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Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:50:00 - [1] Yo, TQ Moros armour = 37500 hp. Sisi Moros armour = 187500 hp. That's a 5 x hp boost, and checking the other Cap ships they have a similar bonus (350000 armour on an Avatar, FYI ) Nice ! Max --------------------
Hehulk FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:06:00 - [2] Are you serous? What about carriers/other dreads? ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:09:00 - [3] I'm still in queue (after a few hours), could you give me Archon stats please? With much <3
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:21:00 - [4] Checked the Nag, Thanatos, Hel & Avatar. All 5x more HP's. The freighters have no hp boost at all, not even by 50%. Bug or intended? Archon: 87500 shield 137500 armour 137500 hull That's all before all skills, mods, implants and rigs of course ! Max --------------------
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:21:00 - [5] very cool. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:27:00 - [6] It's not a bad idea, as long as they aren't made any easier to tank. As it stands now you can drop a dread or carrier with extreme ease, as long as they aren't repping. And a lot of the capital ship deaths that leave people feeling conned and in despair are due to module lag etc, which might get smoothed over a bit if there's more of a buffer there.
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:30:00 - [7] Orgasm <3
Frodo Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:33:00 - [8] MMMMM.....Nice
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:34:00 - [9] Just checked the capital armour rep, and that doesn't rep any more than before, so this is just a buffer rather than greater repping ability. But it is a hell of a buffer ! Oh, and my head just exploded looking at the rigs that will be going onto cap ships. 15% capacitor recharge rate, 15% capacitor size & 15% armour hp's I think are good places to start. Max --------------------
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:46:00 - [10] another good thing from kali. something is going corect :) 100% agree with this move. seen too many dreads die because module lag stopped them form turning on a CSB or CAR

Tragizz Fil	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Stamm It's not a bad idea, as long as they aren't made any easier to tank. As it stands now you can drop a dread or carrier with extreme ease, as long as they aren't repping. And a lot of the capital ship deaths that leave people feeling conned and in despair are due to module lag etc, which might get smoothed over a bit if there's more of a buffer there. So, uh, the solution to lag in capital battles is make capital ships 5 times harder to kill? If a superbuffed capital ship ever gets attacked all it has to do is log out and the ship will disappear in 5 minutes no matter the situation.
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:52:00 - [12] Awesome, just awesome. _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Wicaeed Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:53:00 - [13] Agree. If they make this change permanent they need to limit the active number of siege modules in a system to a certain number. Not only would that make it a reasonable change, but it would cut down on the lag as well.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:01:00 - [14] Bwaha, 257k Armor on thanatos w/ my skill \O/-_- WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Tragizz Fil So, uh, the solution to lag in capital battles is make capital ships 5 times harder to kill? If a superbuffed capital ship ever gets attacked all it has to do is log out and the ship will disappear in 15 minutes no matter the situation. You'll chew through an unmanned dread in the 15 minutes before it disappaears... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Revenant Shadow	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Revenant Shadow on 25/10/2006 01:34:20 Might have something to do with the release of the first Titan. Doomsdays weapons, afaik, aren't meant to dominate capitals the same way they do subcaps. 50k spike damage would break the shield and a good deal of the armor on some caps. (Edit) Did they change the shield recharge times to reflect this, by the way? If not... I'm getting a Phoenix NOW. 235k shields with Shield Management 5 and still "only" a 12000 recharge with shield systems 5. Not even counting mods. Passive on that thing would be a monstrosity.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Bwaha, 257k Armor on thanatos w/ my skill \O/-_- /me gets a big grin. How much armor will a fully skiled Nyx have? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:35:00 - [18] I had to read this the day I forget to wear my adult diapers? doh. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Bwaha, 257k Armor on thanatos w/ my skill \O/-_- damn nice wish i could get on test :( ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:36:00 - [20] Edited by: Baun on 25/10/2006 01:38:02 Originally by: Miyoko Sanae Originally by: Baun Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Bwaha, 257k Armor on thanatos w/ my skill \O/-_- /me gets a big grin. How much armor will a fully skiled Nyx have? Enough not to be called primary. /me clicks heels. The Enemy's Gate is Down

Miyoko Sanae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Bwaha, 257k Armor on thanatos w/ my skill \O/-_- /me gets a big grin. How much armor will a fully skiled Nyx have? Enough not to be called primary.
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:00:00 - [22] finally they can be as they should be... what about the bonuses on carriers??? they have to fix them... if not the mini carrier will still be the worst one off and i will be forced to sell or train for the gal one
Clone runner	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:02:00 - [23] i vote they change all of the carrier bonuses. 7.5% rep efficiency for thanatos please i would probably use mine on the frontlines then
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:04:00 - [24] Originally by: sr blackout finally they can be as they should be... what about the bonuses on carriers??? they have to fix them... if not the mini carrier will still be the worst one off and i will be forced to sell or train for the gal one It needs a remote cap rep reduction then it will own and be unique. The Enemy's Gate is Down
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:07:00 - [25] Edited by: sr blackout on 25/10/2006 02:08:46 so how long will it take for sheilds to recharge now? if your armor tanking? 1 day? or few hours or what 1 thing everyone is forgeting... FIGHTERS they better get 50% or more boost!!! every other ship will live longer and able to blow the stuffing out of them... what about gang warfare mods? do they work yet? what about the basic implants giving there 3-5% bonus!! i want all that stuff fixed
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:09:00 - [26] Originally by: sr blackout Edited by: sr blackout on 25/10/2006 02:08:01 so how long will it take for sheilds to recharge now? if your armor tanking? 1 day? or few hours or what 1 thing everyone is forgeting... FIGHTERS they better get 50% or more boost!!! every other ship will live longer and able to blow the stuffing out of them... They already die super fast. my fighters bassically instapopped another carrier's fighters The Enemy's Gate is Down
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:24:00 - [27] Wooo , now they have more of a reason to be on the frontlines. _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Fuujin Wooo , now they have more of a reason to be on the frontlines. ya but if the fighters get poped in few sec... then like hmm what will you do or be? standing duck? hey!! hey !! shoot at me !! cause i cant do nothing... besides fit a ridiculous capital remote or 2 that will suck my cap in less then 1 min then im useuless again
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:32:00 - [29] Well there's room for quite a few spare drones in that drone bay. They're not fighters but can still serve a role. _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:41:00 - [30] ^ also wanted to know this _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn

sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:46:00 - [31] there is no way ccp will let the bad carrier bonuses to stand and go live with kali... i just dont think that will happen if it does... i dont know what to say... i mean its so obvious they made the hp changes, and forget this lol... they better make fighter changes too they need 75%+ boost imo every ship now can tank the fighters for a bit, and bs or bc's even cruisers if setup right could tank them easy probably
Secretary	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:49:00 - [32] I'm sorry, requesting that broken features are fixed distracts from the "Here's some new toys with bigger numbers involved" euphoria of a new release in testing. Please report to your nearest ISD mod for termination.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Fuujin ^ also wanted to know this me too :O The Enemy's Gate is Down
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:03:00 - [34] 24th in queue so might know soon if all goes well.... _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:31:00 - [35] Edited by: Fubear on 25/10/2006 08:33:45 I hope this is a typo (500% instead of 50%). All it means is that you need 5x the number of people to take down a Dread in a reasonable space of time. Dreads are hard enough to kill as it is, and almost always travel with massive support fleets covering them. EG: Defending fleets now have to expose themselves to a Dreads support fleet for 10 minutes instead of two to take one down. The best way to break a Dread assault on a POS is to kill the Dreads, since it would be almost impossible to force an engagement and destroy a support before the Dreads are finished and cyno out.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:35:00 - [36] x5 isn't 500%, it's 400%. That's why I didn't consider it a typo. God i'm tired today. Staying up till the early hours looking at changes because I waited 6 hours to log on FTL Max --------------------
Druid R Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:49:00 - [37] 3 rig slots on dreads, grabbed a nag b4 to have a llok, 187k armour b4 skills i seem to remember
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Fubear All it means is that you need 5x the number of people to take down a Dread in a reasonable space of time. Dreads are hard enough to kill as it is, and almost always travel with massive support fleets covering them. You gotta be kidding me! Dreads in siege are patheticly easy to kill. I can be done with less than 10 battleships. They are called CAPITAL SHIPS for a reason. There is a reason THEY CAN'T USE JUMPGATES. Another masterful stroke CCP.
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:56:00 - [39] 150, 200, 300k armor. Sorry, but that is just plain ridiculous. I know if I were a dread/carrier pilot I would be happy - but seriously - that is just too much. whatever. "I just slaughtered 28 people in that game of Battlefield 2 and never died. Man my e-p33n feels huge."
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:14:00 - [40] Originally by: LaCoHa 150, 200, 300k armor. Sorry, but that is just plain ridiculous. I know if I were a dread/carrier pilot I would be happy - but seriously - that is just too much. whatever. no its not too much. whatever. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats

DaMiGe Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:20:00 - [41] a VERY good change, i didnt notice this yet, eventhough i was in my carrier when i logged onto the testserver,LOL ---> My vids <--- latest movie = Lock 'N Load 4
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:25:00 - [42] Originally by: LaCoHa 150, 200, 300k armor. Sorry, but that is just plain ridiculous. I know if I were a dread/carrier pilot I would be happy - but seriously - that is just too much. whatever. sorry but your stupidy is just plain ridiculous, if you can't understand why they needed the hp boost....well i can only hope you never reproduce http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:30:00 - [43] But the Nidhogurogoroo is still sh*t right? We cant have minmatar running around in a decent carrier. --- ---
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:34:00 - [44] Titans take ages to kill all ready, wtf increase their hit points? Quote: "Don't touch the RED but
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Titans take ages to kill all ready, wtf increase their hit points? A titan with all the implants, rigs, in gang etc bonuses will have around about 900k armour hp's with these changes. That may take a while to chew through Max --------------------
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Roxanna Kell Titans take ages to kill all ready, wtf increase their hit points? A titan with all the implants, rigs, in gang etc bonuses will have around about 900k armour hp's with these changes. That may take a while to chew through 900k armor, how much can it rep? Quote: "Don't touch the RED but
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:06:00 - [47] Hey I like more HP. Makes the ship worth the isk. One thing I'd like to know is how is one going to stop 22 man dread fleets walking into your POS after kali hits? Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
FawKa Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:09:00 - [48] Oh yes ! Oh YES !
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Roxanna Kell Titans take ages to kill all ready, wtf increase their hit points? A titan with all the implants, rigs, in gang etc bonuses will have around about 900k armour hp's with these changes. That may take a while to chew through 900k armor, how much can it rep? Exactly the same as now. Well, maybe a bit better with the correct choice of rig. Max --------------------
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:21:00 - [50] When DaMiGe told me about a 500% increase i thought Nah... he means the 25% increase.... but then he linked me to this. And DAMN! HOORAH I'll be solo camping by myself in my Moros now knowing if i get into **** i got time for corpies to get to me!

Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Roxanna Kell Titans take ages to kill all ready, wtf increase their hit points? A titan with all the implants, rigs, in gang etc bonuses will have around about 900k armour hp's with these changes. That may take a while to chew through 900k armor, how much can it rep? Exactly the same as now. Well, maybe a bit better with the correct choice of rig. Dont know for a fact, but I imagine with certian rigs, it should be able to maintain 4-5 capital reps. Just an Average Joe!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:08:00 - [52] I approve. You'll have the same amount of sustainable tank, but will be much less likely to just get munched when called primary. This'll mean it's actually worth fielding carrier/dreads on the battlefield, rather than parking them at POSes. Yes, you'll still be able to kill 'em with a few BS, but it'll take long enough that you've got time to react to it.
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:20:00 - [53] This is very needed in my opinion... the capital ships don't seem very.... capital. Taking down a dev titan in 5minutes with 1 1/2 dread shouldn't be happening. Can we confirm that these changes were indeed intended and not some messup?
Dr Mccoy ISS Cassini	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:40:00 - [54] can anyone check if control towers have more hp or grid or something? curious now because with these changes wouldnt dreads easily take down towers without a scratch, even solo in some cases?
Shumi Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Hey I like more HP. Makes the ship worth the isk. One thing I'd like to know is how is one going to stop 22 man dread fleets walking into your POS after kali hits? Easy, with 22 of your own Dreads. Dread Fleets battling it out FTW
Selak Zorander	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Dr Mccoy can anyone check if control towers have more hp or grid or something? curious now because with these changes wouldnt dreads easily take down towers without a scratch, even solo in some cases? No change to Control tower hit points on test server that i can see. still only 50 mil shields for the caldari large
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:53:00 - [57] i rarely agree with elcoco but yes this was a needed change and good they finally did it Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Shumi Originally by: Kaylana Syi Hey I like more HP. Makes the ship worth the isk. One thing I'd like to know is how is one going to stop 22 man dread fleets walking into your POS after kali hits? Easy, with 22 of your own Dreads. Dread Fleets battling it out FTW Sorry but this is hardly acceptable and is totally skewed towards teh attacker. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Drutort Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:23:00 - [59] Edited by: Drutort on 25/10/2006 20:26:13 carrier rigs... carrier fighter hp? (needs more then 100% IMO) carrier fighters getting more skills or drone mods (skills) effecting them carrier capital remote (cap reduction? if on frontline) carrier bonus fix carrier lock time, and max locked targets (i think should be boosted greatly and max of 10 locks) carrier items getting bonus from basic 3-5% implants carrier items working with gang warfare so thats what i can think of atm I expect these to be addressed before kali1 is released
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:38:00 - [60] Excellent. Yes your supposed to kill support before you can kill dreads. Maby now the pilots will have the chanse of activating their modules before they die ;) I`ve been in battles where my side have lost dreads and I`ve been in battles where my side have killed 10 of the enemy dreads. yes they die to easy. This is very velcome welcome. I asked for 4x back then but seems we got plenty

Zarch AlDain Friends of Everyone	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:05:00 - [61] I don't fly capital ships - and am many months from being able to do so - but I think this is a very good change. Now you might actually want to field a carrier in with the fleet, as if the enemy decide to call it primary then it will take them quite a while to beat it down. Zarch AlDain
Theodwyn	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:31:00 - [62] at least, i think, this is just a bug :) can a dev please state something to this topic?
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:03:00 - [63] Originally by: Tiuwaz i rarely agree with elcoco but yes this was a needed change and good they finally did it Now you realy hurt my feelings So any confirmation (like a dev in local chat or something) that this change wasn't some mistake?
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:38:00 - [64] Edited by: KSUDruid on 26/10/2006 00:40:12 This is by far the best change I've seen thus far in Kali 1. These ships are CAPITAL. Just for those who don't think is a good idea, consider this.. Right now, in RMR, Dreads and carriers are 10-15x the cost of Battleships, yet they've only had 5x the amount of hitpoints, if that sometimes.. motherships top out at maybe 8-10x the hitpoints of battleship, yet they cost <gasp> 100 times what a battleship does? And let's not even mention a titan, with maybe 15x what a battleship has but costs how many multiple billions of isk? This change brings everything in line. If I get a titan, or a mothership stuck, we SHOULD have an epic battle to take it down. I watched a 60 Battleship BoB fleet take down a fully tanked, seige moded Moros one time during a fleet battle in roughly 10 seconds... that should NOT happen, no matter what, ever, not for the kind of money and power these ships are supposed to have. Awesome change CCP, simply brilliant. This one change alone restores alot of faith I have in your ideas of balancing. EDIT: And yes, for those that asked me, the wyvern now has roughly 400,000 shields on the test server with me sitting in it. w00t'n'stuffÖ. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Lt ator Caldari Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:07:00 - [65] Hmm, maybe its now worth to train avatar and sit in for the rest of eve, yarr :D only 80 or so days and few isk's :D
xEntriq	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:15:00 - [66] yay, CCP, now remove the lag and queues to join systems


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