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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sergej
Originally by: Evil Sulu
Originally by: Xendie amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
Didn't you hear? Projectiles don't use cap anymore.
Good balance indeed.
Originally by: Tuxford Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Sulu
Originally by: Xendie amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
Didn't you hear? Projectiles don't use cap anymore.
Took me a while to get it (past midnight *cough*) But I lol'd.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nir
Originally by: Evil Sulu
Originally by: Xendie amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
Didn't you hear? Projectiles don't use cap anymore.
Took me a while to get it (past midnight *cough*) But I lol'd.
Didn't you know ?? It's official All you 'amarrians' stock up on EMP, fusion (your own explosive crystal ) & PP.
But it's truly sad.
Originally by: Tuxford Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Minnie is still fine. And amarr will be better.
Who tanks hard and does good dps? Amarr. Amarr gunships will be more important now that there are more tanks to break. And the curse gets a big boost because its nos will be more useful now.
Shamis
problem with that is that amarr gunships and their dmg spread on the crystals are balanced for 60-75% EM resists on armor, now everyone and their mother will run around with 40k armor with 85%+ EM resist. amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
And how about the fact that every single ship in EVE has 0% EM resistance on shields (exception mini T2 ships ) and that lasers have higher base dmg on shields ??? So as a fact they tear shields in seconds and take more time on armour in contradiction to mini for example , but ofc lets nerf them coz ppl now prefer to tank armour and change the dmg type for amarr also !!!! "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Temp Boi
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Posted - 2006.10.21 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 19/10/2006 20:16:51 Looks like I'll be flying my NOS-Domi character and ignoring my Minmatar character for the foreseable future. This game would be much more interesting if there were 4 different races of ships that were actually worth using. I guess we'll have to settle with 2 out of 4.
Buu ******* huu. So the game is a little harder for minnie. You still have speed, you still have painful gunz. So artillary will be quite ineffective - so what? Sniping needs a nerf and this will provide it. You still get your stabbabond, your huginn + rapier, your sliepnir. It wont make alot of difference to any of these ships.
Oh shut the **** up, I'm sure thats easy for you to say as a gallente character. Those of us who are Minmatar spec'd essentially just got ****** over. You can still sit it your "I win button" domi and *****everything that moves. We were already disadvantaged, now almost all of our strengths are gone.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.10.21 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rehmes on 21/10/2006 04:36:17 I read it but im still stupified who down right ridiculus things r gonna get. The Matari have the lowest dps in game, arties' alpha dmg hasnt been as high as it used to. The magazine size/dmg of ACs r sad. This hp boost is truly gonna mess things up for all matar.
Then u have the ammarians who already have problems of their own as it is; are gonna have to cope with further problems. They will run out of cap centuries before they kill anything, and lets not mention that their base dmg of EM doesnt help as things r (something which doesnt seem like itl be addressed atm)
I would like to see the day when i undock and i see an evened out ratio of races outside the station, not the 20 thousand ravens/domis i see. In the past 3 months i have only witnessed the sighting of 4 armaggedons and 2 apocaypses, jesus christ comon.
Tux plz tell us there must be something you are working on to fix this before it launches cuz otherwise things will get pretty grim in EVE.
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Rivek
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.21 05:54:00 -
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Most of you are way over-reacting. How about you crunch some numbers and at least attempt a wholistic analysis of the proposed changes instead of just whinning about your own ships supposed shortcommings.
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Abati
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:04:00 -
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I like Eve so much my peeps.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/10/2006 08:10:52
The more I think about it, I think the extra hitpoints will be an advantage to the minmatar, specially if they change the ammo size of projectiles like they are considering. While other races will use more cap in the fights both for tanking and damage (except caldari missile ships and drone boats), minmatar can use that to their advantage for a longer period of time in the fight (until they pop). :)
We'll see how it turns out. Kali is coming to the test server in just a few days it seems...
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:24:00 -
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Thank good for crosstraining and gradually ruining char.
Hp increase is just , so much more jamming, nossing... No thanks.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And how about the fact that every single ship in EVE has 0% EM resistance on shields (exception mini T2 ships ) and that lasers have higher base dmg on shields ??? So as a fact they tear shields in seconds and take more time on armour in contradiction to mini for example , but ofc lets nerf them coz ppl now prefer to tank armour and change the dmg type for amarr also !!!!
Amarr kill shield "in seconds" with EM, minnie kill armor "in seconds" with exp, and since we have equal amount of armor & shieldtankers ingame thats balanced.
Oh, wait..
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Amarr kill shield "in seconds" with EM, minnie kill armor "in seconds" with exp, and since we have equal amount of armor & shieldtankers ingame thats balanced.
Oh, wait..
Think of it this way... you can kill Ravens. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 21/10/2006 08:48:37
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Aramendel
Amarr kill shield "in seconds" with EM, minnie kill armor "in seconds" with exp, and since we have equal amount of armor & shieldtankers ingame thats balanced.
Oh, wait..
Think of it this way... you can kill Ravens.
You need to lock them and in case you manage to lock them, you need to keep them there
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Brutus King
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Posted - 2006.10.21 08:53:00 -
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All of you people just don't know how to fit a Minmatar ship.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.21 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brutus King All of you people just don't know how to fit a Minmatar ship.
Unfortunatly you fail at scoring forum points as nobody knows who the hell you are. Until your reputation has increased, you will have to back up comments like that with the most amazing and perfect setups ever devised for a Minmatar ship.
If you can't do that, I suggest you keep your witless comments to yourself.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Stiletto = best ceptor Vagabond = best hac Jaguar = best af Cheetah = best cov op Sleipnir = best CS Huginn/Rapier = good stuff Minmatar Carrier = best for POS shield recharging Nanophoon = \o/
Crow/Taranis tied with ishtar tied with iskur they all suck they all are good cept NH they all are good
why is this even listed?
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.21 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Metis AT What about a large plated AC Muninn now...That is starting to look like a nice cruiser.
Yeah, I think it will be good enough with the 5 guns, 2 nos fitting.
Muninn has no tank. 2 resistance holes... So you can decide to fit a 5 slot tank (800mm plating because 1600mm doesnt fit) or 2 slot tank and 3 damage mods.... Have fun....
For close range i prefer a vagabond after patch.... 11000 shield hp with good recharge rate and good resistances....
Vagabond with Barrage + passive shield tank will still be uber when Kali hits.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And how about the fact that every single ship in EVE has 0% EM resistance on shields (exception mini T2 ships ) and that lasers have higher base dmg on shields ??? So as a fact they tear shields in seconds and take more time on armour in contradiction to mini for example , but ofc lets nerf them coz ppl now prefer to tank armour and change the dmg type for amarr also !!!!
Amarr kill shield "in seconds" with EM, minnie kill armor "in seconds" with exp, and since we have equal amount of armor & shieldtankers ingame thats balanced.
Oh, wait..
How about we have equal amount of armour and shield on all ship classes and same weaposn for all classes and same dmg types and same base shield dmg and same speed etc etc .
Oh wait ... "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.21 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Adril Alatar
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Metis AT What about a large plated AC Muninn now...That is starting to look like a nice cruiser.
Yeah, I think it will be good enough with the 5 guns, 2 nos fitting.
Muninn has no tank. 2 resistance holes... So you can decide to fit a 5 slot tank (800mm plating because 1600mm doesnt fit) or 2 slot tank and 3 damage mods.... Have fun....
For close range i prefer a vagabond after patch.... 11000 shield hp with good recharge rate and good resistances....
Vagabond with Barrage + passive shield tank will still be uber when Kali hits.
Please learn about Muninns.
Virtually/all HACs who fit a 1600mm plate do it by fitting a small rep alongside it. The advantage the Muninn has is that it can also fit a full rack of guns, launchers and mwd without a single fitting mod. Add 2 hardeners and either an EANM or Gyrostab and you're sorted.
No it's not a Vagabond, nor is it trying to be.
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.21 11:51:00 -
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Quote: tuxford: Personally I like the idea of the possibility of running out of charges in a fight. Cap boosters have come something of a must have module and its come up to the point that the one with bigger cargo hold wins. Well ok not quite but still you should see my point. Ammo is a different story its well possible that we'd reduce the volume of those
Yea....very funny to run out of cap in the half of the engagement
RIP Blasterthron, geddon, apoc
Ok then....lets all train to missile-ships then \o/ sooo much fun. Or maybe Nos-Domi will still rule them all
Yep tux......nice chages.
After 3 years in EvE, I finaly can say, that I lost more ships due to lag and bugs, than in any battle.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Please learn about Muninns.
Virtually/all HACs who fit a 1600mm plate do it by fitting a small rep alongside it. The advantage the Muninn has is that it can also fit a full rack of guns, launchers and mwd without a single fitting mod. Add 2 hardeners and either an EANM or Gyrostab and you're sorted.
No it's not a Vagabond, nor is it trying to be.
Please learn about Ruptures. Muninn is not worth it since what you boast about Muninn can easily be done with a rupture with just a bit less dps
The Muninn is and always will be a crap autocannon platform when its little brother can do nearly the same job at 90mil less the cost. The muninn is built for artillery especially with its tracking bonus. Remember t2 ammo for arties have tracking penalties... what do you think a tracking bonus on it is for?
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.21 13:28:00 -
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Lets see...
How long has the Muninn had a tracking bonus? How long has T2 ammo been released for?
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza Lets see...
How long has the Muninn had a tracking bonus? How long has T2 ammo been released for?
Lets see...
How many monkeys will it take for you to see that a tracking bonus means didly to auto cannons?
How many posts must you make to give you self esteem that think you know what you're talking about?
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Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Minnie is still fine. And amarr will be better.
Who tanks hard and does good dps? Amarr. Amarr gunships will be more important now that there are more tanks to break. And the curse gets a big boost because its nos will be more useful now.
Shamis
problem with that is that amarr gunships and their dmg spread on the crystals are balanced for 60-75% EM resists on armor, now everyone and their mother will run around with 40k armor with 85%+ EM resist. amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
And how about the fact that every single ship in EVE has 0% EM resistance on shields (exception mini T2 ships ) and that lasers have higher base dmg on shields ??? So as a fact they tear shields in seconds and take more time on armour in contradiction to mini for example , but ofc lets nerf them coz ppl now prefer to tank armour and change the dmg type for amarr also !!!!
and the fact that all standard shield tank setups have 1 em 2 invulns so the EM res is higher than kinetic or thermal
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel How about we have equal amount of armour and shield on all ship classes and same weaposn for all classes and same dmg types and same base shield dmg and same speed etc etc .
Oh wait ...
Young padawan still has much to learn if he thinks diversity and balance cannot be achieved at the same time.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Minnie is still fine. And amarr will be better.
Who tanks hard and does good dps? Amarr. Amarr gunships will be more important now that there are more tanks to break. And the curse gets a big boost because its nos will be more useful now.
Shamis
problem with that is that amarr gunships and their dmg spread on the crystals are balanced for 60-75% EM resists on armor, now everyone and their mother will run around with 40k armor with 85%+ EM resist. amarr ships will run out of cap way before they will end that kind of tank.
And how about the fact that every single ship in EVE has 0% EM resistance on shields (exception mini T2 ships ) and that lasers have higher base dmg on shields ??? So as a fact they tear shields in seconds and take more time on armour in contradiction to mini for example , but ofc lets nerf them coz ppl now prefer to tank armour and change the dmg type for amarr also !!!!
and the fact that all standard shield tank setups have 1 em 2 invulns so the EM res is higher than kinetic or thermal
It's more this way: 2x invul or 2x invul + em hardener... but second one is rare since there's not so many ships with so much medslots.
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.21 15:17:00 -
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i'm just grateful i didn't pick Ammar
sad, really --- WCS Nerf boycott low-sec
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
I lol'd.
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Martyr 01
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:30:00 -
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After reading the amarr and min related responses in that dev blog I have to say, I agree with tasty.
Either he has no idea what he's talking about and just showed a worryingly weak grasp of the general factors affecting playing with amarr/min ships or was being worryingly flippant and unnecessarily vague and mysterious.
Either way; I'm worried.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Old Geeza Lets see...
How long has the Muninn had a tracking bonus? How long has T2 ammo been released for?
Lets see...
How many monkeys will it take for you to see that a tracking bonus means didly to auto cannons?
How many posts must you make to give you self esteem that think you know what you're talking about?
A tracking bonus helps all ships (remember Hail has a tracking penalty too?). It's the optimal range bonus that is wasted on autocannons.
Secondly, so because I have only recently started posting on these forums that automatically means I have no idea what I'm talking about? Good grief. Between the clueless idiots and the elitist "vets" (which lets be honest, means those who have posted the longest, not those who have played the logest) it's no wonder this forum is in such a dysmal state.
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