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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.08 00:01:01 -
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Kithrus wrote: I feel like everyone is missing a point here. We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.
This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.
Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...
Personal reasons.
Honestly it would take a lot more than the information you've given us for anyone on the forums to take a moral stance on this instance. We don't know what problems this guy is claimed to have cause. We don't know how he is being treated by the alliance other than being asked to leave. While I agree that it is necessary to be sensitive and accommodating to individuals with issues in interpersonal communication, there does come a point where trying to incorporate that person is no longer the right thing to do. You are talking about a community of players. If a single individual is being disruptive to that sense of community, at a certian point that individual will have to be removed regardless of extenuating circumstances.
I have had to remove people from gaming communities for similar reasons in the past. I will again in the future. Its not fun for me, its awful to the individual, but sometimes its the right thing to do.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
706
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Posted - 2015.03.08 03:34:23 -
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Hey Kithrus
I sympathise with your story but unless you would like you and your friend branded with a "mentally disabled sticker" with all of the connotations attached with it then you have to accept that eve is robust and oft times brutal...too everyone
it is in your and you friends court
their is an absolute smorgas board of space mmo's with a stricter code of conduct from its members eve may not be for you. Bullying and harassment is and issue but self direction must be your first port of call
life is a perfect shitstorm buddy and we cannot protect you from it as we are trying to protect ourselves
all the best man
Vapor o7
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1174
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Posted - 2015.03.08 03:55:09 -
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Crybaby OP is crybaby.
Since he is KOS in Provi I shall enjoy shooting him in the face and derping his wreck.
Derping his wreck, man.
tldr HTFU you pansy. If it upsets you so much attack CVA and take Provi away from them.
The game lets you do things like that, you know.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
0
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Posted - 2015.03.08 15:40:24 -
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Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe.
Honestly dude, unless they're going to go trekking into high sec looking for him and suicide ganking him left and right and yourself, who gives a ****? KoS? bwaha! t3 nully cloaky stabbed cruiser ftw. **** them sideways. CVA can go screw themselves up the ass with a ***** covered pinecone. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1532
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Posted - 2015.03.08 15:47:07 -
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Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe.
Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography. I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I-¦d rather prefer that it stays there. I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it.
That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
69
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Posted - 2015.03.08 16:05:31 -
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How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP?
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Orlacc
833
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Posted - 2015.03.08 16:22:21 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe. Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography. I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I-¦d rather prefer that it stays there. I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it. That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.
I hate that crap too. I come here to escape RL. I have also run into a few fake "veterans" who try and use that as an excuse for one thing or another.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
11
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Posted - 2015.03.08 18:57:15 -
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Tolerance is double-edged sword. It cuts both ways and it's not about enduring someone's presence or habits. Tolerance lies on spines of 3 whales 1)Announcing problems. 2)Apologizing. 3)Forgiving.
I believe both you and your friend failed at first and second. That's obvious, right? Third part is a bit harder. Instead of facing your misdeeds and backing off, solving conflict, you are escalating it by spreading it over new communities. It's the same thing as any harassment/discrimination lawsuit - way of solving one case at price of escalating global tension.
Now, the question is GÇö what you want? To rip off something for your advantage or discrimination-free world? |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1494
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:34:24 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP? Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
546
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:39:37 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP? Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.
+1 |
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
370
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:44:29 -
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All the cool kids are red to CVA.
I don't even remember why I am red, but I am, so I must be cool. |
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2015.03.09 09:27:27 -
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Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here.
Seems a bit much if all he did to go red was to rub some people up the wrong way, but that isn't bullying.
I might be wrong here, but wasn't taking in a pilot on the CVA KOS list pretty much going to guarantee that your corp/alliance went on there too ? I thought that was standard so doesn't strike me as bullying either.
This might not strike you as palatable and against your principles but can he not be accommodated in another corp and just fly with you guys outside Provi?
Anyway hope things work out for you and your friend.
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Lachesiss
nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness
281
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:20:40 -
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CVA have me KoS because eveytime im in local there chars cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.
TBH OP I would just tell CVA to stick it up there arse and shoot them in the face with some neutron blasters.
It will make you feel a ton better watching there hull hit that last gasp of 5% knowing there spamming that warp button like a raging rabbit .
(edit you need to know what a raging rabbit is before you understand last sentence)
On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.
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Valkin Mordirc
712
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:46:26 -
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Quote: cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.
POH's secret weapon is apparently boobs then.
Huh.
Who Knew?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
163
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:40:36 -
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Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. |
Sahvi Morvaalis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:59:45 -
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Kithrus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you.
Maybe not, but I'm sure they'd be truthful in their opinions if called as a reference. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
654
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Posted - 2015.03.10 02:03:30 -
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An EVE alliance isn't obliged to act as an aspergers support group.
There are places one can go for help. Expecting EVE players to care is beyond ridiculous.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2162
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:40:55 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising.
Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 11:46:54 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.
I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much.
I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1136
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:13:15 -
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Kithrus wrote:I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell. .
Calm down, dear. Please.
A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions?
Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox. On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you
So what is your point again?
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
172
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:32:29 -
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Kithrus wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future. I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much. I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too.
I haven't seen anything in your posts in this thread that constitutes bullying. What personal grudge from outside the game are you talking about? Being a jackass on TS isn't "from outside the game". Is anyone contacting him outside the game harassing him? That would be bullying.
Are the people you are talking about even actively hunting this person down constantly in game and killing him? That *might* be harassment, but not bullying. There are people in this thread and certainly in C&P that are watchlisted and constantly hunted...still not bullying. |
Tandros Kreel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
19
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:48:45 -
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Complaining about bullying and harassment in EVE is like going swimming and them complaining about getting wet.
Seriously, go play a different game or learn how to deal with knobs like every other player (turn them into space goo). |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:50:36 -
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Danalee wrote:Kithrus wrote:I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell. . Calm down, dear. Please. A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions? Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox. On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you So what is your point again? D.
Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage.
So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. It does warrant being an ass about it.
There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23229
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:57:19 -
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Kithrus wrote:Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage. And you wonder why they want nothing to do with him?
FYI inappropriate or poor humour and sarcasm in any walk of life will get you labelled as an arse, so will having a poor attitude.
Quote:So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. CVA have, by making sure that anybody they associate with or uses their space also has nothing to do with him
Quote:It does warrant being an ass about it. CVA aren't being arses, their space, their rules. People can be marked KoS in their space for absolutely any reason, or no reason at all, if they see fit.
Quote:There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point. The point is that you should stop whining about it, nobody outside of the SJW's gives a toss and CVA have done nothing that can be construed as bullying.
TL;DR Everything has consequences in Eve, looks they've caught up with both your "friend" and your corp
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:43:22 -
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Bullying in bad....mkay.
Bombers Rule!!!
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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:44:57 -
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Bullying in bad....mkay.
Bombers Rule!!!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:03:59 -
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If you came to C&P looking for sympathy, you've come to the wrong place.
I would like to hear the other side this story because while many EVE players are asshats ingame, I don't see an entire alliance taking that much of a personal dislike to someone without a valid reason.
I suspect that if you, as a friend of this guy, are saying he's basically a bit mental and tends to be obnoxious on comms; then from an objective angle he probably said/did something spectacularly stupid. If the people that run your alliance don't want this individual in their sky then that's their prerogative insofar as they can enforce it. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
984
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:04:14 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote: Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10
Ill second that. Agreed, that avatar is awesome. sorry I'm late to the party. *starts speed reading to catch up*
No bullying here. Just a dude who pissed people off now they don't like him. End of story.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
984
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:05:31 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:Bullying in bad....mkay.
I'm only liking one of your posts. No double like for you you sneak!
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Raiz Nhell
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
405
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:11:43 -
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Kithrus wrote:
Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage.
So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. It does warrant being an ass about it.
There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point.
How is setting someone red and having an alliance policy not to allow reds being an ass about it...
I am red to provi block due to corp roams blowing up their stuff... (I assume) If I went to a different corp and they wanted to join provi block we wouldn't be allowed cause I'm red...
That's not bullying, that's actions having consequences... Same as your friend, he didn't gel with the community, badly enough so they don't want him back...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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