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Attak Trioptimum Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:17:00 - [1] I know, I know. Teir 2 BC's aren't set in stone, nor are they better than HAC's in every respect. But we know what CCP is aiming for with them. HAC's generally are favored as small gang warfare ships, but it seems that the Teir 2 BC's are infringing on this role a bit with their overbearing cruiser-class firepower and the tankability of most of them. That, and with the agility buff some of the speed disadvantages are lessened as well. So, is this going to "kill" the HAC market, or are the differences between the two ship classes big enough to keep prices steady?
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:22:00 - [2] Big enough. Quite frankly, if the the BC's were going to kill the HAC market, they would have done so already. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:27:00 - [3] lowering the demand and consequently the prices a bit? probably 'kill' the HAC market? not a snowball chance's in hell Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:37:00 - [4] dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:38:00 - [5] i dont really see there going to be much change the new BCs are not significantly more power then the old BCs though they have more slots and hardpoints but not a corresponding increase in grid/cpu they are still significant slower then Hacs have much larger sig radii and also only get bonuses off BC levels rather then Cruiser and Hac levels so overall they might be more powerful then the tier 1 BCs and they might narrow the gap slightly between BC and HAC they arent going to be PWN mobiles _____________________________________________________
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Xianthar dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian May wanna check com ship prices --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:45:00 - [7] Well HAC's have quite a few things going for them. They have tank, gank and mobility in a single package. Meanwhile, battlecruisers have tank and gank but they are spread between tier 1 and tier 2 (with exception of the Myrmidon which mysteriously has the Brutix's armor rep bonus) and are far from mobile. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Imode with exception of the Myrmidon which mysteriously has the Brutix's armor rep bonus cough Drake cough cough Brutix outdamages myrmidon - and some battleships cough ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:59:00 - [9] i think the biggest hit to HACs will be the Drake, however HAC will still have their place due to speed and agility.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 05:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker i think the biggest hit to HACs will be the Drake, however HAC will still have their place due to speed and agility. drake has better fire power than the cerb so yea i think the cerb price should drop alot (thank god) and to the other guy on the prices...nighthawk costs me 80mil, cerb costs almost 200mil. -xian
Susa Ou	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:23:00 - [11] Hac prices will drop simply because people will fly Tier 2 BCs more. Easier to train to, quicker to get into, and has a lot more punch and tank then the HAC. To be honest though, the HAC prices have been a tad high for quite some time. The only HAC that has the slightest chance of keeping its prices high is the Cereb and the Ish - the rest will drop like a rock (or I will simply not buy them).
byakuya006	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:45:00 - [12] Okay, maybe stupid question. Do Tier 2 BS have Armor and Shield resistances like HACs? I mean a HAC is super tough in the right hands.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:00:00 - [13] No. Stock Tech I resists. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
king jks	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:22:00 - [14] Edited by: king jks on 29/10/2006 08:24:53 I find it amusing that people talk about the HAC prices like they are supposed to be normal... fact is that HACs have a base price of 17mil so most people that sell vagas and cerbs for 250-300mil are getting a 2000% profit margin. If that isn't price gouged to hell and back I don't know what is (perhaps T2 sniper turrets, cloaks, and T2 cap chargers). I'm looking forward to seeing the prices of HACs drop if/when they do.
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:28:00 - [15] Originally by: king jks Edited by: king jks on 29/10/2006 08:24:53 I find it amusing that people talk about the HAC prices like they are supposed to be normal... fact is that HACs have a base price of 17mil so most people that sell vagas and cerbs for 250-300mil are getting a 2000% profit margin. That's the base mineral price. The cost of the components is much more. But yes, they do make a loooot of profit. Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
Spaced Skunk Yesodic Nomads Corp	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Xianthar dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian Nighthawk - 250M Sleipnir - 185M (gone up 50M in 2 weeks, and still rising) Astarte - 190M (Gone up a lot, still rising) Absolution - 130M (Not gone up, good) The reason I am not training for a command ship anymore tbh it the rediculous t2 market prices. When the next patch comes out, hopefully it will bring the sliepnir down to around 120-30M, which I will pay, Muninn is going up (130M now), this will go down, simply because the hurricane will be better for artillery, while the muninn will do less damage it still gets more tracking and range. Vagabond still keeps its nice role, the 80%+ of stabbed up vagabond pilots will weep, but its still fast, agile and damaging. Vagas are too expensive these days and I will not be paying for another in the event I lose mine, desipe all the training time I used. The new battlecruisers are good, but HACs are still very tanked and do a lot of dps, while remaining a cruiser, so I cannot see them making HACs go really down in price.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Xianthar dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian Recons are good for PvP. HACs are good for PvE too. Command ships are often better, but then they're also another month or two of training time.
Shin Jai	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:07:00 - [18] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Xianthar dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian Recons are good for PvP. HACs are good for PvE too. Command ships are often better, but then they're also another month or two of training time. With recent changes to Command Ships & The new Battlecruisers.. I think there will be alot of people trainin battlecruiser 5.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Shin Jai Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Xianthar dun know why the hac market is still how it is. imo recons are better ships for the same size and command ships own hacs yet are still cheaper ? -xian Recons are good for PvP. HACs are good for PvE too. Command ships are often better, but then they're also another month or two of training time. With recent changes to Command Ships & The new Battlecruisers.. I think there will be alot of people trainin battlecruiser 5. I know I will. Drake's been exactly what I've been wanting for ages. (Actually, it's better than I was hoping for). OK, so it's not a HAC, but it's a very cost effective PvP ship. IMO caldari are somewhat lacking in the solo PvP category, it's only really at the BS end that they get there, but a Drake looks like a good option to me.
Shin Jai	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:28:00 - [20] The Drake still won't be a solo ship.. Caldari just dont have any if many solo ships.
Vad3r	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:38:00 - [21] All i can say is rofl to the people who say caldari dont have a good solo ships, caracal with eccm in mids can pwn most cruisers, my passive tanked moa has 10k shield with good resists and then u add blasters, at frigate they got merlin and kestrel both dam fine solo and at bc ferox is teh ****znit and if u can afford a cerberus.. and then raven is awesome too, in fact caldari are probably joint top with gallente for solo atm and all u need is missile and engineering skills, if u cant fly caldari solo ur a nublar
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:43:00 - [22] I expect many ppl will discover Nighthawk as a nice missioning platform after the ROF chainge.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Glarion Garnier I expect many ppl will discover Nighthawk as a nice missioning platform after the ROF chainge. Not better or cheaper than a Drake.
m0jo Fellow Space Traveller Association	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:17:00 - [24] Ok let me point it out to you why HAC's are still uber expensive over the rest of t2 bc, recon etc. The majority of HAC bpo's are owned by alliances who make them soley for their alliance which cuts off supply by a high degree. With the influx of newer players that hug empire the release of latter recon and cmd ship bpo's got away from the ebil alliance monkeys. They are now on the market at competitive pricing. Just take a look in most major hubs of how many HACs vs recons vs cmd ships that are on the market. The stock of HACs is very very low. So in short its all about supply and demand.
Skid Pants	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:28:00 - [25] I'm sure there will be a fall in the hac prices because the new BC's, are damn sexy. Plus with the agility boost, for anyone that hasn't been on the test server, bc's now feel more like 'heavy cruisers' rather than a fat bs like they did before. Some of the hacs which fit into a role, for example the vagabond, will remain relatively expensive im sure. But for slightly more sub-par hacs, munin for example, im already looking at mine in the hanger and thinking i'm just not going to fly you. The new bc's do pack a damn powerful punch. AC hurricane would eat a vagabond and munin for breakfast
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:40:00 - [26] Invention... it might not kill HAC market, but we will probably see more hacs in pvp again as people will probably try to invent stuff for self/corp, not for market unless in case of oversupply. Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:50:00 - [27] Zealot does more damage then the Harbinger. Sacrilege tanks better then the Harbinger. No I think HACs are fine. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Scoundrelus Zealot does more damage then the Harbinger. Sacrilege tanks better then the Harbinger. No I think HACs are fine. harbinger does more dmg then zealot
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker i think the biggest hit to HACs will be the Drake, however HAC will still have their place due to speed and agility. drake has better fire power than the cerb so yea i think the cerb price should drop alot (thank god) and to the other guy on the prices...nighthawk costs me 80mil, cerb costs almost 200mil. -xian Might want to check your facts.... Cerb: 6x Launcher Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level So at Cruiser 5, HAC 5 the Cerb gets a 50% bonus to damage with kinetic missiles and a 25% bonus to damage with regular missiles: 6x 1.5 = 9 launcher equiv Cerb also gets a 100% bonus to range on missiles making it reach out and touch to over 200km at best levels. Now look at the Drake: 5% bonus to resists & 5% bonus to missile rof for Assault, heavy and heavy assault launchers. So at max BC level the Drake gets a 25% bonus to dmg with missiles 7 x 1.25 = 8.75 (less firepower than Cerb w/o a railgun in slot 8) No range bonus so it's locked to ranges of around 125km or so. It's a better tank but the cerb both out-damages (a bit) it and out-ranges it (a lot). Not to mention the much higher speed/maneuverability. No... Cerb is still the superior ship, as it should be.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker i think the biggest hit to HACs will be the Drake, however HAC will still have their place due to speed and agility. drake has better fire power than the cerb so yea i think the cerb price should drop alot (thank god) and to the other guy on the prices...nighthawk costs me 80mil, cerb costs almost 200mil. -xian Might want to check your facts.... Cerb: 6x Launcher Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level So at Cruiser 5, HAC 5 the Cerb gets a 50% bonus to damage with kinetic missiles and a 25% bonus to damage with regular missiles: 6x 1.5 = 9 launcher equiv Cerb also gets a 100% bonus to range on missiles making it reach out and touch to over 200km at best levels. Now look at the Drake: 5% bonus to resists & 5% bonus to missile rof for Assault, heavy and heavy assault launchers. So at max BC level the Drake gets a 25% bonus to dmg with missiles 7 x 1.25 = 8.75 (less firepower than Cerb w/o a railgun in slot 8) No range bonus so it's locked to ranges of around 125km or so. It's a better tank but the cerb both out-damages (a bit) it and out-ranges it (a lot). Not to mention the much higher speed/maneuverability. No... Cerb is still the superior ship, as it should be. bar the fact that cerb has 5 launchers, not 6

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