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Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:45:00 - [1] Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game). Above everage Gallete pilot requires up to 10 days to get Rokh(Caldari BS 3-4 lvl - thats all Gallente need to catch best Caldari BS). Above average Caldari pilot requires at least 90-110 days to get Rokh. In fact Caldari may with the same level of success jump any other BS, even Amarr's. Add few weeks for average armour tanking - that's all. Why Gallente will get TWO tier3 BS, Amarr and Minmatars ONE tier3 BS and Caldari ZERO? Notice, that whole missile branch(the native Caldari weapon) is becoming pure crap. Missile HAC(one) - for PvE only, missile AF - pitiful, missile Command Ship - nonsense, missile BS - only good old Raven.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:54:00 - [2] Edited by: Waut on 12/10/2006 09:55:48 What the hell are you smoking Didn't you get the memo that Caldari use hybrid guns as well? Outbreak! F* Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf*ing day yeah! In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:55:00 - [3] Railguns were the "native caldari weapon" long before missiles were changed about so they could start to be a primary weapon system. Likewise there have always been hybrid based caldari ships (Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox) If you trained solely for missiles you already have a good ship in the Raven, the Rokh is for those who have been wanting a caldari railgun battleship for the last three years. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Amphira The Golden Goose	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:56:00 - [4] Forgive me if i am wrong, but isnt the Railguns actually a part of the Caldari weaponry? Even if you've chosen not to train for it? hintmerlin,moa,ferox,whateverthedestroyerisnamedhint
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:56:00 - [5] What are you talking about ? As a Caldari with more skillpoints in rails than in missiles, and after looking really long and hard at the Caldari ships, I can say a Tier-3 rail-BS for the Caldari race is not out of place, we have a mix of rails, missile and ECM ships at every level except at the BS one ... Also, if missiles are becoming pure crap, why do we see so many missile boats around, and even a few RAIL ships (Ferox ...) with missile setups ? Maybe because they are good, even a bit too good considering the skillpoints needed to be effictive with missiles ?
Irrilian Eve University	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:59:00 - [6] How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:00:00 - [7] I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:04:00 - [8] Return to reality, dudes. It is not story about Eve world history. Railgun is Caldari weapon only theoretically. They do not have GOOD railgun ships. No BS, Ferox is used as missile boat(surprise, surprise), commands, Moa is just suxx. Only exception - Harpy. Who will train full LARGE railgun branch to fly Harpy? Only full idiot. So, all Caldari with brain are specializing only in missiles. It is ONLY RELIABLE weapon for Caldari. Now Tux gives to these pilots tier 3 BS with railgun weapon. Thank you, Tux, but mor honest is to put this ship to Gallente, because Gallente will have now TWO tier3 BS: one for short range, second for sniping. Just wonderful. P.S. Go-go to marker to buy Gallente char!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:04:00 - [9] <whisper>detaurus?</whisper> :o ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:05:00 - [10] Yes, definitely Detaurus... surely there cannot be 2 people like this in the world? Hold me, I'm scared... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Zixxa Please, don't tell me that Rokh is for Caldari. [b]Rokh is for Gallente(as usual, they get best equipment i the game) So all those gallente characters with Gall. BS 5 are gonna switch over? No. In its current state (unconfirmed bonuses iirc) it does less damage than the thron for a pointless optimal boost, I mean, with a standard T2 snipe setup, most people have an optimal of 203 or 211km with 30k falloff - that's higher than all the other long range BS guns in the game. Unless you like sniping 1v1 (with crap damage, no less), the rokh is pointless. Long live the thron Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Beringe I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). For what hell they need railgun ship? But Gallente will be absolutely happy. So good addition to their park of excellent ships. And no efforts to learn ew skills. At the end Caldari BS up to 4 is not problem.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:14:00 - [13] I have a clue BPO I'd like to shift... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari?
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:22:00 - [15] You really think gallente have it easier? You seem to be forgetting the fact that caldari almost have totally seperate ships for rails. Most of the gallente t1 ships are dual purpose, gaining damage from both hybrids and drones and as such require more skills to use effectively. As caldari, you can simply train missiles (which, btw, take much less time to train to t2 large than the guns do), and fly all the caldari missile ships. Not our problem you decided to ignore your second (actually, your first) weapons platform in favour of the more effective one - it's like a gallente pilot complaining because he didn't train drones and now wants to fly a dominix Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:25:00 - [16] This is the logical next step. Follow this red thread: Frig -> Cruiser -> Battleship Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion (ecm, Tier 1) Kestrel -> Caracal -> Raven (missiles, Tier 2) Merlin -> Moa -> Rokh (rails, Tier 3) Mhm? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes It contains my ingame name and corp ticker - Serj
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:26:00 - [17] So you want another Raven, but better?
Tommy Vercetti Minmatar Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:26:00 - [18] Trade you the maelstrom for the rokh then? Originally by: Murukan It's like really you ***** , it also out damages my tempest so maybe i shouldn't saunter up to the thron at 2km like i'm ready to * it's **.
Amphira The Golden Goose	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Irrilian How could you design a missile BS ship to out raven the Raven? Moreover youÆre ignoring the entire line of often ignored Caldari hybrid platforms: Merlin, Harpy, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, (Ferox), Vulture. WhatÆs missing from this line up is a Hybrid based BS. Im just hopping that it isnt too crippled with a split missile/turret hardpoint set up, and has a reasonable drone bay. Please, no joking. Merlin is crap. Get Kestrel Moa is crap. Get Caracal. Eagle is worst HAC in the game(see upcoming changes). Get Cerberus. Ferox is usually missile platform. Vulture is absolutely useless crap. So what about railguns for Caldari? You are saying all these ships are crap, heh care to back up your statements, or are they crap because you can't figure out how to use them? Now, if you actually trained up your gunnery skills a little higher than Small Hybrid lvl 1 you might actually come to find out that rails, on certain caldari ships aint so frikkin bad as you claim. Ofcourse, you would need an IQ of atleast 35+ to actually understand how to use them though.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:28:00 - [20] One minor point you seem to have missed out. The Rokh is a shield tanker - and Gallente pilots tend to have better armour tanking skills than shield tanking skills, unlike Caldari pilots. Max --------------------
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Amphira Now, if you actually trained up your gunnery skills a little higher than Small Hybrid lvl 1 you might actually come to find out that rails, on certain caldari ships aint so frikkin bad as you claim. Ofcourse, you would need an IQ of atleast 35+ to actually understand how to use them though. I guess he / she isnt able to fit 250mm II with Spike on an Eagle with Med Hybrid 1 ... yup, Caldari rail boats are bad Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Tehra Neru	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:34:00 - [22] It's so laughable seeing people complaine about ships. "Moa is crap bla bla bla, get caracal becouse it has missiles" ** missiles i say, missiles are so lame and easy to use it's not even funny. Children are complaining becouse they somehow got killed in a Moa and couldn't destroy the enemy ship so they have to get a caracal and stay 50km from them. And let's not even talk about Raven, it's the most **tiest ship out there that has ever existed. Press i win button from 1-8 and the enemy is dead.. hurraay!!! Look mommy i killed him with my missiles. It's not the ships fault, it's the players
CKmobster Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:37:00 - [23] It's obvious that Zixxa is a n00b, so we shouldnt read to much into his wrighting. He's probably a PvE'r! Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Actually was awarded best ship on one of EvE tournaments. I have friends flying this thing, both PvP and PvE. As far as Rail vs. Missiles... Yes, I'm a Caldari Pilot, yes, I got most my SP's in missiles, but Caldari need a Railgun BS. Zixxa, have you ever been to fleet battles?? Raven is usualy not counted as a fleet ship, as missiles are so slow, while all other guns are "insta-impact". If you have missiles incomming, you just warp out, and warp back in :D As for the Scorpion, not realy worth to try making this a rail boat, as you gonna be called primary before you can say COOKIE, cause they expect you to be loaded with nast EW, and nobody likes EW on the other side of the field. So even tho I can't use Rails worth a damn, I'm happy that those who can get the ship they been waiting for!
Flash Landsraad Nexus Legion Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Flash Landsraad on 12/10/2006 10:38:47 Originally by: Zixxa Return to reality, dudes. It is not story about Eve world history. Railgun is Caldari weapon only theoretically. Erm, no. Plenty of Caldari ships use rails, there's no theory about it; 100% FACT. Originally by: Zixxa They do not have GOOD railgun ships. No BS, Ferox is used as missile boat(surprise, surprise), commands, Moa is just suxx. Only exception - Harpy. Who will train full LARGE railgun branch to fly Harpy? Only full idiot. You're right there is no rail BS, that's why we're getting one . I use the ferox as a rail platform quite often sucessfully. It's basically a 1/5th price Eagle with 2/3 of the range but same damage output... The Harpy is arguably one of the best assaul frigates. The moa makes a nice cheap rail platform for support damage in gangs. Originally by: Zixxa So, all Caldari with brain are specializing only in missiles. It is ONLY RELIABLE weapon for Caldari. Well no...rail guns are extremely reliable on Caldari rail ships. Such as the new tier 3 BS for example. Originally by: Zixxa Now Tux gives to these pilots tier 3 BS with railgun weapon. Thank you, Tux, but mor honest is to put this ship to Gallente, because Gallente will have now TWO tier3 BS: one for short range, second for sniping. Just wonderful. Yes a lot of Gallente players will be able to train BS to 4 quickly and have a good sniper platform. But a lot of Gallente players use blasters since this is what Gallente ships are designed for. A lot of Gallente ships lack the powergrid to fit rails effectively, and therefore a lot of Gallente players wont have T2 rail skills trained. Originally by: Zixxa P.S. Go-go to marker to buy Gallente char! Immature. Signature removed due to lack of Eve-related content. -Ivan K Fair enough Ivan, sorry :( - Flash
CKmobster Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Serj Darek This is the logical next step. Follow this red thread: Frig -> Cruiser -> Battleship Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion (ecm, Tier 1) Kestrel -> Caracal -> Raven (missiles, Tier 2) Merlin -> Moa -> Rokh (rails, Tier 3) Mhm? Just whanted to add... nice post :D brings us the picture :D
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Zixxa And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). says the missionrunner in jita to the newbie. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:43:00 - [27] To the OP: #1, post with your main. #2, someone call the waAAAMMMMBULANCE Because I said so...
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Beringe I think he's trying to say that no Caldari have large rails trained. He's wrong. I've had them trained ever since I started to fly a scorpion, nearly three years ago. And there's a lot of caldari pilots who already have T2 medium rails (helloo...harpy, moa, eagle...), so they'd only need to train a couple of skills in order to get the large ones. And what? It is JUST exception. Rule sounds "The only good thing for Caldari is missiles". So most of Caldari are missile specialized(btw, not so easy at all). For what hell they need railgun ship? But Gallente will be absolutely happy. So good addition to their park of excellent ships. And no efforts to learn ew skills. At the end Caldari BS up to 4 is not problem. You're an idiot. Your opinions on ships' worth are laughable. Rokh, if anything, is terribly overpowered. There's no such rule. You're an idiot. There, I think I covered all the bases with this reply. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:48:00 - [29] Well, first of all it's an ugly box design, typical for Caldari. To say it's Gallente is a gross insult to all Gallente. Second of all, it does go on Caldari Battleship skill. And to fly it properly you need it at at least 4, if you haven't got any pride, that is. But let's examine how long this will take to train... Caldari Frig about 2 days, Caldari Cruiser about 5 days, and Caldari Battleship 8 days for a grand total of... 15 days. A bit above Zixxa's estimate of 10 days for sure. Now, let's examine how long it takes a Caldari pilot to train for it. Large Hybrid Turret to 5 takes about 25 days. Any respectable Caldari pilot will have Med Rail Spec 4 with Sharpshooting 5 already. So, it'll take a Caldari pilot about 10 more days than a Gallente pilot. Right. But Kali isn't due for another 25 or so days, so let's examine that for when Kali is released instead. Gallente 15 days or more(), cause we don't really want to fly that ugly sod Caldari already done cause any selfrespecting Caldari pilot with ambition to fly it will have his skills ready. As for missile ships being crap, well I'm sorry if you don't want to train skills to max and then think a bit outside the box. () Seriously, aside from Pottsey, do you think a Gallente pilot has his shield skills maxed out? - Three years old
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Sorja on 12/10/2006 10:52:11 Originally by: CKmobster Eagle sux?? Probably one of the better Long Range HAC's in the game. Actually was awarded best ship on one of EvE tournaments. I have friends flying this thing, both PvP and PvE. Yes, the Eagle sux, it's hands down the worst HAC and isn't even impressive as a sniper (and I've been on both sides of the fence with this). It was once good in a tournament because of... crystal implants. It's easy to fix though, like the Moa, it only needs a 5th turret slot. The only decent gunship for Caldari is the Harpy. I have large rails speceialized (and large blasters too...) so I hope Tux doesn't screw the Rokh. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships

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