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Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Daravel on 12/10/2006 13:42:43 Oops - pressed enter Editing in content. Please hold Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Belladonna Nightshade	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:53:00 - [2] Use Eve-info for all your mission guides. I feel sorry for you but its your own fault for rushing in without doing any proper research. You dont have to fit stabs for missions, just ask someone what the scrambler rats are called...usually they are frigates and pop easily.
Zaldoza Caldari Holographic MindWare Constructions	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:54:00 - [3] Ehmm check Eveinfo before the mission,so you know what ships scramble/web you.Take those down first... Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:58:00 - [4] I can't find the info now but its always firgs in the lower missions. It will be the higher bounty frigs (25k-30k) generally merc wingmen and drones with the "strain" prefix will do it. Other factions have similar naming conventions of guys that can scramble, hopefully people will add them. Finally, npc's scrambling is not a bad idea. EvE was never intended to be a game with no consequences. You screw up, you die, it hurts! To use a cliche, you want no risk, then go and play WoW
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:58:00 - [5] Mission: Pirate invasion I've run it 4 times in 2 days (and a number of times previously) - never been scrammed before The scramming frigs - umm.. about 6 of each type.. which one? QUICK - shields gone... is it that one? or that one? Armour... maybe that one? - see my point? theres 5,6,7 of each ship type (about 15 frigs/10 cruisers/3 BC's) You say Eveinfo? So I have to use a website to learn the game? Shouldn't I be able to find out EVERYTHING I need to know through the game? I shouldn't HAVE to research it at all. But saying that, yes, maybe I could have... My point isn't over the scramming, more the fact that its nearly impossible to know what enemy is doing it - and you don't know your scrammed until it's too late (the message probably doesn't even appear as Im being hit by 3-4 missiles a second) Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Daravel how do I know which ship it was? It was a frigate, so that narrows it down a bit. Look for the blue pulses eminating from the frig towards your ship. I've accidentally aggroed lots of ships in the past and managed to pinpoint which ones are scambling me, nail them and get out safe.
Dunadain	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:01:00 - [7] I think missions with these types of enemies are great. It makes missions less about just tanking damage, and a little more about strategy, being prepared for the unexpected, and slightly more like PVP, where this will happen to you.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Daravel You say Eveinfo? So I have to use a website to learn the game? Shouldn't I be able to find out EVERYTHING I need to know through the game? I shouldn't HAVE to research it at all. But saying that, yes, maybe I could have... Yes you shouldnt HAVE to. And you dont. You just learnt the hard way. And if you dont learn from your mistakes, you're going to repeat them.
Leishent Caldari Captured Souls Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Leishent on 12/10/2006 14:04:04 I think the point is that you get info on who is putting ecm on you but not scrambeling/webbing you. Also scrambling doesnt give any visual hints such as the webbing glow. Oh yeah - you shouldn't have to rely on out-of game resources to play the game. As it is now you "have to" since vital information as scrambling isnt given to the player. Pre-made bookmark sets, click to visit
anister Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:04:00 - [10] Keep your log open, it'll tell you exactly what type of ship is scrambling you. Then just look for the type that has the blue rings pulsing towards your ship. ___
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Pestillence I can't find the info now but its always firgs in the lower missions. It will be the higher bounty frigs (25k-30k) generally merc wingmen and drones with the "strain" prefix will do it. Other factions have similar naming conventions of guys that can scramble, hopefully people will add them. Finally, npc's scrambling is not a bad idea. EvE was never intended to be a game with no consequences. You screw up, you die, it hurts! To use a cliche, you want no risk, then go and play WoW First: http://eveinfo.com/missions/112/eve-online-pirate-invasion But that isn't even the right mission - mine has 30+ enemies through 2 gates... It has around 15 frigs (15k) 10 Cruisers (60k) and 1-3 BC (130k) And I have said I dont mind the scramming, more the fact that it's not particuarly obvious which one it is... Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:09:00 - [12] Where do I find out which rats scram? im looking at the stats of the rats in the mission - but no cookie... And iirc then there weren't even any frigs left --- Im really not sure... Either way, If you dont get the cruisers/BC's first - your dead. Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:17:00 - [13] Just about every high-bounty (20k+) frigate has the potential to scramble you - if your ship has a drone bay, kill the frigs with drones while you work on the cruisers and BC with your main weapons. The problem may lie with your setup. Post a bit more info: your ship, setup and the type of rats you're facing and you should get some more detailed advice.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:20:00 - [14] the fault lies with the UI, when the spam is coming hot and heavy you dont even see the scramble message. imo we need a small window that works like the debuff window in fantasy MMOs except it shows what Ewar(scrams jams and webs) effects are on your ship, how many and by pointering the icon who/what is applying those effects.
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:23:00 - [15] Ferox 5 XR-3 2000 (??)Heavy assault launchers 1 MED Nos 1 tractor beam 2 large T2 shield extenders 3 passive resists (can't remember the types) 1 nanofiber 1 BCU 1 PDS 1 Shield flux coil Can't be bothered with drones... fighting Guristas pirates: Pithi Wrecker (approx 5) Pithi Destuctor ( "" ) Pithti Demolisher ( "" ) Pithium Murderer Pithium nullifier Pithium Killer Pithium Annihilator (about 4 of each) Pithiatis Assaulter (1) Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
EveNo	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:24:00 - [16] The fact that you cant tell which ship is doing gawd knows what to your ship still is juz plain lazzy on the part of whoever is desiging the UI in this game, theres so many "little" things such as this that common sense would suggest would be in game from day one..., but hey
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker the fault lies with the UI, when the spam is coming hot and heavy you dont even see the scramble message. imo we need a small window that works like the debuff window in fantasy MMOs except it shows what Ewar(scrams jams and webs) effects are on your ship, how many and by pointering the icon who/what is applying those effects. /Signed Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Phelan Boots Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Daravel You say Eveinfo? So I have to use a website to learn the game? Shouldn't I be able to find out EVERYTHING I need to know through the game? I shouldn't HAVE to research it at all. But saying that, yes, maybe I could have... Ah but since the site is compatable with the in game browser, it IS in the game. Cheers. Quote: info It's not a good idea to place an Exotic Dancer in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancer will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:28:00 - [19] I'm afraid the fault lies here: Originally by: Daravel Can't be bothered with drones...
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Phelan Boots Originally by: Daravel You say Eveinfo? So I have to use a website to learn the game? Shouldn't I be able to find out EVERYTHING I need to know through the game? I shouldn't HAVE to research it at all. But saying that, yes, maybe I could have... Ah but since the site is compatable with the in game browser, it IS in the game. Cheers. Does CCP own EVEinfo? No. It's not a game feature. Don't get smart. Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Daravel on 12/10/2006 14:31:43 Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant I'm afraid the fault lies here: Originally by: Daravel Can't be bothered with drones... The skills that would be in drones are in missiles/shielding. Just because it has a drone bay, doesn't mean it has to be used. And anyway - thats besides the point, I have no trobule killing the enemy (I only had to warp because I tried a new tactic) - The issue is that you don't know who/when you are warp scrammed. Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:35:00 - [22] Nonsense. If you don't use the drone bay, you're not utilising the full capability of the ship, so its not a surprise if it underperforms. Anyway, you do know when you're scrambled as I and several others have said. Keep the log open and disable combat messages, then it'll tell you what is scrambling you so you can at least narrow it down. Then, look for those blue pulses. I do agree however that we could do with an effects bar of some sort, both for PVP and PVE, that tells you which ship has which effect on you. Have posted about it in the past.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:40:00 - [23] There's nothing unfair in EVE. Even the most worst case isn't unfair because that's the reason why EVE is great. Be happy that NPC's will not pod you *;-) You can expect that the frigs which intercept you fast are the ones which web/scramble. Presidente Gallente
Leo Josemi Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:41:00 - [24] OK it's been said twice already in this thread but I'm not sure if you picked up on it. Warp scrambling has a graphic. It looks like blue rings eminating from the ship towards yours. All you have to do is find that ship and kill it. As far as I know only 1 or 2 actually warp scramble you (I could be wrong) so it shouldn't be a problem. You should have enough tank to take a few seconds and find the warp scrambling ship right away. If you don't, you may be in over your head. You could also fit WCS. Their are ways to deal with it. You do have to work in this game to get the rewards. Keep your chin up and you'll be wasting them in no time
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/10/2006 14:45:26 omg, actually losing ships in pve, RISK !!! OHNOES !!! Yes, the npc's can scramble, I really dont get why only a few of them do in all honesty. Imo starting up from lvl 3 missions and into lvl 4 allso cruiser should have scrambling ability, but the cycling time should be higher (like one minute), and only two at random at a time should be scrambling (-2 each). p.s., hint: it's always the frigs with the high bounties. Old blog
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Rod Blaine omg, actually losing ships in pve, RISK !!! OHNOES !!! Did I ever say anything to that effect? Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Leishent Caldari Captured Souls Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Leo Josemi Warp scrambling has a graphic. It looks like blue rings eminating from the ship towards yours. Ok so we have another aspect to it all. Your graphical settings dictates what information you get as a player. I know the same can be said for webbing/nos/neut/(remote)repping etc. But the point is that your graphical settings affects game play and it should not imho. All those stuff should have graphical representation in the UI some how. Pre-made bookmark sets, click to visit
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:46:00 - [28] i dont use the drone bay on my raven, yet. but in my plans i have to be able to in the future at a minimum use T2 of each drone type. for now if i expect alot of frigates in a lvl 4 i sorta cheat and bring in my alt with his Thrasher(7 named Autocannons, rocket launcher AB and a web and dual named gyros) and well he just shreads even the mighty regening angels webifier.
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:54:00 - [29] After being scrambled by NPCs for the first time - in a level 3 mission, I take a couple of precautions. 1 - If in doubt about the mission fit 1 wcs. One does not hurt my setups much and its better then risking the Raven or ferox 2 - Any frigate with a special name gets hit early - "loyal" Sanshas, "Dire" Guristas, "Arch" Blood raiders seem the main culprits for scrambling. I guess the pattern will extend to the other factions. 3- Never waste the drone bay. Learning basic drone skills to deal with scrambling frigates takes almost 0 time. I had none when I first met these guys, since picking up a few basic drone skills (nothing above 3)I have much less trouble with them. That says a box or flashing notice telling you ou are currently scrambled by X would help.
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler 2 - Any frigate with a special name gets hit early - "loyal" Sanshas, "Dire" Guristas, "Arch" Blood raiders seem the main culprits for scrambling. I guess the pattern will extend to the other factions. No 'Dire' Guristas even in the room - let alone alive to kill me... As I said earlier, I dont even think there were any frigates left alive - but that is most certainly wrong... however, thanks for the tips on which ones are the scramming gits. Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake

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