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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:15:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You're neglecting the fact that you had bob assist by camping CELES for two days straight while you deployed the outpost.
EDIT: *retracted statements based on incorrect information*
Dark jumped an embattled, sinking ship and hastened its demise.
This is not correct, I timed assembling the outpost with your greater half outbreak leaving you to npc in core.
There was no BOB camp in Core at the time of deployment 0600 hrs and there was no celes attempt to stop us putting it up.
Kind regards,
Which date, specifically? Bob only camped us with any vigor for a few days. Before they did so, no outpost. After they did so, outpost. As soon as the outpost was up, bob left. There's no coincidence there.
I have a feeling you have no clue? Who are you anyway.
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LordChaos
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:18:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Proxay
Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi.
hope you can keep it :)
 The Master Of Chaos |

Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:20:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Joe Bloggers on 26/10/2006 10:20:23
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth It'll be like that for a minimum of 4 more days, until someone's pos can claim sovereignty. You'll see the station go back and forth.
Congrats though :)
Does that mean anyone who wants a outpost for the minute can just head there and shoot it and claim that they took a outpost? At least until the pos claims soverenity 4 days from now?
Man, I wonder what would happen if a NPC corp shot the station to claim it.... Just an Average Joe! |

Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:27:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Joe Bloggers Edited by: Joe Bloggers on 26/10/2006 10:20:23
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth It'll be like that for a minimum of 4 more days, until someone's pos can claim sovereignty. You'll see the station go back and forth.
Congrats though :)
Does that mean anyone who wants a outpost for the minute can just head there and shoot it and claim that they took a outpost? At least until the pos claims soverenity 4 days from now?
Man, I wonder what would happen if a NPC corp shot the station to claim it....
That is exactly correct. I believe its the final blow on the outpost that claims it - some noob in Republic University very well could claim the outpost if he gets a shot in with his civ autocannon at the right time :)
Who am I? Just a grunt - front line for CELES since 2003.
As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:42:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened.
Im not contesting your Celes membership prowess. Im simply stating that when I built the outpost celes were neither a problem nor were they camped in core by bob. They were simply not there at all.
Im not willing to agrue with a grunt (your words). My reputation in game and on this forum will tell you I do not entertain myself with spin, I will simply reply to posts to clarify FACT.
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Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:44:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened.
Im not contesting your Celes membership prowess. Im simply stating that when I built the outpost celes were neither a problem nor were they camped in core by bob. They were simply not there at all.
Im not willing to agrue with a grunt (your words). My reputation in game and on this forum will tell you I do not entertain myself with spin, I will simply reply to posts to clarify FACT.
So, then clarify my question. When, precisely, did you put up the outpost? Even just a date will be sufficient. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:50:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Riddari
Of course that is not something that BOB FORUM SQUAD OMGBBQ.likes to hear so they invent incidents (honest, I saw it, he really did have bookmarks in his can)
Let me see if I understand this. You say bob invented the incident and then in the very next sentance you admit to seeing the incident for yourself? Well at least ASCN would never lower itself to the use of propaganda and untruthfull spin.
Brilliant. 10/10
Originally by: Riddari its just like recording teamspeak, screenshooting forums, giving fake info on teamspeak and the other BOBtics).
Oh but it most certainly is not. See my previous post for my "mapquest experiment". This clearly shows how the creation of artificial lag is outside game mechanics.
Espionage, Sabotage, and Psycological warfare are as old as warfare itself. The thing about these tactics is they are REAL. They are something that actually happen in most conflicts. Military organisations really do intercept communications (just like TS and forum spys), attempt to relay false information (like the oh so hilarious fake "warp to" instructions given on your TS, etc.
The word exploit is being used far too losely and selectivly by your alliance in an attempt by your leadership to explain to its members why they lose every single fleet battle. Your leadership does this because they are scared to death that members of your alliance might realize that the reason they are losing is because they dont work well as a group together in real combat situations. Dont get me wrong, im sure as a group you guys are very good together in many aspects of the game. You just happen to come up short in one area, PVP. Unfortunatly that may be the single most important requirement in holding 0.0 space.
You come up short in the military leadership dept. Sheer numbers does not cover that up. Numbers can make it easier but there is more alot more to warfare than number of troops, just ask Julius Caesar. ASCN leadership is fully aware that if their membership figures out the extent of your military leadership deficency half your members would leave.
In order to prevent a mass exodus of pvp pilots from ASCN your leadership needs to come up with stories for why after this long you still can not manage to hold things together in a simple fleet battle. That is why we hear so much from you guys about how we use hax, exploits, etc in order to win.
Saying "bob 'sploits" is a clear, simple message that everyone in your alliance even those who lack intelegence or members who are not paying close attention can understand. Im not saying ASCN members are stupid. im saying when you get a group of 5000 people together there are always some morons. those morons always seem to be very vocal in mob mentality situations(ex- me! woot!). A short simple explination is the basic element of the propaganda ASCN feeds its members.
With out the "bob hax" explination for why you lose every fleet battle against us your membership just might start to think that militarily ASCN is just Xetic with higher moral.
Next time you use the word exploit think about what that means. Are you really refering to something that could not happen in real galactic warfare? If you are than call a spade a spade. Or could that tactic be used in a real situation even if the tactic is unusual (like blocking a docking bay)? If so STFU! No one wants to hear you cry about nothing. The first step to success is admitting your failures so you can correct them.
Carisma and confidence isnt the end all of leadership. Its nice that ASCN leadership can say things that sound believable to their members, its good to be able to rally people. However those things are NOT the only aspects of leadership you need to be sucessful. CLS/EDF/ETC have been fighting together for years. If cyvok and co havent put together a quality military by now, its not going to happen. Sorry Xetic.
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:07:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number.
I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers....
Im thinking you talk too much?
Am I wrong?
What about you Mitch, you talk to much? you little victim in distress 
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |

Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:11:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number.
I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers....
Im thinking you talk too much?
Am I wrong?
What about you Mitch, you talk to much? you little victim in distress 
I dont post on forums enough to be accused of that. I am not even a little bit distressed sextus, why would you think that?
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:13:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
For all I know it is within game mechanics. As most things it is probably situational. One thing I DO know is that, if it was within game mechanics it was cheap. Cheap tactics at a MINIMUM - at maximum an exploit of game mechanics (load more crap on screen == more lag - out of game effect per your own explanation) were expressed there. The fact that the leadership of BoB had to stoop so low sends some clear messages... for those with eyes or ears... or a heartbeat.
Sorry but I dont see the exploit still. Creative or unorthodox techniques does not = exploit. Those cans were placed outside the station for the specific purpose of bumping your ship. That may be something you arent used to, but that doesnt make it a cheap tactic or an exploit. Those cans are intended to be a physical barricade in so you wouldnt excape. hat was their intended purpose. That is well inside game mechanics and not in the slightest bit a cheap tactic let alone an exploit. You not enjoying something as unusual as it might be does not make it cheap. That is in no way more cheap than gurilla warfare which was once thought to be cheap for similar reasons.
Flying a t1 frig full of BM's into a pos where a fleet battle is taking place has one purpose and one purpose only. To make the server (which is external to the eve galaxy) generate lag. Since this sole purpose of this action is designed to manipulate forces that do not exist(in an rp sense) it is considered OUTSIDE game mechanics.
Barricades are designed to manipulate forces INSIDE they game with objects that exist in eve. It is very much a different thing. If a byproduct of the situation is unintentional lag that is not the fault of bob members that placed those cans. Forming a fleet causes lag. Do you think forming a fleet is exploiting?
I do understand why you are having problems seeing the difference. The difference is intent to some extent which you probably find subjective. I do not find it subjective at all. There is one reason and one reason only to fly a t1 frig full of bms into a pos. There is also a clear reason of why people would place those cans infront of a station hangerbay. To bumb your ship out of line so they can kill you. While that tactic does use out of the box thinking it is in fact not exploting nor is it metagaming. It is simply creativity.
understand?
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:22:00 -
[191]
Ok, found your post about the outpost, Mitch. It was made on the 17th of September - if that is after your outpost went up, bob were definitely in the area - lots of our members lost ships over the course of 5 days spanning September 12th through the 17th, most of which were killed by bob in core. These were the days we were most heavily camped.
Incidentally, during that time frame 9-12-06 00:00 through 9-17-06 23:59, we were killed 34 times in various ships. We killed a variety of bob and lapdogs - 176 in total - during that same timeframe. The days we were camped the heaviest by bob - the 14th and the 15th - we had 18 kills for 22 losses (OW!) As of the 18th, bob is no longer camping us senseless, but still maintaining a presence in core.
So, tell me again that Bob weren't in core camping us senseless in the timeframe in which your outpost went up? ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:29:00 -
[192]
Originally by: LordChaos
Originally by: Proxay
Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi.
hope you can keep it :)

Plz more bitterness about the staion u couldnt keep for even 1 day , this makes me even more happy , more   "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:33:00 -
[193]
who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye.
Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail.
d solo.
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LordChaos
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:36:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: LordChaos
Originally by: Proxay
Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi.
hope you can keep it :)

Plz more bitterness about the staion u couldnt keep for even 1 day , this makes me even more happy , more  
who ever said we wanted to keep it?
we just dont want them to have it :)
and sorry to disappoint we do have lives and cant camp it for 23/7
let them take it and we take it and they take it , until sov is up and they cant take it back.
OR
BoB comes to help and that would make us all very happy :)
Yaz its a game after all :)
The Master Of Chaos |

Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:04:00 -
[195]
Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye.
Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail.
d solo.
deep breaths darth. Its all gonna be alright. 
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:08:00 -
[196]
Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye.
Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail.
d solo.
awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin.
So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably.
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Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:10:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye.
Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail.
d solo.
awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin.
So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably.
Just because you're the current target doesn't mean you're the endgame. Our goals reach past lapdogs and in to the belly of the beast. You are a means to an end and nothing more. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:10:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye.
Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail.
d solo.
awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin.
So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably.
In what way are we failing?
Celes/Toxin vs BOB |

Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:11:00 -
[199]
3 months, we aint dead.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:25:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Proxay 3 months, we aint dead.
You are alive we know but that doesn't mean we are failing. With 4000+ kills during our campaign I can't see how it is a failure for us. Even your own killboard shows what we have achieved when 15 of our pilots are ranked in the top 25 pvpers.
You are not dead but you are struggling.
Celes/Toxin vs BOB |

Auman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 12:51:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ok, found your post about the outpost, Mitch. It was made on the 17th of September - if that is after your outpost went up, bob were definitely in the area - lots of our members lost ships over the course of 5 days spanning September 12th through the 17th, most of which were killed by bob in core. These were the days we were most heavily camped.
Incidentally, during that time frame 9-12-06 00:00 through 9-17-06 23:59, we were killed 34 times in various ships. We killed a variety of bob and lapdogs - 176 in total - during that same timeframe. The days we were camped the heaviest by bob - the 14th and the 15th - we had 18 kills for 22 losses (OW!) As of the 18th, bob is no longer camping us senseless, but still maintaining a presence in core.
So, tell me again that Bob weren't in core camping us senseless in the timeframe in which your outpost went up?
BoB as an alliance was not deployed to camp you in the core to prevent you interfering with the Xelas outpost.
BNC was not deployed to Fountain to stop you interfering with the Xelas outpost.
BNC as part of BoB was deployed to Fountain to fight you guys as we really had nothing else to do. If you check your kill and loss mails you will see they almost entirely comprise BNC pilots.
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Orc A
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 13:54:00 -
[202]
Heya Mitch. I really dont mean to sound like a *****, but in reffrence to our last (quiet a while back) convo ingame, i gotta say this:
"I mofoking told u so".
Originally by: End Yourself
hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:16:00 -
[203]
Originally by: pershphanie
Sorry but I dont see the exploit still. Creative or unorthodox techniques does not = exploit. Those cans were placed outside the station for the specific purpose of bumping your ship. That may be something you arent used to, but that doesnt make it a cheap tactic or an exploit. Those cans are intended to be a physical barricade in so you wouldnt excape. hat was their intended purpose. That is well inside game mechanics and not in the slightest bit a cheap tactic let alone an exploit. You not enjoying something as unusual as it might be does not make it cheap. That is in no way more cheap than gurilla warfare which was once thought to be cheap for similar reasons.
Flying a t1 frig full of BM's into a pos where a fleet battle is taking place has one purpose and one purpose only. To make the server (which is external to the eve galaxy) generate lag. Since this sole purpose of this action is designed to manipulate forces that do not exist(in an rp sense) it is considered OUTSIDE game mechanics.
Barricades are designed to manipulate forces INSIDE they game with objects that exist in eve. It is very much a different thing. If a byproduct of the situation is unintentional lag that is not the fault of bob members that placed those cans. Forming a fleet causes lag. Do you think forming a fleet is exploiting?
I do understand why you are having problems seeing the difference. The difference is intent to some extent which you probably find subjective. I do not find it subjective at all. There is one reason and one reason only to fly a t1 frig full of bms into a pos. There is also a clear reason of why people would place those cans infront of a station hangerbay. To bumb your ship out of line so they can kill you. While that tactic does use out of the box thinking it is in fact not exploting nor is it metagaming. It is simply creativity.
understand?
BS...you know what that many cans do to a grid, who gives a **** about the intention, we all know what the side effect is.
It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect. When you put up cans all over the grid, its going to lag the grid for anyway warping in.
I understand that it has a nice side effect of bumping ships, but if it lags the grid...its cheap. If CCP decides they dont want to allow this cheap tactic its an exploit. That is a dev decision on this one, not a player decision.
Anyone here play L2. Anyone remember when peeps started dropping all their money on the ground outside castle gates to lag the attacker. Super cheap tactic. Devs said it was okay, so not an exploit. Most people /cancel (not the only reason most of us quit, but it was a big reason for alot of folks).
CCP call on this one. But if they want to let lag become a an valid tactic...why bother playing.
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UGWidowmaker
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:33:00 -
[204]
i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog...
lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named
"ASCN DIED"
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Snake7474
Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:37:00 -
[205]
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Orc A
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:38:00 -
[206]
Dropping cans at undock points / bubble warpin points etc has existed since i started playing the game, for ship bumping purposes. thats some 2 + years. I belive many people like yourself already petitioned this 5000 times if not more, and yet, the tactic still stands for so long - unnerfed, and even ignored by the GM's.
Conclusion:
Legit.
Originally by: End Yourself
hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
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D75485
Underworld Zombies
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:40:00 -
[207]
your thinking of .5. not Xelas
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Empress Xandra
Amarr Zer0 ToLeRaNcE
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:43:00 -
[208]
Originally by: UGWidowmaker i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog...
lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named
"ASCN DIED"
even the readers know your bob's lapdogs
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:48:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Proxay on 26/10/2006 14:49:31
Originally by: Empress Xandra
Originally by: UGWidowmaker i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog...
lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named
"ASCN DIED"
even the readers know your bob's lapdogs
Oh, I'm sure you're well educated on Xelas, would you care to inform me, and my alliance how we are bob's lapdogs...
a) They dont ask for isk b) They dont ask for ships c) They dont ask for favours d) They only treat us with the utmost regard and friendship, and same unto the Horde.
So, who are you, and where are you getting this distorted idea on the situation?
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Assens Letta
The Huns THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:51:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth CLS != CELES. CLS is Celestial Horizon corp - no relation whatsoever to CELES Celestial Apocalypse
sry m8, u guys all look alike to me, speacialy when ASCN came running to help Celes do something they could not do by themselves... conquer an Outpost... is still still yours (even with ASCN help) ?
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You can however enlighten the broader EvE community by explaining precisely WHY you guys left Xelas :) I already know the answers, but the greater community is probably interested, now that you've tried to shut down discussion of it.
shall we say 170 years old and thank u ? 
as for Xendie... 
u seem too much inclined to say someones is a noob, well tbh i dont care what u think, for someone who is as badly missinformed as u are u seem eager to call names instead of talking truth, i claimed that it can happen, u mention 2 name... what does that prove ? that some ppl have RL issues that need to be resolved (that was OOC in case u didnt noticed)?
Originally by: Xendie low really low Xelas and HORDE.
spin has u want m8
fact: ASCN came running to help Celes and their pack dogs take XELAS outpost
fact: depite ASCN and Celes, XELAS has reclaimed it
yes there will be fight over it, yes ppl have RL, yes we are still here and fighting
yes we are still BoB and XELAS allies depite what u could wish
u claim that multiple ships incurred in lame prectices, back that up, and the pilots doing that as an exploit will be severely punished.
if u guys cannot conceive what is a RL emergency then u are beyhond any possible help.
as for all doomsayers out there: we are still here and fighting arent we ? 
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