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Infinity Ziona Cloakers 2297	Posted - 2015.04.02 20:16:42 - [331] - Quote baltec1 wrote: March rabbit wrote: baltec1 wrote: Nina Lowel wrote: baltec1 wrote: All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it. Hahaha. So delusional. Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up. I cannot talk about current 0.0 but back in 2011 we in DroneLand were VERY AWARE of group of 9-13 people who were dropping solo ratters with up to 12 blackops.... And if you say that your 12 blackops are nothing.... They arn't when you dump 12-30 carriers on them. Problem with dumping 12-30 carriers is timing. Scenario - 1 cov ops perma cloaked in system, been there a few weeks (most droppers will have multiple of these all around regions they operate in). See's target. No one in system. CTA - dweebs log off their high sec mission running accounts, log on their blops characters, drop the target, jump out, log out. There's no way to preempt them unless you have guys perma-ready to counter drop on the off chance the afk will go active the next time. You know this baltec... CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenshae Chiroptera 1202	Posted - 2015.04.03 00:00:38 - [332] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Cant have one without the other. . CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow. Fozzie is treating a symptom.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15547	Posted - 2015.04.03 03:13:16 - [333] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Problem with dumping 12-30 carriers is timing. Scenario - 1 cov ops perma cloaked in system, been there a few weeks (most droppers will have multiple of these all around regions they operate in). See's target. No one in system. CTA - dweebs log off their high sec mission running accounts, log on their blops characters, drop the target, jump out, log out. There's no way to preempt them unless you have guys perma-ready to counter drop on the off chance the afk will go active the next time. You know this baltec... You have an entire region of people out flying ratting carriers, all you need is a cyno of your own and some organisation. Responce time is damn near instant. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3762	Posted - 2015.04.03 07:36:21 - [334] - Quote I'm no 0.0 expert, but maybe there should be ways to protect backwater systems for mining. For example, disabling stargates to non-alliance members. To get in, you would need an entosis for a few minutes, maybe in the prime time window. That could maybe create a reasonable mechanic to secure and have a decent chance to defend space. If someone manages to get in, either through stealth or guns-a-blazing, then you just lost your safe haven. Interesting new mechanic, maybe? IRL, fighters fight on the frontlines to protect the civilians creating wealth in the backlines. In current EVE, protecting miners from ninja attacks requires way too much (boring) effort to be viable, from what I understand of 0.0 industrial gameplay. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Nina Lowel Ministry of War Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:09:07 - [335] - Quote baltec1 wrote: March rabbit wrote: baltec1 wrote: Nina Lowel wrote: baltec1 wrote: All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it. Hahaha. So delusional. Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up. I cannot talk about current 0.0 but back in 2011 we in DroneLand were VERY AWARE of group of 9-13 people who were dropping solo ratters with up to 12 blackops.... And if you say that your 12 blackops are nothing.... They arn't when you dump 12-30 carriers on them. Yes because smaller entities always have the numbers on for 12-30 carriers at the sound of a ping in their off time zone. As I said, you're ignorant to the problem because you personally don't have the problem being in a 30k man alliance that's part of a how many thousands of player coalition?
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15548	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:15:36 - [336] - Quote Nina Lowel wrote: Yes because smaller entities always have the numbers on for 12-30 carriers at the sound of a ping in their off time zone. As I said, you're ignorant to the problem because you personally don't have the problem being in a 30k man alliance that's part of a how many thousands of player coalition? If you don't have 30 guys to call on at any given time you don't deserve to hold your space. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 736	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:16:12 - [337] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Problem with dumping 12-30 carriers is timing. Scenario - 1 cov ops perma cloaked in system, been there a few weeks (most droppers will have multiple of these all around regions they operate in). See's target. No one in system. CTA - dweebs log off their high sec mission running accounts, log on their blops characters, drop the target, jump out, log out. There's no way to preempt them unless you have guys perma-ready to counter drop on the off chance the afk will go active the next time. You know this baltec... You have an entire region of people out flying ratting carriers, all you need is a cyno of your own and some organisation. Responce time is damn near instant. And the next part of why is because his alliance is in space that is difficult to get to apart from Black Ops, try that in other areas and people will just counter drop the carriers with supers, dreads and titans. But fortress Deklin is safe from that so, carriers can be used to counter BLOPS drops by having all the carrier have a cyno on them. So lets imagine that Test tries that in Wicked Creek, oooops is that 50 PL Supers I see there, does that help baltec1 see the reality of space outside fortress Deklin, lol. Ella's Snack bar
Nina Lowel Ministry of War Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:19:29 - [338] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Nina Lowel wrote: Yes because smaller entities always have the numbers on for 12-30 carriers at the sound of a ping in their off time zone. As I said, you're ignorant to the problem because you personally don't have the problem being in a 30k man alliance that's part of a how many thousands of player coalition? If you don't have 30 guys to call on at any given time you don't deserve to hold your space. Why should 30 guys be on call 23/7 because of 1 AFK cyno dropper that decides to find something in the few minutes he's active? It takes less than 30 seconds to drop near any ratter cept maybe a triage carrier but not everyone rats in a triage carrier. Seriously, you are so ignorant and thick skulled that I literally feel sorry for you IRL and anyone that has to deal with you on a personal basis.
Nina Lowel Ministry of War Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:23:32 - [339] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: And the next part of why is because his alliance is in space that is difficult to get to apart from Black Ops, try that in other areas and people will just counter drop the carriers with supers, dreads and titans. But fortress Deklin is safe from that so, carriers can be used to counter BLOPS drops by having all the carrier have a cyno on them. So lets imagine that Test tries that in Wicked Creek, oooops is that 50 PL Supers I see there, does that help baltec1 see the reality of space outside fortress Deklin, lol. This is exactly what he doesn't understand. "Doesn't effect me, it shouldn't be changed"
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 736	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:52:30 - [340] - Quote Nina Lowel wrote: Dracvlad wrote: And the next part of why is because his alliance is in space that is difficult to get to apart from Black Ops, try that in other areas and people will just counter drop the carriers with supers, dreads and titans. But fortress Deklin is safe from that so, carriers can be used to counter BLOPS drops by having all the carrier have a cyno on them. So lets imagine that Test tries that in Wicked Creek, oooops is that 50 PL Supers I see there, does that help baltec1 see the reality of space outside fortress Deklin, lol. This is exactly what he doesn't understand. "Doesn't effect me, it shouldn't be changed" Fortress Deklin is well defended against this type of issue because it's out of range and GSF is surrounded by "meat" that has to deal with it and GSF also has nearly 30k pilots. Watch his next reply, it will be a one liner troll or something about defending your space, or changing the subject, ahem cough cough... Ella's Snack bar
Dictateur Imperator Babylon Knights DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:01:54 - [341] - Quote Why continue to speak about nerf or not cloacky ? Actually perma cloak permit moral harassement , and it's just illegal in a lot of country. It's time to CCP to change this and offer one counter. Law argument best argument. If you are unahpy by the end of perma cloaking: how can you said you are pvp player ? it's offer to you a lot of new game play to bait/hunt people. And as "pvp" player like to said to carebear : Adapt or die.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1581	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:16:01 - [342] - Quote baltec1 wrote: March rabbit wrote: baltec1 wrote: Nina Lowel wrote: baltec1 wrote: All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it. Hahaha. So delusional. Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up. I cannot talk about current 0.0 but back in 2011 we in DroneLand were VERY AWARE of group of 9-13 people who were dropping solo ratters with up to 12 blackops.... And if you say that your 12 blackops are nothing.... They arn't when you dump 12-30 carriers on them. ... You have an entire region of people out flying ratting carriers, all you need is a cyno of your own and some organisation. Responce time is damn near instant. ... How would you do it in your 'cyno jammed system'? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 74	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:26:00 - [343] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: I'm no 0.0 expert, but maybe there should be ways to protect backwater systems for mining. For example, disabling stargates to non-alliance members. I'm a rabid carebear & even I think that's absurd.
Lienzo Amanuensis 74	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:29:14 - [344] - Quote I hope this does not become a tool that protects fleets.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6683	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:47:21 - [345] - Quote Dictateur Imperator wrote: Why continue to speak about nerf or not cloacky ? Actually perma cloak permit moral harassement , and it's just illegal in a lot of country. It's time to CCP to change this and offer one counter. Law argument best argument. If you are unahpy by the end of perma cloaking: how can you said you are pvp player ? it's offer to you a lot of new game play to bait/hunt people. And as "pvp" player like to said to carebear : Adapt or die. Basically, go out and start cloaking then going afk ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Dictateur Imperator Babylon Knights DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.04.04 06:17:17 - [346] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Dictateur Imperator wrote: Why continue to speak about nerf or not cloacky ? Actually perma cloak permit moral harassement , and it's just illegal in a lot of country. It's time to CCP to change this and offer one counter. Law argument best argument. If you are unahpy by the end of perma cloaking: how can you said you are pvp player ? it's offer to you a lot of new game play to bait/hunt people. And as "pvp" player like to said to carebear : Adapt or die. Basically, go out and start cloaking then going afk You haven't understand my post, or you troll. I think you troll , so pleas follow rules of this forum. Afk cloacking permit moral harassement, it's illegal, read my post dude. The discussion is not " why nerf cloack", but "cloak must be nerved, so what we doing to nerf it ?"
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15560	Posted - 2015.04.04 07:32:55 - [347] - Quote March rabbit wrote: How would you do it in your 'cyno jammed system'? You arn't willing to have a standing fleet for protection in the system so here is an alternative to your problem. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15561	Posted - 2015.04.04 07:36:22 - [348] - Quote Nina Lowel wrote: Why should 30 guys be on call 23/7 because of 1 AFK cyno dropper that decides to find something in the few minutes he's active? Because you are in null sec not highsec. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 169	Posted - 2015.04.04 07:39:47 - [349] - Quote Shoulsn't this thread locked, because of deadhorse? "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 169	Posted - 2015.04.04 07:43:39 - [350] - Quote Dictateur Imperator wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Dictateur Imperator wrote: Why continue to speak about nerf or not cloacky ? Actually perma cloak permit moral harassement , and it's just illegal in a lot of country. It's time to CCP to change this and offer one counter. Law argument best argument. If you are unahpy by the end of perma cloaking: how can you said you are pvp player ? it's offer to you a lot of new game play to bait/hunt people. And as "pvp" player like to said to carebear : Adapt or die. Basically, go out and start cloaking then going afk You haven't understand my post, or you troll. I think you troll , so pleas follow rules of this forum. Afk cloacking permit moral harassement, it's illegal, read my post dude. The discussion is not " why nerf cloack", but "cloak must be nerved, so what we doing to nerf it ?" No it doesn't. It's a game, not real life. Go file a case and tell us what the doctors said after they sent you to a psychologist. It really looks like you forgot that this isn't real life, that this is a game and no one is forced to join it. What the flying Freud is wrong with you?? Get your sanity checked... "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Ren Oren ArchTech Logistics and Trading 80	Posted - 2015.04.04 13:58:45 - [351] - Quote sabre906 wrote: baltec1 wrote: Nina Lowel wrote: baltec1 wrote: All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it. Hahaha. So delusional. Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up. When was the last time Bomber Bar blapped a goonie carrier in 15 seconds flat? Oh that's right, yesterday. Wh space is not only hotdrop proof, the isk in it is vastly higher than any max upgraded -1.0 truesec system (unless you count in moon goo), and there's no sov bills or sov wars. Why would anyone in their right mind live in a wh system that has gates, hotdrops, sov bills, and far lower isk? In order to convince anyone to live in such a place, rewards will have to be set so high it may as well screw up Eve. There is no station you can dock up and save your stuff in (even if the station gets flipped you can still get your stuff if you get it back), in WH space if someone gets the jump on you, there is no evac, no insta-undock, no jumpbridge, no cyno... the only option is to pay a HUGE ransom, wait for death, or self destruct everything you own to deny the enemy the full pleasure of crushing you. Wormholes are not easier than null, if thats your argument against no local, then its a weak one
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5288	Posted - 2015.04.04 14:14:40 - [352] - Quote Ren Oren wrote: There is no station you can dock up and save your stuff in (even if the station gets flipped you can still get your stuff if you get it back), in WH space if someone gets the jump on you, there is no evac, no insta-undock, no jumpbridge, no cyno... the only option is to pay a HUGE ransom, wait for death, or self destruct everything you own to deny the enemy the full pleasure of crushing you. Wormholes are not easier than null, if thats your argument against no local, then its a weak one You're only real argument there is lack of stations, which is irrelevant since you simply wouldn't pile trillions of isk into a POS in wormhole if you couldn't defend it. Since there's no cynos in wormhole space it means noone can use force projection to crush you. As wormholes have mass limits you can choose what the max size of ships you want to attack you is when you pick your space, and you can even build ships bigger than that to give you an edge in defence. You can also seal up wormholes leaving just the static(s) if you have any. Importantly, if someone decides to attack your group, they can't just fly to your space. You can't simply route to a wormhole like you can in nullsec. Wormholes also have omnitank PvE, meaning the ships you use can take a beating from all type too, while null PvE is specific resists, meaning that you either have to take more damage from rats to omnitank or risk having a gaping hole in your resists that anyone can predict. So I can quite comfortably say that null without local would be more risky and less rewarding that WH space. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6690	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:38:06 - [353] - Quote Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Chewytowel Haklar Project RESET 129	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:47:24 - [354] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering Sounds like the Goons have a fun little scheme they are working up. :D Look forward to seeing this if you do it.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4273	Posted - 2015.04.04 15:54:26 - [355] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Dictateur Imperator Babylon Knights DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:05:18 - [356] - Quote Cloacking is actually use for moral harassement who is illegal in my country. So CCP want to offer a way to counter this it's a good thing : CCP game avoid to have some juridical problem and more over gameplay become best by more content in 0.0. (Yes nerf perma clocking means more pve/miner in 0.0 who have they 're own content and means more target for pvp player.) Eve become more interesting for all people with this.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6692	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:36:02 - [357] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering Sounds like the Goons have a fun little scheme they are working up. :D Look forward to seeing this if you do it. No, I was actually thinking about the strategy I anticipate from massadeath of moa (the ones who will end our 0.0 nightmare) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4276	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:38:59 - [358] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category. In other words, do not repost a removed post! ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Dictateur Imperator Babylon Knights DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:58:55 - [359] - Quote Isd Ezwal i don't troll: http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F32247.xhtml http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F32239.xhtml Actually perma cloaking is illegal in my country for the harassment who people do with it. I let you translate in english the two official link . So my argument for bye bye cloaking : Law of my country nothing else. And more : If perma cloack is nerf: More activity in 0.0 because more ratter/miner, so more content for they.... and more content for pvp people beacause more target.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6692	Posted - 2015.04.04 17:01:21 - [360] - Quote Don't be silly afk cloaking while doing nothing obviously helps catch the targets ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.

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