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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:26:09 -
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I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe. |
Valkin Mordirc
694
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:45:26 -
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Hm,
On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty.
DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out.
However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is.
Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12003
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:48:08 -
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Much though I deride Provi, I have to agree with their stance on this one.
Getting rid of someone who has pissed off a bunch of your members is a normal, reasonable act. Enforcing it is a natural consequence of the responsibilities of leadership.
I fail to see the problem here, unless you think that his mental condition should give him a pass for his actions.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:49:48 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Hm,
On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty.
DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out.
However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is.
Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here.
Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him?
step too far no? |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
438
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:50:18 -
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CVA are bullies. Now I've read it all.
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Paranoid Loyd
4037
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:55:05 -
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I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that is Red before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Valkin Mordirc
694
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:56:29 -
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Kithrus wrote:
Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him?
step too far no?
Did they actually hunt him down?
Quote: Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
You merely said he was Red and like all reds KoS?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12004
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:00:31 -
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Wait, here's a thought.
If you object to pointless, subjective rules that are enforceable only by shunning... why the actual hell are you in Provi?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20220
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:09:21 -
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Surely, if this was a thing, everyone favorite internet space detective would have picked up on it, and the Ripardmobile would have been dispatched for torch and pitchfork distribution duty in preparation for the storming of Provi.
I guess I fail to see how this is bullying. Then again, the word is thrown around so much nowadays that I doubt anyone knows what bullying really is anymore.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:10:09 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that has been marked KOS before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on.
1) my alliance 2) the person in question want to make it up CVA somehow they won't let him. They are afraid of appearing soft and they want him on his own. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23208
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:28:20 -
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It's not bullying, it's refusing to having anything to do with people that associate with people that you don't like.
How does your friend rub people up the wrong way?
Make inappropriate remarks? Fail to pull their weight? Generally act like a knob?
I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Elyham
The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance
32
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:52:12 -
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Being blue to CVA and provibloc myself I find this situation to be appaling and shocking. This must be looked into right away!
Of course I will be too busy mining in EY to devote any time to this matter but I am sure justice will be done for this poor fellow.
Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:06:46 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23650
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:16:45 -
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CVA can do whatever intolerant thing they want (provided your story is true). However, by continuing to function in CVA you are giving tacit approval of how they operate. If you don't like it, let them know how you feel and then leave.
Life is too short, and EVE is a big game.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Paranoid Loyd
4039
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:18:11 -
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Kithrus wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that has been marked KOS before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on. 1) my alliance 2) the person in question want to make it up CVA somehow they won't let him. They are afraid of appearing soft and they want him on his own. So you feel that them not wanting to give him a second chance is bullying?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:27:58 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kithrus wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that has been marked KOS before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on. 1) my alliance 2) the person in question want to make it up CVA somehow they won't let him. They are afraid of appearing soft and they want him on his own. So you feel that them not wanting to give him a second chance is bullying?
Sibyyl wrote: CVA can do whatever intolerant thing they want (provided your story is true). However, by continuing to function in CVA you are giving tacit approval of how they operate. If you don't like it, let them know how you feel and then leave.
Life is too short, and EVE is a big game.
I feel like everyone is missing a point here. We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.
This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.
Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...
Personal reasons. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23650
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:32:40 -
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Exile for personal reasons does not constitute harassment or bullying.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Paranoid Loyd
4039
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:56:46 -
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Forgive me for not acknowledging my mistake in saying "informing your alliance", I understood the situation after you pointed that out. But it doesn't change anything. It's their space, the reason is irrelevant.
Also as Sibs mentioned, rep has a lot to do with choices of who you allow in your space and this guy has obviously gone pretty far over the edge as to what is acceptable.
The fact that he has Aspergers doesn't really change anything. I have employed people in RL with the syndrome and they were still required to act acceptably and if they crossed the line they were dealt with the same way anyone else would have been dealt with, sure there was a bit more consideration in defining acceptable but there was still a line. Equal opportunity (which is pretty much what you are saying if they don't provide they are bullies) 1) works both ways & 2) is in no way required in Eve nor does it equate to bullying.
The fact that they told you to kick him or get kicked yourself is perfectly valid. You have chosen to associate with someone who has been marked red and as a result you should be marked red. Again, the reason is irrelevant.
Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
2144
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Posted - 2015.03.06 04:26:23 -
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There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.
If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.
Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.
What a goddamn joke.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
2144
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Posted - 2015.03.06 04:27:26 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10
Ill second that.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
543
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Posted - 2015.03.06 04:34:16 -
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Leto Thule wrote:There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.
If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.
Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.
What a goddamn joke.
Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12015
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:28:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go.
You can also get bullied at Wal Mart. One of my favorite pastimes is to sit on those benches they have near the entrances and laugh at fat people.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Orlacc
831
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:44:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.
If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.
Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.
What a goddamn joke. Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game.
One can smell weakness through the ether. Like this guy^^
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
274
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Posted - 2015.03.06 06:58:21 -
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The OP is definitely r/cringe material.
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
691
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Posted - 2015.03.06 07:09:42 -
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Kithrus wrote: I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
This is not pre-school. You are not forced to play with others that you don't get along with. It is not "harassment" to choose not to fleet/join a corp/talk to another player, nor is it "bullying" to tell another player they do not want to play with them if they are are associated with another player.
You cannot make people be "friends" and if you try to force people together who dislike each other, you are asking for a much worse situation. If it is just a misunderstanding then of course feel free to explain to everyone and try and sort it out, but if someone has decided they do not wish to interact with another, then you have to respect that decision.
Time to be an adult and make a choice. This is a game we all voluntarily play and can leave at anytime. Claiming that not wanting to play with another is "harassment" or "bullying" devalues these terms.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
2145
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Posted - 2015.03.06 07:16:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.
If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying.
Real bullying means being picked on at school, or other places where you cannot remove yourself from the equation. Its not even YOU that is the subject of said bullying, its an avatar. A fake name, for a make believe universe about stealing, fighting, trickery, scamming, etc.
What a goddamn joke. Completely false by the way. You can get bullied at the gym, even though you don't have to go. You can get bullied in the park, even though you don't have to go. The fact that an adult can avoid all bullying by locking himself in his house all day does not mean that there is no such thing as bullying. That is just a delusional view of human interaction. And yes, there can absolutely be bullying in a computer game.
You are a morbidly deranged lunatic. Its a game. If it has bearings on how you live your real life, you need to stop playing.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1352
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Posted - 2015.03.06 08:23:22 -
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I can't take it anymore. There needs to be an EVE online forum parody of Futurama.... Veers Belvar as Captain Zap Brannigan. Leto Thule as Bender. ISDs Ezwal and Barstilode as the future police. Feyd as the news monster. Cannibal Kane as himself. I'll play Scruffy the janitor... open to ideas for the other roles :P
It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
77
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Posted - 2015.03.06 09:54:42 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I can't take it anymore. There needs to be an EVE online forum parody of Futurama.... Veers Belvar as Captain Zap Brannigan. Leto Thule as Bender. ISDs Ezwal and Barstarlode as the future police. Feyd as the news monster. Cannibal Kane as himself. Unsuccessful At Everything as Zoidberg. I'll play Scruffy the janitor... open to ideas for the other roles :P
Does James 315 play the role as Zapp when he's a twenty-five star general later? I forget if that was before or after he had sex with Leela, which we still need someone to play.
Whichever character I play, I just want to pilot Old Bessie in the Battle for Earth Against the Scammers after Zapp fails.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
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Leiliana Atruin
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
21
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Posted - 2015.03.06 11:09:42 -
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I happen to have a very good idea who you are talking about, I don't have a beef with the person personally.
However...
This person did more than just rub people the wrong way. He went out of his way to be offensive, and quite frankly, many people could rightfully accuse him of having been a bully in the past.
As a parent of a person with the same syndrome, I can tell you right now that him having that is no excuse for his behaviour. I am very involved with charities and organizations that deals with it, and in all but the worst cases (think rainman) there is very little anti-social actions.
Quite frankly, for the majority of people that acts the way he, it is more a matter of the person thinking he can do and say whatever he wants because 'aspergers'. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23211
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Posted - 2015.03.06 11:46:55 -
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Kithrus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you. You'd be surprised, if you get fired from a particular kind of work for being an arse then apply for a job with a competitor or supplier/customer, then you can be fairly certain the new employer will contact the old one for a reference of some kind.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1356
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:00:45 -
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Someone has to love me. Pretty sure the fedo is dead, but it's hard to tell by smell alone.... cannot find it. Also, I've apparently been banned from all pet shops in New Eden for some reason as well. Getting hard up here and those frozen corpses are starting to look very inviting.
It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5200
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:15:42 -
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Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want.
Kithrus wrote:We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.
This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.
Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...
Personal reasons. So stand up to CVA. Tell them no, you're not going to boot a member of your alliance just because they say so. If they set you red set it back and actively fight against them. If you really believe in what you are saying here, then stand up for him and stand up for your beliefs. At the very least it's entertaining content.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23213
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:20:02 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want. What have you done with Lucas?
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
216
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:10:32 -
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Kithrus wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Hm,
On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty.
DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out.
However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is.
Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here. Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him? step too far no? theres been worse, I can think of 1 at a public event. the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots. Ive found ways to cause the deaths of some people in the game because they believed they were high and mighty and untouchable in empire. if you care for your friend, you to can find a way to hit back
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23213
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:17:01 -
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Agondray wrote:the thing you must see is its people behind a computer that think they are anonymous so they believe they can say and do what they want because no harm will come to them until you can kick them in the balls with a pair of spiked steel toe boots. One of them was the OPs friend by the sounds of it: Karma's a female dog ain't it?
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5203
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:30:34 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Yeah, I have to agree, I don't see any bullying here. They've taken to disliking this guy, rational or not is irrelevant, and for that they've chosen to being against any group he is allowed to be part of. That's just the way the game is played. You can choose to like or dislike whoever you want. What have you done with Lucas? Heh, still me. People get the wrong impression that I want some sort of group cuddle over everything that is mean to anyone. That's not the case. I just have a reasonable expectation of balance between players who want to kill and player who want to hug, and would rather not see direct attempts to create out of game upset being widely accepted. Outside of that, if you want to hate somoeone for whatever reason you want and react with in-game actions, what does it matter?
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:45:22 -
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I really feel like people are missing the point here.
We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.
We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.
I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.
If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.
As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.
We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.
Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.
If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"
I see this as no different.
Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
846
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:11:01 -
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Tell your friend to sell his character and help him buy a new one. Invite new one to Corp. Old Guy is not in Corp, problem solved. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5203
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:27:53 -
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Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here.
We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.
We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.
I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.
If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.
As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.
We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.
Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.
If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"
I see this as no different.
Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen. We all get that, you said it clearly many times. Sure, it's a douchy move, but it's not bullying, it's simply and expression of preference. They don't like that guy and won't be friendly with any group he's in. It may be harsh, it may be without what you consider good reasons, but it's the game. If you don't like that they've done that, stand up to them. If you just kick him out to save yourselves from the possibility of getting roflstomped by CVA, then you're no better than them.
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Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:50:50 -
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Leto Thule wrote:There is no bullying in a video game. At all. Ever.
If you feel threatened, upset, hostile, or bullied... simply logoff and dont play anymore. Boom. No more bullying. Basically this. It's quite simple. There is no need imposing things on yourself in a video game. No matter the unique details of the case.
And:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10 Paranoid Loyd: Comes into a debatable C&P topic.. Hits on the hot space chick!
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Orlacc
831
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:51:14 -
[41] - Quote
It is CVA's prerogative to do what they will. Guy was probably a big ******* ( Oh I forgot he has a disease that makes him an *******). So you take him in and now they don't want to play with you. How is that bullying? You want CCP to intercede?
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5913
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:55:47 -
[42] - Quote
Being set red and barred from rejoining an alliance is not bullying. Grow up and HTFU.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2458
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:51:58 -
[43] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here.
Everyone gets the point - they're saying welcome to Eve.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
340
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:54:54 -
[44] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here. Everyone gets the point - they're saying welcome to Eve.
With that attitude are you going to tell me to kill myself and end your CSM career early?
or are you admitting there are limits? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2458
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:56:57 -
[45] - Quote
Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"?
Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Asia Leigh
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
245
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:57:59 -
[46] - Quote
OP obviously doesn't realize hom much fun hot dropping Provi is. Getting set red to Provi is certainly not the end of the world, and it certainly isn't bulling.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
340
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:05:17 -
[47] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"?
Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU.
What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into.
For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers.
If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it.
CVA knows this.
How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. |
Paranoid Loyd
4056
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:10:02 -
[48] - Quote
I can say without a doubt the good Admiral understands the political landscape much better than you.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5204
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:39:58 -
[49] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into.
For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers.
If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it.
CVA knows this.
How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. And they are well within their right to do so. That's how this game is played. Either you kick him and keep your fleets but sell out your values or you keep him, take what CVA want to dish out and stand up for your beliefs. That's all there is to this. It's not bullying, it's not harassment, it's just one group imposing it's rules over a smaller group, something that happens every single day in EVE. The only thing you're likely to get posting this in C&P is more reds.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1135
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:41:15 -
[50] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings.
I've got an idea! Ditch your "friend" and all your problems are gone. We all know he is kinda... you know... cramping your style and all.
Well... Maybe you could do that and apologize to the good people of C&P while you are at it since you are stressing them out with your cringe worthy troll posts.
Do that and you are golden, free to roam with the plethora of other "friends" you have in game.
No thanks, just me giving back to the community.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2462
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:01:57 -
[51] - Quote
It's a sad day when I have to like a Lucas post. OP, please stop bullying me.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2055
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:10:29 -
[52] - Quote
Removing annoying people from your group in a video game and being annoyed when someone subverts (intentionally or coincidentally) the steps you took to remove them from your group is not bullying.
You're a terrible person for equating this to actual bullying, which can ruin peoples lives. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20251
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:31:52 -
[53] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:admiral root wrote:Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"?
Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU. What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into. For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers. If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it. CVA knows this. How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings.
Is this really about 'your friend' anymore... because you seem to talk less and less about 'your friend' and more and more about 'CVA denying you fleets' or something.. ill be honest.. I pretty much clocked out on this after 'bullying'.
Also, its a known fact in C&P, that when someone makes a thread about their 'friend', 99 times out of 100, that 'friend' is them.
Friends don't let friends post on their behalf.
Also, griping about CVA and their policies probably wont help your 'cant get CVA fleet' problem.. as a matter of fact, it will probably get you set KOS. That's the beauty of CVA NRDS.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Lloyd Roses
883
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:48:47 -
[54] - Quote
Kithrus wrote: [...] has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. [...] Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red. [...]
This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance. [...]
Can only do a PoV, but they obviously didn't remove him for his syndrome, but for his behaviour. *Rubbing people the wrong way*. So regardless of the origins for that rubbing which you really can't spot just via TS or chat channels, he was just shown the door for being an apparently unbearable person.
Wonder if there was more to it though, because setting him red seems weird and inconclusive.
Afterwards you invited a red! Dood! You don't do that! Solve him being red and then accept him.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
2153
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:50:37 -
[55] - Quote
All this talk of rubbing....
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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LetsGetWeird
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.03.06 23:54:55 -
[56] - Quote
Going to put this in simple terms Provi space CVA rules pretty much all other groups in provi seems to be pets from my limited knowledge of the area. You don't like the rules then leave or fight. IF I don't like someone in fleet I call them primary if they disrupt operation's mute them on Comms. If they continue to disrupt operation kick them and don't let them back eve life. You live in null sec friend if you don't like maybe a new sec of space or renting is better for you and your friend. |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
353
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Posted - 2015.03.07 00:52:43 -
[57] - Quote
Well at least the OP's real agendas finally came out. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
217
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Posted - 2015.03.07 04:36:35 -
[58] - Quote
OP, there are numeous issues with your position.
First, I dont see what it has to do wit C&P.
Second, EVE, and your corp/alliance/coalition are not your, or your friend's therapist/family/support group/school/church/ governement/etc. This is a game people pay to spend their time enjoying. No ne is or should be obligated to welcome incompatible people into their group, regardless of the reason for that incompatibility. Just because a person has a particular condition does not mean their wants automatically take priority over everyone else's.
This is not - in any way - bullying. This is about people who do not want to deal with problems that they have no obligation to dealwith. It is, furthermore, in game (even if occurs in voice comms) because the issue arises from in-client interactions: namely, the desire to live in a particular area of space with its local space tribe.
Your argument reminds me a lot of people who extoll the merits of free-to-play gaming because they don't have much money/are a college student/have medical issues/live in a poor country. The issue is similar and so is the answer. This is a video game, not a life necessity or obligation and you are not entitled to t or any aspect of it. There are no special needs here because there are no needs at all. |
Leiliana Atruin
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
23
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:43:58 -
[59] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here.
We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.
We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.
I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.
If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.
As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.
We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.
Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.
If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"
I see this as no different.
Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen.
By all accounts he is disliked not because of out of game stuff. Teamspeak, mumble etc counts as ingame comms.
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Faylee Freir
Defining Harassment Slaver's Union
60
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Posted - 2015.03.07 19:45:14 -
[60] - Quote
That's not bullying, but here's a similar story and situation:
The first corp I joined had someone that was of the same nature. He seemed to lack any sort of social skills, and I suspected he had some sort of autism or asbergers. I can think of specific instances where said autist had his own personal channel in teamspeak and he would literally flip out of someone went in there without his permission... This guy continued to rub people the wrong way and cause unneeded issues, but instead of booting him the CEO sent him to hisec and told him he had a "special" job for him. I didn't know what his "job" was until I saw him in comms for the first time in 5 months. The CEO had told him to get out of nullsec and to help the corp out by mining ice alone in hisec.
It was a brilliant idea... I need to find my own autist to enslave. brb |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1491
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Posted - 2015.03.08 00:01:01 -
[61] - Quote
Kithrus wrote: I feel like everyone is missing a point here. We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.
This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.
Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...
Personal reasons.
Honestly it would take a lot more than the information you've given us for anyone on the forums to take a moral stance on this instance. We don't know what problems this guy is claimed to have cause. We don't know how he is being treated by the alliance other than being asked to leave. While I agree that it is necessary to be sensitive and accommodating to individuals with issues in interpersonal communication, there does come a point where trying to incorporate that person is no longer the right thing to do. You are talking about a community of players. If a single individual is being disruptive to that sense of community, at a certian point that individual will have to be removed regardless of extenuating circumstances.
I have had to remove people from gaming communities for similar reasons in the past. I will again in the future. Its not fun for me, its awful to the individual, but sometimes its the right thing to do.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
706
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Posted - 2015.03.08 03:34:23 -
[62] - Quote
Hey Kithrus
I sympathise with your story but unless you would like you and your friend branded with a "mentally disabled sticker" with all of the connotations attached with it then you have to accept that eve is robust and oft times brutal...too everyone
it is in your and you friends court
their is an absolute smorgas board of space mmo's with a stricter code of conduct from its members eve may not be for you. Bullying and harassment is and issue but self direction must be your first port of call
life is a perfect shitstorm buddy and we cannot protect you from it as we are trying to protect ourselves
all the best man
Vapor o7
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1174
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Posted - 2015.03.08 03:55:09 -
[63] - Quote
Crybaby OP is crybaby.
Since he is KOS in Provi I shall enjoy shooting him in the face and derping his wreck.
Derping his wreck, man.
tldr HTFU you pansy. If it upsets you so much attack CVA and take Provi away from them.
The game lets you do things like that, you know.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
0
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Posted - 2015.03.08 15:40:24 -
[64] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe.
Honestly dude, unless they're going to go trekking into high sec looking for him and suicide ganking him left and right and yourself, who gives a ****? KoS? bwaha! t3 nully cloaky stabbed cruiser ftw. **** them sideways. CVA can go screw themselves up the ass with a ***** covered pinecone. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1532
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Posted - 2015.03.08 15:47:07 -
[65] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe.
Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography. I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I-¦d rather prefer that it stays there. I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it.
That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
69
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Posted - 2015.03.08 16:05:31 -
[66] - Quote
How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP?
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Orlacc
833
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Posted - 2015.03.08 16:22:21 -
[67] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Kithrus wrote:I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe. Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography. I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I-¦d rather prefer that it stays there. I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it. That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.
I hate that crap too. I come here to escape RL. I have also run into a few fake "veterans" who try and use that as an excuse for one thing or another.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
11
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Posted - 2015.03.08 18:57:15 -
[68] - Quote
Tolerance is double-edged sword. It cuts both ways and it's not about enduring someone's presence or habits. Tolerance lies on spines of 3 whales 1)Announcing problems. 2)Apologizing. 3)Forgiving.
I believe both you and your friend failed at first and second. That's obvious, right? Third part is a bit harder. Instead of facing your misdeeds and backing off, solving conflict, you are escalating it by spreading it over new communities. It's the same thing as any harassment/discrimination lawsuit - way of solving one case at price of escalating global tension.
Now, the question is GÇö what you want? To rip off something for your advantage or discrimination-free world? |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1494
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:34:24 -
[69] - Quote
Tyyler DURden wrote:How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP? Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
546
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:39:37 -
[70] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP? Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.
+1 |
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
370
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Posted - 2015.03.08 22:44:29 -
[71] - Quote
All the cool kids are red to CVA.
I don't even remember why I am red, but I am, so I must be cool. |
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2015.03.09 09:27:27 -
[72] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here.
Seems a bit much if all he did to go red was to rub some people up the wrong way, but that isn't bullying.
I might be wrong here, but wasn't taking in a pilot on the CVA KOS list pretty much going to guarantee that your corp/alliance went on there too ? I thought that was standard so doesn't strike me as bullying either.
This might not strike you as palatable and against your principles but can he not be accommodated in another corp and just fly with you guys outside Provi?
Anyway hope things work out for you and your friend.
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Lachesiss
nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness
281
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:20:40 -
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CVA have me KoS because eveytime im in local there chars cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.
TBH OP I would just tell CVA to stick it up there arse and shoot them in the face with some neutron blasters.
It will make you feel a ton better watching there hull hit that last gasp of 5% knowing there spamming that warp button like a raging rabbit .
(edit you need to know what a raging rabbit is before you understand last sentence)
On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.
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Valkin Mordirc
712
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:46:26 -
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Quote: cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.
POH's secret weapon is apparently boobs then.
Huh.
Who Knew?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
163
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:40:36 -
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Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. |
Sahvi Morvaalis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:59:45 -
[76] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you.
Maybe not, but I'm sure they'd be truthful in their opinions if called as a reference. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
654
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Posted - 2015.03.10 02:03:30 -
[77] - Quote
An EVE alliance isn't obliged to act as an aspergers support group.
There are places one can go for help. Expecting EVE players to care is beyond ridiculous.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2162
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:40:55 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising.
Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 11:46:54 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.
I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much.
I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1136
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:13:15 -
[80] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell. .
Calm down, dear. Please.
A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions?
Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox. On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you
So what is your point again?
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
172
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:32:29 -
[81] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future. I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much. I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too.
I haven't seen anything in your posts in this thread that constitutes bullying. What personal grudge from outside the game are you talking about? Being a jackass on TS isn't "from outside the game". Is anyone contacting him outside the game harassing him? That would be bullying.
Are the people you are talking about even actively hunting this person down constantly in game and killing him? That *might* be harassment, but not bullying. There are people in this thread and certainly in C&P that are watchlisted and constantly hunted...still not bullying. |
Tandros Kreel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
19
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:48:45 -
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Complaining about bullying and harassment in EVE is like going swimming and them complaining about getting wet.
Seriously, go play a different game or learn how to deal with knobs like every other player (turn them into space goo). |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:50:36 -
[83] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Kithrus wrote:I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell. . Calm down, dear. Please. A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions? Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox. On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you So what is your point again? D.
Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage.
So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. It does warrant being an ass about it.
There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23229
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:57:19 -
[84] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage. And you wonder why they want nothing to do with him?
FYI inappropriate or poor humour and sarcasm in any walk of life will get you labelled as an arse, so will having a poor attitude.
Quote:So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. CVA have, by making sure that anybody they associate with or uses their space also has nothing to do with him
Quote:It does warrant being an ass about it. CVA aren't being arses, their space, their rules. People can be marked KoS in their space for absolutely any reason, or no reason at all, if they see fit.
Quote:There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point. The point is that you should stop whining about it, nobody outside of the SJW's gives a toss and CVA have done nothing that can be construed as bullying.
TL;DR Everything has consequences in Eve, looks they've caught up with both your "friend" and your corp
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:43:22 -
[85] - Quote
Bullying in bad....mkay.
Bombers Rule!!!
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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:44:57 -
[86] - Quote
Bullying in bad....mkay.
Bombers Rule!!!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:03:59 -
[87] - Quote
If you came to C&P looking for sympathy, you've come to the wrong place.
I would like to hear the other side this story because while many EVE players are asshats ingame, I don't see an entire alliance taking that much of a personal dislike to someone without a valid reason.
I suspect that if you, as a friend of this guy, are saying he's basically a bit mental and tends to be obnoxious on comms; then from an objective angle he probably said/did something spectacularly stupid. If the people that run your alliance don't want this individual in their sky then that's their prerogative insofar as they can enforce it. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
984
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:04:14 -
[88] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote: Also, damn sibs, you have mastered that character creator. You are absolutely beautiful and that pose is both provocative and intimidating. 10/10
Ill second that. Agreed, that avatar is awesome. sorry I'm late to the party. *starts speed reading to catch up*
No bullying here. Just a dude who pissed people off now they don't like him. End of story.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
984
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Posted - 2015.03.11 23:05:31 -
[89] - Quote
Marlin Spikes wrote:Bullying in bad....mkay.
I'm only liking one of your posts. No double like for you you sneak!
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Raiz Nhell
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
405
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:11:43 -
[90] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:
Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage.
So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. It does warrant being an ass about it.
There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point.
How is setting someone red and having an alliance policy not to allow reds being an ass about it...
I am red to provi block due to corp roams blowing up their stuff... (I assume) If I went to a different corp and they wanted to join provi block we wouldn't be allowed cause I'm red...
That's not bullying, that's actions having consequences... Same as your friend, he didn't gel with the community, badly enough so they don't want him back...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
72
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:59:47 -
[91] - Quote
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising.
Care to add some homophobia and racism to your misogyny? |
Marlin Spikes
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
198
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:55:07 -
[92] - Quote
Tengu Grib wrote:Marlin Spikes wrote:Bullying in bad....mkay. I'm only liking one of your posts. No double like for you you sneak!
Double post was due to my inability to operate an iPhone :)
Bombers Rule!!!
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Kiryen O'Bannon
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
221
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:06:12 -
[93] - Quote
Dutarro wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Care to add some homophobia and racism to your misogyny?
Care to add some more SJW to your whine? Calling someone a "*****" isn't misogyny any more than calling them a **** is misandry. |
Valkin Mordirc
745
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:51:29 -
[94] - Quote
Dutarro wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Care to add some homophobia and racism to your misogyny?
*Mandatory HTFU Statement insert here*
#DeleteTheWeak
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Orlacc
839
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Posted - 2015.03.12 04:35:36 -
[95] - Quote
Dutarro wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Care to add some homophobia and racism to your misogyny?
Wait....are pussies gay people? Or are pussies a race? Are clowns a gay race? Or are women gay? Confused.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
73
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Posted - 2015.03.12 07:53:46 -
[96] - Quote
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Care to add some more SJW to your whine? Calling someone a "*****" isn't misogyny any more than calling them a **** is misandry.
They're both sad examples of adolescent male rage, par for the course in this community. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2015.03.12 07:55:22 -
[97] - Quote
Orlacc wrote:Dutarro wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Care to add some homophobia and racism to your misogyny? Wait....are pussies gay people? Or are pussies a race? Are clowns a gay race? Or are women gay? Confused.
Well, you clearly offended SOMEONE. That's practically worse than murder these days. Better issue a sincere statement about how apologetic you are.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4030
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Posted - 2015.03.12 08:50:22 -
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Thread locked.
The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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