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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:52:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Riley Craven
First. I never invested in the EIB. Too much other things to spend isk on that was more important.
Second. I would think that the EIB would have had some kind of records of who gave what. At the very least they would still have their shares.
Its not hard to either A. offer a payout to peoples shares, or B. flip a coin to give some people all of their money.
Choice made in two seconds, not four months.
Further it should not be anyones responsibility to Troll these forums trying to find information on the EIB. Just because you percieve people shrinking up into a whole doesnt mean they have.
What? It's a good idea to hold a contest with the 1.5 billion ISK as a reward. If he split the money amongst those who lost the money in the scandal, then he would probably be giving no one more than 1 million ISK. But no one is really interested in getting back 1% or less of what they initially invested.
This way, someone actually notices the money, and they get to have fun while doing it.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:25:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Riley Craven on 24/10/2006 17:25:35
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Riley Craven
First. I never invested in the EIB. Too much other things to spend isk on that was more important.
Second. I would think that the EIB would have had some kind of records of who gave what. At the very least they would still have their shares.
Its not hard to either A. offer a payout to peoples shares, or B. flip a coin to give some people all of their money.
Choice made in two seconds, not four months.
Further it should not be anyones responsibility to Troll these forums trying to find information on the EIB. Just because you percieve people shrinking up into a whole doesnt mean they have.
What? It's a good idea to hold a contest with the 1.5 billion ISK as a reward. If he split the money amongst those who lost the money in the scandal, then he would probably be giving no one more than 1 million ISK. But no one is really interested in getting back 1% or less of what they initially invested.
This way, someone actually notices the money, and they get to have fun while doing it.
If you read my post I listed two options Give all of the money back for a few investors based luck such as a coin toss. Works just like a lottery.
I dont really care if anyone would notice the money. Its about doing the fair and morally right thing.
In this case choice A. If a company went under in RL this is what option they would have to deal with.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:00:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Riley Craven
If you read my post I listed two options Give all of the money back for a few investors based luck such as a coin toss. Works just like a lottery.
I dont really care if anyone would notice the money. Its about doing the fair and morally right thing.
In this case choice A. If a company went under in RL this is what option they would have to deal with.
But we are not talking about a game, not real life. By all accounts, there is no moral obligation for the OP to hand out the money at all, and the fact that he is willing to give the money back to the community shows that he is of greater character than most around here.
Furthermore, as the OP stated, he tried to get in contact with those who were scammed, but it didn't work out as the thread died out (I'm sure there's a "don't bump your own thread" rule somewhere around these forums...). The point is, he tried to give the money back, but he couldn't find those who the money belonged to. In real life, the money would be legally his to do with as he pleases (at least in the US, the "it's yours if no one claims it in 30 days").
Another thing to consider is that this particular person may not have access to the information necessary to find those who the money belongs to. Without this information, anyone couuld post on the forums and say: "The money is mine - give it to me", and he would have no idea if the money belongs to him or not.
Of course, this is my own opinion. Yours very well may be different (in fact, it most likely is). As such both of our points have been made already, and further debate will most likely not contribute to the thread in a constructive manner anymore.
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Artthana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:18:00 -
[94]
Sounds like fun.
I am eagerly awaiting a chance to be the winner.
Realy not sure what the hell I would do with 1.5B.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Riley Craven
If you read my post I listed two options Give all of the money back for a few investors based luck such as a coin toss. Works just like a lottery.
I dont really care if anyone would notice the money. Its about doing the fair and morally right thing.
In this case choice A. If a company went under in RL this is what option they would have to deal with.
But we are not talking about a game, not real life. By all accounts, there is no moral obligation for the OP to hand out the money at all, and the fact that he is willing to give the money back to the community shows that he is of greater character than most around here.
Furthermore, as the OP stated, he tried to get in contact with those who were scammed, but it didn't work out as the thread died out (I'm sure there's a "don't bump your own thread" rule somewhere around these forums...). The point is, he tried to give the money back, but he couldn't find those who the money belonged to. In real life, the money would be legally his to do with as he pleases (at least in the US, the "it's yours if no one claims it in 30 days").
Another thing to consider is that this particular person may not have access to the information necessary to find those who the money belongs to. Without this information, anyone couuld post on the forums and say: "The money is mine - give it to me", and he would have no idea if the money belongs to him or not.
Of course, this is my own opinion. Yours very well may be different (in fact, it most likely is). As such both of our points have been made already, and further debate will most likely not contribute to the thread in a constructive manner anymore.
So your saying that just because this is virtual reality there are no longer restrictions on what is good... right and moral.... You are traveling down a very slippery slope.
Just because real life rules havent caught up to virtual reality does not mean that there are none and should be none. Game, morality will always be in play. Thats a fact not an opinion.
Second using the forums to contact people is the biggest BS I have ever heard. Only a small minority actaully look at this forums. Furthermore it should not be hard for someone to take a screen shot of the shares they own in EIB to prove that they actaully invested.
Third, with regards to unclaimed property alot of steps must be taken, and in most cases just because you found it doesnt mean you should keep it.
Just because something is hard does not give anyone an excuse to skirt obligations to the community.
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aggiedog
Kaos Order
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:52:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: aggiedog
How about a rock, paper, scissors match?
You get everyone in a system(hopefully a quiet one) and meet at one station. Everyone is docked with 3 different racial frigates. Amarr would be rock(obviously), Mimitar would be paper(isn't that what the ships are made out of), and Caldari could be scissors(or Gallante if you have a preference ).
There would be a tournement bracket with all of the contestents. 2 people would choose their frig and then undock. Whoever beats whoever will advance onward toward the prize. This would continue until their is only one. Obviously, there will need to be a judge to confirm who wins, and heck you could hold this at multiple stations to speed up the tourny.
very original. Would be best done with shuttles rather than frigs though, as not everyone can fly 3 races of frigates :)
I might take a few of these on-board, and have certain amounts of cash for each competition, ie 500m per or something like this
Sweet, my second compliment in 1 week. Things are going good for this pod pilot.
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TalonSin
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:21:00 -
[97]
Dude, how about sending me a few million? Here is why I need it:
I'm so poor I cant pay attention, what were we just talking about?
I'm so poor the rats wont shoot at my ship because they know I will come after them and eat them.
I'm so poor I had to be a Jovian because none of the other races would have me
I'm so poor I have to wait outside the Quafe factory and drink out of peoples thrown away cans.
I'm so poor I wait at the door of my local KFC and lick other peoples fingers as they are coming out
I'm so poor the welcome mat at the entrance to my ship just says "Wel" because I could not afford the rest of the letters
I'm so poor I have to wear my Quafe factory workers uniform to church.
I'm so poor the bank repossesed my cardboard ship.
I'm so poor that yesterday I was caught wrestling a squirrel for a peanut.
I'm so poor if you come over to my ship for dinner I would just read you the recipe
I'm so poor I have to take the trash IN.
I'm so poor they put my picture on food stamps.
I'm so poor my ship communications array only has two channels, off and on.
I'm so poor I cant even afford to go to the free clinic.
I'm so poor I once got married just for the rice.
I'm so poor a burglar broke into my ship and left me money.
I'm so poor the last time I smelled hot food was when a rich man farted.
I'm so poor I eat cereal with a fork to save milk.
I'm so poor I had to put free samples on lay-a-way.
I'm so poor if you asked me what was for dinner I would have to take my shoe strings out and say "Spagetti"
I'm so poor TV dinner trays are my good china.
I know you laughed at one of those, surely thats worth a few million... 
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Kar'Dargo
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:29:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Kar''Dargo on 24/10/2006 20:29:43
It would be fun to have a corporation based tourney with Cruisers and frigates. Offer prizes for place 1-5 and make it a tournament style elimination. That would generate alot of interest if done well, I am sure you could recruit (or hire) some help.
Anyway, I would try to help if you need some.
Good luck and have fun with it!
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Enotz
Amarr
Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:38:00 -
[99]
fly around the universe as an alt in a noobship, act like you just started, write down the name of everyone helpful, and send it to them
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Jon Boy
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:42:00 -
[100]
for 10 Billion isk, i will get my corp to go to war with both BoB and ASCN, and ill fraps the results for you.
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SasRipper
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:45:00 -
[101]
I would spend the money on buyig up as many wcs as possible !!!
to prevent lamers getting there hands on them!
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Please don't derail your own thread.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
Mintaka Mining Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:46:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Enotz
fly around the universe as an alt in a noobship, act like you just started, write down the name of everyone helpful, and send it to them
I like this idea a lot. Shuttle around the belts and just chat it up. Anyone that is hard at work mining and is cheerful to you, or seems nice, shoot em 100 mil and a link to the forums on marketing.
The best part of this, it is totally spontaneous. You won't have people backstabbing to get to your cash with whatever contest you have in mind. You can change the lives of 15 players in Eve, or hand out 50 mil at a time and affect 30 people.
Whatever you decide to do, I hope it pans out nicely. You always hear of scams and such in this game, hardly anything nice happens. I feel sorry for EIB investors that lost money. You are always going to have insensitive people saying that it is the investor's fault. That amounts to folks saying a crime victim wasn't careful enough to prevent the crime.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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space hobo
Gallente
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:49:00 -
[103]
give the isk to me and ill make Kar'Dargo sig go away
400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. - Acario Vito
its not my fault that noobs PC's cant handle small image's - space hobo |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:49:00 -
[104]
Create a newbie alt, and watch the corp and local channels for newbies asking questions. Give each newbie that asks a question 10 mil, and give whoever answers it without being an ass 10 mil.
Rinse and repeat for all races.
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Grimmdus Almanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:08:00 -
[105]
Well contests tend to get the rich richer. Thats what i have seen. Why not help out some guys that are in need of the cash. I am at just under -80 million isk in my account right now after getting popped from warp gate error my first time into 0.0 space. Some of us guys sc*****by ship by ship out here. Not trying to be greedy here but i could really use the help even just for the 80 mil so i can actually trade and sell again. Thank goodness for freinds i started out with -97 mil. Please don't see this a begging, but if you are giving it away i could definately use a little.
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Dawnstar
Gallente
Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:14:00 -
[106]
One item which I haven't seen suggested as of yet is a scavenger hunt of some sort. Pick a station somewhere for the "home base". Take a look at the market and pick some items where the nearest item is a good distance away or non-existent in the region. Announce that the first player to show you that they have item X gets Y isk. This makes it kind of a race to get the item specified and return. You could even make some of them more difficult (such as a larger quantity or rarer item). The players wouldn't necessarily have to give you the item, just show you that they have it (via a trade window).
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:42:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Ricdic
Since the EIB scandal and my alt being a teller in the bank I have been left with 1.5 billion isk in the alt's wallet. The simple fact, is that I don't want the money. Those interested in obtaining this 1.5 billion isk, or prizes etc are advised to -
Stop.
Hold that thought.
Now go to your junkmail folder and glance through a few 419 scam e-mails. Use one as a template and adhering to all conventions, write up your situation.
For example:
Quote:
From the Desk of Ricdic, former employee of EVE Investment Bank (EIB)
Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Planet IV Moon 4
Jita
The Forge
Sir -
I contact you in most desparate* circumstances. I pray that you can help me.
Earlier this year I was employed as a Teller at the EVE Investment Bank (EIB), being trusted with transferring large sums of money on behalf of its owners and clients. Unfortunately some months ago, Mssrs Cally and [who else?] walked away with almost the entire funds of the bank, a sum of 700bn ISK (SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION ISK).
Praise god I had not yet deposited the last transactions, totalling 1.5bn ISK (ONE BILLION AND FIVE HUNDRED MILLION ISK). Being an honest, faithful and worshipful employee, I spent months trying to track down its rightful owners. But now I learn tragic news - all owners of the money are dead in the battle of MI60-6!
Under the laws of the Caldari State, I can keep some portion of this money if I can find willing persons in another Empire to invest this money in reputable business. I pray you are such person.
But I have a problem, I cannot release even a portion of this money without paying a fee to the Caldari Business Tribunal. There is tax of 0.0001%! I ask that you send electronic transfer of 10,000 ISK (TEN THOUSAND ISK) to receive your share of this fortune which will be 100m ISK (ONE HUNDRED MILLION ISK). I then expidite payment.
Signed with hope,
Ricdic
* Convention demands that you mis-spell some words and grammar is poor.
Now here's what you do. Take a tour of noob systems, and look through Local for characters a couple of months old, with +1.00 or higher faction standing and some NPC standings, indicating completion of tutorial mission and belt-ratting. Send them the 419 (you will have to be far more brief than the example above, to stay within character limits).
If one takes the bait, send them the 100m ISK. That should buy them a couple of battlecruisers and a new barge. Because sometimes even idiots could do with a break.
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Kuenan
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:44:00 -
[108]
Pick 10 random people that hang out in lowsec or 0.0 space and put a 150 million dollar bounty on them. 
Kuenan
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DukDodgerz
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:46:00 -
[109]
fly around the noob systems, spot a noob mining, mission running, or ratting, and send the noob a million isk.
rinse, repeat until gone.
you will make a lot of noobs happy, and not waste a lot on a vets alt.
1-2 million is a LOT to a noob, and will give them a heck of a boost of moral to keep playing.
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:48:00 -
[110]
Originally by: DukDodgerz
fly around the noob systems, spot a noob mining, mission running, or ratting, and send the noob a million isk.
rinse, repeat until gone.
you will make a lot of noobs happy, and not waste a lot on a vets alt.
1-2 million is a LOT to a noob, and will give them a heck of a boost of moral to keep playing.
A lot of people must do that though. I wonder if you can even be a noob in EVE anymore without alts throwing money at you.
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Aqautica
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:00:00 -
[111]
Well firstly, I commend your values and what you want to do with this isk that is not yours.
As for ideas make it simple as not everyone can play Eve 24/7 like some of the guys here.
Why not try and coax peeps out of empire corps into low sec by picking so many stations and say that they must appear in that station by such and such a time....dam flaw is the alts.:/ and you do not play eve a lot.
Failsafe idea advertise a lottery that peeps pick 2 numbers only..keep it simple,,everyone gets 1 shot and whoever and how many ever get the 2 numbers (doesn't matter about sequence)get a share of the spoils...easy, no hassle not complicated and can be done in a short period of time.
anyway goodluck
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:01:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Riley Craven
First. I never invested in the EIB. Too much other things to spend isk on that was more important.
Second. I would think that the EIB would have had some kind of records of who gave what. At the very least they would still have their shares.
They have records on who had bank accounts with EIB (yes I have access to these). According to those records, it is also extremely easy to see that a few people on them are doctored accounts. How many others are also doctored???? Who knows, the cash could end up back in the scammer's hands
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Its not hard to either A. offer a payout to peoples shares,
Sure, but then account holders are screwed. I was a bank teller, and EIB was completely separate to EIBI. Plus, the fact is that a lot of those shares are unaccounted for and could very well also be in the possession of a Cally alt.
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or B. flip a coin to give some people all of their money.
I would then need to do 400 coin flips, as this is the amount of people with accounts. If counting shareholders, we would be looking at closer to 800-1000 people doing a coin flip. And then calculating the 1.5b divided by number of people winning the coin toss...
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Choice made in two seconds, not four months.
If only it were that easy
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Further it should not be anyones responsibility to Troll these forums trying to find information on the EIB. Just because you percieve people shrinking up into a whole doesnt mean they have.
Yes it should. You felt the need to call me a Jackass without knowing the story or facts. By not doing your research. This is what annoyed me so much, that you could turn around and just think you knew everything.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:22:00 -
[113]
Does anyone know a formula I would need for the following:
Lets assume I have EIB accounts
+++a++++
1 ricdic
2 jackass
3 donkey
4 alphabet
etc, with a total of 300+ accounts
I need a random number drawn from each account, and then the accounts listed in ie a 1-300 highest to lowest ascension.
If I had access too this, I could do a random number draw for people, without needing to fiddle with the current books. Then post the winners on the forums, allowing them to claim their prize if they/their friends saw the post. Winnings etc would only be based on the assumption that the person had at least 5 million isk in the account at the time of the closure.
People not claiming their losses within say a 1 week time, would be removed from the list, and the next corresponding number recieves that amount. Can anyone do that excel formula for me please, I am not too good with excel.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:28:00 -
[114]
Buy some spirits and give everyone a round, on the house.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:25:00 -
[115]
I would hold a huge Tourney involving JUST n00b ships and t1 mods.
INNO would hopefully officiate.
I can think of nothing more amusing than that.
A small portion of the funds I would use to crash a couple specific gatecamps, and gank the gankers.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:37:00 -
[116]
Someone already suggested this, but it was kind of ignored: Donate (some of?) the money to Eve University. It's an incredibly great organiation that helps a metric buttload of new players get through their first few weeks/months of Eve without going comletely batty.
They operate almost entirely on donations, and while I don't have access to their books, I'm sure that running the University costs the directors a good chunk of their own personal ISKies. If it weren't for the Uni, I'd probably have quit after a few months, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
The best part about this is that the money is used very efficiently (since they're used to operation with limited funds). They have a few scholarships which encourage new players to learn various aspects of the game (I myself have even given a lecture on avoiding the perils of low-sector piracy). Of course, they only do this when the money is available.
Anyway, I strongly encourage you to join their public channel, "Eve University" and take a look for yourself. They really do good work, and they'd put any cash you gave them to very good use.
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:19:00 -
[117]
Hear hear!
Endow the Ricdic Chair of Research and Development at Eve University. Help out a few noobs and defray some of Eve Uni's costs.
I haven't been in E-Uni for a few months now, but they've had war dec after war dec from random pirates and mercs, have lost access to 0.0, and many of their more senior members have moved on. Nevertheless, led by some really great instructors like Bruno, Silentbrick, MM and the rest, they keep on trucking, providing a really great service to the game as a whole.
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Dhaeron Lhun
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:37:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Dhaeron Lhun on 25/10/2006 12:37:24
Make a funny competition and the moderators hate you at the same time:
Make new thread with catchy title. Once noone posted in the thread for 3 hours the ISK is handed out to the last poster in the thread.
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Lord Feste
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:02:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Lord Feste on 25/10/2006 13:02:55
Put it up as a prize for the best player-made Eve machinima. Maybe get a few more donators to put the pot up a bit. Bring in some well-known folks from Eve, maybe even someone from CCP to sit on the panel.
Maybe some interaction with the eve forum community via voting too? (perhaps only in the early stages...)
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Ruddger
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.25 13:58:00 -
[120]
Hi, I sent you a message about an idea. Sorry I dont post it here but I want to keep this one under my hat untill I can do it myself.
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