Originally by: Diablique

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They are highly effective aand nearly impossible to counter, and the best small unit PvP force you'll find in eve.

Ya, it's envy.

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Originally by: lazyb22

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Originally by: Diablique

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They are highly effective aand nearly impossible to counter, and the best small unit PvP force you'll find in eve.

Ya, it's envy.

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My one experience with them the above is true. You can counter em it just takes patience or luck.

THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT.

Jealousy is my guess.

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Originally by: Droewa

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i have nothing aginst them but was wondering where all the bad blood came from. just wanted to get a bit of history on these guys and why the majority of the comunity seems to dislike them.

please be civil.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Most of the hating is because they are very hard to kill and annoying to fight. It started with fragm ripping off his old corp and then gloating about it (SOA i think, cant remember). Then it continued with Sol, Shin, kickass, and frag griefing people with WCS/dampener filled ravens. At that time WCS's were considered to be a modual only used by noobs. No one besides them with any pvp skills used them on any ship. WCS use was much more rare and a bigger deal back then if anyone used them. It was precieved as being just as bad as logging off during fights to save your ship/pod.

Thats where it started. BE has continued to unapologetically grief, WCS *****, lie, steal, brag, create problems for no reason, and generaly be complete scumbags. Their image has never changed for that reason. Gotta love em for it.

BE 4tw

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Typical BoB response to anything better than them. jeez. Love us or Hate us we do what we do, and do it well.
Be it jealousy or frustration to as why some hate us, I dont know. We dont hate any of our sheep 8).

WildCat

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Originally by: swordslasher

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Best counter to burn eden is T1 frigates and interceptors.

They log every time.


No kidding, I've FC'ed a gang more than once with nothing but AF's and interceptors, zerg rush burn eden at 200km and they warp away and log off.

Scared they're going to take a loss, something else about how they keep their dictor piloting alts out of Burn Eden as well, seeing as the dictors die so often.

Burn Eden? pfft. smoldering is more like it, burn eden is a fire quickly dispatched with a urine firehose.

BE ganks the stupid and incompitent - I've told Evil Pookie and the lot of em many times myself that they've never killed me, and they never will, and even while they were wandering around QBH5 and AZN, whilst I was hauling everything I move from AZN to 68FT (corp/alliance change) - they were still incapable of doing it.

The best defense is common sense and perception, keep your eyes open, ask for intel, don't fly solo in a hauler and you won't die to stupid gankers.

That's all now.

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Originally by: GO MaZ

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Yeah, the alt-corp dictors are pushing it a little

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: swordslasher

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Best counter to burn eden is T1 frigates and interceptors.

They log every time.


No kidding, I've FC'ed a gang more than once with nothing but AF's and interceptors, zerg rush burn eden at 200km and they warp away and log off.

Scared they're going to take a loss, something else about how they keep their dictor piloting alts out of Burn Eden as well, seeing as the dictors die so often.

Burn Eden? pfft. smoldering is more like it, burn eden is a fire quickly dispatched with a urine firehose.

BE ganks the stupid and incompitent - I've told Evil Pookie and the lot of em many times myself that they've never killed me, and they never will, and even while they were wandering around QBH5 and AZN, whilst I was hauling everything I move from AZN to 68FT (corp/alliance change) - they were still incapable of doing it.

The best defense is common sense and perception, keep your eyes open, ask for intel, don't fly solo in a hauler and you won't die to stupid gankers.

That's all now.

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Thanks for the 3 billion in mins you delivered us in the 2 hauler runs, please keep the smack up.

PS. Didnt we kill your gang every time? And didnt we kill your alt?

PSS. A ceptor doing 5.5k/sec at 300km out is a brilliant strat against us.

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Originally by: Santiago Cortes

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*Locked*

Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.

Whining remains perfectly acceptable.

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Typical BoB response to anything better than them. jeez. Love us or Hate us we do what we do, and do it well.
Be it jealousy or frustration to as why some hate us, I dont know. We dont hate any of our sheep 8).

WildCat

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Originally by: Nahual

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They follow game rules, but you'll never get a fair fight out of them. I would say people like them aren't welcome in a game like eve, one where they take the i-win buttons and just keep hammering for months upon months (where's the skill ), but thats the game eve is today...

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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Swordslasher: you sir ar correct. You single handedly thwarted our efforts to tend to our flock of sheep. You single handedly defended the entire ascn alliance from the nasty burn eden infadels. You are correct in ever thing you say, we are of no consequence, we did not make 7bil isk from loot in our 2 weeks in ascn. We did not kill any battleships in ascn, there are no tanks in bagdad!

you are an angry little man howling at the moon.

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Originally by: swordslasher

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you will warp off at even the slightest hint of a force that could hold you down and slaughter you.

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Originally by: Droewa

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Every time i see these guys mentioned in the forums or hear people talk of them on TS they are smacking them. BE was the first group i ever came across and got a chance to shoot at in 0.0. i have nothing aginst them but was wondering where all the bad blood came from. just wanted to get a bit of history on these guys and why the majority of the comunity seems to dislike them.

please be civil.

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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I wish majority of the community hated me. It's a honor to have that feeling. Why look at it in as a bad thing? I don't kill people to be loved! Much respect to BE and all the other corps doing there own thing.

<3 TPS

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Originally by: Nahual

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lol sword interesting story!

BE well, they think they're cool coz they can use damps stabs and snipe you at 200km. They like their game play, they just keep rotating around the map once a group of people they're trying to kill figure out how to counter them. That combined with them thinking they're god makes them very annoying to most people.

They follow game rules, but you'll never get a fair fight out of them. I would say people like them aren't welcome in a game like eve, one where they take the i-win buttons and just keep hammering for months upon months (where's the skill ), but thats the game eve is today...

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Originally by: swordslasher

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You fail at reading comprehension. I would suggest the same book for you.

All I single handedly did was not die to you. Everytime we had sufficient numbers to engage, you warped off, and you logged.

Burn eden is good at nothing more than ganks, which is why they have no home, they exist nowhere outside of Jita for selling loot. You can't engage, because even with equal numbers you are inferior to close range ships and you will warp off at even the slightest hint of a force that could hold you down and slaughter you. you fit stabs, which in of itself exclaims you are afraid of diying, or incapable of preventing your own death.

Burn eden is a pathetic excuse for an empire griefer corp. You're like fleas on a dog, sooner or later, the dog quits caring, while you go on taking cheap shots because that's all your capable of.

That's why you and dragoon left TCT isn't it? can't take the heat of getting shot at in a fleet engagement eh?

What are you going to do when constellational sovereignty comes along, with anchorable stargate and station turrets? sit in HED-GP popping noob ships? oh wait...

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Originally by: WARPIG3

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Wonder how BE kill vs lost Ratio will be when Warp Scrambler T2 come out?

Will BE be as effective?

Will BE adapt to new upcoming changes?

History wise What allaince has BE been in??

SA?

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Originally by: Smith

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They rub people up the wrong way on the forums and due to their size and sharpness its very difficult to catch them out. When you put these factors into the mixer I guess you get all the haters.

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Originally by: Fedaykin Naib

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Edited by: Fedaykin Naib on 13/10/2006 08:39:07
I think I read a comment by kickass or shin ra once, where they said they got the idea of using warp core stabs on pvp setups from me. After drinking a bottle of whiskey that night I almost shot my brains out.

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Actually you are very very wrong. The perception is that we don't fight fair. Tactically, this may be the case, but number wise its alsmost certainly wrong. Think about it, dampners aren't that great at 200km, so in a fight at that range, you probably better off tanked. Why then do we still fit dampners?

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Originally by: canned

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Actually you are very very wrong. The perception is that we don't fight fair. Tactically, this may be the case, but number wise its alsmost certainly wrong. Think about it, dampners aren't that great at 200km, so in a fight at that range, you probably better off tanked. Why then do we still fit dampners?

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Sensor dampener t2's can get that range with high enough skills cant they? and if you didnt know ive seen recent killmails where some of you were using remote sensor damps t2

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Originally by: canned

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Actually you are very very wrong. The perception is that we don't fight fair. Tactically, this may be the case, but number wise its alsmost certainly wrong. Think about it, dampners aren't that great at 200km, so in a fight at that range, you probably better off tanked. Why then do we still fit dampners?

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Sensor dampener t2's can get that range with high enough skills cant they? and if you didnt know ive seen recent killmails where some of you were using remote sensor damps t2

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Originally by: SATAN

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Frag never ripped anyone off, he had a personality conflict along with myself and the rest of the UDIE gang with the leaders of TPS like Cao Cao(Pick up your guns, pick up your guns). Frag may be many things but he would never rip anyone off, he is the type of person that would give you his last cupcake.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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"Don't touch the red button!"

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Originally by: heidrun

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Originally by: lazyb22

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Originally by: Diablique

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They are highly effective aand nearly impossible to counter, and the best small unit PvP force you'll find in eve.

Ya, it's envy.

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My one experience with them the above is true. You can counter em it just takes patience or luck.

THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT.

Jealousy is my guess.

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yep but its all over after the wcs nerf

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Originally by: swordslasher

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: swordslasher

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Best counter to burn eden is T1 frigates and interceptors.

They log every time.


No kidding, I've FC'ed a gang more than once with nothing but AF's and interceptors, zerg rush burn eden at 200km and they warp away and log off.

Scared they're going to take a loss, something else about how they keep their dictor piloting alts out of Burn Eden as well, seeing as the dictors die so often.

Burn Eden? pfft. smoldering is more like it, burn eden is a fire quickly dispatched with a urine firehose.

BE ganks the stupid and incompitent - I've told Evil Pookie and the lot of em many times myself that they've never killed me, and they never will, and even while they were wandering around QBH5 and AZN, whilst I was hauling everything I move from AZN to 68FT (corp/alliance change) - they were still incapable of doing it.

The best defense is common sense and perception, keep your eyes open, ask for intel, don't fly solo in a hauler and you won't die to stupid gankers.

That's all now.

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Thanks for the 3 billion in mins you delivered us in the 2 hauler runs, please keep the smack up.

PS. Didnt we kill your gang every time? And didnt we kill your alt?

PSS. A ceptor doing 5.5k/sec at 300km out is a brilliant strat against us.

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*SNIP* - Be nice - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])

1: I never lost 3 billion in mins in two hauler runs, check your killboards. To clarify, swordslasher has never lost ANYTHING to burn eden, ever.
2: I think the fool you're referring to wasn't in our gang and decided to jump into the system because he had a scout who told him the gate was 'friendly camped'. right. smart idea there buddy. Oohhh burn eden ganks another hauler. You are SO HARDCORE MAN!
3: My empty industrial, which I had bought 10 minutes earlier for 150k isk, was a trap you were too afraid to fall for - instead you engaged some tard who thought he'd warp right into a dictor bubble on the other side of the system. I warped the alt to said gate to get you to stay longer, you engaged it, popped him, and when our fleet dropped out of warp to engage you, you ran.

Like scared little girls from the boogie man.

Hell if I even remember correctly, I tanked YOU and Evil Pookie while you were trying to snipe my raven 230km out two minutes solid before I had to jump through to AZN. that was another trap, you saw me sitting on the gate for 15 minutes, tried to engage thinking you had a quick gank, and warped off again when the fleet came in to give you a what-for.

Apple released their new BURN EDEN series mp3 players.
iGank
iWarp
iLog
Collect all three for a intensly irritating time!

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Originally by: anonymous

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If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

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Originally by: Troubadour

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a sniper group and a few long-range lachesis recons. B-E tactics COUNTERED.

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Originally by: Marfew Jae

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My attempt to answer the sensor damps question:

what targetting range does an Inty have if you hit it with 2 Dampeners?

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Originally by: Helganstandt

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Only encounter I've had with them was when they were exploiting the grid in HED-GP. A GM called them on it, and Evil Pookie started complaining in local for the GMs to "fix their system".

And then when we were having trouble with our alliance holding corp being hacked away from us, Satan posted a comment (which was soon deleted) stating that he was surprised we didn't petition that BE did it. This was only a few days after we petitioned the grid issue, which is pretty childish. So my opinion of them went from "smart gankers" to "childish exploiters." So their forum antics, and their attitude gain them a lot of their reputation as well.

That being said, they're good at what they do. Their ravens do a lot of damage, and if you're caught off-guard, you're in a lot of trouble. If you're trying to kill them, you will quickly become frustrated. If you're trying to get away, you only need to be perceptive and you will have no problem.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 13:17:25

Originally by: Helganstandt

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Only encounter I've had with them was when they were exploiting the grid in HED-GP. A GM called them on it, and Evil Pookie started complaining in local for the GMs to "fix their system".

And then when we were having trouble with our alliance holding corp being hacked away from us, Satan posted a comment (which was soon deleted) stating that he was surprised we didn't petition that BE did it. This was only a few days after we petitioned the grid issue, which is pretty childish. So my opinion of them went from "smart gankers" to "childish exploiters." So their forum antics, and their attitude gain them a lot of their reputation as well.

That being said, they're good at what they do. Their ravens do a lot of damage, and if you're caught off-guard, you're in a lot of trouble. If you're trying to kill them, you will quickly become frustrated. If you're trying to get away, you only need to be perceptive and you will have no problem.

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This is the series of events that took place:

1) Our interdictor creats a bookmark 200km above SV5 gate in HED and distributes it to corp
2) A few hours later, we see you guys coming, we launch a interdictor sphere and warp in to the spot 200km above HED gate. But we are off grif.
3) We warp out to planet
4) We warp back in at 100km above the gate (again dictor recently made this spot).
5) By this time most of you are out of the bubble.
6) We start locking, firing, dampening, doing our thing. I think u all got out.
7) You allegedly could not see us on overview
8) You petition us
9) GM warns us for exploiting
10) Evil Pookie convos GM explain what happened
11) GM revokes the warning and asks for a copy of bookmarks which we supply to him.
12) GM says he will investigate.
13) You alliance continues to all us exploiting "teleporters".
14) You make smacky forum post
15) I reply, shooting you down.
16) You end up looking stupid.

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"Don't touch the red button!"

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Originally by: Roxanna Kell

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Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.

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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek

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Well, if u try to blob them, they will ofcource run away(..iiiif they know ure skilled. If not, they'll stay put and kill u all).

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Originally by: Helganstandt

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Originally by: Roxanna Kell

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Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.

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I've gotten over it. the GM's did something about it; I'm satisfied. I just don't appreciate being accused of not knowing the events though, and being called stupid for it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you guys.

And yes, we do have proof in both cases in the form of fraps. I may however be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that *maybe* the first BE member we saw do this in late August gave you guys the bookmarks and didn't inform you of the exploit. And maybe pookie is truly innocent and didn't know better.

I just doubt that's what happened, and my opinion has changed of you guys because of it. I don't really consider that dwelling on the past, I just know what to expect in the future now.

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek

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Well, if u try to blob them, they will ofcource run away(..iiiif they know ure skilled. If not, they'll stay put and kill u all).

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Oh so if you were blobbed, you wouldn't run away? I mean come on now, can we get some common sense in this thread :)

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Helganstandt

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Originally by: Roxanna Kell

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Helganstandt maybe its best not to dwell on the past.
Situation has no proof, you can't just assume.
Lets Leave it at that ok.

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I've gotten over it. the GM's did something about it; I'm satisfied. I just don't appreciate being accused of not knowing the events though, and being called stupid for it. I was just replying as to why people don't like you guys.

And yes, we do have proof in both cases in the form of fraps. I may however be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt that *maybe* the first BE member we saw do this in late August gave you guys the bookmarks and didn't inform you of the exploit. And maybe pookie is truly innocent and didn't know better.

I just doubt that's what happened, and my opinion has changed of you guys because of it. I don't really consider that dwelling on the past, I just know what to expect in the future now.

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The bookmarks we used in the most recent fight were created on the same day the fight took place.

If there was any merit to your theory then we would have recieved warnings or bans, which we haven't.

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Originally by: Trina Tron

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becuse they suck at photoshop

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 14:56:40
Furthermore, even if this were true, I was under the impression that if you were both on the same grid then you could both see and lock eachother. To my knowledge there is no way that we could have seen on overview and at the same time you not being able to see us?

I could be wrong, there could actually be a bug here. If you have the fraps, I'd really like to see it. So upload it to eve files plz.

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Originally by: Helganstandt

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Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:15:22
Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/10/2006 15:11:14

Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 13/10/2006 14:56:40
Furthermore, even if this were true, I was under the impression that if you were both on the same grid then you could both see and lock eachother. To my knowledge there is no way that we could have seen on overview and at the same time you not being able to see us?

I could be wrong, there could actually be a bug here. If you have the fraps, I'd really like to see it. So upload it to eve files plz.

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I'll ask the member who has it to upload it, and will eve-mail you ingame when it is there.

edit: I'm not going to guarantee that they'll be willing to though. You guys also have a habit of trying to manipulate media to your advantage. I believe we've already sent the fraps to the GM's though so they can troubleshoot the problem. The issue was that while you guys could target and see us, we could only see an outline of you attacking us. One minute we're targetting you even with your damps on, the next you guys dissappear from the grid and missles are still flying at us, and we're still being damped.

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Originally by: SwindonBadger

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BE do very well with ther kind of playing, they do like the long range dampy dampy , then send in a frig /stabbed thron tackler, they do it very well. If u havnt faced combat and u meet these guys exspect to go ffs cant u , someone .. Im down ect ect, once u get used to the way they play its not too hard to avoide losses but ull have to wrok at it. On the down side compared to some of the other good pvp corps I flown/fought with they only stick to there kind of tacktics and dont like fighting outside that box, which leaves them stuck in that box (its a good one if u like the little risk big chance of a kill fight) and sertainly will get up ur nose if your trying to kill them, its just ,... well I Ive played with those kind of tackticks and nice to do it but theres alot more fun to be had with other methods. They are one of the only corpse to come along and show me something new and I havnt had the pleasure of battle with them for a while.,... would be fun to see how they do these days but I belive there a bit low on numbers? not that that makes too much difference when the pilots have the skills. I do remeber busting a mining/npc op of theres and feeling really really happy about it cos they had been a pain pimping people in 9cg before using 3 ravens with dampners (trying to kill avernus) but we had herd the tacktick so waited with most guns close range and sure enough got av to warp out just as theysent in a close range thron to tackle him, we stripped the thron to hull and they left again,,, thats the kind of battle they used to go for way back when fix was new and nooby. Evil.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: SATAN

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Frag never ripped anyone off, he had a personality conflict along with myself and the rest of the UDIE gang with the leaders of TPS like Cao Cao(Pick up your guns, pick up your guns). Frag may be many things but he would never rip anyone off, he is the type of person that would give you his last cupcake.

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I guess i just heard that story so many times i assumed it was true. That + you guys tried to overthrow your corp. Guess not. My bad


Btw - I totally blame you for getting our ASCN forum access revoked. You werent suposed to make posts with it. bastard.

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