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JForce The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:57:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=413476 If you were starting a new character tomorrow, would you choose to be a Minnie? The Australasian PvP Championships
RaTTuS BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:01:00 - [2] How hard for the lazy -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:09:00 - [3] Thread title is wrong. Minmatar don't use nails.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:10:00 - [4] ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!11111one To answer your question. Yes. I'm actually currently cross training minmatar frigate/cruiser/BS, although that's on hold ish to get dread/rohk skills in place. My opinion hasn't changed. Alpha strike isn't that important anyway, where no cap use and variable damage types is going to become _even more_ useful. What would you rather have? 1000 dps against a 60% resist, or 600dps against a 10% resist? Not all races are good at everything. The advantage to EVE is that you _can_ cross train to fill in the gaps.
Patch Esquire Di-Tron Light Industries	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:07:00 - [5] I created this minmatar Alt to accompany my Gallente character. Being a same-account Alt I can't actually train it in anything, but if I were to make a second account, I would make it minmatar. Why? I don't like Caldari, and Amarr are a little too similar to Gallente. ----------------------------------------------- If you're reading this, Patch86 was too lazy to select his main. Again.
mama guru Gallente Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:09:00 - [6] A wise man once said, Just because you are minmatar does not mean you have to fly minmatar. -space reserved for some cool looking non political image-
Jippy Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:47:00 - [8] Originally by: mama guru A wise man once said, Just because you are minmatar does not mean you have to fly minmatar. Yes, sure I throw my 8.5 mil SP in ships and my millions in tech-2 projectiles away to start with Gallente now. I mean I have already gallente frigates two. Might be worth it. Anyway we are still the coolest. Ok, my Brutor brother is a lot cooler than me, because of his sun-glasses, but still...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Jippy Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth. The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Oveur	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jippy Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth. The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? Jim. Statements like that, without even having tested the changes don't raise my opinion of you. At least have the decency to test it before you talk about people like that. I show you the same courtesy. Senior Producer EVE Online



Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:58:00 - [11] Minnie gets no changes coz we are already perfect EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/10/2006 12:12:22 Originally by: James Lyrus What would you rather have? 1000 dps against a 60% resist, or 600dps against a 10% resist? Wonder how many tanked 1400mm tempests there will be in the future in fleetbattles. How much dps and range will there be left, if I switch to 1200mm and remove damage and tracking mods to tank that ship ? Just a question. Guess I just have to wait and see. /edit don't argue with autocannons, our new BS is meant as a pure artillery platform (which doesn't have much more dps with 8 1400mm, than a tempest with 6 btw., if you have minmatar bs 5.) The grid might be even more tight then, don't know. At least I've got adv. weapon upgrades 5 to fit, what's possible.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:06:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/10/2006 12:13:58 Originally by: Oveur Jim. Statements like that, without even having tested the changes don't raise my opinion of you. At least have the decency to test it before you talk about people like that. I show you the same courtesy. Fair enough. I used too strong words there. Im just cranky and frustrated over how hit & run tactics and alpha strike nerfs hit the minmatar hard, and I hate the direction the game balancing is taking. That doesnt mean I should be rude though, so... sorry about that. As for testing, I will help test the changes on the test server. Just get it on there. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:14:00 - [14] Minmatar FTW! As someone who only flys frigs and cruisers with autocannons I love all the new changes! I accepted long ago that Minmatar ships of BS and larger size will always be useless since the little extra speed for those ships doesn't help at all. (The only stupid thing Tux did is the Inertia Stabilizer change. They will still be useless compared to Nanofibers.)
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Chribba Minnie gets no changes coz we are already perfect By the way, I saw you on the sharky killmail... didnt know you had a killer inside.. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Druid R Murder of Crows	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:17:00 - [16] whats embarrasing is that if u put 8 1400's on that dirty amarr ship it outdamages a tempest with 6 1400's. i only fly minnie ships cause im a minnie char, just the way it has to be for me. im about to complete torps 5 so i can get citadels and will have full setup for my nag, oh and i might be able to pilot the phoon now as well :P minnie are by far the hardest race to train for, u need t2 in proj's missiles and drones, plus both shield and armour tanking skills. once u get to a decent skill lvl (around 20m+) i would say, u can fly most minnie ships very well and will be a pain in the neck to those amarr scum!
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:18:00 - [17] Well i wouldnt mind gallente getting nerfed, kinda anoying to see that from: "the few, the strong, the pridest warriors" .we turned into the wtf ownage race and everyone is training for it. Im considering training into ammar atm, just like a year+ ago when my gankageddon got shot down by a megathron and i knew that a megathron took some skills. trained into gallente right away _________________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/10/2006 12:23:26 Originally by: Druid R whats embarrasing is that if u put 8 1400's on that dirty amarr ship it outdamages a tempest with 6 1400's. That cant be true. Tempest with its double damage bonus (im simplifying the rof bonus to mean 25% damage) has the damage of 9 effective turrets. But its close. But the alpha strike with 8 guns with no dmg bonus is still larger than the alpha strike of 6 guns with a dmg bonus (Tempest only gets 7.5 turrets of alpha strike). Maybe thats what you meant. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jippy Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth. The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? Jim. Statements like that, without even having tested the changes don't raise my opinion of you. At least have the decency to test it before you talk about people like that. I show you the same courtesy. well see thats a nice idea and all oveur but historys shown that when it comes to minmtar and testing, by the time we get to test changes its too late to change them, only by campaning for months do we get a change and even then its not enuff (typhoon anyone?) example minmatar carrier nuff said
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jippy Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth. The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? Say what? So the game was fun and balanced with stacked stamped heatsinks where it was a case of fastest lock wins? 2003 mechanics were so far behind the current ones its not funny, nostalgia isn't the way forward.


Oveur	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/10/2006 12:13:58 Originally by: Oveur Jim. Statements like that, without even having tested the changes don't raise my opinion of you. At least have the decency to test it before you talk about people like that. I show you the same courtesy. Fair enough. I used too strong words there. Im just cranky and frustrated over how hit & run tactics and alpha strike nerfs hit the minmatar hard, and I hate the direction the game balancing is taking. That doesnt mean I should be rude though, so... sorry about that. As for testing, I will help test the changes on the test server. Just get it on there. :) We're actually quite aware of the alpha-strike effectiveness after the current changes and although we haven't really got anything concrete we feel happy with, we have some changes we want to check out in public testing. And yeah, I'm fine with you having an opinion, whatever that may be, but tux doesn't deserver that, he's very meticulous in how he works and if anything, he's always picking up leads, testing them out and seeing if the concerns are valid. At least, I get boatloads of emails from him with issues and conclusions drawn based on delving into it. See you on Sisi mate Senior Producer EVE Online

Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Parallax Error Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jippy Edited by: Jippy on 20/10/2006 11:42:13 The truth of the matter is, and despite the ignorance that people will put in this thread. If your end-game goal is BS/Carrier/Dread, you have no reason not to go with Gallente. End of story. Right now there is no reason to go any other race except for the smaller ships, but even then the Gallente are fine all the way through the game. I personally don't care, but it is the unbiased truth. The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? Say what? So the game was fun and balanced with stacked stamped heatsinks where it was a case of fastest lock wins? 2003 mechanics were so far behind the current ones its not funny, nostalgia isn't the way forward. Yes the game was balanced in 2003. Shield Hardeners gave 70% resist and had no stacking penatly either. I flew threw the m0o camps in my Blackbird all the time with 90%+ em/thermal resist and 2x MWD. The problem was that 99% of players were too stupid to think about defense and had the gank-only mentality.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Chribba Minnie gets no changes coz we are already perfect By the way, I saw you on the sharky killmail... didnt know you had a killer inside.. :) I had to train something after Mining 5 back in the days when there was like 10 skills available, so it's a relic skill from past time that became useful, I was only trying to get some Veldspar when all this big ass jovian bs warped in and started tearing up my can - I had to retaliate you know EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 12:37:35 Originally by: Aloysius Knight well see thats a nice idea and all oveur but historys shown that when it comes to minmtar and testing, by the time we get to test changes its too late to change them, only by campaning for months do we get a change and even then its not enuff (typhoon anyone?) example minmatar carrier nuff said Just make sure you get your Sisi time in when the code is deployed, we'll be doing plenty testing as a corp and providing appropriate feedback. Now go shoot some hobbits please
Druid R Murder of Crows	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Druid R on 20/10/2006 12:43:50 im not going to slag tux off, but he has run away from the other thread, and think one of u guys needs to either respond to it in a positive way, or say we are looking into it (as u just have) and then lock it. alpha strikes WILL need looking at, and tbh i would take a lowering in my alpha strike ability if it improved the dps to much more inline with other ships. the thread i was talking about is this one see you on sisi when these changes hit, i really wanna test them and feedback.null one
Mitchman Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Let me remind you a bit how it was in 2003: - Shield hardeners were 70% resist. Scorps with almost 100% resist to dmg was common. - Cap Power Relay had no shield boost penalty, so apocs with XL shield booster and 7x CPR in lows could tank forever. - Damage mod stacking was so horrible because not only did it stack with small AND medium skills, but it also stacked with surgical strike skill. This caused people to have redicilous dmg mods on any gun and a cruiser could insta pop another cruiser. - MWDs stacked, so you could fit 3x MWD and do 20km/s or more. I can go on, but I think I proved my point that you don't really know what you are doing.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 12:37:35 Originally by: Aloysius Knight well see thats a nice idea and all oveur but historys shown that when it comes to minmtar and testing, by the time we get to test changes its too late to change them, only by campaning for months do we get a change and even then its not enuff (typhoon anyone?) example minmatar carrier nuff said Just make sure you get your Sisi time in when the code is deployed, we'll be doing plenty testing as a corp and providing appropriate feedback. Now go shoot some hobbits please ohhhh ok dad
Hysenthlay Minmatar The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:08:00 - [28] Rolled a Minmatar first and would roll another again. Why? A real Minmatar will find a way to make it work like we always have. The rest will just go fly a Raven. On the plus side ships will cost less for us now!! ____________________________ Silflay Hraka U Embleer Rah
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Mitchman Originally by: Jim McGregor The balance in this game is horrible. Replace Tuxford ffs before its too late. I remember back in 2003 when the game actually was pretty balanced and fun. Bring that back please...? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Let me remind you a bit how it was in 2003: - Shield hardeners were 70% resist. Scorps with almost 100% resist to dmg was common. - Cap Power Relay had no shield boost penalty, so apocs with XL shield booster and 7x CPR in lows could tank forever. - Damage mod stacking was so horrible because not only did it stack with small AND medium skills, but it also stacked with surgical strike skill. This caused people to have redicilous dmg mods on any gun and a cruiser could insta pop another cruiser. - MWDs stacked, so you could fit 3x MWD and do 20km/s or more. I can go on, but I think I proved my point that you don't really know what you are doing. Yeah yeah, Ive already apologized...and besides, I was talking about balance between the races. But never mind that now. I was kind of upset when I wrote that, so just let it be. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:10:00 - [30] didnt you get the memo they use duct tape not nails darklegionca - One name. One legend.



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