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Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Tasty Burger on 19/10/2006 20:11:30 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=413476 http://houseofbeni.com/EVE/devchat.htm Tuxford has no idea what he's talking about, and he assumes we are stupid or something. RIP.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4.
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4. Buu ******* huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. --- Praxitele's Inc. is Recruiting!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:25:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 Buu ******* huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. This is pure flamebait...and its almost working since I know you fly megathrons and dont know anything about minmatar. But... I guess you have the right to your opinion.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:34:00 - [5] Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:34:00 - [6] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4. Buu ***** huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. I just hope that some pigeon drops a big drop off ** on ya mate .
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: lofty29 Buu ******* huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. This is pure flamebait...and its almost working since I know you fly megathrons and dont know anything about minmatar. But... I guess you have the right to your opinion....
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:38:00 - [8] Man, when we get factional warfare, we should just unite Minmatar, Amarr and Khanid and royally mess up anything Caldari. Just out of pure good old spite --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/10/2006 20:43:08 Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ Artillery boats: 0. (ok, maybe a few of them can use artillery, ill give you that) Maybe the OP wasnt clear. By increasing the hitpoints of the ships, he is decreasing the significance of the already bad alpha strike of artillery. Alpha strike. Because thats all artillery has going for it. They are the lowest dps longrange guns in the game. Lowest. I hope you understand why players are upset. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Tasty Burger on 19/10/2006 20:43:39 Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ I can't be bothered to reply fully but lets just say you're wrong. -Stiletto is the best TACKLER, perhaps. -Vagabond is a wet paper bag and hits like one, its only saving grace is that it is fast. -Jaguar gets pwned by ishkurs. -Cheetah is impossible to fit with a cloak + scan probe launcher without a completely gimped setup. -CCs are irrelevant, and Sleip gets outdamaged by most of the CCs anyway. -Huginn/Rapier are only useful for webbing, and TPs are almost useless. -LOL at carrier being good. -Nanophoon sucks against anyone who knows what they are doing/isnt running an npc setup. And seriously bringing up good ships is IRRELEVANT. The fact of the matter is that boosting tanking NERFS THE ENTIRE MINMATAR SHIPLINE. They have the WORST DPS of all the races and can't even break tanks at the moment, what makes you think they'll be able to break any after the tanking boost? The Amarr will run out of cap before a battle is over, the minmatar will run out of ammo and do ** all damage. Both suck at tanking. And look at your list? NONE of those are artillery boats. Artillery is already almost useless, this change just rips away its only advantage. Honestly you guys probably dont even pvp. The changes nerf small gang pvp and surgical strikes, which completely nerfs minmatar. Poor damage per second and poor tanks = ** when the tanks are unbeatable. Now minmatar ships will take like 3 minutes to kill a ship while their friends pour in and kick your ass. Gallente and Caldari are the only good races atm.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:43:00 - [11] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ isthar = best hac iskhur = Best af best cov op true astarte = best CS recons? carrier lol mate best joke ever nanophoon?what is that?
eve warrior Minmatar Serial Killers	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:52:00 - [12] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ sorry but its not apirls fools day yet. nice try though. Eve warrior
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:56:00 - [13] Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 19/10/2006 21:02:18 Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 19/10/2006 21:00:53 Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 19/10/2006 20:58:34 Originally by: Pesadel0 isthar = best hac iskhur = Best af best cov op true astarte = best CS recons? carrier lol mate best joke ever nanophoon?what is that? Ishtar is a mini-dominix. Can't really do much better than the dominix can. Vagabond actually has a different role. It does something that a BS can't do.(TBH, ishtar, deimos, zealot, cerb are all ... uhm, cool to fly but not exactly practical) Jaguar might not beat a ishkur 1v1, but it has better speed + 4 med slots Sleipnir actually has a very good tank and a low sig etc. 2 wcs + 2 gyro is good. Astarte can't do that. Astarte fails as being worse than mega for pretty much anything but frigs. But then again, Astarte has uber DPS, that most likely makes it the best CS ever... Recons are all good, each have different roles and are all useful(ok, some a bit more than others, but...) Nanophoon is just cool. What else do you use carriers for? Now you can't do missions/complexes, they can't tank anything that could be considered a fleet. OKK. Thantanos kills belt rats faster.
Zosimos Sabina Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:00:00 - [14] Oh well. FOTM and the bandwagon's been going around for ages. You can't win 'em all . One of these days Caldari are going to suffer being on the bottom of the totem pole... some day.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:03:00 - [15] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld 2 wcs + 2 gyro is good. Astarte can't do that.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:05:00 - [16] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ ROFL You must go get a clue before posting. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ ROFL You must go get a clue before posting. Care to elaborate?
Sebai Hana	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:08:00 - [18] Tbh Crow is the best inty since it can fly at any speed and still deal damage since missiles don't have tracking issues at 5km/s (or more) and it can deal damage from far away (up to 30km + with good skills). Nofo for Mofos
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Sebai Hana Tbh Crow is the best inty since it can fly at any speed and still deal damage since missiles don't have tracking issues at 5km/s (or more) and it can deal damage from far away (up to 30km + with good skills). Yeah, Agree. Crow is uber for 1v1 or just general annoyance. Those Snake implanted crows going uber fast are VERY VERY ANNOYING. But for pure tackling(eg what a frig should do, mostly) a stilletto is obviously the best.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:11:00 - [20] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ ROFL You must go get a clue before posting. Care to elaborate? let me try alittle...... Minmatar carrier for POS recharging????? a carrier gotta be useful for something else dont you think? btw.. i know of a guy who kills properly kitted out astartes in his Ishtar. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Sebai Hana Tbh Crow is the best inty since it can fly at any speed and still deal damage since missiles don't have tracking issues at 5km/s (or more) and it can deal damage from far away (up to 30km + with good skills). some ppl would come and say that the crusader is the best but its pretty hard hitting something with beams doing **ty dmg at 25-30k range going at 7k+ not to mention the fact that the damage on the crusader isnt even near the crow at those speeds. the crow just keeps chucking out its dmg each volley that wont miss. Quote:** Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:27:00 - [22] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ ROFL You must go get a clue before posting. Care to elaborate? Honestly, why bother? Eeryone else has said why, if you don't want to listen to them I cba to argue with a tree. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Denrace Amarr Psykotic Dreams Barracudas.	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:05:00 - [23] Gallente quite easily have the best selection of PVP oriented ships. It absolutely should not be this way. EVE is heavily focused on PVP, so why give one race a CLEAR advantage?!!? Get it FRICKING CHANGED. Den ________________________________________
RUNYOUFOOLS Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:32:00 - [24] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/ wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford. Well do you love eggs?
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:42:00 - [25] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld 2 wcs + 2 gyro is good. Astarte can't do that. Not only are stabs getting nerfed.But anyone who puts them on any ship simply sucks. KTHNKXBYE BTW train for domi/raven guys.You should have the skill sets required already from trying to make the phoon work. --- CCP how about the pith X & A mods? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4. Buu ***** huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. I just hope that some pigeon drops a big drop off ** on ya mate . You know some people believe that's good luck...
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:23:00 - [27] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4. Buu ***** huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships. painful guns? Lol ac's do the worst dps out of any short range gun. Artillery will be quite inefective you're right, so just because you don't like sniping means an entire skill tree should be nerfed to hell? TBH you sound like a *** idiot but i'll elaborate more to follow. Stabbabond? No that will suck ass as it will take a day and a half to lock anything, people who fly stabbabonds are pussies anyway. Rapier is good in it's own right but so is every recon ship so to say it's better than the others is stupid. Sleipner is good because it can tank like a beast, however it doesn't dps that great compared to an astarte (we'll see how the nighthawk does in the next patch) so it's rather middle of the road (not saying it isn't good, but frankly all command ships are damn good). In rust we trust!!!** Right here Tux ,,\|,,
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Tasty Burger I can't be bothered to reply fully but lets just say you're wrong. -Stiletto is the best TACKLER, perhaps. -Vagabond is a wet paper bag and hits like one, its only saving grace is that it is fast. -Jaguar gets pwned by ishkurs. -Cheetah is impossible to fit with a cloak + scan probe launcher without a completely gimped setup. -CCs are irrelevant, and Sleip gets outdamaged by most of the CCs anyway. -Huginn/Rapier are only useful for webbing, and TPs are almost useless. -LOL at carrier being good. -Nanophoon sucks against anyone who knows what they are doing/isnt running an npc setup. -Stilleo = insta lock and 6 points - Vaga = best speed , decent dmg. -Slipnier = By far better than a nighthawk. - i agree on the carrier and nanophoon is just to gank noobs. Mini have good ships and crap ships like anyone else so dont realy see whats the problem and if want to compare well lets look at the caldari eagle vs the vaga for example , eagle can only snipe and it does crapy dmg although extremly wrogn range but thats what it is only good for how ever look at what the vaga can do even compare it to a deimos which cant even fit a decent ion setup and i owtn even start on neutrons with out 1 RCU T2 ( no idea if the patch will give any hoep on this but we will see) .You cant have all top notch ships for one race , aint gonan happen ! "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Montero Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Tasty Burger I can't be bothered to reply fully but lets just say you're wrong. -Stiletto is the best TACKLER, perhaps. -Vagabond is a wet paper bag and hits like one, its only saving grace is that it is fast. -Jaguar gets pwned by ishkurs. -Cheetah is impossible to fit with a cloak + scan probe launcher without a completely gimped setup. -CCs are irrelevant, and Sleip gets outdamaged by most of the CCs anyway. -Huginn/Rapier are only useful for webbing, and TPs are almost useless. -LOL at carrier being good. -Nanophoon sucks against anyone who knows what they are doing/isnt running an npc setup. -Stilleo = insta lock and 6 points - Vaga = best speed , decent dmg. -Slipnier = By far better than a nighthawk. - i agree on the carrier and nanophoon is just to gank noobs. Mini have good ships and crap ships like anyone else so dont realy see whats the problem and if want to compare well lets look at the caldari eagle vs the vaga for example , eagle can only snipe and it does crapy dmg although extremly wrogn range but thats what it is only good for how ever look at what the vaga can do even compare it to a deimos which cant even fit a decent ion setup and i owtn even start on neutrons with out 1 RCU T2 ( no idea if the patch will give any hoep on this but we will see) .You cant have all top notch ships for one race , aint gonan happen ! Problem is Yaz, the Hp boost is a huge nerf to active tanking (high HP and resists is now preferable) which ****s on ships with an active tanking bonus such as the sleip. The vaga can no longer carry enough ammo to achieve anything (i have to run back to empire usualy 4 or 5 times in night for more ammo, sometimes after just one fight). This will apply to any non-frig sized auto ship. Artys are now a waste of time and i honestly pity the arty tempest pilots. We now have the stilleto and.... the stilleto. The prowler is pretty good too i guess... --------- Scrapheap Challenge
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.20 03:47:00 - [30] Don't forget the burst, that ship is the pwn...

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