even better Raven? For missiles, our Tier2 BS is top of the line, maybe even over the top. The Raven is at the very top of the food chain, only few current BS can rival it in a straight 1on1 and she's the undisputed queen of PvE. You want something even better?? Bah. Don't get me wrong, I'm heavily missile specced as well, but I'm really looking forward to the Drake (missileboat btw, Caldari are Rails AND Missiles and we get ONE of each with kali) and the Rokh. So I need to work on my gunnery skills fow a while... so? I'm currently also training for Minnie BS and projectiles, because I think Minnie ships are fun to fly. Noone forces me, I just train what I want to. Don't like hybrids? Don't like the new BS? Then simply don't train for it and don't use it.
Btw, the other races BS are hardly gonna be 'overpowered', they wont shove the Raven in a dark corner in PvP. The Raven will still have a role and will still be powerful. Look at the current Tier1 BS, they still have roles, they're still flown and they can still go head to head with a Tier2 BS without being downright demolished.
Originally by: Zixxa
Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari?
Merlin rocks. Moa rocks. Eagle, can't comment, never flown. Ferox downright rocks with whatever you slap on it. It's mostly used as a missile platform because launchers use less grid which in turn allows for an awesome tank. Vulture is a fleet command ship. It's not built to dish out, but to field gang mods and take a beating. And from the few I've seen in action so far I'd say the Vulture does her job pretty damn well.
Yes, all Caldari Railboats are currently a bit underpowered and could use at least 1 more turret hardpoint to give them a little more damage output, but to say they suck is just a plain lie. Look, for example, at the tank the railboats can field? Yeah, Caracal is nice and all, but a Moa can outtank it any day. Oh, the Moa can also reach weapon ranges in excess of 150km with the correct setup and T2 rails. Yes, it wont hit hard, but it's cheap, faster than a sniper BS and has a faster lock time.
Railboats aren't the easy way, and for PvE I've found them more often than not lacking, but they certainly don't suck.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: CKmobster It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r!
Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game.
Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact".
Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
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The M'hael
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:46:00 -
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Sorry to interrupt such a fun argument, but where are people finding such detailed information on the new battleships/battlecruisers? I've skimmed dev blogs that say they're coming, they'll be in this month, they'll be in next month when we fix the server, etc, etc, but never any hard details. And some of you sound like you've actually seen the thing. O_o
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:46:00 -
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120km range on a harpy? thats crap? almost instant frig pop?
there is already a missile battleship and an ecm battleship... caldari is the railgun race... not gallente we are the blaster/ drones race... sorry to tell you this zizza but your arguing a crap with no backup atall.. atleast get your facts striaght before you make negative comments... and i stick to my words... damn noob.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: James Lyrus I'm a missile specced caldari pilot. I'll be training hybrids as a next priority, because I want to fly the Rohk. 70 days to Large Railgun spec I.
Gallente get your Rokh almost immediately. For you I propose to traing Projectile - almost the same amount of time and you will get funny minma BS(including tier3). There is no big difference for what run Rokh, or any other tier3 BS
can you even afford a rohk?(betting about 200 mil new) have your balls dropped yet? have you relised that the rohk follows a line of caldari ships which make excellente gun platforms...? you whine now but once you get the 220km ranged rohk you wont.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: CKmobster It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r!
Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game.
Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact".
Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
Never talk about Caldari being skill heavy and Minmatar having it easy in a single post. Look at their Typhoon, needing missile, gunnery and drone skills. Then their BS are also split in armor AND shield tanks. Please, just stop complaining, be happy you get the Drake and ignore the Rokh.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Disco Flint
Merlin rocks. Moa rocks. Ferox downright rocks with whatever you slap on it. It's mostly used as a missile platform because launchers use less grid which in turn allows for an awesome tank.
What a deep knowledeg! Write more, dude. What else rocks? May Bantam?
Originally by: Disco Flint Yes, all Caldari Railboats are currently a bit underpowered.Oh, the Moa can also reach weapon ranges in excess of 150km with the correct setup and T2 rails. Yes, it wont hit hard, but it's cheap, faster than a sniper BS and has a faster lock time.
Yes, our sniping cruiser cannot kill anybody(even indus), but it can shot at 150 km. Really great cruiser.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:51:00 -
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Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster?
I hate to break it to you, but every ship is for every player, regardless of race. If your training is too focused, thats your fault, not the game's or the devs'. Narrowmindedness 4tl.
The only real argument that might count is that there will be three market battleships for hybrid users while there is really only one for missile users. But imho the fix for that is not making the CNR obsolete with a missile-Rokh, but to give the Typhoon 5 or 6 missile slots. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Kery Nysell
Caldari Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
Just wrong.
I can be good as a Caldari Pilot without a Raven (I've not owned one for the past 10 months).
When I had a Raven, I was good in it with less than a million of SPs in missiles (but much more than that in Engineering, shield skills).
A time investment in skills is never useless, nor obsolete.
Granted, I don't do any PvP (I find that more boring than mining), I'm a mission runner, high sec based carebear that hasn't a clue about fleet combat, but I've learned a few things, among others that DPS is not the only factor in PvP ... tactics, teamplay and such play a bigger role than raw DPS.
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Johnny Bravo
Gallente Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Crappy comment. Period. IF the theoretical DPS was as important as you say, then Dominix wouldn't be the king of PvP. Then Raven wouldn't be unbeatable close to mid range BS. Then Scorpion wouldnt be called primary every time. And crow wouldnt be so popular.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster?
Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small.
Quote: I hate to break it to you, but every ship is for every player, regardless of race. If your training is too focused, thats your fault, not the game's or the devs'. Narrowmindedness 4tl.
Nope. The only choice for average pilot and noobs in eve is deep specialization in one direction to be competitive with vets.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: The M'hael Sorry to interrupt such a fun argument, but where are people finding such detailed information on the new battleships/battlecruisers? I've skimmed dev blogs that say they're coming, they'll be in this month, they'll be in next month when we fix the server, etc, etc, but never any hard details. And some of you sound like you've actually seen the thing. O_o
its been announced they said 10% range bonus 8 gunslots (i think) and sheild resistances
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Leandro Salazar Hmm, maybe I should open another thread for the poor gallentes that are drone-specced and get a tier 3 BS that is really for caldari since every caldari who has large hybrids trained up will get to use it faster?
Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small.
how the hell do you know that have you been out witha clipboard and pen? you dont know what your talking about now stop arguing your shiist argument you damn noob.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa Yes, and you will be partially right. Drone-specialized community of Gallente get no new ship. But this community rather small.
Oh my. Yes, no Gallentean flies the Dominix. You really are completely out of touch with reality, aren't you?
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:57:00 -
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Quote: Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
Do you realize that the Rokhs optimal bonus will allow you to shoot at current fleet ranges even with T1 ammo? Giving you an entry into fleet battles at extremely low skillpoints?
But I guess in your DPS-obsession that does not matter. DPS = win. Yeah, sure. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Magunus
The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa <snip> To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
Why, is the Raven going somewhere? ---
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Bravo
Originally by: Zixxa
Not enough dps == crap in Eve PvP. Period.
Crappy comment. Period. IF the theoretical DPS was as important as you say, then Dominix wouldn't be the king of PvP. Then Raven wouldn't be unbeatable close to mid range BS. Then Scorpion wouldnt be called primary every time. And crow wouldnt be so popular.
Read more. Period. We are speaking about Eagle. Heavy Assault. We are speaking about killing/ Scorpion cannot kill because lack of dps. But Scorpion can only die to save the gang/fleet. Crow is popular because most noobs are Caldari and it is easy to catch inter. Taranis is much more effective.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.12 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 12/10/2006 12:01:59
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: CKmobster Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact".
Yes, and what? Every caldari pilots know this sad fact. Now we have BS less or more affordable for fleet combat. For price of 4-5kk skills. Why Gallente, Minmatars and Amarrs get tier3 for freee, but Caldari for millions of skillpoints? To be good as Caldari you have to use Raven. To use Raven well you have to invests many millions of skill into missile branch. ow this investment is obsolete and useless.
not true - train ECM skills up and use a scorpion in fleet. uh oh guess what?? your FC WILL love you for flying a scorpion (or he's a n00b) - you can kill support with cruise missiles while your jammers shut down the hostile BS.
it doesn't matter if a ship is tier1 tier2 or tier3 ... sometimes it even doesn't matter if it's T2 or not ... only important thing is - can it get the job done? ___________________
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.12 12:05:00 -
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So, who thinks Raven wont kill the Rohk?
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