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Warrior Judas Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.03.07 18:59:51 - [1] - Quote As stated from CCP Fozzie here they will no longer be able to deal damage and are changing their role to a "fleet bonus platform" like command ships #RIPAeon
NovaCat13 Full Spectrum Inc Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 12	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:10:38 - [2] - Quote That's um... interesting
Asura Vajrarupa Sanguis Inceptum 36	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:14:29 - [3] - Quote This is good news. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Kuga Sacred Templars DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:36:09 - [4] - Quote Sounds like a Mickey Mouse role to me. I think CCP need to consider future roles of supers more carefully. Delayed local in null sec, now there's a topic. While I'm not entirely against it, I can see a glaring issue - null sec allows force projection (hot dropping), while wormholes do not. This, coupled with the issue that wormholes are more profitable and don't require sov defence will make null sec a far less attractive proposition for living. The issue of force projection (including black ops - really, why would you do this - will another gameplay option be destroyed??) will need to be dealt with before a mechanic like delayed local in null sec will be successful. People will say "have PvP'ers on hand" but we all know that doesn't work against blops strikes which usually annihilate the target before anyone can respond.
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 429	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:36:09 - [5] - Quote LOVE you CCP , now please remove Off grid boosting Please please :) CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2213	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:44:06 - [6] - Quote It's going to be funny to see what happens with the massive arsenals of the soon pointless weapons that everyone has been hording for the past 4 years. Maybe some will be put in a museum somewhere and others will be stolen and sold on the black market to arm local warlords and religious fanatics for generations to come. Oh wait, wrong game =x
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6363	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:47:08 - [7] - Quote Kiandoshia wrote: It's going to be funny to see what happens with the massive arsenals of the soon pointless weapons that everyone has been hording for the past 4 years. Maybe some will be put in a museum somewhere and others will be stolen and sold on the black market to arm local warlords and religious fanatics for generations to come. Oh wait, wrong game =x Put a big sign on them and turn them into hotels with restaurant and bar and for the love of God let us walk around in them and buy handguns in the NeX store! Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 806	Posted - 2015.03.07 20:17:04 - [8] - Quote Heh heh, typical, literally just as I was writing what is wrong with Supercaps in another thread It's not the damage, Titans can't track **, and Doomsdays are a much needed threat for other capitals. Likewise, Fighters and Fighterbombers can be defanged quickly and efficiently by practically anyone, and they are **-poor at damaging anything smaller than a Drake anyway (believe me, I've seen 50 Supercarriers launch fighters at a Tengu fleet, and seen them immediately returned as the fighters popped left and right for no damage in return). Its remote repair. Remote repair scales too well in to Capital size, rendering Supercarriers and Titans invulnerable to everything but Doomsdays (B-R was just a battle of Doomsday salvoes). Changing Supers into boost-ships doesn't really change anything, as they will still be invulnerable (and granted, if both are de-armed, they wont be able to do anything while trapped stupidly in bubbles, but they wont be dying either, so its no less a stalemate than it is today).
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6364	Posted - 2015.03.07 20:20:46 - [9] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Heh heh, typical, literally just as I was writing what is wrong with Supercaps in another thread It's not the damage, Titans can't track **, and Doomsdays are a much needed threat for other capitals. Likewise, Fighters and Fighterbombers can be defanged quickly and efficiently by practically anyone, and they are **-poor at damaging anything smaller than a Drake anyway (believe me, I've seen 50 Supercarriers launch fighters at a Tengu fleet, and seen them immediately returned as the fighters popped left and right for no damage in return). Its remote repair. Remote repair scales too well in to Capital size, rendering Supercarriers and Titans invulnerable to everything but Doomsdays (B-R was just a battle of Doomsday salvoes). Changing Supers into boost-ships doesn't really change anything, as they will still be invulnerable (and granted, if both are de-armed, they wont be able to do anything while trapped stupidly in bubbles, but they wont be dying either, so its no less a stalemate than it is today). I kind of imagine a titan should be more like the Death Star except not as round (Lucas will be sending lawyers if they did make round titans). Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 806	Posted - 2015.03.07 20:29:40 - [10] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I kind of imagine a titan should be more like the Death Star except not as round (Lucas will be sending lawyers if they did make round titans). The problem for me has always been an image/dream/reality thing. As an outsider starting the game the idea of Titans as giant grid-dominating death machines was awesome "hell yeah, I want to be there in a massive swarm clawing one of these monsters down", to me they were the ideal space-dragon. Then I actually got to face the things, and found them to be nigh-invulnerable smug-machines, that didn't even really fight in an interesting way. They just kinda sat there, didn't flinch at anything you could throw at them, and didn't really decimate anything at any speed. They just kinda bored you in to submission. I can see how we got here - we all want space-Dragons, be it to strive to claim our own, or go out in the wilderness and hunt and kill ourselves one (lets be fair, that first titan killmail is so thrilling it takes an effort of will not to frame it!). Just the mechanics don't fulfill that dream.

Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1531	Posted - 2015.03.07 20:47:34 - [11] - Quote ******** TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1448	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:06:45 - [12] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: LOVE you CCP , now please remove Off grid boosting Please please :) +1, also fix bombers so people can use BC and BS. The Tears Must Flow
Serene Repose 2344	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:15:39 - [13] - Quote Maybe the great experiment failed. My neighbor owns an Edsel! Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 309	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:40:59 - [14] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Irya Boone wrote: LOVE you CCP , now please remove Off grid boosting Please please :) +1, also fix bombers so people can use BC and BS with impunity. FIFY
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 398773	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:54:00 - [15] - Quote lol EN24 You can win Eve by not posting on the forums. My Fanclub
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 23689	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:57:45 - [16] - Quote The article shows a crowd of capsuleers out of their pods huddled around some kind of station minigame. So WiS is confirmed for the next expansion then. and never no cure from
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 266	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:57:48 - [17] - Quote Death to all supers. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe 398773	Posted - 2015.03.08 02:03:44 - [18] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: The article shows a crowd of capsuleers out of their pods huddled around some kind of station minigame. So WiS is confirmed for the next expansion then. You are so smart for figuring this out sibs. You can win Eve by not posting on the forums. My Fanclub
Hal Morsh Aliastra Gallente Federation 267	Posted - 2015.03.08 03:38:17 - [19] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: The article shows a crowd of capsuleers out of their pods huddled around some kind of station minigame. So WiS is confirmed for the next expansion then. Please don't turn WiS into half-life 3. :( It also doesn't look anything like the hexagon board games WiS had. CCP - Outpost code is scary.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 221	Posted - 2015.03.08 03:52:58 - [20] - Quote -1 for null sec "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

xxVastorxx 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2015.03.08 03:54:34 - [21] - Quote Eve born 2003 RIP Eve 2015, good bye to half your income
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society 470	Posted - 2015.03.08 04:18:05 - [22] - Quote I get the feeling June 2015 will be similar to June 2011
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2660	Posted - 2015.03.08 04:24:50 - [23] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Heh heh, typical, literally just as I was writing what is wrong with Supercaps in another thread It's not the damage, Titans can't track **, and Doomsdays are a much needed threat for other capitals. Likewise, Fighters and Fighterbombers can be defanged quickly and efficiently by practically anyone, and they are **-poor at damaging anything smaller than a Drake anyway (believe me, I've seen 50 Supercarriers launch fighters at a Tengu fleet, and seen them immediately returned as the fighters popped left and right for no damage in return). Its remote repair. Remote repair scales too well in to Capital size, rendering Supercarriers and Titans invulnerable to everything but Doomsdays (B-R was just a battle of Doomsday salvoes). Changing Supers into boost-ships doesn't really change anything, as they will still be invulnerable (and granted, if both are de-armed, they wont be able to do anything while trapped stupidly in bubbles, but they wont be dying either, so its no less a stalemate than it is today). I'd argue that remote repair is overpowered at all levels in this game. The days when people would just slug it out on a grid till someone won are gone. Now people just wait till they no longer have enough logi to hold the field and peace the hell out till a reinforcement logi fleet can be built.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2220	Posted - 2015.03.08 05:18:30 - [24] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: I get the feeling June 2015 will be similar to June 2011 What happened in June 11?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 34516	Posted - 2015.03.08 05:22:54 - [25] - Quote Kiandoshia wrote: Cancel Align NOW wrote: I get the feeling June 2015 will be similar to June 2011 What happened in June 11? Summer of rage. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6371	Posted - 2015.03.08 05:38:40 - [26] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Kiandoshia wrote: Cancel Align NOW wrote: I get the feeling June 2015 will be similar to June 2011 What happened in June 11? Summer of rage. You spelled it wrong. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Odeva Pawen Aideron Robotics 33	Posted - 2015.03.08 06:49:43 - [27] - Quote xxVastorxx wrote: Eve born 2003 RIP Eve 2015, good bye to half your income Is eve dying again? Sabriz For CSMX!
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 586	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:13:12 - [28] - Quote Agondray wrote: -1 for null sec That's redunant Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Alena McJenkins McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC 28	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:22:59 - [29] - Quote Well, I have never flown a capital or super, nor have I ever intended to. However, the very idea of removing the ability of such ships to directly do damage kinda makes me sick. Sauce.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 813	Posted - 2015.03.08 09:25:16 - [30] - Quote Interesting thought though, whats going to happen to Fighter Bombers? Moved to being usable by Carriers (and maybe Carriers might have drones removed in return, now thats a thought)? Deleted outright (Fight Bomber 5 is a loooot of sp to reinburse)? Changed into something else (what non-combat things are available? Make them ECM or logistics drones? Give them entosis links?)? And what happens to the Revenant, and more interestingly, if the Revenant and Shadow gets changed so its no longer "combat" is this an Incursion nerf? (Heh heh, but no-one thought of that )

xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers 221	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:07:57 - [31] - Quote so much change,,,,,,, loving it all.. but supers getting a kick in the balls like this,, wow what next...............
Charadrass Angry Germans 200	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:17:08 - [32] - Quote yeah. turn them into bricks... it surely isnt that you skill for over a year to get proper skills to fly a super. just take that away from customers :) ccp, youre on a good way ...to get rid of customers :)
Ancient Evils Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda 0	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:40:55 - [33] - Quote Errr .. CCP....WHY would ANYONE pay 30bil for a really big command ship .........
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 294	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:53:50 - [34] - Quote Same problem as before really. People who got in a coffin are stuck in them, short of blowing them up for 2% of their investment. The only thing that makes this dirty pool is the inability to mothball supers.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2628	Posted - 2015.03.08 11:07:23 - [35] - Quote Fozzie is awesome.
Lloyd Roses 886	Posted - 2015.03.08 11:26:09 - [36] - Quote Reading those butthurt comments in that EN article was amazing. It was literally people complaining that ships they never use have a different role they don't understand yet and that local is not the most flawlessly working intel tool anymore. RIP null :D I GÖÑ Sleipnir
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1448	Posted - 2015.03.08 11:53:11 - [37] - Quote I love this. The Tears Must Flow
Matt Emery D-sync Snuffed Out 10	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:03:53 - [38] - Quote this is ****. I dont want my super to be a glorified command ship :/
chelly Dian Shadow State Fatal Ascension 1	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:04:58 - [39] - Quote Supercaps discussion - CCP: Its a problem for herp derps that cant afford one. Basicly no small, insignificant, alliance can get enough of them to be relevant. What can we do ... So Fozzie thougt and thought and thought some more. And figured it out ! Supercap pilot - 40+ Bil on average. Mothership 20 Bil + 10+ bil fits Titan - 100 Bil + 10+ bil fits Years of training Cant dock We shall make them... Wait for it... Wait for it... USELESS ! They will become large command ships of pointless and useless. Im sure veterans will see the humor in that. Then Fozzie hit another line out of six and went off to fight bulls in Spain.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers 221	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:23:42 - [40] - Quote So when do we expect to see the name changed from supercapitals to shitcapitals

eliminator2 Moretsu pirates 23	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:28:19 - [41] - Quote i was training for a super to use in low-sec to fight of invading pirate corps but i guess now il just do what everyone does and stick with a dread and a carrier more cost effective and more useful in so many ways
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 8593	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:29:20 - [42] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: So when do we expect to see the name changed from supercapitals to shitcapitals Large Collidable Object would be better. Structures that don't shoot back.
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 44	Posted - 2015.03.08 13:28:19 - [43] - Quote Alena McJenkins wrote: Well, I have never flown a capital or super, nor have I ever intended to. However, the very idea of removing the ability of such ships to directly do damage kinda makes me sick. Gotta agree with this. I can see the reasons behind the design decision, but a capital ship not dealing damage is super silly imo. (pun intended). Just make them more about damage + perhaps the on grid bonus to subcaps than about surviving. Make it so they can be remote repped, but remote repping etc. shouldn't repair faster than direct active damage. Make 50 battleships be able to take down one capital with remote rep support.
Lloyd Roses 887	Posted - 2015.03.08 13:47:17 - [44] - Quote Subcaps being able to kill supers is the direct opposite what the average null-person wants apparently. After buying a super+toon for 30bil, you're kind of entitled to a godmode. I GÖÑ Sleipnir
Alice Saki Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125704	Posted - 2015.03.08 13:59:41 - [45] - Quote And I have become useless... as a Super pilot without Leadership maxxed... I have a bloody Dedicated Links pilot for this reason... GG G ******* G ALL THAT TIME AND ISK WASTED Selling Aeon... First you gimp us Capital pilots with bullshit timers and a heavily reduced jumping Distance and now this... What next Dreads can't Siege? FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - All I want from Xmas is YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Shinjia Promethean Laboratories Gentlemen's.Club 3	Posted - 2015.03.08 14:49:03 - [46] - Quote Alice Saki wrote: And I have become useless... as a Super pilot without Leadership maxxed... I have a bloody Dedicated Links pilot for this reason... GG G ******* G ALL THAT TIME AND ISK WASTED Selling Aeon... First you gimp us Capital pilots with bullshit timers and a heavily reduced jumping Distance and now this... What next Dreads can't Siege? I agree But shhhh no ideas to be given to make life more fozzied
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1532	Posted - 2015.03.08 15:29:14 - [47] - Quote Alice Saki wrote: And I have become useless... as a Super pilot without Leadership maxxed... I have a bloody Dedicated Links pilot for this reason... GG G ******* G ALL THAT TIME AND ISK WASTED Selling Aeon... First you gimp us Capital pilots with bullshit timers and a heavily reduced jumping Distance and now this... What next Dreads can't Siege? There, have a like! Also: seems legit TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Alice Saki Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125714	Posted - 2015.03.08 15:30:07 - [48] - Quote I like Likes :D I think I will run for CSM next year, I've been quiet for too long. FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - All I want from Xmas is YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Grytok KL0NKRIEGER 12	Posted - 2015.03.08 19:23:35 - [49] - Quote Look at all those sweet tears. Titans and mothers are finally being revamped into the sort of ships they should've been from the very beginning. Big fat stationary support-vessels. GO CCP Fozzy!
SuPeRcHeEzIt Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.03.08 19:46:46 - [50] - Quote So you're going from having a fleet of super capitals, to using one or two? I don't really get the changes. If you're going to do anything, why don't you make it so they're actually used?

Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1315	Posted - 2015.03.08 21:25:06 - [51] - Quote I can see a massive flame storm coming in with pitchforks and torches if this goes through. One does not spend 16-85 billion on a booster ship. Thats what command ships are for, thats what their roles are. Super cap's are meant for fighting super caps and assaulting pos towers. Thats what their role is. More importantly why would anyone fly a cap after that? // cap pilot since 08. Stop messing with my carrier. Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Nariya Kentaya Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1835	Posted - 2015.03.08 21:37:31 - [52] - Quote Obsidian Hawk wrote: I can see a massive flame storm coming in with pitchforks and torches if this goes through. One does not spend 16-85 billion on a booster ship. Thats what command ships are for, thats what their roles are. Super cap's are meant for fighting super caps and assaulting pos towers. Thats what their role is. More importantly why would anyone fly a cap after that? // cap pilot since 08. Stop messing with my carrier. same reason they are changing nullsec to a king of the hill minigame, they want the old players gone to make room for all the WoW kiddies now that so many have complained aboutt heir latest expansion and left not to mention they came out with their "levers and dials" spiel shortly after the "i quit" and disillusionment threads reached their peak for elite dangerous, and everyone's love of Frontier was stemming from their "no dynamic content, all things happening will be curated by Devs personally for your entertainment, unless your toof ar away from our dart-baord choices, then **** you" honestly, im putting EVE on ice until I see some kind of coherent, meaningful, and constructive content from CCP, because all phase 2 is seems to be change for the sake of change and nerfing anything that alot of people use hell, they nerfed mothers/titans because "waaah, too many people had them", so what happens when everyone is rolling again in balls of battleships using sheer numbers to make up for tracking issues on anything smaller than themselves? oh wait they cant because nothing but interceptors and recons will be able to participate in SOV minigames, but those are cruisers/frigs, so its totally okay if thats all anyone fields and of course lets shard out null into 4 servers anyways, since timezone mechanics means obviously CCP doesnt want euros playing with americans, or americans playing with aussies, or anyone playing with russians.
xxVastorxx 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2015.03.08 22:50:45 - [53] - Quote I have a eve friend that was able to get sov, without the use of any capital ships. and CCP says they need a nerf, lawl Does CCP really think that changeing the way Supercapitals are will make even better, CCP may of coded the game and all that Jazz, but it's the Eve players, that make eve what it is today, and what eve will be tomorow., takeing away something players have trained hard for and sweated isk or rl money into a game to make it great, And you just think you can simply remove it. Why not be smart about it for once, and make certain nullsec systems immune to capitals being built or brought in so the little guys actually can take sov, while the bigger guys roll around in supercapital orgys
Glathull Warlock Assassins 987	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:08:02 - [54] - Quote My god . . . it's full of tears. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1315	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:13:31 - [55] - Quote Fanfest is soon. Let the rage begin. Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Arthur Aihaken X A X 4100	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:56:38 - [56] - Quote So... Does this mean players can finally dock their Supercarriers? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Garnoo Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 136	Posted - 2015.03.09 00:47:47 - [57] - Quote but how will i use a boosting aeon for my lvl4 missions? allow super-boosters in hisec! People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5016	Posted - 2015.03.09 01:48:46 - [58] - Quote http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/03/csm9-ccp-fozzie-on-supers-on-eve.html EN24 was a touch sensationalist about it. (big surprise, no?) Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6574	Posted - 2015.03.09 07:45:18 - [59] - Quote xxVastorxx wrote: I have a eve friend that was able to get sov, without the use of any capital ships. and CCP says they need a nerf, lawl Does CCP really think that changeing the way Supercapitals are will make even better, CCP may of coded the game and all that Jazz, but it's the Eve players, that make eve what it is today, and what eve will be tomorow., takeing away something players have trained hard for and sweated isk or rl money into a game to make it great, And you just think you can simply remove it. Why not be smart about it for once, and make certain nullsec systems immune to capitals being built or brought in so the little guys actually can take sov, while the bigger guys roll around in supercapital orgys So wormholes huh also, localpocalypse ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Guardian Decsendent SL33P3R C3LL 2	Posted - 2015.03.09 08:55:18 - [60] - Quote Buying Erebus, 10b In all seriousness now, if this goes trough, it will be funny to see the WTS orders on supers.

DeadDuck The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 134	Posted - 2015.03.09 09:11:04 - [61] - Quote To good to be true... Let's wait and see, but if it happens
Another Posting Alt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2015.03.09 09:32:12 - [62] - Quote Myself and my other alts say +10 points for Grif^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H each for CCP Fozzie and CCP Seagull.
Cadre Arareb Lonetrek Blacksoul Federation Skeleton Crew. 0	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:06:10 - [63] - Quote So let me get this straight, you would screw over the modern null sec coalitions. Force them into small pockets or not even holding sov at all. Sell the supers and camp high sec with the thousands of people currently living in null. But at least low sec will be happy. Good Job CCP. LONG LIVE THE AMARR! God says we are better then you so just stop fighting.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6576	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:21:21 - [64] - Quote low sec, huh Well I hear their incursions give revenant bpcs ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 831	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:21:50 - [65] - Quote Cadre Arareb wrote: So let me get this straight, you would screw over the modern null sec coalitions. Force them into small pockets or not even holding sov at all. Sell the supers and camp high sec with the thousands of people currently living in null. But at least low sec will be happy. Good Job CCP. Are you afraid people will unsub and you'll be left with a... (GÇó_GÇó) ( GÇó_GÇó)>GîÉGûá-Gûá (GîÉGûá_Gûá) Skeleton Crew? YEEEEAAAAHHHH~
PhantomMajor High Flyers The Kadeshi 28	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:33:19 - [66] - Quote my thoughts on capital class of ships is that CCP have realised there are way to many of them and so they have to curtail their activities. They wont remove them and reimburse people with skill points so they are slowly painting Capital ships into a corner and making them obsolete. Titans are basically glorified bridging ships, Carriers with their up and coming fighter assist nerf renders them to the ratting roll as large capital fleets are being boxed out of the SOV warfare and dreads are still useful in the sense of POS bashing and the occasional localised hot drop. The dreads with the new module would still see active service as they have the ability to self-rep during this new form of SOV warfare which would leave them isolated during attacks on SOV structures. With the potential rise of Elite-Dangerous offering a true sandbox experience i feel that the older players, myself included would move to a less controlled environment, rather than catering for the xbox bunnies.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1537	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:47:38 - [67] - Quote Quote: I'm going to consolidate several threads on Supers currently active in GD in one thread. As such, as there already is a thread on the same topic, this one gets a lock. ISD choose to close the thread where people posted that are actually targeted by the nerf. Shamed he who thinks evil of it TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 507	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:53:14 - [68] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: Quote: I'm going to consolidate several threads on Supers currently active in GD in one thread. As such, as there already is a thread on the same topic, this one gets a lock. ISD choose to close the thread where people posted that are actually targeted by the nerf. Shamed he who thinks evil of it If you feel that strongly about the thread then petition to have it reopened. Make a strong enough case and it probably will be done. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1538	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:02:36 - [69] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: Quote: I'm going to consolidate several threads on Supers currently active in GD in one thread. As such, as there already is a thread on the same topic, this one gets a lock. ISD choose to close the thread where people posted that are actually targeted by the nerf. Shamed he who thinks evil of it If you feel that strongly about the thread then petition to have it reopened. Make a strong enough case and it probably will be done. Well first of your OP is way better than this one and actually raises some ideas.... TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Alice Saki Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125777	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:14:28 - [70] - Quote Don't Care I'm Useless :D FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - All I want from Xmas is YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Soldarius Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent 1172	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:30:22 - [71] - Quote Kuga wrote: Sounds like a Mickey Mouse role to me. I think CCP need to consider future roles of supers more carefully. Delayed local in null sec, now there's a topic. While I'm not entirely against it, I can see a glaring issue - null sec allows force projection (hot dropping), while wormholes do not. This, coupled with the issue that wormholes are more profitable and don't require sov defence will make null sec a far less attractive proposition for living. The issue of force projection (including black ops - really, why would you do this - will another gameplay option be destroyed??) will need to be dealt with before a mechanic like delayed local in null sec will be successful. People will say "have PvP'ers on hand" but we all know that doesn't work against blops strikes which usually annihilate the target before anyone can respond. Sounds to me like Fozzie understands how bad supercapitals are in general. Bad as in bad concept. afaic, they could be reprocessed and the mineral balance handed out to the owner and the entire game would be better for it. ofc, we all know that won't happen. So they will get a court jester's place in capital ship combat. "Look at me! I'm relevant!" http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Alice Saki Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125787	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:40:42 - [72] - Quote Fozzie, 30bil and you can have my Super... FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - All I want from Xmas is YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1315	Posted - 2015.03.09 17:53:29 - [73] - Quote Who would pay 30 bill for a booster ship? Worst idea ever. Unless that ship can make me sammiches and bacon and do certain favors for me. You know if you are going to nerf them like that........ Then why dont you make it so smaller ships can dock with them. you know a carrier can hold like 5-10 pilots in small ships? Make them moveable stations with guns! Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
True Sight Deep Freeze Industries 263	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:04:32 - [74] - Quote I'm one of those 'lurker' playtypes. my account has been active now for quite a few years and I keep training and training. I own an Orca, Rorqual, Obelisk, Anshar, thanatos and Moros... I'd always been tempted, if to come back for anything, to grab myself a Nyx and fly around in what I considered to be pure space-sex, it's remained one of my favourite looking ships in the game since they were introduced. I've dabbled in pretty much every 'career' in eve, hi-sec carebearness, low-sec livin' and also lived in pretty much every single null region there is at one point or another for various different alliances... I hate the previous capital changes (I love the impact they had, the change in capital warfare was fantastic, but I think there's a handful of ways it could have been done much differently, maintaining the awesomeness of the ships whilst having the same end result). I hate these changes anymore, if I was ever tempted to come back and continue in null again, the combination of 'don't bother getting a Nyx' and delayed local pretty much make it a moot point and I can't see myself returning to notable activity with both of those introduced.
Sbrodor Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation 41	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:20:30 - [75] - Quote AGAIN bomber nerf? cancel this ship and cancel al AOE effect and do directly a N+1 wins vs N from dotlan! we had useless void bomb damaging a lot normal bombs. 12 sec even the monkey can warpout focused bomb is unusable even for test on friendly capitals smartbomb barrier.. 'cmon don't let the monkey wins, this is not EVE.
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.03.10 00:28:21 - [76] - Quote Who ever goes to Fanfest, be sure to raise hell
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 90	Posted - 2015.03.10 03:56:55 - [77] - Quote people are over reacting in this thread. listen to the source/podcast, don't just asssume things and make a QQ thread like this, ffs. whinny kids.... Just Add Water
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.03.10 04:15:32 - [78] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: people are over reacting in this thread. listen to the source/podcast, don't just asssume things and make a QQ thread like this, ffs. whinny kids.... Oh you mean like when they nerfed supers inmunity in 2010? Or when they nerfed the drake? Or maybe when they nerfed supercarrier drones? Don't forget about the jump range nerf... or the fighter assign nerf... and now this SOV 2.0/booster supers... Yeah it's fine... CCP isn't going nerf anything else, or drastically change playstyle of a ship...
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 90	Posted - 2015.03.10 04:29:29 - [79] - Quote d0cTeR9 wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: people are over reacting in this thread. listen to the source/podcast, don't just asssume things and make a QQ thread like this, ffs. whinny kids.... Oh you mean like when they nerfed supers inmunity in 2010? Or when they nerfed the drake? Or maybe when they nerfed supercarrier drones? Don't forget about the jump range nerf... or the fighter assign nerf... and now this SOV 2.0/booster supers... Yeah it's fine... CCP isn't going nerf anything else, or drastically change playstyle of a ship... changes doesn't automatically mean nerf dude and most of those changes you listed i consider boosts. let's be honest none of these people (especially you) are gonna quit EvE because of this, what else would you do/play? Just Add Water
Chewytowel Haklar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2015.03.10 04:33:37 - [80] - Quote He/she mentioned they would move to a force multiplier role basically. We honestly have no idea exactly what they have planned though so perhaps everyone should wait and see just how this whole thing pans out?

Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1316	Posted - 2015.03.10 05:30:07 - [81] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: He/she mentioned they would move to a force multiplier role basically. We honestly have no idea exactly what they have planned though so perhaps everyone should wait and see just how this whole thing pans out? Hi you must be new here. This is the EvE online forums, where we react now and rage as hard as possible even before the plans are fully layed out. Now stop making sense and rage. Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4812	Posted - 2015.03.10 06:04:02 - [82] - Quote I thought the AFK cloaking comments would have got more attention... If local is removed in null, AFK cloakers are going to have to alt-tab into client more often to chatter in local, and I look forward to all of the comments that get posted in local in ratting systems. Imagine a N3 member sitting in a Goon ratting system, cloaked, and typing the lyrics of Call Me Maybe into chat over and over.... Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 507	Posted - 2015.03.10 08:16:21 - [83] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: d0cTeR9 wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: people are over reacting in this thread. listen to the source/podcast, don't just asssume things and make a QQ thread like this, ffs. whinny kids.... Oh you mean like when they nerfed supers inmunity in 2010? Or when they nerfed the drake? Or maybe when they nerfed supercarrier drones? Don't forget about the jump range nerf... or the fighter assign nerf... and now this SOV 2.0/booster supers... Yeah it's fine... CCP isn't going nerf anything else, or drastically change playstyle of a ship... changes doesn't automatically mean nerf dude and most of those changes you listed i consider boosts. let's be honest none of these people (especially you) are gonna quit EvE because of this, what else would you do/play? If I had a super I would gladly volunteer to be the first one involved in a sov conflict. I'm really interested in seeing how they're going to be utilised post summer. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 507	Posted - 2015.03.10 08:19:18 - [84] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I thought the AFK cloaking comments would have got more attention... If local is removed in null, AFK cloakers are going to have to alt-tab into client more often to chatter in local, and I look forward to all of the comments that get posted in local in ratting systems. Imagine a N3 member sitting in a Goon ratting system, cloaked, and typing the lyrics of Call Me Maybe into chat over and over.... Well he wouldn't really be AFK at that point would he. If anything he would just be unable to confirm precisely how many people are actually doing stuff and what kind of stuff they are doing. More to the point if local gets delayed would that justify removing pilots-in-space/pilots-currently-docked from map statistics? Because if we're going to go one step towards removing free intel we might as well remove the other. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
TinkerHell Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. 147	Posted - 2015.03.10 09:18:41 - [85] - Quote I think the main problem is really that devs are not allowed to own supers as far as i am aware on their player accounts. So you have a bunch of people who dont fly, or own the ships in a real setting balancing them. Its like having my local hairdresser repairing my car. It leads to uneducated decisions and biased opinions from the balancers, which is not what you want from a balancing team...Supers are a completely different aspect of the game, and i feel there is no one in a position that *should* be allowed to balance them from the dev team until they are allowed to own and fly them on their player accounts, There is only so much one can gain from looking at graphs.
Tirion79 Nex Exercitus Northern Coalition. 1	Posted - 2015.03.10 09:22:04 - [86] - Quote So what do we have so far in this new game they call EVE-ONGRIND. No winter megawar, gj onthe jump fatique. My first winter in years that I am actually bored to death. Supers.......well lets not mention those. GL pilots who have trained there ballz off and grinded like a mtf, gl taking it up the ass....dry Sov, going to be more a a pain. Titan's where killed a long time ago so aint gonna mention them. Wonder how long it's going to take CCP before they actually start doing things to the game that will "improve" the game instead off twisting it's neck off even further. I feel bad for all the oldtimers in this game, after years and years off sticking to the program. We are all getting a major **** in our asses. But maybe thats just me and i am beeing really negative.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1541	Posted - 2015.03.10 10:10:10 - [87] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: He/she mentioned they would move to a force multiplier role basically. We honestly have no idea exactly what they have planned though so perhaps everyone should wait and see just how this whole thing pans out? It was explictly stated that the dmg role will be removed and noone, as mentioned before, flies a SC because it can give boosts. SC/capital warefare is like a compleatly different game compared to small gang and F1 monkey cruiser fleets. To commit such a huge amount of ISK against the odds requires skill and strategies for every eventuality. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Electrique Wizard Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals 402	Posted - 2015.03.10 10:33:04 - [88] - Quote Nice, always wanted to fly a 150 bil damnation. I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack.
Tykonderoga FinFleet Northern Coalition. 33	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:03:02 - [89] - Quote Dear CCP: Thanks for making the "end game" in this game worthless. Something that takes years and years to train for and tens of billions of isk to obtain and fit is going to be made into a "niche" ship that is rarely taken out and has no offensive means to defend itself. And don't tell me a 14x skill and tens of billions of isk is not end game, because it is. Stop seeing these ships as the problem, when it is YOUR LACK OF IMAGINATION THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I don't play the game to have an Ishtar as my ultimate goal; I play the game to have the sickest and most powerful ship to be in with the most to lose if I die. And if I die, I'll will lose tens of billions of isk in the hull alone and billions in implants. SAVE THE SUPER AND BUFF THE TITAN. KEEP EVE EPIC. DON'T HAVE CRUISER HULLS BE THE END GAME. DOWN WITH MAKING EVE CAPTURE THE FLAG. SIC SEMPER TYRANIS = CCP FOZZIE.
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 79	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:14:51 - [90] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: d0cTeR9 wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: people are over reacting in this thread. listen to the source/podcast, don't just asssume things and make a QQ thread like this, ffs. whinny kids.... Oh you mean like when they nerfed supers inmunity in 2010? Or when they nerfed the drake? Or maybe when they nerfed supercarrier drones? Don't forget about the jump range nerf... or the fighter assign nerf... and now this SOV 2.0/booster supers... Yeah it's fine... CCP isn't going nerf anything else, or drastically change playstyle of a ship... changes doesn't automatically mean nerf dude and most of those changes you listed i consider boosts. let's be honest none of these people (especially you) are gonna quit EvE because of this, what else would you do/play? Those were nerf, not boosts... I can't even begin to imagine how it would boost them... I'v been around since 2004, and i'v seen how CCP rolls. I also don't remember saying i would quit... actually i have never said that, ever, on any of my toons. Sometimes i take a break, but i don't 'quit'. Now, tell me something: If you spent +1 year on a few toons to train for supers, you worked hard in-game to get the isk to have them build and properly fitted... and then... they have a huge nerf/role change/etc (and this keeps happening over the course of years), and suddenly what you like to do in the game, isn't a possibility anymore (so you once again adapt). I would think you wouldn't like it, especially when it's getting worst and worst. I still see clueless noobs saying how super's are so super and OP... Yeah ok... Clearly they haven't played this game long and never flown one. Also, when ever CCP say's "lots of those supers are too powerful" it makes me cringe because they treat us like idiots. Lots of ANYTHING is too powerfull... 100 BS... 100 interceptor... 100 ishtar... all of those are MUCH more powerful than a few of them... Strength in number... DDDDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MindRanger Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 33	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:25:18 - [91] - Quote Tykonderoga wrote: Dear CCP: Thanks for making the "end game" in this game worthless. Something that takes years and years to train for and tens of billions of isk to obtain and fit is going to be made into a "niche" ship that is rarely taken out and has no offensive means to defend itself. And don't tell me a 14x skill and tens of billions of isk is not end game, because it is. Stop seeing these ships as the problem, when it is YOUR LACK OF IMAGINATION THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I don't play the game to have an Ishtar as my ultimate goal; I play the game to have the sickest and most powerful ship to be in with the most to lose if I die. And if I die, I'll will lose tens of billions of isk in the hull alone and billions in implants. SAVE THE SUPER AND BUFF THE TITAN. KEEP EVE EPIC. DON'T HAVE CRUISER HULLS BE THE END GAME. DOWN WITH MAKING EVE CAPTURE THE FLAG. SIC SEMPER TYRANIS = CCP FOZZIE. Hey, this is not a bad thing. I'm piling all me values and assets into a few supers, logging them off and unsubbing them in some backwater system, keeping only one of my seven accounts active in an Ishtar and spending the savings on hookers and blow. If you ask me, that is a win win situation. Less time spent in a game, less TiDi and lot more fun out of game ;)
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10151	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:39:11 - [92] - Quote What ccp is doing is wrong headed (proving they don't know much about their players, especially in null), but it's not the end of the world. They've done these kinds of 'tone deaf' things before (not talking about super caps, we don't know what they will do yet, I mean the general direciton of the game) and CCP is the kind of company that needs to hit near-rock bottom before they level out and start doing things right again. It took monocle gate/Incarna to get ccp on the right track with the game the last time, but that was years ago and anyone who is an adult with a job knows that 'institutional memory' doesn't actually exist lol. Eventually, the folly of CCPs choices will catch up with them, their will again be a period of much soul searching (ie layoffs while the big wigs cover ass) and EVE Online will temporarily be set on a good track again... until the next time. TL;DR, CCP are really cylons (the hot babe kind, not the toaster kind), this has happened before, and it WILL happen again.
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 10	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:52:23 - [93] - Quote Kuga wrote: Sounds like a Mickey Mouse role to me. I think CCP need to consider future roles of supers more carefully. Delayed local in null sec, now there's a topic. While I'm not entirely against it, I can see a glaring issue - null sec allows force projection (hot dropping), while wormholes do not. This, coupled with the issue that wormholes are more profitable and don't require sov defence will make null sec a far less attractive proposition for living. The issue of force projection (including black ops - really, why would you do this - will another gameplay option be destroyed??) will need to be dealt with before a mechanic like delayed local in null sec will be successful. People will say "have PvP'ers on hand" but we all know that doesn't work against blops strikes which usually annihilate the target before anyone can respond. Wormholes require Sov defence... It's just not called sov.
Eddiie Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition. 4	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:23:40 - [94] - Quote Clearly someone got dropped on by supers in CCP and their favourite ship is the Ishtar. Incarna mk2 inc pls
Redlaw Ikaruga Evolution Northern Coalition. 11	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:07:34 - [95] - Quote Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2.
MindRanger Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 33	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:43:01 - [96] - Quote Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Defacto not only the super accounts, but their support accounts as well. Imagine a supercarrier or titan like an Abrams tank. To keep a single Abrams operational and ready for battle it requires some ~50 people supporting. Obviously not as extreme for a lousy digital supercapital, but the concept is the same. You won't have a need for logistics toons to provide fuel/stront/etc, no more cyno alts, no more scouts, no more wormhole/ratting/incursion/mission -alts to make isk for those big babies and their blingy modules (eh, how much would you want to bling up your Ishtar anyway) You may see a chain reaction... if it was up to me, I'd rather give supers a new and strategically important purpose, much like every other ship has one. Let them excel in their field just as other category ships do. Anyway, I'm not too worried about it, nerf or buff either way - it may be a sign from Bob that it's time to spend the next decade doing something else :D
Tykonderoga FinFleet Northern Coalition. 35	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:41:37 - [97] - Quote MindRanger wrote: Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Defacto not only the super accounts, but their support accounts as well. Imagine a supercarrier or titan like an Abrams tank. To keep a single Abrams operational and ready for battle it requires some ~50 people supporting. Obviously not as extreme for a lousy digital supercapital, but the concept is the same. You won't have a need for logistics toons to provide fuel/stront/etc, no more cyno alts, no more scouts, no more wormhole/ratting/incursion/mission -alts to make isk for those big babies and their blingy modules (eh, how much would you want to bling up your Ishtar anyway) You may see a chain reaction... if it was up to me, I'd rather give supers a new and strategically important purpose, much like every other ship has one. Let them excel in their field just as other category ships do. Anyway, I'm not too worried about it, nerf or buff either way - it may be a sign from Bob that it's time to spend the next decade doing something else :D Well said.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15457	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:39:20 - [98] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I thought the AFK cloaking comments would have got more attention... If local is removed in null, AFK cloakers are going to have to alt-tab into client more often to chatter in local, and I look forward to all of the comments that get posted in local in ratting systems. Imagine a N3 member sitting in a Goon ratting system, cloaked, and typing the lyrics of Call Me Maybe into chat over and over.... We would probably join in. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Nariya Kentaya Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1836	Posted - 2015.03.11 04:09:49 - [99] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I thought the AFK cloaking comments would have got more attention... If local is removed in null, AFK cloakers are going to have to alt-tab into client more often to chatter in local, and I look forward to all of the comments that get posted in local in ratting systems. Imagine a N3 member sitting in a Goon ratting system, cloaked, and typing the lyrics of Call Me Maybe into chat over and over.... We would probably join in. yeah, actual goons and actual N3 pilots dont dock up, its N3 renters that dock up and hide under threat of being kicked out if they get ganked, and its ISKmules/mooks who dock up in goon space for fear of ebing amde fun of for ratting in a 3billion isk battleship/carrier that could easily be done in a 200mil isk ship
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 510	Posted - 2015.03.11 07:25:05 - [100] - Quote Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. I have to admit I've conspicuously never seen calls for the death of supers coming from NCdot players. Although on the other hand I do still think they're a detriment to the game in their current incarnation: speaking of which what happens to fighter bombers now? Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.

Ren Oren Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2015.03.11 07:31:55 - [101] - Quote Tirion79 wrote: So what do we have so far in this new game they call EVE-ONGRIND. No winter megawar, gj onthe jump fatique. My first winter in years that I am actually bored to death. Supers.......well lets not mention those. GL pilots who have trained there ballz off and grinded like a mtf, gl taking it up the ass....dry Sov, going to be more a a pain. Titan's where killed a long time ago so aint gonna mention them. Oh yeah......I forgot the fights that do occur.....40 jumps to the fight and 40 back.......really really awesome and not a complete wast off time and fun at all. Wonder how long it's going to take CCP before they actually start doing things to the game that will "improve" the game instead off twisting it's neck off even further. I feel bad for all the oldtimers in this game, after years and years off sticking to the program. We are all getting a major **** in our asses. But maybe thats just me and i am beeing really negative. BR marked the end of "REAL WARS", N3, Goons, PL won eve and decided to largely avoid each other and mess with everyone else. This lead to null becoming a "blue donut" with people crying to the devs to give them something to do. Supers/Titans were the biggest factor in stagnation, as a newer entity could not exist in null with out the permission of the big two for fears of getting run over by supers. CCP saw that the bastardization of null needed to end
Ren Oren Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2015.03.11 07:44:27 - [102] - Quote MindRanger wrote: Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Defacto not only the super accounts, but their support accounts as well. Imagine a supercarrier or titan like an Abrams tank. To keep a single Abrams operational and ready for battle it requires some ~50 people supporting. Obviously not as extreme for a lousy digital supercapital, but the concept is the same. You won't have a need for logistics toons to provide fuel/stront/etc, no more cyno alts, no more scouts, no more wormhole/ratting/incursion/mission -alts to make isk for those big babies and their blingy modules (eh, how much would you want to bling up your Ishtar anyway) You may see a chain reaction... if it was up to me, I'd rather give supers a new and strategically important purpose, much like every other ship has one. Let them excel in their field just as other category ships do. Anyway, I'm not too worried about it, nerf or buff either way - it may be a sign from Bob that it's time to spend the next decade doing something else :D LOL non-super pilots are gonna unsub too because supers got nerfed Look N3/goons/etc just leave your space after Sov 2.0, theres plenty of former sov holders, bitter enemies, and adventurers just waiting for the chance to get their piece of the null pie.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 510	Posted - 2015.03.11 07:45:21 - [103] - Quote Life imitates art: Supers and Titans were designed during a previous incarnation of CCP. I find it hard to believe things would have turned out any other way. As we have seen in real life with only 2 real military powers existing we also see in EVE the eventual emergence of 2 significant powers. Yes, 2013/14 the large blocs 'won eve' and this much was admitted by greyscale during the o7 show. Personally I think nothing will really change. Maybe everything will change but fundamentally no it wont. There are no Josep Tito's left in EVE. There is an indoctrinated theory amongst 3rd parties that you are either one side, the other, or irrelevant. I rejoined CFC after 2 years of being out of it and suddenly I am a traitor to the whole game and get scorned by people and kicked from public channels. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad. It shows a massive disconnect between reality and ideology to treat the situation and changes of circumstances like this. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 451	Posted - 2015.03.11 09:48:13 - [104] - Quote Linking an EN24 article in the first post should be a bannable offense. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2229	Posted - 2015.03.11 11:38:11 - [105] - Quote Bananable!
MyIskBank Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.11 11:39:33 - [106] - Quote This is good new for all the noobs and those who cannot fly them! However, EVE to me and many others has been about trying to obtain the best, the rare, ..... so now what? What is there? What happens when all the "new players" want something big and shiny to fly? SOL?? CCP, I have played since 2004, I have been ok with almost every change until recently. You are pushing out the old players, and odds are, they account for most of your income. This is the only change in which I am giving serious thoughts to quitting EVE, not a break, like I have taken a few times, but quitting. I have loved EVE for over 10 years! It has been an awesome game! I understand the need for change, but this is not just change, I hope ccp can see that. That said, I'll try it, hell I haven't used my super in almost a year.... wont miss it. But I think this will be a bad choice by CCP, IMO its first BIG one.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 859	Posted - 2015.03.11 11:44:16 - [107] - Quote Ren Oren wrote: Look N3/goons/etc just leave your space after Sov 2.0, theres plenty of former sov holders, bitter enemies, and adventurers just waiting for the chance to get their piece of the null pie. What value is it to you if you didn't earn it yourself? You want a slice, nut up and take it, rather than begging for a handout.
Aster Rico Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2015.03.11 11:53:57 - [108] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: [quote=Herzog Wolfhammer] I can see how we got here - we all want space-Dragons, be it to strive to claim our own, or go out in the wilderness and hunt and kill ourselves one (lets be fair, that first titan killmail is so thrilling it takes an effort of will not to frame it!). Just the mechanics don't fulfill that dream. Beautiful
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 510	Posted - 2015.03.11 12:02:38 - [109] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Ren Oren wrote: Look N3/goons/etc just leave your space after Sov 2.0, theres plenty of former sov holders, bitter enemies, and adventurers just waiting for the chance to get their piece of the null pie. What value is it to you if you didn't earn it yourself? You want a slice, nut up and take it, rather than begging for a handout. It's not just that - they fail to create any scenario that would be compelling enough for current rental alliances and combat groups to cecede(?) From their coalitions in order to hold their own slice of pie. I could think of a couple of reasons but I'm not inclined to give it away. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Turn Around Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2015.03.11 14:50:39 - [110] - Quote Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Same here.

Incindir Mauser Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 521	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:10:22 - [111] - Quote I don't often speak up in defense of topics out of my area of playstyle, but turning super carriers into toothless stat-sticks isn't the way to go. Sitting here on my armchair developer throne, I'd rather see supers become a multi-pilot ship with offensive capabilities tied to other friendly pilots being "docked" inside the super manning glorified POS guns or commanding drone flights, totally independent of the "captain" flying it. Can you multibox it? Yes. But it's no more abusable than multi-boxing anything else in the game.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1544	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:22:58 - [112] - Quote Incindir Mauser wrote: I don't often speak up in defense of topics out of my area of playstyle, but turning super carriers into toothless stat-sticks isn't the way to go. Sitting here on my armchair developer throne, I'd rather see supers become a multi-pilot ship with offensive capabilities tied to other friendly pilots being "docked" inside the super manning glorified POS guns or commanding drone flights, totally independent of the "captain" flying it. Can you multibox it? Yes. But it's no more abusable than multi-boxing anything else in the game. That sounds intinteresting! TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Princess Cherista State War Academy Caldari State 32	Posted - 2015.03.11 18:45:43 - [113] - Quote I think they should be more closely aligned with RL carriers. If you look at a US Navy carrier or supercarrier, it is a mobile base that can transport about 200 fighter craft anywhere in the world. An EVE Online supercarrier should have an super-sized fleet hanger (FLEET HANGER DUH) kinda like a bowhead that you could fit 250 fitted and rigged ships into. These mobile platforms would go into battle escorted by a fleet, these fleet members could then reship off the supercarrier (once) as they die in battle.
Khan Wrenth Hedion University Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2015.03.11 19:03:43 - [114] - Quote You know, I actually feel bad for the pilots that trained for supers. Yes, I have been the person in the camp of "nerf the supers!". Not as something I've started threads over, but something I've generally agreed with when other people talked about it. But, it was always just a fun rallying cry like a high school pep rally. Never had I imagined anything like this. Super pilots do have my sympathies. No sarcasm there. Having the rug pulled out from under you in such a dramatic fashion is just, well, disheartening. But I also can see it might be better for the larger game. People have already pointed it out, so I don't really think I need to go over it again. But CCP long ago painted themselves into a corner by putting in this massive apex ships/force multipliers without having a good way of fitting them into the existing meta (way back when they were first introduced). They made them too powerful, no amount of ISK or train time really stopped anyone from acquiring them, especially in large numbers, then it became a clusterfluke. This is what happens when you introduce content without a good long-term plan for it fitting into the game. It became the elephant in the room in this game for far too long, then people invested heavily in them, and then you're at a point where you're upsetting people no matter what you do. This move is probably healthier for the long-term interests of the game, but the people in those ships have every right to be upset. I know I've been mildly upset every time I trained into something and it got nerfed (I had a really bad run of luck for a while). Morale of the story is: have a plan for your content and make damned sure it fits in the game. If not, adjust it quickly and sooner rather than later. HTFU.-á Adapt or die.-á Beware the falcon punch.
Bronxston Rotsuda Nex Exercitus Northern Coalition. 3	Posted - 2015.03.12 09:21:22 - [115] - Quote MindRanger wrote: Anyway, I'm not too worried about it, nerf or buff either way - it may be a sign from Bob that it's time to spend the next decade doing something else :D This! :)
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1544	Posted - 2015.03.12 15:08:00 - [116] - Quote So, are we getting ANY statement from CCP here? TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 85	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:15:36 - [117] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: So, are we getting ANY statement from CCP here? "We have decided to go as originally planned". Pretty much what they do everytime! LOL!
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 95	Posted - 2015.03.13 10:23:55 - [118] - Quote d0cTeR9 wrote: Those were nerf, not boosts... I can't even begin to imagine how it would boost them... I'v been around since 2004, and i'v seen how CCP rolls. I also don't remember saying i would quit... actually i have never said that, ever, on any of my toons. Sometimes i take a break, but i don't 'quit'. jump fatigue is definitely a boost for lowsec. Just Add Water
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 86	Posted - 2015.03.13 16:35:51 - [119] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: d0cTeR9 wrote: Those were nerf, not boosts... I can't even begin to imagine how it would boost them... I'v been around since 2004, and i'v seen how CCP rolls. I also don't remember saying i would quit... actually i have never said that, ever, on any of my toons. Sometimes i take a break, but i don't 'quit'. jump fatigue is definitely a boost for lowsec. I was referring, in perspective to super's
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 95	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:05:54 - [120] - Quote d0cTeR9 wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: d0cTeR9 wrote: Those were nerf, not boosts... I can't even begin to imagine how it would boost them... I'v been around since 2004, and i'v seen how CCP rolls. I also don't remember saying i would quit... actually i have never said that, ever, on any of my toons. Sometimes i take a break, but i don't 'quit'. jump fatigue is definitely a boost for lowsec. I was referring, in perspective to super's of course, and i was commenting on mine. Just Add Water

Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 79	Posted - 2015.03.14 02:06:19 - [121] - Quote Tykonderoga wrote: MindRanger wrote: Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Defacto not only the super accounts, but their support accounts as well. Imagine a supercarrier or titan like an Abrams tank. To keep a single Abrams operational and ready for battle it requires some ~50 people supporting. Obviously not as extreme for a lousy digital supercapital, but the concept is the same. You won't have a need for logistics toons to provide fuel/stront/etc, no more cyno alts, no more scouts, no more wormhole/ratting/incursion/mission -alts to make isk for those big babies and their blingy modules (eh, how much would you want to bling up your Ishtar anyway) You may see a chain reaction... if it was up to me, I'd rather give supers a new and strategically important purpose, much like every other ship has one. Let them excel in their field just as other category ships do. Anyway, I'm not too worried about it, nerf or buff either way - it may be a sign from Bob that it's time to spend the next decade doing something else :D Well said. Lovely circle jerk
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6649	Posted - 2015.03.14 03:22:34 - [122] - Quote Some people seem to take this way too hard. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7948	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:14:29 - [123] - Quote Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. Your statement seems at odds with the facts. "What facts?", you ask. Well, I'll give you the one metric I use on a daily basis. The Character Bazaar. I'm seeing a lot of WTBs for Carrier pilots right now. So while some angry ragequitters may be unsubbing their Carrier accts, there's a line up of new accts waiting to jump in and buy these characters. Net result on subscription numbers? No change. EVE, as usual, is not actually dying at all. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Poopicus Butts Jump Drive Appreciation Society Test Alliance Please Ignore 8	Posted - 2015.03.14 21:03:46 - [124] - Quote Death to all supers boys! yee haaaaaaaaaaw
Lisa Ouyano School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 21	Posted - 2015.03.15 01:06:15 - [125] - Quote Oh noes the nerf hammer is hitting something else! The world is ending! Eve is dying! I love tears.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 95	Posted - 2015.03.15 14:15:03 - [126] - Quote Redlaw Ikaruga wrote: Guess CCP wants to die :P somany super acounts are gonna get unsubbed if this happens, including my 2. i know UaE might have said this already but i'm gonna go for it anyway - dibs on ur stufffz!!!! Just Add Water
Tuea Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda 3	Posted - 2015.03.15 21:26:33 - [127] - Quote When I got my Nyx, I bought it because I wanted a SUPER CARRIER, not a 30 bil links ship. Having a character locked into a coffin that cant do anything other than sit on grid and provide boosts is completely uninteresting and lame. Is that even worth paying a subscription fee for? Not in my eyes..... It goes like this, lets say I bought a sports car. The reason for buying it is because I wanted something that is fast, and is fun to drive. Now lets say the very next day that awesome sports car gets turned into a pickup truck. What am I supposed to do with a pickup truck? Thats not what I wanted when I first bought it.... Same goes for buying the Nyx.


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