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Scrofalitic One
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:08:00 -
[61]
My one encounter with them they jumped thourgh a gate, out numbered, into their own dictor bubble to engage us.
We lost 3 BS, and killed only 1.
I learned a lot from that fight and working out what the hell I had done wrong afterwards :)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 12:32:00 -
[62]
Burn Eden smack because they want to hide the fact that they're fluffy and nice IRL.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:01:00 -
[63]
Only encounter I've had with them was when they were exploiting the grid in HED-GP. A GM called them on it, and Evil Pookie started complaining in local for the GMs to "fix their system".
And then when we were having trouble with our alliance holding corp being hacked away from us, Satan posted a comment (which was soon deleted) stating that he was surprised we didn't petition that BE did it. This was only a few days after we petitioned the grid issue, which is pretty childish. So my opinion of them went from "smart gankers" to "childish exploiters." So their forum antics, and their attitude gain them a lot of their reputation as well.
That being said, they're good at what they do. Their ravens do a lot of damage, and if you're caught off-guard, you're in a lot of trouble. If you're trying to kill them, you will quickly become frustrated. If you're trying to get away, you only need to be perceptive and you will have no problem.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:03:00 -
[64]
I may dislike some members of BE, but I don't hate them. Granted, their excessive albeit exaggerated use of WCS is surely annoying, but not the main reason for my dislike. The bad experiences I have are mostly displays of arrogance, lack of modesty and lack of respect for others.
Obviously this only concerns some members - most notably fragm/thedragoon, and as such I'm not informed enough to make a generalisation of the whole corp. I can understand why BE members' relationship with the rest of the community is easily damaged or hindered by the image and reputation heavily painted by few people, and trying to leave a positive impression from an already defensive and predispositionally disliked position may be difficult.
My view of Shin Ra has become more positive in the last year or so, and in general I think BE appear less smacky than they used to.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:17:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 13:17:25
 Originally by: Helganstandt
Only encounter I've had with them was when they were exploiting the grid in HED-GP. A GM called them on it, and Evil Pookie started complaining in local for the GMs to "fix their system".
And then when we were having trouble with our alliance holding corp being hacked away from us, Satan posted a comment (which was soon deleted) stating that he was surprised we didn't petition that BE did it. This was only a few days after we petitioned the grid issue, which is pretty childish. So my opinion of them went from "smart gankers" to "childish exploiters." So their forum antics, and their attitude gain them a lot of their reputation as well.
That being said, they're good at what they do. Their ravens do a lot of damage, and if you're caught off-guard, you're in a lot of trouble. If you're trying to kill them, you will quickly become frustrated. If you're trying to get away, you only need to be perceptive and you will have no problem.
This is the series of events that took place:
1) Our interdictor creats a bookmark 200km above SV5 gate in HED and distributes it to corp
2) A few hours later, we see you guys coming, we launch a interdictor sphere and warp in to the spot 200km above HED gate. But we are off grif.
3) We warp out to planet
4) We warp back in at 100km above the gate (again dictor recently made this spot).
5) By this time most of you are out of the bubble.
6) We start locking, firing, dampening, doing our thing. I think u all got out.
7) You allegedly could not see us on overview
8) You petition us
9) GM warns us for exploiting
10) Evil Pookie convos GM explain what happened
11) GM revokes the warning and asks for a copy of bookmarks which we supply to him.
12) GM says he will investigate.
13) You alliance continues to all us exploiting "teleporters".
14) You make smacky forum post
15) I reply, shooting you down.
16) You end up looking stupid.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:19:00 -
[66]
I've flown both with them and against them.
All I can say is this:
They can be the best of allies
Or the most tormenting enemies.
I have nothing but respect to them.
To some who think they know how and why BE does what they do.
Think again.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:26:00 -
[67]
I think everyone is just jealous ;)
BE us a very unique brand of tactics for their Ravens (WCS+Damps+Boosters). They are also very disciplined in what they do.
It's like in CS. People who can;'t headshot call those who can 'cheaters'.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:32:00 -
[68]
Burn Eden use less stabs then most alliances ive fought  . Theyr raven setup only involves 2 stabs. 
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 13:32:00 -
[69]
I wouldn't say I dislike them. It's just that all those little failed publicity stunts sort of killed off any respect I might have.
Mind you, they've proven themself to be good at harassing large alliances.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:11:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 14:16:01
Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 13:17:25
Originally by: Helganstandt
Only encounter I've had with them was when they were exploiting the grid in HED-GP. A GM called them on it, and Evil Pookie started complaining in local for the GMs to "fix their system".
And then when we were having trouble with our alliance holding corp being hacked away from us, Satan posted a comment (which was soon deleted) stating that he was surprised we didn't petition that BE did it. This was only a few days after we petitioned the grid issue, which is pretty childish. So my opinion of them went from "smart gankers" to "childish exploiters." So their forum antics, and their attitude gain them a lot of their reputation as well.
That being said, they're good at what they do. Their ravens do a lot of damage, and if you're caught off-guard, you're in a lot of trouble. If you're trying to kill them, you will quickly become frustrated. If you're trying to get away, you only need to be perceptive and you will have no problem.
This is the series of events that took place:
1) Our interdictor creats a bookmark 200km above SV5 gate in HED and distributes it to corp
2) A few hours later, we see you guys coming, we launch a interdictor sphere and warp in to the spot 200km above HED gate. But we are off grif.
3) We warp out to planet
4) We warp back in at 100km above the gate (again dictor recently made this spot).
5) By this time most of you are out of the bubble.
6) We start locking, firing, dampening, doing our thing. I think u all got out.
7) You allegedly could not see us on overview
8) You petition us
9) GM warns us for exploiting
10) Evil Pookie convos GM explain what happened
11) GM revokes the warning and asks for a copy of bookmarks which we supply to him.
12) GM says he will investigate.
13) You alliance continues to all us exploiting "teleporters".
14) You make smacky forum post
15) I reply, shooting you down.
16) You end up looking stupid.
Better series of events.
1.) We have evidence of you doing this 3 weeks prior to this incident(including a fraps).
2.) We petition the GM's
3.) BE claims "Oh, we didn't know" Nothing gets done about it.
3.) We see you doing it again, we petition again, and the GM's actually do something about it.
4.) BE complains "Oh, we didn't know."
5.) Forum smack wars continue.
Edit: One of our members did make a pretty long-winded post that was soon deleted by the GM's. Other than that we really haven't complained about it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you, and the reason is your attitude. Your post is just proving my point.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:23:00 -
[71]
Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.
Quote:
"Don't touch the red button!"
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:25:00 -
[72]
Well, if u try to blob them, they will ofcource run away(..iiiif they know ure skilled. If not, they'll stay put and kill u all). Countering them is easy enough. Its a matter of who is the fastest locker. If there are 2 dampener ravens(usually are), the most effective way is to assign targets as such as u lock them both at the same time and dampen them back. U wont be able to kill them, but u'll atleast prevent them from killing u I've tried to attack at 200km, still got dampened, so they obvioulsy(atleast Ets4me) have some insane dampening skills...prolly maxed out.
A gistii fitted dictor with a pilot that has something like a full set of snake implants could prolly tackle them, but ull have to be damned fast! I've tried tackle them in a ceptor, but javelins get u no matter what u fly. So yes, had Ets4me tackled for a nanosecond.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:31:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.
I've gotten over it. the GM's did something about it; I'm satisfied. I just don't appreciate being accused of not knowing the events though, and being called stupid for it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you guys.
And yes, we do have proof in both cases in the form of fraps. I may however be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that *maybe* the first BE member we saw do this in late August gave you guys the bookmarks and didn't inform you of the exploit. And maybe pookie is truly innocent and didn't know better.
I just doubt that's what happened, and my opinion has changed of you guys because of it. I don't really consider that dwelling on the past, I just know what to expect in the future now.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:31:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
Well, if u try to blob them, they will ofcource run away(..iiiif they know ure skilled. If not, they'll stay put and kill u all).
Oh so if you were blobbed, you wouldn't run away? I mean come on now, can we get some common sense in this thread :)
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:53:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 14:56:40
Originally by: Helganstandt
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.
I've gotten over it. the GM's did something about it; I'm satisfied. I just don't appreciate being accused of not knowing the events though, and being called stupid for it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you guys.
And yes, we do have proof in both cases in the form of fraps. I may however be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that *maybe* the first BE member we saw do this in late August gave you guys the bookmarks and didn't inform you of the exploit. And maybe pookie is truly innocent and didn't know better.
I just doubt that's what happened, and my opinion has changed of you guys because of it. I don't really consider that dwelling on the past, I just know what to expect in the future now.
The bookmarks we used in the most recent fight were created on the same day the fight took place.
If there was any merit to your theory then we would have recieved warnings or bans, which we haven't. This despite you having "proof" of it. Furthermore, even if this were true, I was under the impression that if you were both on the same grid then you could both see and lock eachother. To my knowledge there is no way that we could have seen on overview and at the same time you not being able to see us?
I could be wrong, there could actually be a bug here. If you have the fraps, I'd really like to see it. So upload it to eve files plz.
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.10.13 14:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
Well, if u try to blob them, they will ofcource run away(..iiiif they know ure skilled. If not, they'll stay put and kill u all).
Oh so if you were blobbed, you wouldn't run away? I mean come on now, can we get some common sense in this thread :)
I forgot to add...who wouldnt. Like in. "If u try to blob them, they will run away..who wouldnt", comprende?" Like in: "I'm with ASCN and we tried to get them with our 50 bs's pluss support, and those ebil bastards ran. BE is soo lame, they dont fight fair at all", context. Do. You. Understand. Questionmark.
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Guttenschtanter
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:00:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Guttenschtanter on 13/10/2006 15:04:26
recopied this post below. Mods delete this post please.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:01:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:04:54
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:02:25
^^^ sorry, Guttenschtanter is my alt. Forums settings got screwed up.
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Helganstandt
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.
I've gotten over it. the GM's did something about it; I'm satisfied. I just don't appreciate being accused of not knowing the events though, and being called stupid for it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you guys.
And yes, we do have proof in both cases in the form of fraps. I may however be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that *maybe* the first BE member we saw do this in late August gave you guys the bookmarks and didn't inform you of the exploit. And maybe pookie is truly innocent and didn't know better.
I just doubt that's what happened, and my opinion has changed of you guys because of it. I don't really consider that dwelling on the past, I just know what to expect in the future now.
The bookmarks we used in the most recent fight were created on the same day the fight took place.
If there was any merit to your theory then we would have recieved warnings or bans, which we haven't.
Now you're just baiting me to try to say the GM's didn't do their job. Which I'm not going to do, they handled it, I'm fine with that.
If you're serious though, try to look at it from our point of view: We see a BE member using what appears to be a grid exploit. We petition, get convos from the BE member in questions asking if we "managed to fraps it" and then he claims he didn't know. We see the exact same thing happen 3 weeks later and react accordingly. We're not petition crazy, and the GM's have a lot of other things to deal with, so I understand why your members wouldn't have been banned for this.
Fact is, you recieved a written warning, and you guys aren't going to do it again. If you'd like me to try to persue this issue further, I'd be more than happy to though.
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Death Embraced
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:01:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Trina Tron
becuse they suck at photoshop
i lol 'ed at that 1
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heidrun
Black Nebula Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:02:00 -
[80]
isnt shin ra the liar,that makes up fake screenshot??.must assume all they say is a lie anyway so who cares what they say
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:07:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 14:56:40
Furthermore, even if this were true, I was under the impression that if you were both on the same grid then you could both see and lock eachother. To my knowledge there is no way that we could have seen on overview and at the same time you not being able to see us?
I could be wrong, there could actually be a bug here. If you have the fraps, I'd really like to see it. So upload it to eve files plz.
I'll ask the member who has it to upload it, and will eve-mail you ingame when it is there.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:19:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Helganstandt
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:15:22
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:11:14
Originally by: Shin Ra
Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 14:56:40
Furthermore, even if this were true, I was under the impression that if you were both on the same grid then you could both see and lock eachother. To my knowledge there is no way that we could have seen on overview and at the same time you not being able to see us?
I could be wrong, there could actually be a bug here. If you have the fraps, I'd really like to see it. So upload it to eve files plz.
I'll ask the member who has it to upload it, and will eve-mail you ingame when it is there.
edit: I'm not going to guarantee that they'll be willing to though. You guys also have a habit of trying to manipulate media to your advantage. I believe we've already sent the fraps to the GM's though so they can troubleshoot the problem. The issue was that while you guys could target and see us, we could only see an outline of you attacking us. One minute we're targetting you even with your damps on, the next you guys dissappear from the grid and missles are still flying at us, and we're still being damped.
Plz do upload it or send it to me.
For the record, after Evil Pookie convoed the GM, he withdrew the warning completly.
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:25:00 -
[83]
It's simple, there not fun to fight!
No smack needed it's a simple fact.
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:28:00 -
[84]
START BUYING SHARES IN BACOFOIL I HAVE THE SCOOP!
We are quite similar in that we're uber, but you got a much better chance of killing a Celes pilot than a BE pilot as for starters theres more of us. This also means we tend to take on bigger stuff though.
BE still make mistakes as we all do every now and then. Queue Renox with a 4-point Domi please
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:01:00 -
[85]
People may hate Burn Eden, but the fact is they use the same tools and tactics available to anyone else.
They're doing something right, simple as that.
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GitP CEO & Founder
GitP Recruitment Thread |
Beringe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:04:00 -
[86]
Paying attention to Burn Eden is so 2004.
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"Never underestimate the power of language."
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:25:00 -
[87]
BE do very well with ther kind of playing, they do like the long range dampy dampy , then send in a frig /stabbed thron tackler, they do it very well. If u havnt faced combat and u meet these guys exspect to go ffs cant u , someone .. Im down ect ect, once u get used to the way they play its not too hard to avoide losses but ull have to wrok at it. On the down side compared to some of the other good pvp corps I flown/fought with they only stick to there kind of tacktics and dont like fighting outside that box, which leaves them stuck in that box (its a good one if u like the little risk big chance of a kill fight) and sertainly will get up ur nose if your trying to kill them, its just ,... well I Ive played with those kind of tackticks and nice to do it but theres alot more fun to be had with other methods. They are one of the only corpse to come along and show me something new and I havnt had the pleasure of battle with them for a while.,... would be fun to see how they do these days but I belive there a bit low on numbers? not that that makes too much difference when the pilots have the skills. I do remeber busting a mining/npc op of theres and feeling really really happy about it cos they had been a pain pimping people in 9cg before using 3 ravens with dampners (trying to kill avernus) but we had herd the tacktick so waited with most guns close range and sure enough got av to warp out just as theysent in a close range thron to tackle him, we stripped the thron to hull and they left again,,, thats the kind of battle they used to go for way back when fix was new and nooby. Evil. 
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swordslasher
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:08:00 -
[88]
Edited by: swordslasher on 13/10/2006 17:08:06
Originally by: SwindonBadger
BE do very well with ther kind of playing, they do like the long range dampy dampy , then send in a frig /stabbed thron tackler, they do it very well. If u havnt faced combat and u meet these guys exspect to go ffs cant u , someone .. Im down ect ect, once u get used to the way they play its not too hard to avoide losses but ull have to wrok at it. On the down side compared to some of the other good pvp corps I flown/fought with they only stick to there kind of tacktics and dont like fighting outside that box, which leaves them stuck in that box (its a good one if u like the little risk big chance of a kill fight) and sertainly will get up ur nose if your trying to kill them, its just ,... well I Ive played with those kind of tackticks and nice to do it but theres alot more fun to be had with other methods. They are one of the only corpse to come along and show me something new and I havnt had the pleasure of battle with them for a while.,... would be fun to see how they do these days but I belive there a bit low on numbers? not that that makes too much difference when the pilots have the skills. I do remeber busting a mining/npc op of theres and feeling really really happy about it cos they had been a pain pimping people in 9cg before using 3 ravens with dampners (trying to kill avernus) but we had herd the tacktick so waited with most guns close range and sure enough got av to warp out just as theysent in a close range thron to tackle him, we stripped the thron to hull and they left again,,, thats the kind of battle they used to go for way back when fix was new and nooby. Evil.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:40:00 -
[89]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: SATAN
Frag never ripped anyone off, he had a personality conflict along with myself and the rest of the UDIE gang with the leaders of TPS like Cao Cao(Pick up your guns, pick up your guns). Frag may be many things but he would never rip anyone off, he is the type of person that would give you his last cupcake.
I guess i just heard that story so many times i assumed it was true. That + you guys tried to overthrow your corp. Guess not. My bad
Btw - I totally blame you for getting our ASCN forum access revoked. You werent suposed to make posts with it. bastard.
Sorry about that, Frag was drunk one night and posted like a tool. We have since taken away all of Frags access to any covert forum access.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.10.13 17:41:00 -
[90]
they dont blob
and
they kill ppl
for their setups...everything can be countered, and if u dunno how to do it , its not their fault ;p
one of rare corps that have + standings in meh eyes.
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