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LaCoHa
Caldari Deep Space Navy
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.22 07:27:00 -
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I say throw the RP system out the window.
CCP should randomly (RANDOMLY) disperse the T2 BPOs - then people like me would have at the very least a chance, therefore, I would not whine.
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xStealthx
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Posted - 2006.10.22 08:46:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Weirda
the word "mudflation" make Weirda want to punch someone in the neck.
seriously.
roflcopter
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.22 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: LaCoHa
I say throw the RP system out the window.
CCP should randomly (RANDOMLY) disperse the T2 BPOs - then people like me would have at the very least a chance, therefore, I would not whine.
You already have a chance (or, at least, you will if they release more T2 BPOs). All you need to do is spend a couple days training, then find a research agent. I'd had a research agent for only three months when I got lucky in the lottery.
-Wrayeth
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LaCoHa
Caldari Deep Space Navy
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.22 09:22:00 -
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/emote *****s the "be productive dont just haul crap and cost money" whip at his alt. :)
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.22 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 22/10/2006 09:46:19
Edited by: Earthan on 22/10/2006 09:42:06
I agree t2 bpc/bpo have to be regulated and seeded carefully, but i think maybe abit more of them woudl be good with less benefit going to one pocket.
What about seeding 10 bpc of a hac with 100 runs each each month or somethign liek this?
What i mean here is one that gets lucky gets lucky only for smaller period of time, and more poeple can get their chance( currently as i see it a person gets a t2 bpo and is set for his Eve life with isk.this doesnt sound remotely right).also less chance for mnopolies
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Labratory Rat
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:09:00 -
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I used to think the t2 lottery was disgusting. Then I won a couple bpo's and now I don't care.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Labratory Rat
I used to think the t2 lottery was disgusting. Then I won a couple bpo's and now I don't care.
Anyway, what shocks me more than CCP refusing to seed more BPOs of the existing ships is that they are going to continue seeing BPOs through the same broken lottery system.
If ALL of T2 was performed through invention then the game would be much better for it. Turn all exisiting T2 BPOs into very high-run BPCs and force everyone to go through the same system to get their T2 stuff.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:22:00 -
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Not all T2 BPOs make ISKs and stop complaining so much. I do prefer CCP not seed any more T2 BPOs but limited T2 BPCs from player side.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:26:00 -
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I agree with Jenny - leave the existing BPOs as BPOs. New BPOs or, even better, BPCs for the same items are fine, however.
-Wrayeth
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Labratory Rat
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:27:00 -
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I don't agree with the whining of the OP, but I'd like you know which BPO was sold for 75 bil. That way when invention arrives we can all concentrate on producing this item just to annoy whoever spent 75bil on a BPO before a large feature is added to the game to reduce the dependence on tech2 BPO's.
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Caletha
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:35:00 -
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The problem I see with the T2 BPO market is that the person that gets the BPO gets so much money from 1 item that he never has to make isk again unless he buys his own private mothership or titan.
Instead of BPO's they should have seeded 1000-run BPC's, this way no single person would ever get EvE switched to easy mode.
Because lets face it, the risk in Eve's PvP system is simple, its the risk of losing your ship, the isk related to it. T2 BPO owners dont have that risk because they have so much money its ridiculous. Then to add injury to insult, these same T2 BPO owners are the ones buying MORE T2 BPO's which allows them to make even MORE money.
Fair? Probably not, it doesnt have to be fair but it has to put into perspective.
Take a vagabond for example, 280m-300m thats what, a 230m markup per vaga? Which takes (with no build skills on a not-researched bpo) 1d 20h to build, which can probably be brought to 1d (even less?) with researching / better build skills. Thats a nice 1.6b isk per week. Or 83.7b a year.
Replace vagabond with any of the other popular HAC's (cerb, etc) and you have the same thing.
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Soraya Silvermoon
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:37:00 -
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I think that the mindset: "everyone should fly and fit TII" is redicolous...
TII should not be something everyone got access to.
I got no probs with the TII prices and tbh they could up em to 50 mill per gun for what I care.
And no I dont own a BPO I simply would use TI stuff instead.
Allso the game needs all types of ppl. we need pesons who is silly rich. Such ppl get bored with their isk so they fund the invation of a region or such things and it makes life fun for the lowlifers whos fighting.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon
I think that the mindset: "everyone should fly and fit TII" is redicolous...
TII should not be something everyone got access to.
I got no probs with the TII prices and tbh they could up em to 50 mill per gun for what I care.
And no I dont own a BPO I simply would use TI stuff instead.
Allso the game needs all types of ppl. we need pesons who is silly rich. Such ppl get bored with their isk so they fund the invation of a region or such things and it makes life fun for the lowlifers whos fighting.
The thing is, with T2 ammo T2 guns have become must. EANM IIs are far superior to other tanks, which is why the price of those have skyrockets. There are no T1 covert ops cloaking devices.
If you don't care about T2, then posting about it.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:52:00 -
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T1 is do-able in PvE. In PvP, however, it's another matter. You must have the T2 edge, otherwise you lose.
-Wrayeth
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The Enslaver
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:55:00 -
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Heh.
I've made a lot of money from T2, but I tell you - it is unbalanced, it is unfair, and it needs to be fixed.
And that is coming from a T2 BPO holder...
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Reite
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:57:00 -
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I hope invention will half the price of HACs. The BPO owners would still have a 4x buildcost markup if HACs started selling for 100 mill. Imo that gives everyone a fair chance.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
Because its making EVE all about luck. Getting tech II BPO's is a lottery not a profession. If there were 3 times as many BPO's Then the ships might sell for a reasonable price so more people can fly them.
I don't deny the existence of a lottery, but you still need to train skills, standing grind and perhaps even do the daily missions to have a good chance of winning.
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Infinity Ziona
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:01:00 -
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I agree. Another stupid idea giving out these things to alts that do nothing but sit on the server accumulating RP. Effort should be required for such uber prizes.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
One person being able to win a 75 billion isk BPO out of pure luck is just rediculous. When will CCP finally wake up and release three or four times as many BPO's to fix the market.
That won't fix things - at least not over night.
the thing is, the market is player driven. the price is 75 billion, because there are those who are more than willing to pay that much for this particular BPO.
sucks, sure, but releasing more BPOs will not immediately have this effect, and it won't drop the price by much tbh. especially not 3-4x the number currently in circulation. perhaps 10x or 20x would drop the price a bit, as the market would be flooded - supply would outstrip demand.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:07:00 -
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rabble rabble etc
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 22/10/2006 11:13:58
Edited by: Galk on 22/10/2006 11:12:10
You're all missing it.
The fact people have 70-80 billion to just throw at these items will mean the game will never be balanced, reguardless of how ccp change it.
Aslong as ccp stick to the ideals of limited supply.. those with the money in the circle of high end t2 ship production.. will continue on in the manner in which this ones turned out.
Same day different auction... till there all tied up in the circle of the high end's that bid on this one... or the closed alliances.
More than funny if the later ever came about though... ccp would change it then for sure...
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar
Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:09:00 -
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Get rid of T2 BPOs from R+D agents and have them give out BPCs. Once that BPC has expired, allow another to be released. This controls the ammount of items released into the market, while at the same time giving more researchers a chance of getting a bite of the apple.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles
because ccp wants everybody to move to 00 where alliances have lots of the t2 bpos.
Just a hint: the reason there's so many T2 BPOs in alliance control is not because they are seeded to them. In many cases, the alliances are those buying the BPOs.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
I don't deny the existence of a lottery, but you still need to train skills, standing grind and perhaps even do the daily missions to have a good chance of winning.
Nonsense, all you have to do is buy more accounts and grind for a few days with each char ... Which is why CCP doesn't have much of an incentive to fix it.
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Dux Dar
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:47:00 -
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The new invention system will probaably not help on the situation alot. It will spread the income from T2 a bitt, but in the words of the devs, its gonna be bloody hard to get a T2 bpc, with realy crappy me.
Our only hope is that over time they remove the me-penaly of invention (allow us to invent bpc's with 0me, or even positive me). That way, the lotto winners will at lease be forced to do a couple of levels of me reaserch to make more isk the someone working for a living (per run)
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:38:00 -
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it's really unfair, unless it's mine
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:47:00 -
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I clearly remember being able to buy Zealots for 65m each with relative ease. then prices climbed to 85m and i was shocked. now they are almost 100m more.
YAY! Screwed up inflation FTL!
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:52:00 -
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Put a time limit on the life of a BPO. Voila. Problem fixed.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:21:00 -
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Don't you know? They're really CCCP, and this is their way of Communism! 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
So then 3 times as many people get lucky and can make a load (albeit not so much individually) of isk for doing nothing?
Kinda hypocritical don't u think?
Don't forget you'll end up with groups that simply have all the BPOs they need due to having so damn many of those alts and then they simply buy the cheaper BPOs after ratting/mining/plexing/whatever for a week.
T2's been out long enough, time to seed the BPOs to the market.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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