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Charity Jim EVE Charity 0	Posted - 2015.03.20 09:54:07 - [1] - Quote Does this increasement have something to do with yesterdays fanfest or is someone playing with prices? I heard that CCP is going to change pos mechanics or something, maybe this is the reason. Anyway I made nice cast with my orders. I bought Zydrine 381 like 2-3 days ago sold it at 472, now it's 600 and buy orders 523... I bought Megacyte 686 and sold 745, now it's 1023 and buy 860- 950 Please let me know if you know more.
Warmonger Simon Wormbro Ocularis Inferno 12	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:09:56 - [2] - Quote Could be speculation due to null ore changes that are coming.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 10	Posted - 2015.03.20 10:57:52 - [3] - Quote I have a thread on this very topic in Science & Trade - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5594827#post5594827 New Addition of abundant Nullsec Ore Anomalies at Fanfest 2015 In short, let me quote the lead Dev on the matter. Quote: "Some forms of ISK making in Nullsec need more help than others; We are ready to announce some changes we are making, specifically for Nullsec Mining --- This is also scheduled for April release There are a series of changes, which we are incorporating a lot of great ideas that came from CSM miners... The actual change is a Complete Rebuild of Nullsec ORES! After these changes, the ore prospecting array nullsec anomalies will contain only Nullsec ores, but the Nullsec ores themselves will contain ALL of the minerals you need to build everything you want to build in Nullsec." The goal here is to build a system that is much more sustainable, that allows people to increase Nullsec self-sufficiency - Allow you to build what you need to build at home." However, it could also be partly due to stockpiling for the coming Great Eve War III, and partly due to panic buying stemmed from the uncertainty in the above. After the dust settles, they could potentially crash hard depending on the Sov circumstances. You may make my wallet flash as a token of Thank You for bringing this information to you. Regards, Information Broker & CEO of Redshield Holding Company P.S. For more information & analysis of what is going to occur in the coming weeks to these price movements, I offer a 450 mil ISK one-time issue newsletter on the matter.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4869	Posted - 2015.03.20 11:17:41 - [4] - Quote So CCP have changed their opinion and no longer believe that nullsec should be forced to import Mexallon from other areas of the game? This is - interesting. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1746	Posted - 2015.03.20 12:04:49 - [5] - Quote Warmonger Simon wrote: Could be speculation due to null ore changes that are coming. Yea... a buff to them Akrasjel Lanate General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2015.03.20 22:35:02 - [6] - Quote Fozzie also specifically mentioned the price crash of Megacyte and Zydrine. I can't quote exactly but it was in the same time frame as the proper quote above. Within a few minutes either way. His tone was that the low prices were a problem. It may just have been Fozzie giving two examples of an overall nullsec minerals crash, it was an almost off the cuff comment. It may also have been Fozzie just having some fun, drop the name of two minerals accidentally on purpose and watch the effect for poops and giggles. Anyway that comment and those two minerals got picked up on fast. Within minutes the price on Jita was on it's way up, and shortly later the other hubs joined in. It may be all null sec minerals will be buffed by CCP in terms of their prices going up, in which case other minerals will also go up. Or it may be Megacyte and Zydrine specifically. CCP could do a few things. The new structures could be skewed towards null sec minerals for construction to increase demand for them. If CCP makes null sec more mining self sufficient, then that reduces the incentive to ship null sec minerals to high sec. e.g. if freighters don't need to visit high sec to buy high sec minerals then they won't be bringing out null sec minerals to make the trip even more profitable. They will only bring out null sec minerals when the market makes the trip worthwhile.
Paranoid Loyd 4290	Posted - 2015.03.20 23:12:32 - [7] - Quote INB4 Mr Omniblivion says I told you so. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 16	Posted - 2015.03.21 12:21:55 - [8] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Fozzie also specifically mentioned the price crash of Megacyte and Zydrine. I can't quote exactly but it was in the same time frame as the proper quote above. Within a few minutes either way. His tone was that the low prices were a problem. It may just have been Fozzie giving two examples of an overall nullsec minerals crash, it was an almost off the cuff comment. It may also have been Fozzie just having some fun, drop the name of two minerals accidentally on purpose and watch the effect for poops and giggles. Anyway that comment and those two minerals got picked up on fast. Within minutes the price on Jita was on it's way up, and shortly later the other hubs joined in. It may be all null sec minerals will be buffed by CCP in terms of their prices going up, in which case other minerals will also go up. Or it may be Megacyte and Zydrine specifically. CCP could do a few things. The new structures could be skewed towards null sec minerals for construction to increase demand for them. If CCP makes null sec more mining self sufficient, then that reduces the incentive to ship null sec minerals to high sec. e.g. if freighters don't need to visit high sec to buy high sec minerals then they won't be bringing out null sec minerals to make the trip even more profitable. They will only bring out null sec minerals when the market makes the trip worthwhile. Someone bought up all the Zydrine upto 600 ISK p/u and Megacyte upto 1k p/u all across Empire yesterday.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 16	Posted - 2015.03.21 12:44:17 - [9] - Quote There has been a sizeable Megacyte jump today in Jita just under 900-930. I expect it to disappear soon.
Charity Jim EVE Charity 0	Posted - 2015.03.21 17:45:39 - [10] - Quote Good intel No more Zydrine or Megacyte in that price range ;)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 21	Posted - 2015.03.22 21:02:52 - [11] - Quote A Zydrine dump 50 million m3 in volume has surfaced in Jita again, priced currently at 583.85.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4883	Posted - 2015.03.22 21:59:02 - [12] - Quote I don't see this ending well for the speculators, but I'm open to being proven wrong. I forsee a dramatic increase in null mining post sov overhaul and Meg/Zyd will still be the most oversupplied minerals. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 21	Posted - 2015.03.22 22:50:59 - [13] - Quote Indeed. Speculation is very risk-involved. One simply can't go against market forces, involving cyclical inflection points.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4885	Posted - 2015.03.23 00:24:39 - [14] - Quote Edit: My post should not be taken in any way to mean that I don't think there's opportunities to flip Zyd/Mega in the short term. I just think buying for medium term holding is going to go badly. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 79	Posted - 2015.03.23 03:32:45 - [15] - Quote I'm starting to see this as "buy the rumor, sell the news"
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 26	Posted - 2015.03.23 03:43:10 - [16] - Quote As is ordained by the Almighty, there are always two sides - the Ying & the Yang, the up and the down - to one coin. The concept can apply both ways, however you have to interchange the buy & sell. Moreso, that would only be the start of the story. I won't spoil it.
Adunh Slavy 1606	Posted - 2015.03.24 01:19:00 - [17] - Quote There is no such thing as the right price, all we know for certain is that the price of Zyd, Meg and to a smaller degree, morph, do not match up well with the general build ratios, this however may be of little concern to CCP. It seems they're more interested in null sec mining what it needs with out having to ship it. As such, that is where the price would change first. Other mineral price changes would be a secondary manifestation. Despite all of CCP's efforts however, high sec continues to dominate the production landscape and very likely always will; sans any disastrously draconian measures imposed by CCP. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 558	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:00:04 - [18] - Quote GankYou wrote: A Zydrine dump 50 million units in volume has surfaced in Jita again, priced currently at 583.85. And I'm sure that's the tip of the iceberg. I have Zydrine and Megacyte I bought two years ago. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn Department 10 224	Posted - 2015.03.24 10:48:32 - [19] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I don't see this ending well for the speculators, but I'm open to being proven wrong. I forsee a dramatic increase in null mining post sov overhaul and Meg/Zyd will still be the most oversupplied minerals. 'Stupid is as stupid does'. I agree that idiots in nullsec flooded the market rather than using one brain cell and rationing out how much they sold. CCP Fozzie is about to make null-sec self-sufficient. The amount of renters in null-sec will increase exponentially resulting again in another massive drop in the price of Zydrine & Megacyte. Then the same whinging null-sec people will start whinging about the prices again. " They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick. " Find out what ? "-áAbraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick. Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 31	Posted - 2015.03.24 12:16:00 - [20] - Quote Ioci wrote: GankYou wrote: A Zydrine dump 50 million units in volume has surfaced in Jita again, priced currently at 583.85. And I'm sure that's the tip of the iceberg. I have Zydrine and Megacyte I bought two years ago. That isn't questioned. Anyone who's investing, is betting on Eve's bright future, where market distortions are abated, there's major increase in the number of new players along with new peaks in pilot activity. Eve Great War III is also a major figure in that bet. A few greater concern for those involved should be directed to the Lower end minerals, as their prices return to historical means in due time.
NFain Drifter Bits 119	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:19:10 - [21] - Quote Speculation Forecast... UP UP AND AWAY! More at 11.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 37	Posted - 2015.03.27 03:36:22 - [22] - Quote P.S. Relevant - http://i.imgur.com/9DzaphC.jpg Musical. Chairs.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 38	Posted - 2015.03.28 01:05:07 - [23] - Quote Horses, horses everywhere, and the barn's on fire. Here's one: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5620390#post5620390
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 79	Posted - 2015.03.29 22:50:21 - [24] - Quote I thought it was a buy the rumor, sell the news, but apparently not, price is strong and I have a ton of the stuff @ 300 and 600 entries Making bank
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 523	Posted - 2015.03.30 03:30:06 - [25] - Quote Basically, CCP had created a system that was providing a gigantic surplus of zyd and mega based on the ores available in nullsec. Zyd and Mega were so oversupplied that it caused prices to plummet, and people in null that would be mining ore switched to ice, in many cases. Any change that CCP makes would have to decrease the supply and/or increase the demand of zyd and mega in order to not completely destroy mining in null. The question isn't whether or not zyd and mega will continue to increase in price- the question is how long will the stockpiles last until we see the true equilibrium post change. If you're looking for long term returns that you can sit on, zyd and mega are the place to find it. Unless you had a stockpile or picked up a ton at 420/740 (heh) then this won't be a place to make huge profits quickly. I'm bummed that I didn't stock up more at the insanely low prices that they were at- I wasn't actually expecting them to make this change so quickly.
Morukk Nuamzzar EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 25	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:47:44 - [26] - Quote Went up, again Hurry, sell everything nao Profit
Current Habit Get LP or Die Trying 47	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:21:14 - [27] - Quote just sayin
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 79	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:24:32 - [28] - Quote Morukk Nuamzzar wrote: Went up, again Hurry, sell everything nao Profit Nope buying dips and holding
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 46	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:29:14 - [29] - Quote Sell... Buy Capital Ships?! Sell... Buy... Zydrine?! Sell... Buy... Hold... Mexallon?! Sell... Buy... ANYTHING?! Too many choises. I've been to Catch and Stain recently - in my Yacht, of course. The mineral prices in Stain region track Empire's pretty well, but the ones in sovereign outposts and stations in Catch are lagging. Volume in this sov space is very thin, however.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 46	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:36:37 - [30] - Quote Oh, you mean this thread gets attention now, because Zyd is at 1,150 ISK p/u and Megacyte 1.6k? http://i.imgur.com/88HDwPP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fvHSDO2.jpg My momma always said: Keep Zyd to Mega ratio at 3. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê GûæGûêGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÇGûæGûÇGûÇGûæGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûêGûÇGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 79	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:10:47 - [31] - Quote GankYou wrote: Oh, you mean this thread gets attention now, because Zyd is at 1,150 ISK p/u and Megacyte 1.6k? http://i.imgur.com/88HDwPP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fvHSDO2.jpg My momma always said: Keep Zyd to Mega ratio at 3. CCP Fozzie comments today on o7 Show, can be found at 21:30 - http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/popout?videoId=a644494144 CCP Fozzie wrote: So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price. We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building. ... We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê GûæGûêGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÇGûæGûÇGûÇGûæGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûêGûÇGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê Continued, CCP Fozzie wrote: We need to actually catch up some of the industry in Eve to match the original goals for the consumption of minerals - one of the things that has been slowing down in nullsecks mining, is that the consumption of high ends - Megacyte and Zydrine wasn't as high as originally intended to be relative to everything else. So, actually in our end of APRIL patch we are going to be, with a couple of small exceptions, doubling the usage of Megacyte and Zydrine in every blueprint in the game that has any of those. I did offer a One-time issue Analysis Paper for investors for a mere 450 mln ISK back on 21st of March. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê GûæGûêGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÇGûæGûÇGûÇGûæGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûêGûÇGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê Sure that wasn't a April Fools joke, lol Wow, so basically the same thing that happened to T3 subs, lovely :)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 47	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:58:42 - [32] - Quote It was hinted at during the March 2015 Fanfest, that some minerals would get increased consumption. I've made a similar post with an addendum in my March thread in the Science & Industry section - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5634188#post5634188
Morukk Nuamzzar EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 25	Posted - 2015.04.02 06:06:42 - [33] - Quote Do you guys remember when high end mineral prices were 4000 Megacyte and 1600 for Zydrine? Not that someone wasn't complaining back then, as always: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1039499
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 49	Posted - 2015.04.02 06:09:12 - [34] - Quote Everything is returning to equilibrium, as it should be - So It Will Be. Told you not to go against markets at cyclical inflection points. Anyone have any Mexallon lying around? Oh... P.S. Don't be this guy - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=416309&find=unread Everything had been crystal-clear for the people with the eyes to see, as documented by yours truly.
Faridah Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.04.02 08:22:51 - [35] - Quote History have shown CCP tend to overshoot when it comes to 'minor adjustments' Megacyte and Zydrine prices will also overshoot, but not until some time after the changes. Also, do some excel PvP on the mods that use those minerals. Some of them are still priced fairly low, like cynos.
Theo Sotken Mother Knows Best Corporation 34	Posted - 2015.04.02 10:47:09 - [36] - Quote Why make the nullsec ore changes AND the blueprint changes at the same time? Isn't there a new release cycle that allows CCP to make smaller changes and make further changes as needed. But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 461	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:05:01 - [37] - Quote What I don't understand is that if you can get everything that you need to build from null sec ores then high and low sec ores should become useless. If you mine null sec ores to get the high end minerals and get a whole bunch of low end mins with them and move the high end ores to high sec then you'll have ass tons of low ends laying around that no one will have use for. This whole thing just does not sound like it was thought out well.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 51	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:08:54 - [38] - Quote Theo Sotken wrote: But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell. Please elaborate. You know, people used to actually mine in lowsec, when it was profitable to do so. I like it when people say dramatic things, which will turn out to be exactly the 100% opposite, only to divert attention from the real coming cataclysms. Like Mexallon.
Cpt Bunny The Scope Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:30:12 - [39] - Quote In a related Story, Market Traders are wondering why the price Of Nocx has been dropping in the last two days, correcting itself from an artificial high or is there more to it?
Adunh Slavy 1607	Posted - 2015.04.04 05:00:47 - [40] - Quote GankYou wrote: Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively. That was a long time ago, and were the hoped targets when drone poop was removed. This time the market reaction has been a bit different, and more volatile. Spikes to 2K were slower to come, and supply to meet those spikes was also slower. The past two days have seen swings of ~1000 ISK in the secondary hubs, that pace was not observed last time. The cause, who is to say, but interesting. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 64	Posted - 2015.04.04 14:46:09 - [41] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: GankYou wrote: Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively. This time the market reaction has been a bit different, and more volatile. Price simply doubled on the manufacturing input news. Quote: The past two days have seen swings of ~1000 ISK in the secondary hubs, that pace was not observed last time. There were no such swings in Domain/Jita. Secondary hubs are illiquid, hence it was all over the place for a day or two. http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=40#history http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=39#history Chart history goes back only 7 years. See you this Summer.
Morukk Nuamzzar EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 25	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:36:57 - [42] - Quote GankYou wrote: Chart history goes back only 7 years. Soem interesting stuff indeed... Zydrine - Price History (2008-2015) Buy order 2008-10-28: 2.5031,34 Zydrine Megacyte - Price History (2008-2015) Buy order 2009-08-25: 4.024,22 Megacyte
Adunh Slavy 1607	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:47:57 - [43] - Quote GankYou wrote: There were no such swings in Domain/Jita. My transaction log, over the past few days, would beg to differ, with regards to Domain. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 64	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:28:58 - [44] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: GankYou wrote: There were no such swings in Domain/Jita. My transaction log, over the past few days, would beg to differ, with regards to Domain. People over-reacted a little in Domain by buying out the whole stock of Zyd there. It only lasted a few short hours, though. P.S. Didn't want to bore you with several pages worth of transactions, so here: http://i.imgur.com/8Agg100.jpg // http://i.imgur.com/8KC8TaK.jpg // http://i.imgur.com/fsXoXyJ.jpg Quiet month ahead, see you around Summer time.
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 80	Posted - 2015.04.04 20:51:12 - [45] - Quote Megacyte just jumped to 2162 Zydrine followed jumping to 1997 Wowza
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 80	Posted - 2015.04.04 21:36:59 - [46] - Quote Update, Mega still holding @ 2159.44 - 1950.06 Zydrine was a flash in the pan, it jumped for a moment then quickly fell back to 1540.00-1080.54 (Probably going to pre-evening jump levels)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 66	Posted - 2015.04.04 21:54:40 - [47] - Quote Still satisfying demand in Domain. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê Pyerite @ 1.45 bn Units under 13 dumped in Amarr - first time I'm seeing this kind of volume for this mineral in Domain region.
Max Powerhausen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.04 22:27:15 - [48] - Quote Only 503,647 of mega left in glorious Providence, someone(s) brought almost all of it http://i.gyazo.com/ae9fc3f782fade1f24a4ada13b7b8397.png
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 68	Posted - 2015.04.05 02:16:53 - [49] - Quote Judging by the buy orders, the price must've been decent. I've been to Catch and Stain on the 28th, as I've mentioned earlier, Zyd and Mega were around 450/750 in sov space, thin volume however. I think demand has been duly satisfied throughout the week and today especially - Any higher, without lowends rebalancing lower, and Tech 1 production stops. Renters should be scrambling to farm as much ABC as they can before the end of April, and dump it on the market. The aroma of ISK in the morning. Ahh.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 69	Posted - 2015.04.05 19:24:15 - [50] - Quote Since the move has finished, time to recap: Megacyte: Since having bottomed around 694 ISK p/u, it moved 1406 ISK during the month of March and first week of April, setting a avg. bid high of 2,100 ISK p/u. This highend mineral retraced all of it's decline since the Spring-Summer of 2014. Zydrine's advance from the lows around 395 ISK p/u set a new multi-year high around 1488 ISK p/u in the same time period - a 1093 ISK move! This marks prices never seen since the Summer of 2013. Price retracement throughout the month is likely, as current manufacturing consumption does not yet reflect the bid price, along with new supply becoming readily available and in large quantities, as nullsec entities scramble to farm these two minerals. Sources used: Fuzzywork.co.uk market data, High bid values; Eve-markets for macro analysis.
Traedar InterStellar Trading Syndicate 26	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:21:18 - [51] - Quote This should be interesting. In the old days, before the drone regions, Zydrine was regularly around 3300-3700 and Megacyte was like 4400. But logistics of getting high ends to Jita were very different back then. The big thing is, if the devs are really going to give null sec folks all the low ends they need to build then there won't be any reason to drag high ends to empire except for profit. No more bringing it in and hauling out compressed low ends to build titans. It will only be brought in because it is "OMG Profit" to do so. Also, now the logistics are easier of moving stuff from null to empire via jumping but now there is an ISK cost whereas before all it required was a grunt willing to haul. And there is jump fatigue now. Any thoughts on these things?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 70	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:59:15 - [52] - Quote Traedar wrote: The big thing is, if the devs are really going to give null sec folks all the low ends they need to build then there won't be any reason to drag high ends to empire except for profit. Exactly that. Jump Freighters currently carry useful cargo both ways. Of course, on big Mega/Zyd shipments, there will always be a JF available. For the right cut. Quote: No more bringing it in and hauling out compressed low ends to build titans. It will only be brought in because it is "OMG Profit" to do so. Just like the Good Old Days. Poking Arkonor in a Miner II-fit Thorax, then hauling it back to Empire in a frig-ceptor. Freelancers will be supplying the high ends. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Soldarius Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent 1235	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:15:13 - [53] - Quote Morukk Nuamzzar wrote: Do you guys remember when high end mineral prices were 4000 Megacyte and 1600 for Zydrine? Not that someone wasn't complaining back then, as always: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1039499 I remember this vividly. It was when the Drone Poo nerf was announced. I was buying up Zydrine and Nocxium in a small/medium market/mission hub. But the speculators crashed it before it hit my price point. Was one of the few times I've ever actually lost a significant chunk of isk on speculation and/or market manipulation. Fun times. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:04:36 - [54] - Quote GankYou wrote: No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. It would still be more efficient for null to mine the high end ores and import the lows. In order to accomplish their goal, they'd have to change the mineral composition of the high end ores themselves. And that is what I think they are going to do. You don't have to take out much Zyd/Mega to compensate for adding a large volume of low ends to the ore composition. Another Fozzie related quote I remember is him saying something to the affect of, "We have to balance for the good of the whole game and not just one area." I think a secondary goal for them will be to revitalize low-sec mining. If null is going to use most of their Zyd/Mega, where is high sec going to get it, low-sec? (If they do it smartly, CCP will account for mission loot reprocessing as well.) But I hope that they realize that low-sec's lack of mining has always been due to a number of human factors. A decade ago, when high end minerals weren't so abundant and low sec mining was nearly worth it, people still didn't mine in low because the returns were a bit too low when coupled with the typical lazy roid-ripping mentality. However, with faction war and highly organized low-sec corps, today's low-sec is now a nightmare compared to what it used to be. With the inefficiencies of ninja mining (dock-up time), low sec ores would have to be worth 3-6 times more than what you can get in high sec. I think that high-sec ores will take a dive and CCP will again be using medium and high end minerals to bait more people to null security. Remember, they have always said that they want more people in null, always. I think this is because they believe that null's necessary camaraderie keeps players around for longer, which is understandable. I've noticed that the markets are seem to be in limbo, with the number of buy orders down along with their prices. And that isn't because they are increasing Zyd/Mega usage in BPOs by whatever amount, as anyone can predict what that will do. No, everyone knows that the fate of this 2015's market is hinging on how they implement the null sec ore changes. The people in the best position to profit off of this situation now are those with good knowledge of the mineral volumes (including manufactured exports) that are exported to null.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 73	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:21:29 - [55] - Quote Fzhal wrote: GankYou wrote: No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. How will it become dirt cheap without people having mined it in the first place? Good luck exporting Mega/Zyd to Hisec that is needed for your own production. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:33:48 - [56] - Quote GankYou wrote: Fzhal wrote: GankYou wrote: No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. How will it become dirt cheap without people having mined it in the first place? Good luck exporting Mega/Zyd to Hisec that is needed for your own production. Because that is all that the high-sec miners can safely mine. They will mine it because 6 mil an hour is better than ninja mining at 30 mil an hour and losing a 250 mil ship every week or two. The vast majority of high-sec miners are risk averse. If high end ore content remains the same (but low-end roids are added), while Mega/Zyd BPO usage goes up, null miners would be more efficient to continue to mine Mega/Zyd in large quantities, use the higher profits to beef up their low-end importation, which would land them back in the same situation they are trying to "fix".
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 73	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:38:22 - [57] - Quote You said lowends will become dirt cheap without Nullsec having mined them in the first place due to, in your opinion, fail-of-an-implementation in Nullsec ore changes. Is a contradiction. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:52:15 - [58] - Quote GankYou wrote: You said lowends will become dirt cheap without Nullsec having mined them in the first place due to, in your opinion, fail-of-an-implementation in Nullsec ore changes. Is a contradiction. I do not see the contradiction. I've been very specific in my use of ore and minerals, but perhaps you didn't pick up on it. My argument is that they will change the mineral content of high-end ores. Fzhal wrote: I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. It would still be more efficient for null to mine the high end ores and import the lows. In order to accomplish their (CCP's) goal, they'd have to change the mineral composition of the high end ores themselves. And that is what I think they are going to do. You don't have to take out much Zyd/Mega to compensate for adding a large volume of low ends to the ore composition. If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore. But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have. Since Null currently imports most of their low end minerals from High, the change will mean a surplus because null doesn't need to import it anymore.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 73	Posted - 2015.04.07 18:25:59 - [59] - Quote Fzhal wrote: If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore. CCP Fozzie wrote: So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price.We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building. ... We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks. More Tritaniumz in ABC? I don't think so. Rather, less ABCs, more of the rest, so that people won't have the choice but to mine lowends, after they cherry pick all of the ABCs out. Of course, some brilliant people will be selling their Mega/Zyd with ISK in their eyes. And then rebuying it from Empire at a premium in either hulls, modules, or both. Quote: But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have. Tough luck. Hisec mining is/should be like level 1 thru level 2 missions. Is a shame that Level 4 missions in the same Hisec are skewing risk-reward/time for all other activities - but what can you do. vOv ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:07:00 - [60] - Quote GankYou wrote: Fzhal wrote: If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore. More Tritaniumz in ABC? I don't think so. Okay, you got me there, I should have said null ores. Regardless, CCP wants null to have less excess, and that means that high sec won't see as much Mega/Zyd imported or low end minerals exported. That is a double whammy... Make that a triple whammy, since they are drastically increasing Mega/Zyd requirements in almost all BPOs. GankYou wrote: No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. When you said that, I thought you meant that you expected them to add veldspar roids to null belts... GankYou wrote: Fzhal wrote: But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have. Tough luck. Hisec mining is/should be like level 1 thru level 3 missions. No argument there... Overall, I agree that this has high potential to revitalize Eve. The problem will be that they are changing so many things in Null at once, that they will have trouble 1) figuring out root causes 2) tweaking one system without negatively impacting the others. Yep, within the next 3-5 releases they are going to be re-sculpting everything that is 0.0. This is going to be one of the biggest events in Eve's history. Upcoming Changes: Null belts/ore content (has put the markets in limbo) Null mineral increase in BPOs Structures, which primarily affect Null (specifically, ship safety will be re-defined no matter how hard they try to keep it the same) Sovereignty mechanics This is too much at once. There will be too much noise/interplay between these new systems to the point that CCP is will be unable to pinpoint the right things to tweak among all the changes that were made in null's interconnected ecosystem.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 73	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:13:31 - [61] - Quote Fzhal wrote: GankYou wrote: Fzhal wrote: If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore. More Tritaniumz in ABC? I don't think so. Okay, you got me there, I should have said null ores. Regardless, CCP wants null to have less excess, and that means that high sec won't see as much Mega/Zyd imported or low end minerals exported. That is a double whammy... Make that a triple whammy, since they are drastically increasing Mega/Zyd requirements in almost all BPOs. Alliance industrial mining will go to their own needs, whatever surplus highends remain will end up in Empire. As discussed on Page 3, I think the real Zyd/Mega suppliers* are going to be Freelancers. Empire prices reaching multiple times higher than what is observed today is not unexpected. At current prices, taking only highends into consideration, a Venture's cargohold would be worth 1.82 mil ISK for basic Arkonor, around 1.62 mil for Bistot and 1.94 mil for Crokite. Double that for a Prospect frigate. 50 mil / hour mining - we're getting there. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.*
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 7	Posted - 2015.04.07 19:59:35 - [62] - Quote Indeed. My gut tells me that CCP will try to recreate the mining hay-day from way back, where Null mining was worth 70 up to a hundred-something ISK/hour. The difference now is that alliance manufacturing infrastructure has matured. So instead of bringing it all back to sell in Empire (hay-day), they'll have the capacity to use most of it. As such, I expect for the majority of high-sec's Mega/Zyd will probably come from renter space, and the rest to be filled by Low-sec corps (large enough to have a buffer zone) in addition to freelancers ninja mining in Low and W-space IF... CCP can find the sweet spot where the price is high enough for the risk. The problem I'm having is how to capitalize. I didn't have a stash of Mega/Zyd. :( Is there somewhere to get data on what and how much Low/Null gets from High and how much is produced there? Those with a good understanding of alliance logistics are the people who stand to capitalize the most on the market's reactions. I thought about investing in POSs, but the huge unknowns for the upcoming Structure and Sov changes put too many unknowns into the equation. BPOs will probably be more heavily traded and moved to null. Other than that, is there a spreadsheet somewhere that lists mineral ingredients by BPO? The only safe bet is to expect manufactured items with little to no Mega/Zyd to come down in price?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 73	Posted - 2015.04.07 20:18:42 - [63] - Quote Fzhal wrote: The only safe bet is to expect manufactured items with little to no Mega/Zyd to come down in price? All mineral prices can spike initially on Wars and rumours of Wars. I think the complete lowend supply/demand rebalance will take at least till the end of Summer, the end result and timeline is subject to the scope & re-inventing of the role of capital ships, complete details and ensuing dynamics of the new Sovereignty 5.0 system, and the exact specifics of the null ore changes. On lowneds, post in the appropriate thread - found in this very forum section. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Adunh Slavy 1607	Posted - 2015.04.08 00:37:29 - [64] - Quote GankYou wrote: [quote=Fzhal] Good poast - http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?10878-Isk-is-not-enough-why-nullsec-is-unplayable-for-single-account-players Sad but all too true. Tried it a couple of times myself, same results as the poster. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4950	Posted - 2015.04.08 05:18:48 - [65] - Quote With the forthcoming marginalization of supercapitals, I expect a massive, massive mineral sink to largely disappear from the game. Decreased demand. Now add in people mining because of the defensive bonuses provided by a high industrial index... I highly doubt they will just mine the ore and ignore it, they will dump it on the market. Increased supply, and this will hit Mega and Zyd too. I expect a basket of minerals (let's say what's needed to build 1000 battleships) to fall in value over the next year, although this certainly does not mean every individual mineral will fall or that there will not be sharp rises at times. As for the next two months - it's anyone's guess. I am certain that some of the people buying Zyd and Mega now will get burned hard, however. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 182	Posted - 2015.04.08 08:38:17 - [66] - Quote GankYou wrote: Fzhal wrote: GankYou wrote: No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. How will it become dirt cheap without people having mined it in the first place? Good luck exporting Mega/Zyd to Hisec that is needed for your own production. Fzhal wrote: I think that high-sec ores will take a dive and CCP will again be using medium and high end minerals to bait more people to null security. Remember, they have always said that they want more people in null, always. And this is exactly what is going to happen. Hisec had it, and still does, for too good for far too long. For the vast majority, life in Null, compared to Hisec, is bordering on inhumane levels in most aspects of the gameplay. This is a game, you know. Good poast - http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?10878-Isk-is-not-enough-why-nullsec-is-unplayable-for-single-account-players We will create our own truly Sovereign Empires and Freeports. Regarding the post you linked on the other site EVE Online isn't really about solo-players and you won't get the most benefit out of the game if you play it that way no matter which sec status system you reside in.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 182	Posted - 2015.04.08 08:53:44 - [67] - Quote Fzhal wrote: Indeed. My gut tells me that CCP will try to recreate the mining hay-day from way back, where Null mining was worth 70 up to a hundred-something ISK/hour. The difference now is that alliance manufacturing infrastructure has matured. So instead of bringing it all back to sell in Empire (hay-day), they'll have the capacity to use most of it. As such, I expect for the majority of high-sec's Mega/Zyd will probably come from renter space, and the rest to be filled by Low-sec corps (large enough to have a buffer zone) in addition to freelancers ninja mining in Low and W-space IF... CCP can find the sweet spot where the price is high enough for the risk. The problem I'm having is how to capitalize. I didn't have a stash of Mega/Zyd. :( Is there somewhere to get data on what and how much Low/Null gets from High and how much is produced there? Those with a good understanding of alliance logistics are the people who stand to capitalize the most on the market's reactions. I thought about investing in POSs, but the huge unknowns for the upcoming Structure and Sov changes put too many unknowns into the equation. BPOs will probably be more heavily traded and moved to null. Other than that, is there a spreadsheet somewhere that lists mineral ingredients by BPO? The only safe bet is to expect manufactured items with little to no Mega/Zyd to come down in price? I wouldn't invest in POS BPOs atm as it isn't yet clear as to what CCP will do with the new structures. They could do straight swap-overs for the new tech or they could just do some kind of ISK or materials type reimbursement which may fall well short of the actual, or market, ISK value.
Herman Menderchuck AscendoTech Research and Development 5	Posted - 2015.04.08 14:59:30 - [68] - Quote Bethan Le Troix wrote: I wouldn't invest in POS BPOs atm as it isn't yet clear as to what CCP will do with the new structures. They could do straight swap-overs for the new tech or they could just do some kind of ISK or materials type reimbursement which may fall well short of the actual, or market, ISK value. I don't think CCP would convert BPOs to materials as it would upset the enconomy too greatly just adding loads of stuff out of nowhere. An ISK reimbursement seems unlikely as well, but if they do go that way, all people will lose is the research time. That being said, a straight swap would be the most likely (medium tower BPO ---> medium structure BPO, etc.) as I can imagine the prices will be around the game. There is supposed to be an XL structure as well, which would mean NO one would have that particular BPO ahead of time.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 75	Posted - 2015.04.10 06:44:31 - [69] - Quote Dev blog details imminent. Or not. Beware of falling knives. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Khorvek Dead Pool Syndicate 4	Posted - 2015.04.12 10:31:41 - [70] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Fozzie also specifically mentioned the price crash of Megacyte and Zydrine. I can't quote exactly but it was in the same time frame as the proper quote above. Within a few minutes either way. His tone was that the low prices were a problem. It may just have been Fozzie giving two examples of an overall nullsec minerals crash, it was an almost off the cuff comment. It may also have been Fozzie just having some fun, drop the name of two minerals accidentally on purpose and watch the effect for poops and giggles. Anyway that comment and those two minerals got picked up on fast. Within minutes the price on Jita was on it's way up, and shortly later the other hubs joined in. It may be all null sec minerals will be buffed by CCP in terms of their prices going up, in which case other minerals will also go up. Or it may be Megacyte and Zydrine specifically. CCP could do a few things. The new structures could be skewed towards null sec minerals for construction to increase demand for them. If CCP makes null sec more mining self sufficient, then that reduces the incentive to ship null sec minerals to high sec. e.g. if freighters don't need to visit high sec to buy high sec minerals then they won't be bringing out null sec minerals to make the trip even more profitable. They will only bring out null sec minerals when the market makes the trip worthwhile. Supply and demand drives markets whether its speculators in the middle or just producer and consumer. So the lower prices either means people have less demand, or there's too much supply. Lots of people choose to run multiple accounts to make their mining easier. Lots of other people choose to go into the ore/mining market and then sell their goods for low prices. People either don't know better, or are resistant to raising their prices, because they want high liquidity for their goods and cant "afford" to wait for market prices to get better. They want that ISK now to do something with it. The problem is similar to the problem of energy or water conservation; if you believe everyone else is wasting, you won't bother trying to conserve because you're just a drop in the ocean. Maybe Prisoner's Dilemma is more accurate, and I haven't played in the market very long, but it seems like something is keeping smalltime miners destitute. We all feel that mining sucks for isk gains, and whether its those types that run 10 ships on one computer which create competition to drive prices down for people that only have one account and one miner character, or that people in that profession are constantly underselling themselves because of ignorance, or market fear, or need for high turnover and isk, whatever the reason, mining has always been the red-headed stepchild to mission running. I thought they tried to nerf mission running heavily recently with loot and reprocess nerfs and mission runners were very upset about that. They might have to deal with a similar income to miners or something. Why are supercaps going to be marginalized? That would suck.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 87	Posted - 2015.04.12 11:00:57 - [71] - Quote Khorvek wrote: Lots of people choose to run multiple accounts to make their mining easier. Lots of other people choose to go into the ore/mining market and then sell their goods for low prices. People either don't know better, or are resistant to raising their prices, because they want high liquidity for their goods and cant "afford" to wait for market prices to get better. They want that ISK now to do something with it. This oversupply had started with the introduction of broken ore anomalies in null. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf Educate oneself. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/ - Arkonor ISK per volume used to be on par with Scordite last year. Full circle. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2015.04.12 14:58:40 - [72] - Quote How long will the market be disrupted by this change? It seems prices were getting stabilized after the crius changes. Now there will be a price advantage for manufacturers who had a big stockpile of megacyte and zydrine at the old prices & I'm guessing there is a lot of building of items that require megacyte and zydrine before the required amounts double. Won't this lead to a lot of future posts, "Why are ____ selling for so much less than I can build them?"
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 87	Posted - 2015.04.12 17:39:34 - [73] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: Won't this lead to a lot of future posts, "Why are ____ selling for so much less than I can build them?" That happens to commodities that drop in popularity, or where various manufacturing facilities/networks give an edge - mainly capital ships and their components. Battleships currently in a situation you describe. I'm not sure of the amount of ready inventory stockpiled, but even with the doubling of input, Zyd/Mega should last us through most of the Summer at current-ish prices. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 7	Posted - 2015.04.12 19:37:01 - [74] - Quote Khorvek wrote: Supply and demand drives markets whether its speculators in the middle or just producer and consumer. So the lower prices either means people have less demand, or there's too much supply. Lots of people choose to run multiple accounts to make their mining easier. Lots of other people choose to go into the ore/mining market and then sell their goods for low prices. People either don't know better, or are resistant to raising their prices, because they want high liquidity for their goods and cant "afford" to wait for market prices to get better. They want that ISK now to do something with it. The problem is similar to the problem of energy or water conservation; if you believe everyone else is wasting, you won't bother trying to conserve because you're just a drop in the ocean. With how close the buy and sell prices are these days, it doesn't make sense to create a sell order. I was actually in this situation, where I had 900 million worth of compressed high-sec ores and the difference between buy and sell was 40-60 million. So, as an experiment, I put it up on the market. It took about a month. So why would anyone do that when they could start making 15% + profit now, instead of waiting to get that 840 million a month later?
Khorvek Dead Pool Syndicate 4	Posted - 2015.04.12 22:10:05 - [75] - Quote GankYou wrote: Khorvek wrote: Lots of people choose to run multiple accounts to make their mining easier. Lots of other people choose to go into the ore/mining market and then sell their goods for low prices. People either don't know better, or are resistant to raising their prices, because they want high liquidity for their goods and cant "afford" to wait for market prices to get better. They want that ISK now to do something with it. This oversupply had started with the introduction of broken ore anomalies in null. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf Educate oneself. Cherry-picking and farming ABCs is a path of least resistance. Would you run Level 3 missions, if you had the equipment, the standing and the access to Level 4s? Does said mission running require one to stop this activity completely in order to retain optimum profit levels? What's more, you not only get passive LP accumulation which can be cashed out at a later date, you also get paid bounties, rewards and other miscellanea. Or take manufacturing for an example: You can diversify out of a crowded trade into the thousands of commodities that are in the game; not an option for null mining to either 1) poke Empire ores; 2) Stockpile ABCs that you mine without selling them, netting you a grand total of 0 income. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/ - Arkonor ISK per volume used to be on par with Scordite last year. Full circle. de-beers makes money keeping diamonds out of circulation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_liquidity Quote: This old church building for sale in Cheshire, England, has relatively low liquidity. It could be sold in a matter of days at a low price, but it could take several years to find a buyer who is willing to pay a reasonable price. Like I said, people sell their ores cheap because they want the isk now. If everyone held onto their ores like Fzhal, you'd see sharp increases in prices across the board.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 87	Posted - 2015.04.13 00:53:07 - [76] - Quote Khorvek wrote: de-beers makes money keeping diamonds out of circulation. This analogy does not apply to either Megacyte or Zydrine. Technetium, perhaps, but not those two due to 1) Abudance; 2) no effective means of restricting supply; 3) loose conglomeration of renters & freelancers being the procurers, because of point one. Quote: This old church building for sale in Cheshire, England, has relatively low liquidity. It could be sold in a matter of days at a low price, but it could take several years to find a buyer who is willing to pay a reasonable price. Does not apply to commodities where supply is virtually inexhaustible. CCP had ballooned it, and now they're fixing it. Full circle. Quote: Like I said, people sell their ores cheap because they want the isk now. If everyone held onto their ores like in Fzhal's example The people who mine these ores do not have tens of billions in assets/liquid ISK to sit back & enjoy fine Zydrine wine, otherwise they wouldn't be mining in the first place. That's one. Two is: the sheer amount of potential ABCs volume available, makes even a slight volume dump on the market, develop into panic-selling. Three: At no point is such a scenario possible, where withholding sales would constitute even a modest rise in the price of either Megacyte or Zydrine due to, once again, over abundance of these resources. Quote: you'd see sharp increases in prices across the board. In such a scenario, the person who selling first, sells best. What you're looking for is Technetium, or Dysprosium as the diamonds of Eve. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 7	Posted - 2015.04.13 03:56:17 - [77] - Quote Khorvek wrote: Like I said, people sell their ores cheap because they want the isk now. If everyone held onto their ores like in Fzhal's example, you'd see sharp increases in prices across the board. No offense, but your points are invalidated by reading comprehension and common sense. 1. You missed my point entirely. You make more ISK selling immediately and reinvesting than waiting for it to sell. 2. Like GankYou said, you're talking about price-fixing with thousands of players. At best, this is the equivalent of a reverse pyramid scheme, and more realistically like playing chicken with thousands of players.
Khorvek Dead Pool Syndicate 4	Posted - 2015.04.13 08:39:43 - [78] - Quote And people used to be paid 12 cents to lose fingers in the U.S. until worker's rights. If people valued their own time more than 1 million isk every few hours, they'd take up other work until the lack of minerals raised prices to coax them back. No pyramid scheming required, just players learning not to be taken advantage of. The problem comes back to people choosing to go into a job market that has poor payout because everyone else wants to be paid shittily too.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 90	Posted - 2015.04.13 10:38:08 - [79] - Quote You addressed none of the points presented. Keep thinking you can counter-act market forces of supply, where it is essentially limitless, and demand, which is moderate at best. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 8	Posted - 2015.04.13 15:37:54 - [80] - Quote Khorvek wrote: The problem comes back to people choosing to go into a job market that has poor payout because everyone else wants to be paid shittily too. TLDR: You're wrong, in multiple posts, because you don't seem to be thinking things through or explaining with sufficient logical detail. Before posting your proposals, please step through them with real-world situations (in detail) looking for inconsistencies and explain the logical steps you've used to reach your conclusions. Khorvek, your argument seems to be the equivalent of one of the American Republican party's main thoughts about poor people, "If they poor don't want to stay poor, then they should just work harder or smarter." (Then insert a line saying they should just done one other simple thing.) As it turns out though, working harder does very little (except lose fingers more quickly) and becoming educated to a point where you understand how to best make use of the market's (job or trading) intricacies is costly and unguided so that your goal may not match up to the path you feel is the best to take. Sitting from where you are, with all your experience, the solutions seem obvious and simple. That line of reasoning essentially stops at "If they want to stop being poor, then they should just stop acting poor." While that is true, at a high level, it is also so terribly wrong when you look at the details. To put it in mathematical terms, there's an equation (game mechanics/players/decisions/market) and the solution (where an outcome is that miner ISK/hour is low). You've proposed that a better solution can be attained by replacing thousands of players' secular knowledge and situations for you and your perspective/knowledge with situations dismissed. From a high level, there seems to be nothing wrong with doing that because the math equation works (as long as all miners act like a secular version of Marx's utopian communists). But the basic scientific method says that you that A) The equation's components must match up to verifiable observation and B) The solution must make a prediction that can be verified. If everything we know about human psychology, sociology, and free markets says that the components of your equation won't happen, we have no reason to take you seriously.
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 266	Posted - 2015.04.13 17:08:01 - [81] - Quote This thread has turned to Nytol.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 281	Posted - 2015.04.13 17:50:56 - [82] - Quote Fzhal wrote: Khorvek, your argument seems to be the equivalent of one of the American Republican party's main assertions about poor people, "If the poor don't want to stay poor, then they should just work harder (or smarter)." (Then insert a line saying they should just do one simple thing.) As it turns out though, working harder does very little (except lose fingers more quickly) and becoming educated to a point where you understand how to best make use of the (job or trading) market's intricacies is costly and unguided so that your goal (understanding how to maximize ISK/hour) may not match up to the educational path you follow to look for answers. Sitting from where you are, with all your experience, the solutions seem obvious and simple. Your line of reasoning essentially stops at "If they want to stop being poor, then they should just stop doing things in a way that keep them poor." While that is true at a high level, it is also so terribly wrong when you look at the details. If everything we know about human psychology, sociology, and free markets says that the components of your equation won't happen, we have no reason to take you seriously. So the problem of poor wages is an endlessly abundant supply of poor people?
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 8	Posted - 2015.04.13 18:00:07 - [83] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: So the problem of poor wages is an endlessly abundant supply of poorly educated people? Fixed it for you.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 91	Posted - 2015.04.13 18:09:59 - [84] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: This thread has turned to Nytol. The Ineffable Market Forces - rekkin' lives since Time began. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Garr Khan Drifters Social Club 46	Posted - 2015.04.14 22:24:07 - [85] - Quote Oh man... so much for that Mega/Zyd speculation... glad I saw the devblog quick and was able to dump to sells.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 97	Posted - 2015.04.14 22:24:16 - [86] - Quote New information from CCP Fozzie - [April] Ore, Mineral and Nullsec Mining Anomaly Revamp https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=418719&find=unread Quote: Arkonor: Tritanium: 22000 Mexallon: 2500 Megacyte: 320 Bistot: Pyerite: 12000 Zydrine: 450 Megacyte: 100 Crokite: Tritanium: 21000 Nocxium: 760 Zydrine: 135 To people who had rushed to mine Crokite this month - my condolences. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Adunh Slavy 1610	Posted - 2015.04.15 00:23:33 - [87] - Quote GankYou wrote: Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting. Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Jori McKie New Caldari Bureau of Investigation 229	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:24:24 - [88] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: GankYou wrote: Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting. Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements. I'm not so sure. There are several lowsec systems/pockets surrounded by highsec and don't forget all the godforsaken lowsec systems at the end of world in Genesis, Khanid, Kador, Kor-Arzor, Molden Heath, Derelik etc. more or less all lowsec without FW. There are systems with less than 25jumps per day. The risks in that systems aren't higher than being ganked in highsec. Question will be how much more profit you can get and of course finding some miners with courage ;) As example look at the Genesis map: 3x lowsec systems surrounded by highsec: Beke, Vecamia, Ahbazon 2x lowsec pockets surrounded by highsec: Mih and Ashela constellation "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 81	Posted - 2015.04.15 06:38:46 - [89] - Quote Garr Khan wrote: Oh man... so much for that Mega/Zyd speculation... glad I saw the devblog quick and was able to dump to sells. Its up right now, also speculations would mean "We believe X might happen" however the devs are telling you right to your face what they are gonna do (Remember T3 subs?)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 97	Posted - 2015.04.15 12:27:14 - [90] - Quote Jori McKie wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: GankYou wrote: Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting. Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements. I'm not so sure. There are several lowsec systems/pockets surrounded by highsec and don't forget all the godforsaken lowsec systems at the end of world in Genesis, Khanid, Kador, Kor-Arzor, Molden Heath, Derelik etc. more or less all lowsec without FW. There are systems with less than 25jumps per day. The risks in that systems aren't higher than being ganked in highsec. Question will be how much more profit you can get and of course finding some miners with courage ;) As example look at the Genesis map: 3x lowsec systems surrounded by highsec: Beke, Vecamia, Ahbazon 2x lowsec pockets surrounded by highsec: Mih and Ashela constellation Yes. I've met a few successful Lowsecks mining corporations around Khanid, Tash-Murkon, Genesis area. With Rorquals. This could get interesting, as bigger entities move into LS, following their inability to retain their empires in FozzieSov. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 104	Posted - 2015.04.17 14:31:47 - [91] - Quote Quiet month ahead. The lady with a sell order of 40.8 mln units of Zyd priced at 1510 p/u will have to update her order much more often. Xaxaxa Quiet month ahead. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 81	Posted - 2015.04.18 16:36:25 - [92] - Quote And with that kids, what have we learned Buy the rumor, sell the news
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 273	Posted - 2015.04.18 16:38:33 - [93] - Quote GankYou wrote: The lady with a sell order of 40.8 mln units of Zyd priced at 1510 p/u will have to update her order much more often. Quiet month ahead. someone put up a single sell order for 40.8 mill zydrine in a single order??? you are kidding??
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 108	Posted - 2015.04.18 17:58:59 - [94] - Quote What can I say, inexperienced speculators with double digit returns in 15 minutes in their eyes. vOv ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 273	Posted - 2015.04.18 18:08:28 - [95] - Quote I don`'t know which scares me the most. That they would try and sell it in a single order, mind boggles. Or how someone silly enough to try and sell it all in a single order has that much in the first place. Either way that's seriously messed up. I only sold a few million of meg and zyn, and even that amount I broke up quite a lot. That's the market equivalent of an ALOD for me, 40 mill zydrine in a single sell. Who's the seller?
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 273	Posted - 2015.04.18 18:20:06 - [96] - Quote I just logged on my Jita alt to take a look. There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst? All those with dollars signs in their eyes realising they have to actually sell the stuff to make the profit, or they will actually lose money. There is a very real danger of this crashing if "investors" realise all they have is a large pile of zydrine not ISK right now and it starts becoming difficult to cash out their tulips. Bubble = about to pop? and if zydrine goes, megacyte will be dragged right along behind it as "investors" try and avoid the same fate twice.
Adunh Slavy 1610	Posted - 2015.04.18 21:37:57 - [97] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst? The bubble is the over supply. It'll take time to consume. There is enough over supply to send prices down where they were. If it happens, buy. If you can afford it, hold for the long sell. If everyone panics and sells, that would be a good thing for me, so by all means, panic. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 274	Posted - 2015.04.18 22:32:33 - [98] - Quote I'm already all out. I intend to get back in after the panic cascade has squeezed every last broken tear out of the market. Someone has to pay for my profit.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 108	Posted - 2015.04.18 22:39:10 - [99] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: I just logged on my Jita alt to take a look. There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst? All those with dollars signs in their eyes realising they have to actually sell the stuff to make the profit, or they will actually lose money. At least it is not a leveraged CFD, where a 2% move can wipe you out. They might exit the trade at break-even in a month, or three. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 274	Posted - 2015.04.19 00:28:16 - [100] - Quote If they are competing to exit, the poop has already hit the fan.
Koniforous Tauren Transit 229	Posted - 2015.04.19 00:33:30 - [101] - Quote I'm just waiting for this mountain to crash into the depths of an ocean so I can hold on and sell once its a valley..... TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending TAUTX: Collateral Liquidation / Discount Items [TAUTX: Weekly Lotteries][3] [TAUTX: 3rd Party Services][4]
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 532	Posted - 2015.04.20 05:16:08 - [102] - Quote The bubbles are starting to burst! Oh no! Please fill my buy orders, thanks
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 109	Posted - 2015.04.20 10:29:09 - [103] - Quote Real men only buy from sell orders and sell to buy orders in times like these. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 83	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:31:36 - [104] - Quote GankYou wrote: Real men only buy from sell orders and sell to buy orders in times like these. So you buying now?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 114	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:58:56 - [105] - Quote https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=40&regionid=10000002 Take a look and tell me if I'm buying. There is another set of commodities that will triple in value in the next month, so I wouldn't want to have capital locked down in minerals, which could last till at least the mid of Summer, or whenever the current mountains run out to meet actual demand 1:1. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Koniforous Tauren Transit 229	Posted - 2015.04.21 00:37:48 - [106] - Quote GankYou wrote: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=40&regionid=10000002 Take a look and tell me if I'm buying. There is another set of commodities that will triple in value in the next month, so I wouldn't want to have capital locked down in minerals, which could last till at least the mid of Summer, or whenever the current mountains run out to meet actual demand 1:1. Moongoo? I really dont know enough about this game to make an educated guess.... TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending TAUTX: Collateral Liquidation / Discount Items [TAUTX: Weekly Lotteries][3] [TAUTX: 3rd Party Services][4]
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4997	Posted - 2015.04.21 04:55:04 - [107] - Quote Eh, if there's any mineral I feel is speculation-friendly at the moment, it's Morphite. Looks like supply will decrease under the new system which will allow more cherry picking. Not touching it personally - I feel there's opportunities there but I don't know quite enough about null mining to be confident investing in this market in a big way. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2015.04.21 18:08:53 - [108] - Quote Zydrine has fallen off a cliff in Amarr :) Things could be about to get very messy this weekend. There's 16 mill of support at 807, but after that there is no floor.
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 83	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:40:15 - [109] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Zydrine has fallen off a cliff in Amarr :) Things could be about to get very messy this weekend. There's 16 mill of support at 807, but after that there is no floor. Glad I bailed, made a very nice profit on the way up, now I'm looking for my next victim.... I mean asset GankYou can you give us a clue... is it a raw material or finished product?
Koniforous Tauren Transit 229	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:26:06 - [110] - Quote I'm starting to think it might be plex...... TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending TAUTX: Collateral Liquidation / Discount Items [TAUTX: Weekly Lotteries][3] [TAUTX: 3rd Party Services][4]
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 120	Posted - 2015.04.22 02:22:41 - [111] - Quote Ren Oren wrote: virm pasuul wrote: Zydrine has fallen off a cliff in Amarr :) Things could be about to get very messy this weekend. There's 16 mill of support at 807, but after that there is no floor. Glad I bailed, made a very nice profit on the way up, now I'm looking for my next victim.... I mean asset GankYou can you give us a clue... is it a raw material or finished product? Raw. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Tomb Ovaert Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.22 07:00:42 - [112] - Quote oh boy, the farmers are bringing all these minerals non-stop now. got out close to 1.4k and sold my remaining Megacyte just now
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 277	Posted - 2015.04.22 07:09:56 - [113] - Quote GankYou wrote: Ren Oren wrote: virm pasuul wrote: Zydrine has fallen off a cliff in Amarr :) Things could be about to get very messy this weekend. There's 16 mill of support at 807, but after that there is no floor. Glad I bailed, made a very nice profit on the way up, now I'm looking for my next victim.... I mean asset GankYou can you give us a clue... is it a raw material or finished product? Raw. Not quite raw GankYou, close to raw, but not quite raw :)
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 277	Posted - 2015.04.22 07:24:06 - [114] - Quote The trouble with PLEX is the room to move. PLEX are a good solid long term investment but the growth of them isn't going to do what other things can do. Less of a gamble true, but less returns. Lets say PLEX hit a billion, that's possible. They may even go over a billion, but a billion is a realistic goal for PLEX maybe? One billion would represent roughly a 12% return on investment for PLEX. Compare this to megacyte and zydrine which doubled ot tripled depending on where you got in/out. That's 200-300% plus return on investment. For PLEX to be the next megacyte or zydrine PLEX would have to jump to 1.6 - 2.4 billion plus to see the same returns. I don't think this is at all realistic. PLEX have an almost infinite supply, anyone can buy one at any time for real life cash, this by it's very nature acts as a massive limiter on the maximum ISK price of PLEX. The next megacyte zydrine is already starting to happening. GankYou and others have dropped clues as to what it is. People won't start openly saying what it is until they have filled their boots and cannot afford to buy any more. It will take longer than megacycte and zydrine to go up, the jump won't be quite as fast but it should start trending upwards and stay on that course for a long time to come. The is talk it might dip a little first before going up but I don't think it will. My boots are not yet full, but I'm working on it :) All my megacyte and zydrine profits are sat in buy orders atm. There is more risk to this than megacyte and zydrine, but that risk drops the longer term you are prepared to stick it. The returns should be just as good.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 131	Posted - 2015.04.23 14:07:14 - [115] - Quote 38.2% = 1139 50% = 997 61.8% = 854 Pyrates Beware! Picked up a few Zydrines for cheap-o over the week - http://i.imgur.com/0sfsGBX.png Would gladly buy everything upto 1500 p/u, but alas I have liquid tied to another trade at the moment. With complete loss of Zyd yield in Arkonor and 63% reduction in the case of Crokite, along with ABC volume adjustments in the Ore Anomalies themselves, I see the current supply mountain crashing - http://i.imgur.com/1pcV6K4.png Given the doubling of manufacturing input requirements on April 28th, my medium-long term price target is around 3340 ISK for Zyd and 4,707 ISK p/u for Megacyte. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research 558	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:13:26 - [116] - Quote You missed a spot. http://imgur.com/98hkV9B .
Alexi Stokov State War Academy Caldari State 29	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:22:07 - [117] - Quote Yeah, why did you blank out some sections but not others in your zydrine stock pic?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 131	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:26:12 - [118] - Quote Don't be hurt. As a side point - the correction in Megacyte doesn't appear to be done just yet. 38.2% = 1797 50% = 1587 61.8% = 1376 Net yield for Megacyte remains practically the same, so if one wishes to take a trade here, you'll have to compare the new Arkonor volumes per each Ore Anomaly. The Small anomaly AB volumes have been reduced by 52-68%. Alexi Stokov wrote: Yeah, why did you blank out some sections but not others in your zydrine stock pic? Keep them guessing as to the total amount. Last time it was 48 million. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Hemmo Paskiainen 475	Posted - 2015.04.23 22:18:47 - [119] - Quote Theres a little gold mine somehwere. Ditched 100b in it, wouldnt exect a fast return, but if it go's it go's x7 easy. Pocket change but still, who sais no against free isk? "Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn Department 10 231	Posted - 2015.04.24 07:59:08 - [120] - Quote Koniforous wrote: GankYou wrote: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=40&regionid=10000002 Take a look and tell me if I'm buying. There is another set of commodities that will triple in value in the next month, so I wouldn't want to have capital locked down in minerals, which could last till at least the mid of Summer, or whenever the current mountains run out to meet actual demand 1:1. Moongoo? I really dont know enough about this game to make an educated guess.... He is talking about SKINS. " They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick. " Find out what ? "-áAbraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick. Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 281	Posted - 2015.04.24 09:53:41 - [121] - Quote It's not SKINS or PLEX.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5017	Posted - 2015.04.24 11:26:01 - [122] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: EDIT to add. This new gold rush has it's higher risk mitigated by the fact that the stuff is actually useful to the right people. At the moment if you are holding a huge stack of megacycte or zydrine you are effectively shafted if you can't move it. It's consumed in such small quantities that holding a large stockpile is holding a dead item. The new gold rush does not suffer that issue, or at least for the right characters it doesn't. PS I skipped a gold rush in the ship skins, but it's too late now if you missed it. It's the key component for Tactical Destroyer invention. I was going to buy into them but I fear I've missed the opportunity. Not buying them at present prices although I may regret this decision. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 138	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:02:29 - [123] - Quote While the SKINs can also be considered as raw via BPCs, there are other raw resources in mind. So much raw stuff to buy, must buy all the things. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5018	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:47:14 - [124] - Quote Oh, I'm not talking about building Confessors or Svipuls. It's Jackdaws on release day that I'd be doing if I was trained appropriately. I had made a mental note to buy up those things but didn't pull the trigger on it, forgot, and as a result have very little stock. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 138	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:53:00 - [125] - Quote If the other two destroyers come adjusted, then I doubt people would be paying 80m to fly those. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5018	Posted - 2015.04.24 13:20:35 - [126] - Quote GankYou wrote: If the other two destroyers come adjusted, then I doubt people would be paying 70m to fly those. However... scrap that - they used to pay twice the amount for frigates. You underestimate people's willingness to try the Big New Thing. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 138	Posted - 2015.04.24 13:38:52 - [127] - Quote That new big thing will also be efficient at what it is intended to do. Agreed, double the price of Interdictors could be reasonable for some time. Back on topic: I find there is no great pressure to sell an asset in Eve, following a major move on the news of fundamental change in its essence. Even the people who got in on Megacyte around the 2480 ISK p/u level, their unrealised loss is only at 24% currently, so long as they don't sell. In the leveraged real world, this move would develop further down as the stakes are very high and the stops are very tight. Also, the absence of short-selling further prevents larger corrections, as the initial buyers, having enjoyed the move up, don't initiate sell positions after closing on their buys. The only inconvenience, in this particular case of Zyd & Mega, is having your capital locked into these minerals for a few weeks to a month, or whenever the price reaches break even. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 281	Posted - 2015.04.24 15:31:07 - [128] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: virm pasuul wrote: EDIT to add. This new gold rush has it's higher risk mitigated by the fact that the stuff is actually useful to the right people. At the moment if you are holding a huge stack of megacycte or zydrine you are effectively shafted if you can't move it. It's consumed in such small quantities that holding a large stockpile is holding a dead item. The new gold rush does not suffer that issue, or at least for the right characters it doesn't. PS I skipped a gold rush in the ship skins, but it's too late now if you missed it. It's the key component for Tactical Destroyer invention. I was going to buy into them but I fear I've missed the opportunity. Not buying them at present prices although I may regret this decision. Your next big thing might be that but it's not mine and I don't think it's Gank's either. Come to think of it I don't think it's yours either. I seem to remember seeing that you already have a good idea of what the next big thing is so I can only assume this is a SECOND attempt by you to deflect attention :)
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 85	Posted - 2015.04.24 19:38:53 - [129] - Quote GankYou wrote: That new big thing will also be efficient at what it is intended to do. Agreed, double the price of Interdictors could be reasonable for some time. Back on topic: I find there is no great pressure to sell an asset in Eve, following a major move on the news of fundamental change in its essence. Even the people who got in on Megacyte around the 2480 ISK p/u level, their unrealised loss is only at 24% currently, so long as they don't sell. In the leveraged other real world beyond The Eve Gate, this move would develop further down as the stakes are very high and the stops are very tight. The absence of short-selling further prevents larger corrections, as the initial buyers, having enjoyed the move up, don't initiate sell positions after closing on their buys. The only inconvenience, in this particular case of Zyd & Mega, is having your capital locked into these minerals for a few weeks to a month, or whenever the price reaches break even. GankYou do you still charge consultation fees for market tips?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 164	Posted - 2015.04.24 19:47:13 - [130] - Quote Not at this time. That was a one-time issue newsletter for those entrepreneural enough. I find the lack of short-selling in Eve very limiting with regards to the number of possible different trades one can undertake - it's all BUY, BUY, BUY. Otherwise, I'd be shorting the shiet out of the Lowend mineral market right now. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Adunh Slavy 1612	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:24:03 - [131] - Quote GankYou wrote: I find the lack of short-selling in Eve very limiting with regards to the number of possible different trades one can undertake You can dump the market down to your buy orders, at least to within broker & tax fee range. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 164	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:37:30 - [132] - Quote Why would I want to do that? Where's the profit in that. I can see it being done with minimal volume orders, but it is not effective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_%28finance%29 Apart from dumping all your current liabilities, i.e. battleship hulls, capital ships, which are exposed to the resources you'd like to short, there is no other way to influence the market. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5022	Posted - 2015.04.25 02:01:11 - [133] - Quote I'm in the somewhat awkward position of needing a sizable number of lowend minerals each few days at present which has been interesting. I keep posting buy orders lower each time. If Mex falls into the 30s I intend to buy several tens of millions of units for something, if a few bigger market actors have similar ideas we may see some support. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 165	Posted - 2015.04.25 02:50:28 - [134] - Quote Mexallon into the 30s p/u would be pre-capital bubble, though entirely possible - http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=36#history Mid 40s in the next few months is also a likely scenario, but we should really take this into the appropriate thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=417056&find=unread ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 168	Posted - 2015.04.25 19:56:02 - [135] - Quote Stealing a Brig! I may have been wrong in my earlier technical analysis of Zydrine. You see, it is hard to ascertain where a particular move ends, and sometimes where another one begins, with liquidity often being thin, and I must therefore revise my work in the following manner - http://i.imgur.com/RN4a3YV.png It is reasonable to assume, then, that true price discovery would be along the scope of the average price, and not merely sell orders. Then, the correction continues, as the current sub-wave "b" of the corrective Wave 2 is about to terminate, or has done so already, which is always followed by a third move down, as the people who got in at the top of the previous major move up (Wave 1 - V), close as many positions as they possibly can. Buy orders during this time stop chasing the ask price, and are fulfilled quickly and in bulk - speaking of which: When I see 18 million unit single Sell orders on the market - http://i.imgur.com/Ke4ipVX.png - I just close the remaining positions, as I don't compete with speculators, especially of this level, http://imgur.com/a/S7eoX#5 - Spot the true demand. Furthermore, without Lowends rebalancing lower in a few months time, their share of the cost will not be spread around Zydrine & Megacyte without this glorious event ever happening in the first place, as all Battleship, all Battlecruiser production stops overnight with it becoming unprofitable to manufacture these hulls for a considerable period to come, further depressing the market which barely recovered after the Tiericide. So, all-in-all, without Entosis links being exploded everywhere - Coming July? Check their BoM! - and without major disruption in Null renter space, coupled with the current JF jump ranges, plus no tangible consumption increase as the whole Tech 1 production suffers shock and enters a paralysis, courtesy of the current Lowend Lion's share of the costs, I see Zydrine and Megacyte staying at present levels at best and will revisit sub-1,000/1,800 p/u in the near term. The lady, who previously had a 41 mil Zyd sell order @ 1510 and since pulled, but now with 70 mil units & counting in Jita, will surely supply the economy for months to come - 3,500 battleships-worth under the new inputs! My only hope right now is that the courier, who had undertaken to move 10% of my Zyd holdings, will not deliver it to me tonight, as the contract expires in less than 4 hours. One can hope. If I'm wrong, I will have made less money, if everyone else is right - they make more money. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Adunh Slavy 1613	Posted - 2015.04.26 05:42:20 - [136] - Quote GankYou wrote: I can see it being done with minimal volume orders, but it is not effective at the levels and time frames that I operate. No harm in size, but it is the only short we've got. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1071	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:07:49 - [137] - Quote GankYou wrote: I may have been wrong in my earlier technical analysis of Zydrine. considering that technical analysis is completely discredited nonsense, yes, you will frequently fail to predict the future using it
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1071	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:11:38 - [138] - Quote actual analysis: demand for zyd is going up, supply will be going down tomorrow, these will lead to a new equilibrium price higher than now, which will largely depend on what price miners will demand to supply enough zyd from nullsec anoms instead of ratting the only delaying factor is the amount of stockpiled zyd, something unknowable from looking at pretty graphs and engaging in the exceedingly well-known phenomenon of seeing patterns to chaotic data that do not exist
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:01:46 - [139] - Quote actual analysis: demand for zyd is going up, TRUE supply will be going down tomorrow, FALSE these will lead to a new equilibrium price higher than now, GUESS AND OPINION which will largely depend on what price miners will demand to supply enough zyd from nullsec anoms instead of ratting TRUE
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:18:27 - [140] - Quote Logically smaller investors should sell up Megacyte and Zydrine now - even if at a loss - and buy back in later when the price has dropped more. They recoup the drop either as profit, or to offset their losses. It's the psychological difference between "If I sell now I've made a loss on my investment, if I hang on I should be OK." versus the more logical "OK if I sell know I've made a loss but it's falling, I can buy back in after it falls more, and recoup profit to offset my loss, and still end up with the same holding." Real life traders find this one of the hardest skills to learn, getting out before additional loss occurs because if they sell now they will make a loss and who wants to sell at a loss? If they just stay in it will recover won't it?
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 286	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:39:17 - [141] - Quote OK 1 last post then I'll shut up :) Lets just compare megacyte and zydrine. They both jumped for the same reasons, not similar pretty much exactly the same. The consumption is being doubled for both. So the long term price effect for both due to the same change should be the same for both yes? OK very simplistic analysis. Stretch those price graphs out to a year for both minerals. The period from a year ago to just before the tulip bubble. Megacyte cruised down from 1600 to 700 = 43% of original price. Zydrine cruised down similarly from from 750 to 400 = 53% of original price. 10% difference in price fall My point being so far that they pretty much mirror each other. Not exactly, there's a 10% difference but they seem to be tracking each other pretty well. Now do the same exercise on the bubble. Meg 700 -> 2000 = 285% Zydrine 400 -> 1300 = 325% 40% difference in price rise? My point is that for two items subjected to the same stresses, and with a history of matching, are now significantly imbalanced. Either megacyte is under priced or zydrine overshot by too much. Or maybe a little of both. The market will correct this over time. I strongly believe zydrine overshot and will fall a few hundred before it starts to settle.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2808	Posted - 2015.04.28 21:26:46 - [142] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: My point is that for two items subjected to the same stresses, and with a history of matching, are now significantly imbalanced. Either megacyte is under priced or zydrine overshot by too much. Or maybe a little of both. The market will correct this over time. I strongly believe zydrine overshot and will fall a few hundred before it starts to settle. You are assuming 1 of the prices has to be "right". The thing is that there have been two changes. Double the content required is alot like cutting the supply in half. And the supply has been cut in half (or more accurately the amount of zyd/mega in asteroids has been cut in half)....so where with the zyd/mega prices "settle"? Hard to say, but one estimate could be to look back at where zyd/mega had about 1/4th the quantity on the market today. Or, that the prices are still not near some sort of "equilibrium" price. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
virm pasuul Viziam Amarr Empire 286	Posted - 2015.04.28 21:45:02 - [143] - Quote I think I need to make my point clearer maybe. None of us know, apart from CCP, possibly not even CCP what will happen to the prices, but we can guess and even use logic. The two items are both subject to the same changes. But they have reacted with sufficient difference to warrant a question in my opinion. The question being has zydrine overshot too much? Is it likely to go down? I compared the rises in both to back up my argument. I am not assuming one is right, I even go so far as to point out they could both correct in the part you quoted of my post. The fact they are both going down, Zydrine more so, even since my posts hints strongly that the short term correction lies in that direction not the other. No one doubts consumption has doubled. Supply will probably go down ( as long as the price increase doesn't motivate miners to mine more of it ) the market will decide and self govern. These changes mean the price must logically go up from where it was, but it already went up significantly from speculation alone. The real question is "Will it go up or down from where it is NOW?" NOT "Will it go up from where it was?" That has already been answered, there are no cookies being given out for figuring this out even if you worked it out without looking at the market. Where the price is now versus where the price will be in the short, medium and long term is the question where ISK is to be made. I was trying to answer that question, with reasoning, and stuffs. Edit - Sorry for the GRR tone in my post.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2808	Posted - 2015.04.28 23:51:21 - [144] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: I think I need to make my point clearer maybe. None of us know, apart from CCP, possibly not even CCP what will happen to the prices, but we can guess and even use logic. The two items are both subject to the same changes. But they have reacted with sufficient difference to warrant a question in my opinion. The question being has zydrine overshot too much? Is it likely to go down? I compared the rises in both to back up my argument. I am not assuming one is right, I even go so far as to point out they could both correct in the part you quoted of my post. The fact they are both going down, Zydrine more so, even since my posts hints strongly that the short term correction lies in that direction not the other. No one doubts consumption has doubled. Supply will probably go down ( as long as the price increase doesn't motivate miners to mine more of it ) the market will decide and self govern. These changes mean the price must logically go up from where it was, but it already went up significantly from speculation alone. The real question is "Will it go up or down from where it is NOW?" NOT "Will it go up from where it was?" That has already been answered, there are no cookies being given out for figuring this out even if you worked it out without looking at the market. Where the price is now versus where the price will be in the short, medium and long term is the question where ISK is to be made. I was trying to answer that question, with reasoning, and stuffs. Edit - Sorry for the GRR tone in my post. Well, let me clarify as well. The market is still in considerable flux as the patch was just recently deployed. If somebody, for some reason has a pile of megacyte and dumps it on the market, ti would depress the price of megacyte but not necessarily have much immediate impact of zydrine. So, seeing different percentage changes doesn't seem unreasonable to me...for now. Maybe in 6 months or a year, it might be significant. As for the longer term...like I said one estimate could be to look back when the quantities were 1/4 what they are now. You could try for some sort of population correction, but that would be rather time consuming and largely just guess work. If you wanted to be conservative, take a look at the prices when the quantities on the market were 1/4th what they are now and take a simple average from what the price is right now. For example, if the prices (making them up off the top of my head for illustrative purposes) for zyd/mega were 2,500 and 3,400 respectively, and the current prices are 1,300 and 2,200 respectively then the final price would be somewhere near 1,900 and 2,800 respectively. Again, still quite a bit of guess work though.... Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.04.29 01:04:43 - [145] - Quote We will be fortunate if zydrine stays in the 700-800 range long term. Higher prices will just encourage more mining not to mention the stockpiles that exist from the glut of supply for so long. I think 1300-1500 for megacyte sounds and feels about right unless null decides to mine the snot out of high ends.
Fzhal Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers. 8	Posted - 2015.04.29 03:49:32 - [146] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: We will be fortunate if zydrine stays in the 700-800 range long term. Higher prices will just encourage more mining not to mention the stockpiles that exist from the glut of supply for so long. I think 1300-1500 for megacyte sounds and feels about right unless null decides to mine the snot out of high ends. Now sov will probably reduce buffer zones, this would result in less mining yields from most not in a coalition. Capital rebalancing is unknown at this point. virm pasuul, it is illogical to use logic to attempt to find logical conclusions in situations with unknowns so large that attempting to find logical conclusions is illogical.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2810	Posted - 2015.04.29 05:04:09 - [147] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: We will be fortunate if zydrine stays in the 700-800 range long term. Higher prices will just encourage more mining not to mention the stockpiles that exist from the glut of supply for so long. I think 1300-1500 for megacyte sounds and feels about right unless null decides to mine the snot out of high ends. Ok...let me tell you something about supply and demand. You change say, supply, and demand does not have to change in such a way to ensure the price does not have to change or changes very little. In fact, that hypothesis, essentially, rests on a "knife's edge". Supply changes by X at all prices...and then demand changes by Y at all prices so that the equilibrium price is unchanged. In probability theory this kind of an outcome is one that is known as being almost surely zero--i.e. the probability is zero, although it could still happen. In my estimate above, I picked the average between the historic price and the current price to account for additional mining. Thing is that even with additional mining it isn't clear at all that it would have to keep the price at the current level or even lower. Essentially mining would have to double and I'm not sure that is possible given the changes. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Kisle AGM Incorporated Fidelas Constans 0	Posted - 2015.04.29 07:35:33 - [148] - Quote Now this is nice stock :) http://i.imgur.com/IoiO5a4.png
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:31:34 - [149] - Quote Kisle wrote: Now this is nice stock :) http://i.imgur.com/IoiO5a4.png Lol, my point exactly. The high end market has been out whack for so long theres just so much out there. I think ccp did these changes just so those two minerals didn't go to effective zero. And the poster above who said he didn't think mining could double, the way prices were going they were already mining over what was needed because those prices just continued to fall. One guy in this thread predicts 3700 megacyte??!! Sorry folks that's a pipe dream.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2810	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:11:23 - [150] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: Kisle wrote: Now this is nice stock :) http://i.imgur.com/IoiO5a4.png Lol, my point exactly. The high end market has been out whack for so long theres just so much out there. I think ccp did these changes just so those two minerals didn't go to effective zero. And the poster above who said he didn't think mining could double, the way prices were going they were already mining over what was needed because those prices just continued to fall. One guy in this thread predicts 3700 megacyte??!! Sorry folks that's a pipe dream. It has happened before, and it isn't clear that mining can double. The fact that there is a guy with a huge amount of high ends does not mean mining will double. That isn't even evidence in the slightest. Look at the name of the can, its called speculation...he may very well have bought it off the market. Also, there are other things like the impact of Fozziesov on the market as well. Some places might be able to keep high industrial indexes, others not so much. It is important to distinguish between what is theoretically possible and what is actually likely to occur. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1719	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:25:17 - [151] - Quote Every once in a while I will stroll by to see if the zoo has churned out a smart ape. Nope. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Creator of Burn Jita Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.04.30 01:45:32 - [152] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Tazinas2 wrote: Kisle wrote: Now this is nice stock :) http://i.imgur.com/IoiO5a4.png Lol, my point exactly. The high end market has been out whack for so long theres just so much out there. I think ccp did these changes just so those two minerals didn't go to effective zero. And the poster above who said he didn't think mining could double, the way prices were going they were already mining over what was needed because those prices just continued to fall. One guy in this thread predicts 3700 megacyte??!! Sorry folks that's a pipe dream. It has happened before, and it isn't clear that mining can double. The fact that there is a guy with a huge amount of high ends does not mean mining will double. That isn't even evidence in the slightest. Look at the name of the can, its called speculation...he may very well have bought it off the market. Also, there are other things like the impact of Fozziesov on the market as well. Some places might be able to keep high industrial indexes, others not so much. It is important to distinguish between what is theoretically possible and what is actually likely to occur. Mining does NOT need to double. Prices prior to patch were in freefall before the speculation so that would imply oversupply already. I personally wish I could get 3000+ for my stockpile of megacyte and zydrine so I don't say this with happiness. Before there was roquals and hulks and orcas, highends were priced high. Nowadays you have nullbears doing nothing but farming to plex their accounts and this is why highends will never get as high as some here think they will.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2811	Posted - 2015.04.30 03:23:47 - [153] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: Mining does NOT need to double. Prices prior to patch were in freefall before the speculation so that would imply oversupply already. I personally wish I could get 3000+ for my stockpile of megacyte and zydrine so I don't say this with happiness. Before there was roquals and hulks and orcas, highends were priced high. Nowadays you have nullbears doing nothing but farming to plex their accounts and this is why highends will never get as high as some here think they will. No, I suppose considering both changes really it would need to quadruple to keep price about the same. Yes, there was enough high ends being produced in null to send the price down quite a bit. The point of the patch is to correct for that. So if null miners do not change their behavior the amount of zyd/mega would drop by half. With the change to BPOs/BPCs that is like cutting the amount of zyd/mega in the asteroids in half again. Now, null miners could respond by mining much, much more. But I doubt it will be enough to offset the patch. You have staked your position on one that is at the extreme edge. That's fine, I just find that outcome being rather unlikely. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 207	Posted - 2015.05.01 08:00:31 - [154] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9u5_dJgX0s]Ships of Legend[/url] Sweet, sweet Zydrines - http://i.imgur.com/5wmmL1e.png EvilweaselSA wrote: GankYou wrote: I may have been wrong in my earlier technical analysis of Zydrine. considering that technical analysis is completely discredited nonsense, yes, you will frequently fail to predict the future using it I'll be sure to relay the informations to the King once my time in this world is done. Third leg down may now be truncated, which marks a turn - The land lubbers will soon be able to afford 3,000 ISK Megacyte and 2,100 Zydrine, as the prices of Pyerite, Tritanium, Isogen return to their historical means, with Mexallon in free fall. See you this Summer, and be sure to research those Entosis BPOs thoroughly - http://i.imgur.com/2Miz2bg.png ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 405	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:17:31 - [155] - Quote Welp, that escalated quickly. http://imgur.com/a/uHb7l#0 Professionals at work - 58 mil unit Megacyte Sell order. Gÿ¦ Megacyte: http://i.imgur.com/blGPzZt.png Likewise for Zydrine. Complex corrections are... complex. Unfortunate. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
joyous the Slippery Penguin The Crystal Palace 85	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:38:03 - [156] - Quote My coats ruby red, what's yours? Silver and green? v0v
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2958	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:42:11 - [157] - Quote GankYou wrote: Welp, that escalated quickly. http://imgur.com/a/uHb7l#0 Professionals at work - 58 mil unit Megacyte Sell order. Gÿ¦ Megacyte: http://i.imgur.com/blGPzZt.png Likewise for Zydrine. Complex corrections are... complex. Unfortunate. That cannot continue indefinitely though. The supply of megacyte or zydrine in people's hangars is ultimately finite and as a result while portions those supplies can be dumped at various intervals it wont keep the price from moving to its final equilibrium/steady state price. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 405	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:57:29 - [158] - Quote It is not fun that way, Mr Pech. http://i.imgur.com/XcqT8oE.png Buy at i, ii, Sell at 1, 2 - had to do a little distribution on the second one. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 2959	Posted - 2015.05.19 21:28:14 - [159] - Quote GankYou wrote: It is not fun that way, Mr Pech. http://i.imgur.com/XcqT8oE.png Buy at i, ii, Sell at 1, 2 - had to do a little distribution on the second one. Periodic profit taking is not going to slow things down forever either. Depends on what you are in for, some short term gains? Good luck, you'll likely make some isk if you are careful and have a bit of luck. Holding longer term so that current inventories are eventually whittled away and prices return (for mega) so somwhere in the 3,000+ range ...might take some time, but we'll get there. Consider this, in 2014 the average amount of megacyte on the market was around 27-28 million/day and the average price was 1,222 and in the last half of the year the average amount on the market was just under 28.7 million with with an average price of 984. Back in 2009 (unfortunately my source only covers November and December) the quantity was around 16.4 million with an average price of 3,258. If we limit ourselves to those days where the quantity was below 13,500,000 we see an average price of 3,565. Consider that the amount of megacyte and zydrine have been cut in half in anomalies and that the BPO requirements have been doubled...a price of 3,200 for megacyte is probably a tad conservative. Yes, there might be more mining, but I don't think there will be that much more mining. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 405	Posted - 2015.05.20 08:16:27 - [160] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: GankYou wrote: It is not fun that way, Mr Pech. http://i.imgur.com/XcqT8oE.png Buy at i, ii, Sell at 1, 2 - had to do a little distribution on the second one. Periodic profit taking is not going to slow things down forever either. I'd call it periodically - taken in full & total. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.27 23:12:48 - [161] - Quote The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Race Leader Seikai no Monsho 4	Posted - 2015.05.28 08:30:56 - [162] - Quote GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more...
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 2146	Posted - 2015.05.28 09:28:22 - [163] - Quote Studying English won't help you at all. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 23:48:53 - [164] - Quote GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.29 11:15:04 - [165] - Quote Race Leader wrote: GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more... Survey the wastelands of Aridia - there be golds there, son. Tazinas2 wrote: GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :) With 151 million units of MegaZyd, YOU are the market maker now - don't ever forget it, if you want to see your 500 or 700bn. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.05.29 13:53:19 - [166] - Quote GankYou wrote: Race Leader wrote: GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more... Survey the wastelands of Aridia - there be golds* there, son.* Tazinas2 wrote: GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :) With 181 million units of MegaZyd, YOU are the market maker now - don't ever forget it, if you want to see your 500 or 700bn. Not really I know of multiple people with more of those minerals than I do. I believe your market predictions, however I think it will be years before we get there. Im assuming theres thousands of other people with stockpiles similar to mine that have been a dead weight in their hangars for years.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 440	Posted - 2015.05.29 13:55:20 - [167] - Quote Thousands of people with stockpiles like yours makes for a worrisome scenario. Sell now. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Maverick Tiberius Kirk Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.05.29 16:21:43 - [168] - Quote Hmm interesting that these 2 went up and none of the others did
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research Create Alliance 592	Posted - 2015.05.29 18:04:49 - [169] - Quote Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). .
Vibiana Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.06.03 10:36:55 - [170] - Quote I wonder, does current mining actually yeld enough said minerals to satisfy current demand? Does bumping up cunsuption/production ratio by x4 makes it "balanced"? Or we will see in next half a year, that 60 or 70 % of cost of every t1 item is detemined by cost of said "balanced" minerals?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 463	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:59:09 - [171] - Quote Consumption doubled, supply went down by three times. Stockpiles aside, a fair price for Zydrine now would be 400 * 2 3 = 2,400 ISK p/u, Mega 700 2 * 2.5 = 3,500 p/u. Just a rough estimate - someone pull the old anomaly volumes and start multiplying. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf My Entosis goes soisoisoi with old Battleship input levels - Nocxium will also benefit in the medium term and should stay above 550 p/u for awhile. (G£+GùáGÇ+Gùá) Megacyte takes up around 6.5% of the cost in most production, Zydrine 12-15% by costs and Tritanium still 28-30% in cruisers/BC with strong 30% in Battleships. What will happen is that MegaZyd can't physically be sourced any cheaper, anywhere, while Trit can be, so it will go down and be displaced by Highends. sç+(GèÖGûéGèÖG£û ) ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Kisle AGM Incorporated Fidelas Constans 2	Posted - 2015.06.04 13:18:05 - [172] - Quote Well, still your supply part is guess. You don't know if some of the annoyed miners got back to work after the price went up etc. Too bad we have no more of those awesome extra specific statistic tweets by one of the CCP staff member (forgot his name, but it was awesome statistics).
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 467	Posted - 2015.06.04 20:05:54 - [173] - Quote Volumes are a known quantity - let them double, triple down to cycle the anomalies even more frequently, if it's at all possible, and bring me even more decently-priced MegaZyd, because at the rate that I'm doing Entosis modules, I'll be out of Highends by the end of the current month. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 471	Posted - 2015.06.06 07:23:10 - [174] - Quote Elizabeth Norn wrote: Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Ore anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a few hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.06.06 16:43:00 - [175] - Quote GankYou wrote: Elizabeth Norn wrote: Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees!
Poxs62 StarTrucks Prometheus Allegiance 2	Posted - 2015.06.06 17:44:10 - [176] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: GankYou wrote: Elizabeth Norn wrote: Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees! if oyu ask me its a random 9 sat in there or 2 :) What is funny is i can actually imagine how he feeling the moment that the 50 or so billion brokers fee left his wallet, after all wasnt' that long ago that i slipped and sold a 5.5bill ship for 2mill lol :) (see the rattler victory edition history for my sell order)
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 472	Posted - 2015.06.06 22:30:30 - [177] - Quote Tazinas2 wrote: GankYou wrote: Elizabeth Norn wrote: Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees! If it was/is indeed at 14.99 mil p/u, the order's worth is 7,499,999,500,000, even at broken fee of 0.1%, it would be 7,499,999,500. This entity just wiped any profit it may have had, even if the Morphite was acquired at 4,500 ISK p/u levels - a loss 9 times greater than the projected profit. Mostly likely a fat finger. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Buji Hundan Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.06.07 01:08:34 - [178] - Quote Probably more like 23B+ with good standings. Sucks for that guy. Probably came back after being away for a few months and was like "Wow, I made some good ISK off those Genolution implants. Maybe I should buy and sell a little Morphite while I'm here. ****."
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 473	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:09:17 - [179] - Quote I just bought 5 mil of Zyd and 2.2 mil of Megacyte in a "Freeport" Sov nullsec station at 600 & 1050 ISK p/u. Losing my marbles erryday. Awoxed stash, of course - no such volumes are being mined or sold freely. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 593	Posted - 2015.06.21 11:21:08 - [180] - Quote If any of you would fill those 1460 p/u sweet, sweet Zydrineh buy orders - it's nbd. We'll understand. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 637	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:29:27 - [181] - Quote Universal Megacyte price has been gently equalised with that of Zydrine in scope. Regards, ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 195	Posted - 2015.06.23 09:58:25 - [182] - Quote Race Leader wrote: GankYou wrote: The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more... All of GYs posts are written in this style. It's sort of cryptic market manipulation. Your task is to figure out his motives and end game
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 90	Posted - 2015.07.04 17:43:55 - [183] - Quote And Zydrine quietly sneaks back to its 52 week high showing very good support at that level
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 722	Posted - 2015.07.04 20:21:46 - [184] - Quote I liquidated around 10 million units on the 29th at 1500-1525 - needed cash. Bought it all back already. BTFD https://updates.eveonline.com/date/2015-07-14/ ...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤ [WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Freighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Ren Oren Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 90	Posted - 2015.07.06 19:39:23 - [185] - Quote GankYou wrote: I liquidated around 10 million units on the 29th at 1500-1525 - needed cash. Bought it all back already. BTFD https://updates.eveonline.com/date/2015-07-14/ Yeap gonna start hording
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 740	Posted - 2015.07.07 12:13:40 - [186] - Quote Supplemental: http://i.imgur.com/n1xgtU8.png Risk/Reward. ...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤ [WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Freighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Tazinas2 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.09.03 15:45:10 - [187] - Quote Seems as if some of these prices predictions are not exactly panning out.....?
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust 1040	Posted - 2015.09.03 15:53:59 - [188] - Quote That's what you get from wild ass guessing.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3284	Posted - 2015.09.03 16:05:08 - [189] - Quote Bad Bobby wrote: That's what you get from wild ass guessing. Or speculation.... Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust 1040	Posted - 2015.09.03 16:16:20 - [190] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Bad Bobby wrote: That's what you get from wild ass guessing. Or speculation.... There is a difference between the two.
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 146	Posted - 2015.09.03 23:26:00 - [191] - Quote Quote: 13. Spamming is prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words GÇ£firstGÇ¥, GÇ£go back to insert other game nameGÇ¥ and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post, or the practice of GÇ£thread necromancyGÇ¥ which involved bumping of old threads for no justifiable reason. Scrub a dub dub ~ISD Buldath Interstellar Services Department Support, Training and Resources Division Lt. Commander
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3290	Posted - 2015.09.03 23:30:44 - [192] - Quote Bad Bobby wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Bad Bobby wrote: That's what you get from wild ass guessing. Or speculation.... There is a difference between the two. Yeah, a speculator usually does some research. Speculators actually serve a useful purpose in markets. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Alt Pilot1 Hysera Innovations 2	Posted - 2015.09.04 03:34:13 - [193] - Quote And now the panic selling starts Look at all the quantities that are on sell orders for Zydrine and Megacyte

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