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Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1356	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:00:45 - [31] - Quote Someone has to love me. Pretty sure the fedo is dead, but it's hard to tell by smell alone.... cannot find it. Also, I've apparently been banned from all pet shops in New Eden for some reason as well. Getting hard up here and those frozen corpses are starting to look very inviting. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5200	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:15:42 - [32] - Quote Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want. Kithrus wrote: We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs. This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him. Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons... Personal reasons. So stand up to CVA. Tell them no, you're not going to boot a member of your alliance just because they say so. If they set you red set it back and actively fight against them. If you really believe in what you are saying here, then stand up for him and stand up for your beliefs. At the very least it's entertaining content. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23213	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:20:02 - [33] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want. What have you done with Lucas? "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 216	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:10:32 - [34] - Quote Kithrus wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: Hm, On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty. DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out. However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is. Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here. Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him? step too far no? theres been worse, I can think of 1 at a public event. the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots. Ive found ways to cause the deaths of some people in the game because they believed they were high and mighty and untouchable in empire. if you care for your friend, you to can find a way to hit back "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23213	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:17:01 - [35] - Quote Agondray wrote: the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots. One of them was the OPs friend by the sounds of it: Karma's a female dog ain't it? "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5203	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:30:34 - [36] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want. What have you done with Lucas? Heh, still me. People get the wrong impression that I want some sort of group cuddle over everything that is mean to anyone. That's not the case. I just have a reasonable expectation of balance between players who want to kill and player who want to hug, and would rather not see direct attempts to create out of game upset being widely accepted. Outside of that, if you want to hate somoeone for whatever reason you want and react with in-game actions, what does it matter? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Kithrus Tzedakah Aegis Militia 338	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:45:22 - [37] - Quote I really feel like people are missing the point here. We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good. We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person. I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him. If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons. As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite. We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with. Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE. If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?" I see this as no different. Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 846	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:11:01 - [38] - Quote Tell your friend to sell his character and help him buy a new one. Invite new one to Corp. Old Guy is not in Corp, problem solved.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5203	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:27:53 - [39] - Quote Kithrus wrote: I really feel like people are missing the point here. We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good. We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person. I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him. If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons. As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite. We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with. Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE. If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?" I see this as no different. Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen. We all get that, you said it clearly many times. Sure, it's a douchy move, but it's not bullying, it's simply and expression of preference. They don't like that guy and won't be friendly with any group he's in. It may be harsh, it may be without what you consider good reasons, but it's the game. If you don't like that they've done that, stand up to them. If you just kick him out to save yourselves from the possibility of getting roflstomped by CVA, then you're no better than them. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Joan Miles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:50:50 - [40] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever. If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying. Basically this. It's quite simple. There is no need imposing things on yourself in a video game. No matter the unique details of the case. And: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10 Paranoid Loyd: Comes into a debatable C&P topic.. Hits on the hot space chick! Well played sir
Orlacc 831	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:51:14 - [41] - Quote It is CVA's prerogative to do what they will. Guy was probably a big ***** ( Oh I forgot he has a disease that makes him an *****). So you take him in and now they don't want to play with you. How is that bullying? You want CCP to intercede? "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5913	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:55:47 - [42] - Quote Being set red and barred from rejoining an alliance is not bullying. Grow up and HTFU. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2458	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:51:58 - [43] - Quote Kithrus wrote: I really feel like people are missing the point here. Everyone gets the point - they're saying welcome to Eve. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Kithrus Tzedakah Aegis Militia 340	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:54:54 - [44] - Quote admiral root wrote: Kithrus wrote: I really feel like people are missing the point here. Everyone gets the point - they're saying welcome to Eve. With that attitude are you going to tell me to kill myself and end your CSM career early? or are you admitting there are limits?
admiral root Red Galaxy 2458	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:56:57 - [45] - Quote Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"? Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Asia Leigh Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective 245	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:57:59 - [46] - Quote OP obviously doesn't realize hom much fun hot dropping Provi is. Getting set red to Provi is certainly not the end of the world, and it certainly isn't bulling. `Apply the damn rules equally >.>`
Kithrus Tzedakah Aegis Militia 340	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:05:17 - [47] - Quote admiral root wrote: Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"? Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU. What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings.
Paranoid Loyd 4056	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:10:02 - [48] - Quote I can say without a doubt the good Admiral understands the political landscape much better than you. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5204	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:39:58 - [49] - Quote Kithrus wrote: What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. And they are well within their right to do so. That's how this game is played. Either you kick him and keep your fleets but sell out your values or you keep him, take what CVA want to dish out and stand up for your beliefs. That's all there is to this. It's not bullying, it's not harassment, it's just one group imposing it's rules over a smaller group, something that happens every single day in EVE. The only thing you're likely to get posting this in C&P is more reds. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1135	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:41:15 - [50] - Quote Kithrus wrote: What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. I've got an idea! Ditch your "friend" and all your problems are gone. We all know he is kinda... you know... cramping your style and all. Well... Maybe you could do that and apologize to the good people of C&P while you are at it since you are stressing them out with your cringe worthy troll posts. Do that and you are golden, free to roam with the plethora of other "friends" you have in game. No thanks, just me giving back to the community. D. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
admiral root Red Galaxy 2462	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:01:57 - [51] - Quote It's a sad day when I have to like a Lucas post. OP, please stop bullying me. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2055	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:10:29 - [52] - Quote Removing annoying people from your group in a video game and being annoyed when someone subverts (intentionally or coincidentally) the steps you took to remove them from your group is not bullying. You're a terrible person for equating this to actual bullying, which can ruin peoples lives.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 20251	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:31:52 - [53] - Quote Kithrus wrote: admiral root wrote: Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"? Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU. What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. Is this really about 'your friend' anymore... because you seem to talk less and less about 'your friend' and more and more about 'CVA denying you fleets' or something.. ill be honest.. I pretty much clocked out on this after 'bullying'. Also, its a known fact in C&P, that when someone makes a thread about their 'friend', 99 times out of 100, that 'friend' is them. Friends don't let friends post on their behalf. Also, griping about CVA and their policies probably wont help your 'cant get CVA fleet' problem.. as a matter of fact, it will probably get you set KOS. That's the beauty of CVA NRDS. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Lloyd Roses 883	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:48:47 - [54] - Quote Kithrus wrote: [...] has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. [...] Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red. [...] This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance. [...] Can only do a PoV, but they obviously didn't remove him for his syndrome, but for his behaviour. Rubbing people the wrong way. So regardless of the origins for that rubbing which you really can't spot just via TS or chat channels, he was just shown the door for being an apparently unbearable person. Wonder if there was more to it though, because setting him red seems weird and inconclusive. Afterwards you invited a red! Dood! You don't do that! Solve him being red and then accept him. I GÖÑ Sleipnir
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 2153	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:50:37 - [55] - Quote All this talk of rubbing.... Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
LetsGetWeird Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:54:55 - [56] - Quote Going to put this in simple terms Provi space CVA rules pretty much all other groups in provi seems to be pets from my limited knowledge of the area. You don't like the rules then leave or fight. IF I don't like someone in fleet I call them primary if they disrupt operation's mute them on Comms. If they continue to disrupt operation kick them and don't let them back eve life. You live in null sec friend if you don't like maybe a new sec of space or renting is better for you and your friend.
Froggy Storm Paragon Trust The Bastion 353	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:52:43 - [57] - Quote Well at least the OP's real agendas finally came out.
Kiryen O'Bannon Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans 217	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:36:35 - [58] - Quote OP, there are numeous issues with your position. First, I dont see what it has to do wit C&P. Second, EVE, and your corp/alliance/coalition are not your, or your friend's therapist/family/support group/school/church/ governement/etc. This is a game people pay to spend their time enjoying. No ne is or should be obligated to welcome incompatible people into their group, regardless of the reason for that incompatibility. Just because a person has a particular condition does not mean their wants automatically take priority over everyone else's. This is not - in any way - bullying. This is about people who do not want to deal with problems that they have no obligation to dealwith. It is, furthermore, in game (even if occurs in voice comms) because the issue arises from in-client interactions: namely, the desire to live in a particular area of space with its local space tribe. Your argument reminds me a lot of people who extoll the merits of free-to-play gaming because they don't have much money/are a college student/have medical issues/live in a poor country. The issue is similar and so is the answer. This is a video game, not a life necessity or obligation and you are not entitled to t or any aspect of it. There are no special needs here because there are no needs at all.
Leiliana Atruin Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 23	Posted - 2015.03.07 15:43:58 - [59] - Quote Kithrus wrote: I really feel like people are missing the point here. We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good. We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person. I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him. If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons. As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite. We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with. Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE. If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?" I see this as no different. Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen. By all accounts he is disliked not because of out of game stuff. Teamspeak, mumble etc counts as ingame comms.
Faylee Freir Defining Harassment Slaver's Union 60	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:45:14 - [60] - Quote That's not bullying, but here's a similar story and situation: The first corp I joined had someone that was of the same nature. He seemed to lack any sort of social skills, and I suspected he had some sort of autism or asbergers. I can think of specific instances where said autist had his own personal channel in teamspeak and he would literally flip out of someone went in there without his permission... This guy continued to rub people the wrong way and cause unneeded issues, but instead of booting him the CEO sent him to hisec and told him he had a "special" job for him. I didn't know what his "job" was until I saw him in comms for the first time in 5 months. The CEO had told him to get out of nullsec and to help the corp out by mining ice alone in hisec. It was a brilliant idea... I need to find my own autist to enslave. brb

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