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Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin FYI: Rat scrams don't stack. They can place only 1 point on you, regardless of how many they are. 1 WCS is enough. Wrong, we've just been through this in the missions section. Do you think they queue up to take turns scrambling or something?
Scipio Primipilus	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:57:00 - [62] If you cant handle the missions without warping out you are in above your head anyway. Besides, how hard is it to research a mission beforehand to develop a tactic? Once you know wich rats scramble you, its a matter of seconds before they die if you do it right. Bah, whiners.
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Scipio Primipilus If you cant handle the missions without warping out you are in above your head anyway. Besides, how hard is it to research a mission beforehand to develop a tactic? Once you know wich rats scramble you, its a matter of seconds before they die if you do it right. Bah, whiners. Have you read what I even said? I have no problem with them scrambling me... Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Tobias Sjodin FYI: Rat scrams don't stack. They can place only 1 point on you, regardless of how many they are. 1 WCS is enough. Wrong, we've just been through this in the missions section. Do you think they queue up to take turns scrambling or something? Well explain to me how my hauler could leave from a belt, using one stab, being scrambled by three rats. ^^ Did two of them have a malfunction at the time? [ore mongers, recruiting]
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Well explain to me how my hauler could leave from a belt, using one stab, being scrambled by three rats. ^^ Did two of them have a malfunction at the time? Its chance-based because PvE needs to be as riskless as possible. One succeeded, two failed.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:14:00 - [66] Quote: If you don't use the drone bay, you're not utilising the full capability of the ship, so its not a surprise if it underperforms. Except for that charming feature where every ship agros the moment you launch your drones. When NPCs scram it does not last long. Keep trying to warp out. If you live long enough you can get out. Missions can be just as dangerous as piracy if you don't read up on them before hand. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:15:00 - [67] Originally by: MrTripps Missions can be just as dangerous as piracy if you're autistic. Fixed that one for you.
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:36:00 - [68] ahhh yes, in the midst of deadspace, now thats a good one, DO NOT go into, i think it was part 4? with the gate you have to attack, in like ten seconds or a fleet will come through, with less than 3 stabs. i had two, was watching the slow moving fleet come toward me (it must be noted at the time i did this mission i warped into nothing, 2 minutes later everything popped into being and i was being pounded on, standard lag bug so beware) 2 jakars and the rest of the ships, not even in anyones database yet. i was thinking all cruisers and 3 bs, standard fight, i was fit properly or so i thought, it began with my targetting a jakar, i KNEW they scamble all the time, what i wasnt prepared for was the CRUISERS scramming me. with 2 stabs i figured if i got in trouble i was good, not. i targeted the nearest cruisers and began detroying them, closest first as they usually scramble, all the while watching my very very good shield tank slowly, well not that slowly, go away. into armor, still cant warp, starting to worry a bit, 8 cruisers down still can warp jakars are here, starting into structure, still a gobstopper of cruisers, i retarget some hovering at 13k kill two, i warp half structure. nice scary fight (i didnt go back and cancelled mission, a couple friends shield and or armor repping/transferring the main tank could do this room easily, i dont reccomend solo though, it is a diff room). i really couldnt say if 3 stabs would have been enough. also, the bc's were doing 100's through doubled em and therm shields. that was 3 weeks ago, NO ONE has these ships in their databases yet, except the jakars. use of alot of scrammers by npc's, priceless.
defiler Caldari Mad Hermit	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:43:00 - [69] Originally by: MrTripps Quote: If you don't use the drone bay, you're not utilising the full capability of the ship, so its not a surprise if it underperforms. Except for that charming feature where every ship agros the moment you launch your drones. Well, that sort of depends... In some missions it agros every single spawn (and when that kind of danger rears its ugly head it's usually time to bravely run away), in other missions all the other spawns will happily sit and watch the stars while your drones fight another spawn as close as 20-30km. I bet there's a comprehensive list or three somewhere of which missions are "safe" in this respect, but I don't know where. Most (all?) Caldari L4 missions with Blood rats are safe anyway... Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:56:00 - [70] Just kill everything, then there is nothing left to scram you, always worked fine for me.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Complacency's Bane Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Well explain to me how my hauler could leave from a belt, using one stab, being scrambled by three rats. ^^ Did two of them have a malfunction at the time? Its chance-based because PvE needs to be as riskless as possible. One succeeded, two failed. This sounds like a reasonable explanation to my experience. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Skooney Gallente Universal Agencies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:23:00 - [72] Sounds like you just learned a lesson in EVE! Now you come on the forums and whine! Want some cheese? Alot of people have offered you good ideas, and explanations and you have done nothing but been negative. So ROFLMA! Better luck next time! The one thing I always dis-liked about missions/NPC Rats, is you know what damage they do, and how to tank it. It should be completely random! Universal Agencies www.rlelectric.ca/ua.htm
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:25:00 - [73] Edited by: Daravel on 12/10/2006 19:25:20 Originally by: Skooney Sounds like you just learned a lesson in EVE! Now you come on the forums and whine! Want some cheese? Alot of people have offered you good ideas, and explanations and you have done nothing but been negative. So ROFLMA! Better luck next time! The one thing I always dis-liked about missions/NPC Rats, is you know what damage they do, and how to tank it. It should be completely random! When have I been negative? I have thanked a few people for their suggestions, and have aknowledged many others... I haven't actually whined, more ranted. And not because I died. Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Dolly Parton	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:33:00 - [74] He who doesn't use www.eveinfo.com deserves to die over and over again on missions. I have a few mission running corp mates that ask me every mission. Can I do lvl 4 Angel Extravaganza in Amarr Apoc? hmm lets see here ... NO there is a reason why its one if not the best eve-help site out there
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Dolly Parton He who doesn't use www.eveinfo.com deserves to die over and over again on missions. I have a few mission running corp mates that ask me every mission. Can I do lvl 4 Angel Extravaganza in Amarr Apoc? hmm lets see here ... NO there is a reason why its one if not the best eve-help site out there So your telling me, the only way to succeed at EVE's high end missions is to use a player create website? Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Skooney Gallente Universal Agencies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:39:00 - [76] Edited by: Skooney on 12/10/2006 19:40:33 "I haven't actually whined, more ranted. And not because I died." - Call it what ever you want. - You ranted because you did not know. So you want someone to blame. - You feel that the information should be in game and you should not have to research for yourslef. Even though people have spent countless hours putting together resources so your 5 minutes of effort, could save your ship. - Some of you feel that the UI is messed up, and that CCP has it wrong - Had you done some research you would have known that you can turn messages on and off. YES you need both or the other half would be "ranting" - You do not have all the skills to protect yourself. I love this to: "I didn't know I was scrambled until I tried to warp, and there was not a thing I could do about it. Theres 30 ships on the overview, how do I know which ship it was?" SAME THREAD "Ok, maybe I know that you can be scrambled, but my only defense is to use Stabs - and how many?" Nothing you can do or only use stabs? "NPC's scrambling is a stupid idea, as when there are that many of them, you can't tell who it is, and you cant kill them." - You can tell who it is, and you can ALWAYS kill them. Cheese? tbh - I do feel bad for you, it is your attitude that I do not like, and in turn prompted me to comment on this thread. "Take responsibility for YOUR actions, and no-action is still action!" I used to do missions, I have lost, 2 Brutix, 2 Dominix, 1 Megathron, and with saying that - ALWAYS be carefull after an update, as missions tend to change from time to time. Universal Agencies www.rlelectric.ca/ua.htm
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:36:00 - [77] Smartbomb is your friend. -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:55:00 - [78] Edited by: Druadan on 12/10/2006 20:56:21 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker the fault lies with the UI, when the spam is coming hot and heavy you dont even see the scramble message. imo we need a small window that works like the debuff window in fantasy MMOs except it shows what Ewar(scrams jams and webs) effects are on your ship, how many and by pointering the icon who/what is applying those effects. QFT, agreed, seconded, <insert every other statement of support you can think of>. This would be a brilliant idea. I'd like this before any of the Kali stuff, tbh... that can wait. [EDIT: Two years... why am I still an exclamation mark?] __________________________________________________ "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:38:00 - [79] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 12/10/2006 21:38:37 Originally by: Daravel Originally by: Dolly Parton He who doesn't use www.eveinfo.com deserves to die over and over again on missions. I have a few mission running corp mates that ask me every mission. Can I do lvl 4 Angel Extravaganza in Amarr Apoc? hmm lets see here ... NO there is a reason why its one if not the best eve-help site out there So your telling me, the only way to succeed at EVE's high end missions is to use a player create website? Of course. Just like it is with almost every game out there where neither manual nor ingame info tell the whole story. Be happy that it is for free and realtively accurate and not some stupid Prima Guide that costs 15 bucks and feeds you faulty info from the game in its alpha-stage... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Daravel Can't be bothered with drones... I know you've already accepted you may need this but just to make sure. I can't believe you even consider going against frigates in anything above a cruiser without medium drones. Tech 2 are a long way off but you definitely need some and don't forget to carry the correct damage type. 4 tech 1 mediums may not be able to take a 30k frigate so a webber maybe useful if you can fit it. --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Daravel Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:29:00 - [81] Edited by: Daravel on 13/10/2006 08:29:03 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 12/10/2006 21:38:37 Originally by: Daravel So your telling me, the only way to succeed at EVE's high end missions is to use a player create website? Of course. Just like it is with almost every game out there where neither manual nor ingame info tell the whole story. Be happy that it is for free and realtively accurate and not some stupid Prima Guide that costs 15 bucks and feeds you faulty info from the game in its alpha-stage... Your comment legitimises my whole thread. If CCP were to hold that stance, then I would know I was allowed to rant here. I accept that the best source of mission information is not the game/manual, which just makes the point. The game should allow you to find out all you need to now, to prevent losses (not saying they shouldn't happen - but you should always have the ability to NOT lose anything) Originally by: Orri Sarikusa Originally by: Daravel Can't be bothered with drones... I know you've already accepted you may need this but just to make sure. I can't believe you even consider going against frigates in anything above a cruiser without medium drones. Tech 2 are a long way off but you definitely need some and don't forget to carry the correct damage type. 4 tech 1 mediums may not be able to take a 30k frigate so a webber maybe useful if you can fit it. Ok I have to warp out on the odd occasion on this mission, and I did so on another - these are the 1.3mill reward, 1299 LP giving missions, which appear to me to be the top, level 3's. I can do pirate invasion without warpin out, just depends who I kill first. So, I don't see a major flaw in my setup. Instead of 300-500k in drones, those SP now sit in shields/missiles... Does it balance out? Who knows. But the setup works fine Can I Have Your Stuff? Originally by: Sakura Nihil Just wanted to make sure the guy didn't turn into floating goo due to our mistake
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Daravel Ferox 5 XR-3 2000 (??)Heavy assault launchers 1 MED Nos 1 tractor beam 2 large T2 shield extenders 3 passive resists (can't remember the types) 1 nanofiber 1 BCU 1 PDS 1 Shield flux coil Can't be bothered with drones... Because nobody else has commented on your setup - why on earth do you have a nosferatu fitted to your ship and no modules (except for the tractor beam) to use that capacitor you've just drained? And you do know that rats have unlimited capacitor with regard to firing their weapons? If you're fighting guristas, then you should be packing kinetic and thermal resists - one single ship setup will not get you through every mission. Are you fitting Heavy Launchers or Assault Launchers? You're not clear in your post. If you're fitting all heavies, then you will need something to take care of smaller ships, IE drones. If you're fitting some/all assault launchers, then you need something to give you a bit extra DPS - drones again, or change out that nosferatu for 250mm rail A single nanofibre will not help the ferox become more agile to any significant degree. I'd chuck it and fit a PDS/BCU instead. Passive tanking with a Shield Flux Coil is a very bad idea. A Shield Power Relay is a far better idea or even another PDS. You may want to consider the idea of having a secondary ship for looting rather than gimp your combat ship setup with a tractor beam. I find a Cormorant with an AB/MWD and 5 tractor beams does the job admirably (and the only real use I can find for a Cormorant).
Kinomoto Sakura Amarr Turanic Raiders	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Thommy Something like this should be added, interpretion on how the end result will be open for developers / graphic experts. Image: Jamming indicator That looks good ---------------- Game The World.

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