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Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:31:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=331220&page=2#47 is this the end of Xelas? according to some very accurate sources xelas didnt even attempt to defend the stationexcept for a few tech1 frigates and cruisers. HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:31:00 - [2] no Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:37:00 - [3] ... mmm Xendie, your link leads to the map thread... and I can't for the life of me find anything relevant to Xelas there? /emote goes to check the thread for a third time...
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:37:00 - [4] Just because Alliances or Corps lose stations, doesn't mean they are going to die and never be seen again. It just means they lost a station and the space that belonged to it. Alliances and Corps die/fall apart when it's members leave the game or join other corps, not when they lose a station. BTW, good job CELES, ASCN and all the others that helped take the station.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Nez Perces ... mmm Xendie, your link leads to the map thread... and I can't for the life of me find anything relevant to Xelas there? /emote goes to check the thread for a third time... Right at the bottom
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Right at the bottom I need new glasses..
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:40:00 - [7] Indeed the PNQY station has fallen to ASCN, Celes, and allies. However likey not the end of Xelas, even if they are in empire they still exist :) Fountian can be considered contested space i would agree. Overall, im not that bothered, just had a lot of fun going "pew pew pew", I hope that continues -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:48:00 - [8] even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported to have been downed by the combined strikeforce in fountain. so far Zorba Leutius from the huns and Major Stereotypd from Mass Murder Aggregate have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:55:00 - [9] omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries.
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:56:00 - [10] There is no lag .. It's just Eve at a different speed
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Kryztal The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. So you are going to save them ... again ?
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:59:00 - [12] Its too early to say its the end of xelas imo. We have won the battles but now the war is fully underway Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Yumi Katanawe Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Yumi Katanawe on 25/10/2006 17:01:26 nvm...
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:01:00 - [14] if they do try and bail Xelas out....again then i suppose that their southern front will ease up abit. and when bob goes back south their precious pets Xelas will be in help again. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:01:00 - [15] Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/10/2006 17:05:12 Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. Why am I not suprised that Bob would try to spin this? But to answer the OP's question, I don't know about the end of Xelas, I just know its the end of them owning that station. I suppose Xelas fate really lies in Celes's hands at this point.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:03:00 - [16] Not the end of Xelas for sure, but another annoying issue to BOB deal with. This time with Insurgency in the midle. This is going to be interesting.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:04:00 - [17] Just out of curiousity... what was the ratio of Celes:ASCN forces that worked together to gain control of the outpost? Was this mainly a Celes op, or mainly an ASCN op.. or both in equal measure?
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:06:00 - [18] should be interesting to see how this plays out with ascn and celes hitting BoB's northern border now In rust we trust!!!
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. You'll need a Xelas to hand it back to, but then again Xelas can "evolve" again and she'll be right -----------------------------------------------
DrSIn Amarr In The Face Productions	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:08:00 - [20] Edited by: DrSIn on 25/10/2006 17:11:26 Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. I have to say go ascn nice one. However bob swings this its still bobs space no matter who u rent it to. Edit:on topic nah prob not the end of XS
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Nez Perces Just out of curiousity... what was the ratio of Celes:ASCN forces that worked together to gain control of the outpost? Was this mainly a Celes op, or mainly an ASCN op.. or both in equal measure? Celes had the system locked down alredy when we brought in the cap ships. ASCN had 0 battlships for the whole op, all ascendant ships were either capital or support. I gotta be honest - there was a moment of unrest when we tried warping our battleships into our own bubbles but when we realised there were no battleships to waste we thought we'd go and shoot poses instead. Sorry if we disappointed everyone . - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Nez Perces Just out of curiousity... what was the ratio of Celes:ASCN forces that worked together to gain control of the outpost? Was this mainly a Celes op, or mainly an ASCN op.. or both in equal measure? Celest was shooting up all Xelas and HORDE that was in system and that came to the system and had taken down the station when a GM said that it was illegal as they had POS's up but no soverenity. so the POS's had to come down. Xelas had 4 large POS in system and ASCN was nice enough to lend their hand to poke a finger in bob's eye and supply a fleet of dreads to come and put them into reinforced fast together with the Celest dreads. Celest had secured the system completely 2 hours before any dreads came into system. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Celes had the system locked down alredy when we brought in the cap ships. ASCN had 0 battlships for the whole op, all ascendant ships were either capital or support. Cool.. so ASCN provided some heavy firepower.. how many capitals was that? I'll understand if the information is too sensitive to divulge.
Captain Irregardless Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Xendie [url] HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported ... so far Zorba Leutius from the huns ... have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. Confirmed? As in you have some sort of proof? Feel free to provide some pointers. I'd be interested in seeing it, becuase ... ahem ... I'd be more than a little surprised if your wild accusations amount to anything more than slander. Here's an idea...Any chance you want to check your facts before you post? I just hate to see a) an upstanding citizen and; b) an honourable alliance; sullied by anyone slinging such baseless charges. However, wild unfounded accusations are your right, and if nothing else, we gallenteans respect that.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Captain Irregardless Originally by: Xendie [url] HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported ... so far Zorba Leutius from the huns ... have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. Confirmed? As in you have some sort of proof? Feel free to provide some pointers. I'd be interested in seeing it, becuase ... ahem ... I'd be more than a little surprised if your wild accusations amount to anything more than slander. Here's an idea...Any chance you want to check your facts before you post? I just hate to see a) an upstanding citizen and; b) an honourable alliance; sullied by anyone slinging such baseless charges. However, wild unfounded accusations are your right, and if nothing else, we gallenteans respect that. look for those names on the Celest killboards and check the killmails. evidence enough. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Celes had the system locked down alredy when we brought in the cap ships. ASCN had 0 battlships for the whole op, all ascendant ships were either capital or support. Cool.. so ASCN provided some heavy firepower.. how many capitals was that? I'll understand if the information is too sensitive to divulge. as far as i know they went down faster then al bundy could get his hand inside his pants. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Celes had the system locked down alredy when we brought in the cap ships. ASCN had 0 battlships for the whole op, all ascendant ships were either capital or support. Cool.. so ASCN provided some heavy firepower.. how many capitals was that? I'll understand if the information is too sensitive to divulge. Enough to take down pos's
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:22:00 - [28] The situation is pretty much this: We took Xelas outpost and besides the fact that we dominated fountain so far, now we also outnumber them. Xelas is pretty much alive but paralyzed as we control key systems and logistics. Xelas can't play EvE in fountain atm so their only hope is BoB, so until BoB make a move is gonna be boring around here. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported to have been downed by the combined strikeforce in fountain. so far Zorba Leutius from the huns and Major Stereotypd from Mass Murder Aggregate have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. We've seen similar stuff on ASCN loss-mails, too, I wonder how it must feel to fly with such lamers, Xendie, could you ask your boys in CELES that and pass it on to us, please. Thanks.
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Captain Irregardless Originally by: Xendie [url] HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported ... so far Zorba Leutius from the huns ... have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. Confirmed? As in you have some sort of proof? Feel free to provide some pointers. I'd be interested in seeing it, becuase ... ahem ... I'd be more than a little surprised if your wild accusations amount to anything more than slander. Here's an idea...Any chance you want to check your facts before you post? I just hate to see a) an upstanding citizen and; b) an honourable alliance; sullied by anyone slinging such baseless charges. However, wild unfounded accusations are your right, and if nothing else, we gallenteans respect that. Xendie = darth solo's F-E alt, he is all seeing and all knowing Havocide - DirtyHarry
Tricit Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Tricit on 25/10/2006 17:25:33 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Celes had the system locked down alredy when we brought in the cap ships. ASCN had 0 battlships for the whole op, all ascendant ships were either capital or support. Cool.. so ASCN provided some heavy firepower.. how many capitals was that? I'll understand if the information is too sensitive to divulge. I will just say this. When I was there flying in my pod (D'OH, their suicide Wyvren got me! I was right next to it -.-) a friend told me to come and look at the ASCN fleet. I went there at 100km away, and I saw so many capital ships... I was astonished. Even if BoB came in with 150 Battleships, it wouldn't make any difference if they were in frigates... they'd all fry instantly from the amount of insane firepower I saw them bring. I don't want to give away what I saw, but if BoB wants to keep Fountain, at this point, they're going to have to give away Period Basis.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Sextus Licinius The situation is pretty much this: We took Xelas outpost and besides the fact that we dominated fountain so far, now we also outnumber them. Xelas is pretty much alive but paralyzed as we control key systems and logistics. Xelas can't play EvE in fountain atm so their only hope is BoB, so until BoB make a move is gonna be boring around here. We'll see you soon.
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:24:00 - [33] Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/10/2006 17:25:27 Originally by: DeadDuck How was the lag ? and how many pilots were in the system ? Lag was pretty much minimal (which was nice), about 120 in system. No real engagements that would cause a lot of lag tbh.
Brielle Amarr Eaton Rifles	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. Quote: Are you saying that Fountain isnt BoB space? They "bypassed BoBs systems" to take this outpost. ASCN take an outpost in Fountain and thats fine, its not a problem and Xelas are going to deal with it? Are you an offical BOB spokesperson because, frankly, thats an astonishing post. Brielle
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:25:00 - [35] Quote: Gungankllr > UgWidowmaker, remember when you guys were smacking me in local the day before yesterday about not being with my alliance members? Gungankllr > I felt sad so I brought them up here UGWidowmaker > i dont smack. Leading to: Quote: [ 2006.10.25 12:57:47 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Scourge Heavy Missile hits Yoshimi Outpost, doing 257.8 damage. Leading to: Quote: 2006.10.25 15:00:09 Notify The station Yoshimi Outpost has been captured by eXceed Inc. corporation! Anyhow, I highly doubt an end to Xelas. They have some good bubbas spread across their corps, I don't doubt they will bounce back, either somewhere else or once this war is over. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Tricit I went there at 100km away, and I saw so many capital ships... I was astonished. .. thankyou for your input, but you do sound like a relatively new player, possibly easily impressed by a largish fleet. I guess both Celes and ASCN are reticent in answering the question of how many ASCN capitals were on the field. I assume Xelas won't be as reticent... Xelas, how many ASCN capitals were brought to bear on the outpost system?
Tricit Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Tricit I went there at 100km away, and I saw so many capital ships... I was astonished. .. thankyou for your input, but you do sound like a relatively new player, possibly easily impressed by a largish fleet. I guess both Celes and ASCN are reticent in answering the question of how many ASCN capitals were on the field. I assume Xelas won't be as reticent... Xelas, how many ASCN capitals were brought to bear on the outpost system? You should stop trying to get information you have no liberty to before the war is over.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Tricit I went there at 100km away, and I saw so many capital ships... I was astonished. .. thankyou for your input, but you do sound like a relatively new player, possibly easily impressed by a largish fleet. I guess both Celes and ASCN are reticent in answering the question of how many ASCN capitals were on the field. I assume Xelas won't be as reticent... Xelas, how many ASCN capitals were brought to bear on the outpost system? Nez, since we've got some history, I'll tell you. The answer is 42. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Nez Perces Just out of curiousity... what was the ratio of Celes:ASCN forces that worked together to gain control of the outpost? Was this mainly a Celes op, or mainly an ASCN op.. or both in equal measure? It started out as a Celes OP when we came to PNQY and won a fleetbattle against the defenders(for details view our KB on the date 24-25th). We kept on killing and then moved on to take the station. GM came in and stopped us because Xelas had POS'es up but Sovernity was bugged. Abit annoyed about this celes locked down the system until ASCN came with the captial ships. At our peak I think celes had 40+ in gang in PNQY. Can't tell how many ASCN had but it was alot of captial ships that is for sure. Credit to ASCN for the fast deployement. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Gungankllr The answer is 42. That is a substantial logistical achievement then... fair play to ASCN.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:37:00 - [41] Originally by: DB Preacher Hi Malken. dbp Hi DB Preacher. so when will i see you in that pink latex dress i sent you? dont you love it? Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DB Preacher Hi Malken. dbp Hi DB Preacher. so when will i see you in that pink latex dress i sent you? dont you love it? Yeah, it's ultimately more interesting than you cross-posting to a thread that is already under discussion elsewhere. Guess you must have been bored again. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:43:00 - [43] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DB Preacher Hi Malken. dbp Hi DB Preacher. so when will i see you in that pink latex dress i sent you? dont you love it? Yeah, it's ultimately more interesting than you cross-posting to a thread that is already under discussion elsewhere. Guess you must have been bored again. dbp this thread Posted - 2006.10.25 16:31:00 cyvok's thread Posted - 2006.10.25 17:27:00 if you are referring to the map thread i assume you know that these kinds of discussions arent allowed in that thread so your point is wasted. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:45:00 - [44] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DB Preacher Hi Malken. dbp Hi DB Preacher. so when will i see you in that pink latex dress i sent you? dont you love it? Yeah, it's ultimately more interesting than you cross-posting to a thread that is already under discussion elsewhere. Guess you must have been bored again. dbp db is *****d
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:48:00 - [45] Originally by: heidrun db is ***d he is just depressed that their pendulum dont work properly, it keeps swinging back into their faces. Quote:** Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Gungankllr The answer is 42. That is a substantial logistical achievement then... fair play to ASCN. I don't think Nez got the joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life%2C_the_Universe%2C_and_Everything Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: heidrun db is *****d he is just depressed that their pendulum dont work properly, it keeps swinging back into their faces. lmao nice image "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Gungankllr I don't think Nez got the joke. I guess I'm not a 5 year old.. so how many Capitals did ASCN bring to take the Xelas outpost? ASCN has made a big song and dance about this event... making a post on the map thread, and Cyvok with his "spin this" topic.... But actually we have no idea how much of this is down to ASCN at all. We know ASCN brought some support.. but we don¦t know what else. You could have brought 5 capitals only, in which case ASCN¦s cheast beating would look awfully hollow. So I think you might want to answer the question now or we can get Xelas to answer it. Either way is fine as far as I am concerned.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:59:00 - [49] Nez, ASCN is not going to give you that information. You should know better then to even ask. It would be tantamount to the following discussion: ASCN: "Our E Peen is this big and we're setting it out on a table." BOB: "Thanks for telling us that" <reaching under table for a meat cleaver>
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Gungankllr I don't think Nez got the joke. I guess I'm not a 5 year old.. so how many Capitals did ASCN bring to take the Xelas outpost? ASCN has made a big song and dance about this event... making a post on the map thread, and Cyvok with his "spin this" topic.... But actually we have no idea how much of this is down to ASCN at all. We know ASCN brought some support.. but we don¦t know what else. You could have brought 5 capitals only, in which case ASCN¦s cheast beating would look awfully hollow. So I think you might want to answer the question now or we can get Xelas to answer it. Either way is fine as far as I am concerned. it is not hollow chestpounding on behalf of ASCN, they moved that huge capital fleet many jumps very fast and stood for the majority of the POS pounding with Celest assistance. Celest had the area under complete lockdown as they entered and their support complemented the Celest fleet that was already in total control of the area. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Slowboat Nez, ASCN is not going to give you that information. You should know better then to even ask. I don¦t care wether ASCN give that information or not.. they ought to as its only going to come out anyways..... one way or another. I¦m sure Xelas/Horde or BoB will answer the question.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Slowboat Nez, ASCN is not going to give you that information. You should know better then to even ask. I don¦t care wether ASCN give that information or not.. they ought to as its only going to come out anyways..... one way or another. I¦m sure Xelas/Horde or BoB will answer the question. then evemail them and see if you can find anyone that didnt enter a new clone the very second they entered the system last nigh. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Xendie it is not hollow chestpounding on behalf of ASCN, they moved that huge capital fleet many jumps very fast and stood for the majority of the POS pounding with Celest assistance. right... what is a "huge" capital fleet xendie? I¦m sure somebody would like to supply the approximate number of ASCN Capitals that helped to take the outpost down.
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:11:00 - [54] Erm Nez you really dont want to ask XS/Horde how many capitals there were, they ran to Bob and reported 150 ASCN in system..(when local peaked at even less ) ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Xendie it is not hollow chestpounding on behalf of ASCN, they moved that huge capital fleet many jumps very fast and stood for the majority of the POS pounding with Celest assistance. right... what is a "huge" capital fleet xendie? I¦m sure somebody would like to supply the approximate number of ASCN Capitals that helped to take the outpost down. It is enough to pound 4 large hardend deathstar POS's into reinforced in a few hours and the fleet was also supported by a number of carriers... so do the math its not 5... FAR from it. /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson It is enough to pound 4 large hardend deathstar POS's into reinforced in a few hours and the fleet was also supported by a number of carriers... so do the math its not 5... FAR from it. k so there were more than 5 capital ships between Celes and ASCN.. we are getting there... how many of the total number were ASCN capitals? No bothams will die if you let us know.. I assure you.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:26:00 - [57] Cyvok answered my question in the other thread... see it wasn't so awful after all
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DB Preacher Hi Malken. dbp Hi DB Preacher. so when will i see you in that pink latex dress i sent you? dont you love it? Yeah, it's ultimately more interesting than you cross-posting to a thread that is already under discussion elsewhere. Guess you must have been bored again. dbp this thread Posted - 2006.10.25 16:31:00 cyvok's thread Posted - 2006.10.25 17:27:00 if you are referring to the map thread i assume you know that these kinds of discussions arent allowed in that thread so your point is wasted. heh, That will teach me to actually read what you posted :P Thought u linked to the summits forum for some reason. Malken 1 - dbp 0 nevermind, let the flameage continue! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:27:00 - [59] its over 5 but under 120... there ya go ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:31:00 - [60] Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit.
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:09:00 - [61] Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. They didnt . GG ASCN and good to see CELEST get a foothold _____________ Im back !
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:18:00 - [62] made my day tbh, i had never seen a mothership before. And no its not the end of xelas.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:23:00 - [63] And local peaked at 187 by the way
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:13:00 - [64] Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 25/10/2006 20:14:47 Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit. When did xs lose another outpost? This is their first - its been up about a month. Originally by: Doddy And local peaked at 187 by the way I was there for the takedown of 3 of the 4 large towers. Never once did local exceed 120. It may have been 187 BEFORE ascn showed up, but after they showed up it was never above 120. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:14:00 - [65] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit. When did xs lose another outpost? This is their first - its been up about a month. XS lived in Venal, Gyrn, remember.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit. When did xs lose another outpost? This is their first - its been up about a month. XS lived in Venal, Gyrn, remember. Ahh yes thats right. Did they have an outpost up there? ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit. When did xs lose another outpost? This is their first - its been up about a month. XS lived in Venal, Gyrn, remember. Ahh yes thats right. Did they have an outpost up there? A few of the old-style conquerables iirc, before player built outposts were introduced.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:22:00 - [68] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 25/10/2006 18:34:54 On day one ASCN had 2 Motherships and 20+ Dread's (donno about day 2) and a bunch of other crap, I'm sure I can dig up the list of ships and who was flying them if it's really needed. I just find it funny how Celest talks as if they could have done this alone. But this is good for ASCN, they needed something to boost moral. Losing about 10 ships to every 1 kill against BoB must suck . . . As for XS they have lost other outposts in the past and they have moved on. Nothing you can do about being out blobed. All you did was give BoB a new Outpost when they come pay PNQ a visit. When did xs lose another outpost? This is their first - its been up about a month. XS lived in Venal, Gyrn, remember. Ahh yes thats right. Did they have an outpost up there? A few of the old-style conquerables iirc, before player built outposts were introduced. Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's Semantics, dear Gyrn - it's a station ;)
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:32:00 - [70] >>>They like bypassed all BoB systems >>>> Bypassed ? LOL ! Waltzing right through BoB space, you mean, like the rest of our roaming gangs and carriers did for the last week. Have fun - we do Ian . Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Toranya Faidutti Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:37:00 - [71] I must admit to honest curiosity at why my former alliance ASCN is going after Xelas instead of BoB? Unless they are considering a tactical relocation of Ascenia out of Feyth/Eso/PS to Fountain, it seems more logical to defend their space and/or attack the attackers than to go off on a boondoggle. They did the same thing when I was in the alliance a couple months ago, went up North and left Stain wide open and Eso relatively undefended after securing D-F, and then lo and behold they lost the foothold when their pants were down. I am far from a tactical wiz but still it seems like repeated mistakes. I am saddened to see my former alliance so battered not only by enemy strength and tactics but by their own errors in judgment.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:39:00 - [72] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's Semantics, dear Gyrn - it's a station ;) Hmm - on this point I disagree. A conquerable station costs nothing but ammo - not even that if you fly dirty amarrian ships. An outpost, on the other hand, costs tens of billions of isk and a lot of logistics and manpower. Conquerable station is to an outpost as a stabber is to a vagabond - two completely different animals. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's Semantics, dear Gyrn - it's a station ;) Hmm - on this point I disagree. A conquerable station costs nothing but ammo - not even that if you fly dirty amarrian ships. An outpost, on the other hand, costs tens of billions of isk and a lot of logistics and manpower. Conquerable station is to an outpost as a stabber is to a vagabond - two completely different animals. heh, that's like saying a spade you make yourself is a shovel, Gyrn ;) But, we digress.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:44:00 - [74] Edited by: Drakma on 25/10/2006 20:44:21 Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth ...I was there for the takedown of 3 of the 4 large towers. Never once did local exceed 120. It may have been 187 BEFORE ascn showed up, but after they showed up it was never above 120. Not that it matters, but when I got up there (about 2 hours after the main ASCN fleet) local was at 157.
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:52:00 - [75] Edited by: Hennry Fromer on 25/10/2006 20:53:40 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Gungankllr I don't think Nez got the joke. I guess I'm not a 5 year old.. so how many Capitals did ASCN bring to take the Xelas outpost? ASCN has made a big song and dance about this event... making a post on the map thread, and Cyvok with his "spin this" topic.... But actually we have no idea how much of this is down to ASCN at all. We know ASCN brought some support.. but we don¦t know what else. You could have brought 5 capitals only, in which case ASCN¦s cheast beating would look awfully hollow. So I think you might want to answer the question now or we can get Xelas to answer it. Either way is fine as far as I am concerned. Methinks the answer is fairlly apparent - they had 40 or so in gang and the system count was 120 ASCN had all capitals so 130 - 40 = 80 capitals.
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's Semantics, dear Gyrn - it's a station ;) Hmm - on this point I disagree. A conquerable station costs nothing but ammo - not even that if you fly dirty amarrian ships. An outpost, on the other hand, costs tens of billions of isk and a lot of logistics and manpower. Conquerable station is to an outpost as a stabber is to a vagabond - two completely different animals. heh, that's like saying a spade you make yourself is a shovel, Gyrn ;) But, we digress. It's always a good idea to say "But we digress" when you lose an argument, eh? Conquerable Station: 0 isk, aka Ping Pong Outpost: Billions of isk & a lot of manhours, aka Ouch! Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Jazz Bo Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ahh so then my post is correct - this is the first outpost they've lost :) /me yay's and yar's Semantics, dear Gyrn - it's a station ;) Hmm - on this point I disagree. A conquerable station costs nothing but ammo - not even that if you fly dirty amarrian ships. An outpost, on the other hand, costs tens of billions of isk and a lot of logistics and manpower. Conquerable station is to an outpost as a stabber is to a vagabond - two completely different animals. heh, that's like saying a spade you make yourself is a shovel, Gyrn ;) But, we digress. It's always a good idea to say "But we digress" when you lose an argument, eh? Conquerable Station: 0 isk, aka Ping Pong Outpost: Billions of isk & a lot of manhours, aka Ouch! Of course it is, Jazz, a brilliant idea. Nowhere near as good an idea as trying not to derail a thread arguing over semantics though, eh? You should know how many man hours used to be put in to defending the ping pong stations. A station is a station, way back in the day we would fight for weeks and weeks and weeks to take one, then weeks and weeks and weeks to defend one. What's that in man hours? Continue your derailment though, Jazz, at least myself and Gryn can agree to disagree.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:14:00 - [78] Originally by: Hennry Fromer Methinks the answer is fairlly apparent - they had 40 or so in gang and the system count was 120 ASCN had all capitals so 130 - 40 = 80 capitals. The answer to the question was given by Cyvok in the other thread "spin this"..... Originally by: CYVOK For the record, 17 ASCN Capital Ships & 3 Celes Capital Ships. Celes poked the hole, ASCN dropped the hammer. Celestial Apoc were very orgainzed and it was awesome flying with them again after so many years on oppsite sides of the political fence. -CYVOK- It appears the ASCN forces totalled ~ 100 support + 17 Capital ships. A sizeable force by anybody's standards. So ASCN do deserve credit for ASCN/Celes taking the station.. How much or how little credit? .... well thats debatable but neither here nor there. IMO ASCN deserve some credit here for thinking outside the box, and waging war on more than the bog standard lag-ridden single front.... the question is.. can they keep it up? If they can.. this war may surprise a lot of people myself included.
Nidhoggur Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:30:00 - [79] Edited by: Nidhoggur on 25/10/2006 21:30:57 These forums seem pained.
Nidhoggur Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:31:00 - [80] Edited by: Nidhoggur on 25/10/2006 21:31:34 Originally by: Doddy And local peaked at 187 by the way Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth I was there for the takedown of 3 of the 4 large towers. Never once did local exceed 120. It may have been 187 BEFORE ascn showed up, but after they showed up it was never above 120. I'm not sure how long you were there for. There was a short time fairly early on as the ASCN support first moved into the system, where Celes were camping a gate. As the entire gang entered, local spiked well over 180, though I lack exact numbers. I see no evidence of Xelas trying to cause lag. Of the shuttles I got, not one showed evidence of bm spamming. P.S: Doddy I have your corpse in my cargo hold! Transfer me 25mil isk or I shall do naughty things to it.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Xendie is this the end of Xelas? Wow. Kind of apocalyptic of you dont you think? If only killing an alliance was as easy as temperarily taking a station. Sorry to disappoint, but ASCN have not won eve just yet. Although they seem very***y for an alliance who have yet to win a fleet battle so far. Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Dianabolic You should know how many man hours used to be put in to defending the ping pong stations. A station is a station, way back in the day we would fight for weeks and weeks and weeks to take one, then weeks and weeks and weeks to defend one. What's that in man hours? Continue your derailment though, Jazz, at least myself and Gryn can agree to disagree. I will thanks. The last time I bothered taking a station, it took half a dozen BS considerably less than an hour. And yes, I know they apparently got boosted later. I also know that attacking someone's conquarable station did not make the owners of said station and their friends to warp in like crazed lemmings, which is more or less what happened when we started shooting it yesterday for the first time. And that you actually need to bring your Dreads out of docking range of the NPC stations to take one back. So all in all, I'd say losing an Outpost is many orders of magnitude more important than a little ol' station. So... your ball. An actual answer or more empty rhetoric? Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Drakma Edited by: Drakma on 25/10/2006 20:44:21 Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth ...I was there for the takedown of 3 of the 4 large towers. Never once did local exceed 120. It may have been 187 BEFORE ascn showed up, but after they showed up it was never above 120. Not that it matters, but when I got up there (about 2 hours after the main ASCN fleet) local was at 157. 0.o my local must've been bugged then. When we arrived my local said 121 and steadily declined until dt, when it showed about 80. It may be the mindflood though. Wacky. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:07:00 - [84] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Gungankllr The answer is 42. That is a substantial logistical achievement then... fair play to ASCN. Umm, read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy to get that jokenull And TBH, Bob aint gonna sit down on their butts while you take Xelas' outposts beleive me. I would not be surprised at all if BoB came up there tommorow with 20+ caps and 150 man fleet to take it back. I have yet to see bob back down from a fight, especially when it's in what they consider their backyard
Icomeinpeace Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:18:00 - [85] Edited by: Icomeinpeace on 25/10/2006 22:19:56 So ASCN can't face bob, just like celes, and just like celes they resort to picking on weaker and less organized target. Why do this you may wonder?The answer is simple.They need something to pick up their moral, and what beter thing to do than go against someone you know you can beat easier and beat your chests about it. Lame. ASCN/Celes make it sound as if they are fighting bob, but really they just want to fight someone who they can possibly win against. Celes needs the attention, ASCN needs to save face after heavy losses.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:20:00 - [86] Originally by: Icomeinpeace So ASCN can't face bob, just like celes, and just like celes they resort to picking on weaker and les organized target. Why do this you may wonder?The answer is simple.They need something to pick up their moral, and what beter thing to do than go against someone you know you can beat easier and beat your chests about it. Lame. ASCN/Celes make it sound as if they are fighting bob, but really they just want to fight someone who they can possible win against. Celes needs the attention, ASCN needs to save face. wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Icomeinpeace Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:23:00 - [87] Edited by: Icomeinpeace on 25/10/2006 22:25:39 Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Icomeinpeace So ASCN can't face bob, just like celes, and just like celes they resort to picking on weaker and les organized target. Why do this you may wonder?The answer is simple.They need something to pick up their moral, and what beter thing to do than go against someone you know you can beat easier and beat your chests about it. Lame. ASCN/Celes make it sound as if they are fighting bob, but really they just want to fight someone who they can possible win against. Celes needs the attention, ASCN needs to save face. wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? That happened yes, whats your point? Just because they finally engaged in some fights and won with help from outbreak, that does not equal "facing bob" in my opinon. Funny how people act like the xelas station was a bob one. Maybe we can se ASCN/Celes /whoever else come take nol or somethign that actually belongs to bob? Please?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:26:00 - [89] Anyway, when we come for that station in full force, as we will, are Celes going to fight for it alongside their new buddies?
Frater Perdurabo The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Icomeinpeace Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Icomeinpeace So ASCN can't face bob, just like celes, and just like celes they resort to picking on weaker and les organized target. Why do this you may wonder?The answer is simple.They need something to pick up their moral, and what beter thing to do than go against someone you know you can beat easier and beat your chests about it. Lame. ASCN/Celes make it sound as if they are fighting bob, but really they just want to fight someone who they can possible win against. Celes needs the attention, ASCN needs to save face. wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? That happened yes, whats your point? I think his point is in his trousers (ahahahahahaha....) ahem.... sorry, i'll try again. I think his point was that your 1st post indicated that celes cant stand up to bob yet by bob standards if celes/outbreak had a better k/d ration on bob, then celes/outbreak must be better than bob. ----------------------------------- Please note that my response to this thread is probably a result of boredom, and its very likely that i dont care, but am posting in an attempt to wind someone up
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Translation: "I haven't killed a Celes member since 2004". If you're going to fall back to the usual "Oh but I was there with another account", please post with that other account instead. Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
Icomeinpeace Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:31:00 - [92] Originally by: Blacklight Anyway, when we come for that station in full force, as we will, are Celes going to fight for it alongside their new buddies? BL I can answer that. Celes will be in core docked or at deep ss, maybe if no bob are around they will camp a gate. Pick one of those.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:31:00 - [93] Originally by: Frater Perdurabo Originally by: Icomeinpeace Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Icomeinpeace So ASCN can't face bob, just like celes, and just like celes they resort to picking on weaker and les organized target. Why do this you may wonder?The answer is simple.They need something to pick up their moral, and what beter thing to do than go against someone you know you can beat easier and beat your chests about it. Lame. ASCN/Celes make it sound as if they are fighting bob, but really they just want to fight someone who they can possible win against. Celes needs the attention, ASCN needs to save face. wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? That happened yes, whats your point? I think his point is in his trousers (ahahahahahaha....) ahem.... sorry, i'll try again. I think his point was that your 1st post indicated that celes cant stand up to bob yet by bob standards if celes/outbreak had a better k/d ration on bob, then celes/outbreak must be better than bob. Mabye it's outbreak that is good and not celes? You Will Cry My Name
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:36:00 - [94] Congratulations on the successfull siege of a friendly alliances station. It is good to see HC exploring other options available to them, specifically ones that play to your strengths. There is no place in war for foolish pride, nor is there any shame in utilizing allies to cover any inabilities you may have. Avoiding BoB, attacking a 3rd party outpost, and having Celes do your fighting for you, seems to indicate that HC is finally realising this. A lot is said about Celes, but there is certainly plenty you could learn from them. May your operation be as successfull as you hope, and may all that stront you used not be in vain :)
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:37:00 - [95] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Xendie is this the end of Xelas? Wow. Kind of apocalyptic of you dont you think? If only killing an alliance was as easy as temperarily taking a station. Sorry to disappoint, but ASCN have not won eve just yet. Although they seem very***y for an alliance who have yet to win a fleet battle so far. well the xelas that are left are getting chained far harder then the serpentis is in fountain. there are fewer and fewer xelas spawns everyday The same thing could be said about ASCN in paragon soul. Do you think ASCN is dead? Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:39:00 - [96] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Xendie Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Xendie is this the end of Xelas? Wow. Kind of apocalyptic of you dont you think? If only killing an alliance was as easy as temperarily taking a station. Sorry to disappoint, but ASCN have not won eve just yet. Although they seem very***y for an alliance who have yet to win a fleet battle so far. well the xelas that are left are getting chained far harder then the serpentis is in fountain. there are fewer and fewer xelas spawns everyday The same thing could be said about ASCN in paragon soul. Do you think ASCN is dead? Xelas only have this one region, Ascn have several. There is a difference between defeat and retreat (not that I really know what's going on in Paragon Soul). Quote:** Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
lethario desrtuction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:42:00 - [97] We lost the outpost not the war !!! It was easy to get the outpost but lets see you hold on to it !!
Jor Myne Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:42:00 - [98] Pure comedy. BoB are plainly in the TPAR area waiting for ASCN to show up for a proper war. ASCN AND CELES "on a whim" turn up in great force in FA, nowhere near where the BoB forces are currently playing cards and roasting daed enemy nuts on camp fires, to take a single outpost owned by a single ally. Next, ASCN claim Xelas are dead (erm, lol?) and victory over BoB .... erm, lol? Spin is in the eye of the beholder, but if you really want some facts, come and watch BoB take the outpost back like candy from a baby, let's see the true might of ASCN/CELES defend their newly acquired "war winner" lol, seriously, I'm selling tickets....
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Jazz Bo Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Translation: "I haven't killed a Celes member since 2004". If you're going to fall back to the usual "Oh but I was there with another account", please post with that other account instead. Oh yes how silly of me, I'll just mail all of Celes a list of my alts. If that's the best you can come up with log out and go to bed or something. So anyway, when we come to retake that station with a full fleet are Celes going to defend it?
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Blacklight So when we come for that station are Celes going to fight for it? Pos wars or just shooty shooty? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:48:00 - [101] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Xendie Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Xendie is this the end of Xelas? Wow. Kind of apocalyptic of you dont you think? If only killing an alliance was as easy as temperarily taking a station. Sorry to disappoint, but ASCN have not won eve just yet. Although they seem very*****y for an alliance who have yet to win a fleet battle so far. well the xelas that are left are getting chained far harder then the serpentis is in fountain. there are fewer and fewer xelas spawns everyday The same thing could be said about ASCN in paragon soul. Do you think ASCN is dead? Uh.. BOB has not taken an ASCN station so the question is moot.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:51:00 - [102] And here is a question for all the BOB spinologists. Does BOB claim ownership of Fountain? If so then didn't Celes and ASCN just do what you begged them to do? Take an Outpost in YOUR space?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:53:00 - [103] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Blacklight So when we come for that station are Celes going to fight for it? Pos wars or just shooty shooty? Shooty shooty, I know you don't want to get into a logistics fight, even you guys would admit (or you're far madder than even I suspected) that you'd lose that before we even started! So will you defend it, in a purely shooty shooty fashion?
Assur Minmatar Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:54:00 - [104] Originally by: Jor Myne Pure comedy. BoB are plainly in the TPAR area waiting for ASCN to show up for a proper war. ASCN AND CELES "on a whim" turn up in great force in FA, nowhere near where the BoB forces are currently playing cards and roasting daed enemy nuts on camp fires, to take a single outpost owned by a single ally. Next, ASCN claim Xelas are dead (erm, lol?) and victory over BoB .... erm, lol? Spin is in the eye of the beholder, but if you really want some facts, come and watch BoB take the outpost back like candy from a baby, let's see the true might of ASCN/CELES defend their newly acquired "war winner" lol, seriously, I'm selling tickets.... Actually i think its good strategy. A war isn't always won by direct confrontation but rather by forcing the enemy to split or overextend their forces. With ASCN now getting a foothold in fountain delve will be vulnerable from the north as well. Wars are never proper as you have put it.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:55:00 - [105] Originally by: Slowboat And here is a question for all the BOB spinologists. Does BOB claim ownership of Fountain? If so then didn't Celes and ASCN just do what you begged them to do? Take an Outpost in YOUR space? Hi partisan alt, if any BoB pilot gets into this debate with you then they are stupider than a very stupid thing suffering from stupiditous. You can discuss that and most of your other points with yourself as far as I am concered. Have fun in space.
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:56:00 - [106] Originally by: pershphanie The same thing could be said about ASCN in paragon soul. Do you think ASCN is dead? Granted you have POSs up in our claimed space. I won't deny that. But you still don't own a station do you. I will grant that the station in PNQ is a Xelas one and not a bob one but still you claim fountain as far as i know. So my conclusion is you can not compare apples with melons do you.
MECHcore Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:59:00 - [107] Bring it on bastids , go on with your forumwarriors like this , once you will have to much enemies to handle. Then u gonna get kicked in the nuts , while i sit im my sweat soft chair enjoying my Jupiler beer watching with a happy face You lost ground today and thats it.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:01:00 - [108] Originally by: Nidhoggur Edited by: Nidhoggur on 25/10/2006 21:31:34 Originally by: Doddy And local peaked at 187 by the way Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth I was there for the takedown of 3 of the 4 large towers. Never once did local exceed 120. It may have been 187 BEFORE ascn showed up, but after they showed up it was never above 120. I'm not sure how long you were there for. There was a short time fairly early on as the ASCN support first moved into the system, where Celes were camping a gate. As the entire gang entered, local spiked well over 180, though I lack exact numbers. I see no evidence of Xelas trying to cause lag. Of the shuttles I got, not one showed evidence of bm spamming. P.S: Doddy I have your corpse in my cargo hold! Transfer me 25mil isk or I shall do naughty things to it. Glad someone backs me up - thaught i must of imagined it. As for the corpse - have pity it had a short unfulfilled life (jumpclone to outpost, undock, die)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:03:00 - [109] Originally by: Brielle Edited by: Brielle on 25/10/2006 17:28:42 Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. Are you saying that Fountain isnt BoB space? They "bypassed BoBs systems" to take this outpost. ASCN take an outpost in Fountain and thats fine, its not a problem and Xelas are going to deal with it? Are you an offical BOB spokesperson because, frankly, thats an astonishing post. Brielle Hehe. This post made me smile :) Though, I'm saying nothing more in this thread. Just wanted to let you know I am smiling :)
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:10:00 - [110] Originally by: MECHcore Bring it on bastids , go on with your forumwarriors like this , once you will have to much enemies to handle. Then u gonna get kicked in the nuts , while i sit im my sweat soft chair enjoying my Jupiler beer watching with a happy face You lost ground today and thats it. So the answer to my question is what? When we come for that station are Celes going to defend it?
Isben Yamas COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:12:00 - [111] Go ascn and celes go !!! Isben
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:13:00 - [112] Originally by: MECHcore while i sit im my sweat soft chair EEEEWWWWW!
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:27:00 - [113] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Well you must have been involed in about 1 or 2 then BL coz we gave BNC a kicking in terms of BS and ships destroyed also. Unlucky. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers. _____ Awwwww did you just tell a porky pie? Unlucky. --- Lodhi ftg
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:35:00 - [115] You are all mad. why are u all arguing. the whole point of this was to take the outpost. the plan is never to hold onto it forever and have pos spamming wars, NO THANKS its just not somthing we do. we dont even have that many dreads, we have just about 0 pos logistics, we fight, thats pretty much it. its just nice to say we were there. we are just a small corp and know our limits. seems to me ppl on both sides are blinded by hate. Iv always said that fighting BOB on diff fronts is the key to success. d solo.
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:36:00 - [116] Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported to have been downed by the combined strike force in fountain. so far Zorba Leutius from the Huns and Major Stereotypd from Mass Murder Aggregate have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. It is really amazing what some misinformed (or truly lying?) ppl can say what is your case Xendie? are u misinformed or are u just a liar? letÆs analyze what you state. u say that the finest example of things braking down in horde is members being reported using Bm¦s (possibly as an exploit) in their ship. lets say for argument sake that these Bm`s were being transported for someone and not to be used for the purposes that you say, thus not reflecting anything whatsoever. then I look at the F-E kill board (and F-E uses the same database that we do) and see that zorba Leutius has lost 2 harpys and 1 rifter.... in none of the killmails appears a single BM.... how can this happen? are u talking out of experience or is it pure Bull xendie? but wait.... this sort of claim comes from a pilot that has a medium time of corp. permanence of 1-2 months..... I can see that u really like the corps u are in... that or they donÆt like u.... I say that there may be some killmails that werenÆt posted or on our database (if so pls send and well happily update) but bear in mind that some guys like to transport Bm¦s to other players, sometimes those ships die, sometimes the pilot dies too, but claiming that its a sign of total breakdown is totally hilarious who are u and what do u claim to know? I donÆt care if u lived in 100 corps and if u have flown in fountain once or twice. as for Xelas and Horde breaking down... we have seen invasions from the north... we have seen FA... we have seen celes for a long time... all of this as gone by and yet The Huns and CP (and many others) remain in fountain. when all the fuss has cleared we will still be here... and we will still be looking to these remarks. Have fun gentleman. Originally by: xendie HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. PS: yes... we lost 5 BS¦s and 1BC.... we are doomed now... we are bound to fly t1 frigs for the next 3 months..... get real m8
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Slowboat And here is a question for all the BOB spinologists. Does BOB claim ownership of Fountain? If so then didn't Celes and ASCN just do what you begged them to do? Take an Outpost in YOUR space? Hi partisan alt, if any BoB pilot gets into this debate with you then they are stupider than a very stupid thing suffering from stupiditous. You can discuss that and most of your other points with yourself as far as I am concered. Have fun in space. How was that a partisan question? It was fairly straight forward. In fact it couldn't even be called smack. The answer to the first one is Yes, Bob claims ownership of Fountain. Which means, no matter who was renting the station from you, Celes and ASCN took one of your stations. But I forgot, if BOB can't spin it they will ignore it. Oh and for those, few, BOBor MC(in the other thread) telling them they should take a station you care about where you are... umm.. why in the hell would they give you the advantage? You react or you lose, you don't say "Pretty please, could you try to take this station over here where all of our ships are waiting for you?"
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:39:00 - [118] Edited by: Buxaroo on 25/10/2006 23:39:38 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Buxaroo Umm, read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy to get that jokenull ..wether I have read Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy... matters not.. I was asking a question, and GunganKlown thought it funny to answer it with a joke. (I have read it btw..not that its any of your goddam business)....... Dude, you need to chill. I was pointing out where the joke came from, not making fun of your lack of humor.
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:45:00 - [119] Originally by: Toranya Faidutti I must admit to honest curiosity at why my former alliance ASCN is going after Xelas instead of BoB? Unless they are considering a tactical relocation of Ascenia out of Feyth/Eso/PS to Fountain, it seems more logical to defend their space and/or attack the attackers than to go off on a boondoggle. They did the same thing when I was in the alliance a couple months ago, went up North and left Stain wide open and Eso relatively undefended after securing D-F, and then lo and behold they lost the foothold when their pants were down. I am far from a tactical wiz but still it seems like repeated mistakes. I am saddened to see my former alliance so battered not only by enemy strength and tactics but by their own errors in judgment. I guess morale is not so good so its important to get a victory, if your not able to take on bob directly then indirectly is your next best thing. Still the direction is downhill, will be interesting to see what happens next. If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Blacklight So anyway, when we come to retake that station with a full fleet are Celes going to defend it? We go where the fights are even if some of bob like to think otherwise. We moved to YZ at first because Xelas was living there, 30 xelas in local was normal back then(now about 4 average). They then moved to a-1 so we moved after them. When they got their outpost they left a-1 so our option to get fights from them was to go to PNQY. We, combined with ASCN, took that system aswell all in hope that it would bring us good fights. ISK and region control doesn't interest us we want good fights and hopefully this last action will give us just that. Bring your fleet for some good old shooty shooty, we want that. As you said, we won't deny that you can do the POS war/logistic thing better than us. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Zae'dra Xanthe Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:06:00 - [121] If Bob sends the fleet to "retake" the Xelas station, I can't see that as anything other than a win for ASCN. Moving that far to retake a system so far from the front-line gives ASCN a short, yet difinitive time to shore up their defenses in Paragon. If I'm getting spanked in one system over and over it makes a lot of sense for me to divert the enemies attention elsewhere to get a little break. I can't believe that no one else sees this for what it is... a diversion. Seems like a smart move by ASCN any way you look at it. If Bob goes to claim that station it proves that it matters to them. If they leave it as it is it's a point ASCN can continue to use as a morale boost. Quite honestly, anyone saying they should be throwing more ships blinfly into Paragon and not trying to split forces isn't thinking strategy
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:11:00 - [122] Originally by: Assens Letta Edited by: Assens Letta on 25/10/2006 23:50:31 Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported to have been downed by the combined strike force in fountain. so far Zorba Leutius from the Huns and Major Stereotypd from Mass Murder Aggregate have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. It is really amazing what some misinformed (or truly lying?) ppl can say what is your case Xendie? are u misinformed or are u just a liar? letÆs analyze what you state. u say that the finest example of things braking down in horde is members being reported using Bm¦s (possibly as an exploit) in their ship. lets say for argument sake that these Bm`s were being transported for someone and not to be used for the purposes that you say, thus not reflecting anything whatsoever. then I look at the F-E kill board (and F-E uses the same database that we do) and see that zorba Leutius has lost 2 harpys and 1 rifter.... in none of the killmails appears a single BM.... how can this happen? are u talking out of experience or is it pure Bull xendie? but wait.... this sort of claim comes from a pilot that has a medium time of corp. permanence of 1-2 months..... I can see that u really like the corps u are in... that or they donÆt like u.... I say that there may be some killmails that werenÆt posted or on our database (if so pls send and well happily update) but bear in mind that some guys like to transport Bm¦s to other players, sometimes those ships die, sometimes the pilot dies too, but claiming that its a sign of total breakdown is totally hilarious who are u and what do u claim to know? I donÆt care if u lived in 100 corps and if u have flown in fountain once or twice. as for Xelas and Horde breaking down... we have seen invasions from the north... we have seen FA... we have seen celes for a long time... all of this as gone by and yet The Huns and CP (and many others) remain in fountain. when all the fuss has cleared we will still be here... and we will still be looking to these remarks and laughing still. Have fun gentleman. Originally by: xendie HORDE sent a rescue fleet that got annihilated. PS: yes... we lost 5 BS¦s and 1BC.... we are doomed now... we are bound to fly t1 frigs for the next 3 months..... get real m8 Transport hundreds of bms in an unfitted vigil? Take a look at our killboard for Zorba Leutius - there's a vigil kill at precisely 2006.10.20 14:12 - there's NOTHING on his vigil at all. No wcs, no mwd, no guns, no cloak. Just hundreds of bms in his cargo. He undocks and just sits there, waiting to be killed, then a tech 2 hauler undocked behind him after he dies, fully expecting the bm lag to prevent our forces from engaging. I'd happily link the mail here but I believe thats a nono. Instead, let me focus your attention on my sig, with the killboard link there. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:41:00 - [123] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth He undocks and just sits there, waiting to be killed, then a tech 2 hauler undocked behind him after he dies, fully expecting the bm lag to prevent our forces from engaging. HavenÆt u fought us already? Do u sincerely believe that the stuff that Xendie is saying is true? Are u also misinformed? Do u take the small pebble for the whole mountain? Can u claim that the Huns or any other HORDE cop. runs away from a fight? We give u guys some credit at being good pvpers, I only think we deserve some credit at fighting honestly and for standing up to the task. Did a t2 hauler got out of station? OMG... how many times did FA and such others chased our haulers? Too many it seems. How many times did pmota got away from u guys? Too many. Did we loose some? Ofc we did, its part of the game, and u guys also lost some yes. Can u claim that it was a generally used tactic for that purpose? get real m8... I know that we are a hard nut to break and that although all u said and no matter how much you guys beat your chest in forums we are still in fountain and still fighting. (ooc=is it possible that RL life circumstances make a player leave his PC and make solve some serious business like family issues, or rather kid issues ? do I need to say more?) Is it possible that the example that Xendie mentioned as a fact that XS and HORDE are in complete disarray is complete bull? I say once again, do not take the pebble for the whole mountain. Can u claim that to be a common practice? DonÆt be silly man.... have fun gents and we will see u in fountain once more... until one of us leaves... and its not going to be us... history says so.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth He undocks and just sits there, waiting to be killed, then a tech 2 hauler undocked behind him after he dies, fully expecting the bm lag to prevent our forces from engaging. HavenÆt u fought us already? Do u sincerely believe that the stuff that Xendie is saying is true? Are u also misinformed? Do u take the small pebble for the whole mountain? Can u claim that the Huns or any other HORDE cop. runs away from a fight? We give u guys some credit at being good pvpers, I only think we deserve some credit at fighting honestly and for standing up to the task. Did a t2 hauler got out of station? OMG... how many times did FA and such others chased our haulers? Too many it seems. How many times did pmota got away from u guys? Too many. Did we loose some? Ofc we did, its part of the game, and u guys also lost some yes. Can u claim that it was a generally used tactic for that purpose? get real m8... I know that we are a hard nut to break and that although all u said and no matter how much you guys beat your chest in forums we are still in fountain and still fighting. (ooc=is it possible that RL life circumstances make a player leave his PC and make solve some serious business like family issues, or rather kid issues ? do I need to say more?) Is it possible that the example that Xendie mentioned as a fact that XS and HORDE are in complete disarray is complete bull? I say once again, do not take the pebble for the whole mountain. Can u claim that to be a common practice? DonÆt be silly man.... have fun gents and we will see u in fountain once more... until one of us leaves... and its not going to be us... history says so. Xendie claimed that it happened and gave 2 specific examples. Those examples are backed up by the kills on our board. Is it common practice with Horde? I don't believe so and I'd HOPE not, but it did happen this time. The point is Horde pilots and Horde alliance by extension have resorted to some lame tactics - exploitative, in fact - in order to escape our attacks. If you believe in your alliance get your pilots to stop pulling stunts like this - it is childish, desparate and exploitative. As far as taking a pebble for a mountain - I've fought Horde for as long as you've been in existence after you left Xelas. Thats several months. I've known Xendie for 3 years now and trust him deeply. I'll take his "pebble" as the mountain, considering it is backed up by proof and my own personal experience. Hard nut to *****? You left Xelas under our pressure. Sit tight in your little sandbox in TU-, we'll turn our attention to you soon enough. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:15:00 - [125] Quote: I guess morale is not so good so its important to get a victory, if your not able to take on bob directly then indirectly is your next best thing. Still the direction is downhill, will be interesting to see what happens next. Says a FIX slave forced to live under the BOB flag. Frankly, I see NO better time for entities like FIX to get their regions back. Here is a chance for the east to finally humble the arrogance that is BOB. People just to find their balls.
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:16:00 - [126] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth I'll take his "pebble" as the mountain, considering it is backed up by proof and my own personal experience. it saddens me to see such good sports resorting to this kind of propaganda... specially a kind of propaganda that (i hope)they know not to be true(if u believe then u have start believing your own lies)... but hey..living and learning Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You left Xelas under our pressure Do i need to answer this ? HAHAHAHAHA Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Hard nut to *****? You left Xelas under our pressure. Sit tight in your little sandbox in TU-, we'll turn our attention to you soon enough bring it on m8... its us that brought u the fight so far... seems like a nice change
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:24:00 - [127] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth I'll take his "pebble" as the mountain, considering it is backed up by proof and my own personal experience. it saddens me to see such good sports resorting to this kind of propaganda... specially a kind of propaganda that (i hope)they know not to be true(if u believe then u have start believing your own lies)... but hey..living and learning Have you bothered looking at the killboard? Try the link. Its not propaganda its proof :/ Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You left Xelas under our pressure Do i need to answer this ? HAHAHAHAHA Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Hard nut to *****? You left Xelas under our pressure. Sit tight in your little sandbox in TU-, we'll turn our attention to you soon enough bring it on m8... its us that brought u the fight so far... seems like a nice change You and I both know the circumstances of your departure from xelas. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:27:00 - [128] The Xelas Super Capital programe just hit a slight snag.... Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:37:00 - [129] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Well you must have been involed in about 1 or 2 then BL coz we gave BNC a kicking in terms of BS and ships destroyed also. Unlucky. One of those was a battle of BNC vs Celes , 8 celes BS got bbqed and BNC lost none so yeah right spin what u like. @ Jazz, are you realy that thick m8 ?? Even ur own leader wont say something that remotely dense lol since they know quite well who BL is. This entire subject is just silly and started by a troll , if alliances would die just for losing one staion then life would have been soo much eaiser tbh xelas may rise or fall dependign on more factors just like any other alliance who still stands or have fallen summarising it to just one incident is just sheer stupidity and epeen jerking. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:58:00 - [130] I have one thing to say to ASCN. We have done our 'spinning' for this evening. I hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. We will be back to take PNQ in the same style as you got bent over, lubed up and utterly destroyed in H8- tonight. Spin that if you can.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:00:00 - [131] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Xendie wasnt it your alliance that had a 3-1 loss ratio against Celest/Outbreak up in fountain? I won every single fight I was part of up there. There's an angle for every spin and a spin for every angle. Well you must have been involed in about 1 or 2 then BL coz we gave BNC a kicking in terms of BS and ships destroyed also. Unlucky. One of those was a battle of BNC vs Celes , 8 celes BS got bbqed and BNC lost none so yeah right spin what u like. @ Jazz, are you realy that thick m8 ?? Even ur own leader wont say something that remotely dense lol since they know quite well who BL is. This entire subject is just silly and started by a troll , if alliances would die just for losing one staion then life would have been soo much eaiser tbh xelas may rise or fall dependign on more factors just like any other alliance who still stands or have fallen summarising it to just one incident is just sheer stupidity and epeen jerking. When have we ever said we've won every fight we've been in? You said it yourself: Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel One of those was a battle of BNC vs Celes , 8 celes BS got bbqed and BNC lost none so yeah right spin what u like. Xendie said he must've been involved in 1 or 2. You won a few battles against us but JUST a few. Xendie's statement is correct - we easily gained a 3:1 k:d ratio against you during your brief stay in Fountain. We've of course lost battles and we'll continue to fight - sometimes we'll win and sometimes we'll lose. We DID however win more frequently than we lost against bob while you were trying to protect your claim on Fountain. Take a look at your own killboard for that. In particular, take a look at the k:d during that timeframe - perhaps that'll put that voice in your head to rest a bit. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:04:00 - [132] Originally by: darth solo You are all mad. why are u all arguing. the whole point of this was to take the outpost. the plan is never to hold onto it forever and have pos spamming wars, NO THANKS its just not somthing we do. we dont even have that many dreads, we have just about 0 pos logistics, we fight, thats pretty much it. its just nice to say we were there. we are just a small corp and know our limits. seems to me ppl on both sides are blinded by hate. Iv always said that fighting BOB on diff fronts is the key to success. d solo. So that's my answer then. Thanks.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:35:00 - [133] I'm trying to figure out which is more red, my new sig or our killboard... >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:42:00 - [134] Originally by: Xendie even more signs of total breakdown of decency by Xelas and horde pilots have been displayed. multiple ships loaded with bookmarks are reported to have been downed by the combined strikeforce in fountain. so far Zorba Leutius from the huns and Major Stereotypd from Mass Murder Aggregate have been confirmed to that lame. low really low Xelas and HORDE. Is this a name and shame? Adelon Cypher of CLS had about 200 bookmarks in his hold when he warped in on our dread killing. http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=113025 Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:49:00 - [135] Originally by: HostageTaker I'm trying to figure out which is more red, my new sig or our killboard... I'd say your killboard... Ouch At least ASCN killed some bs's. I'll wait for the blog
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 04:51:00 - [136] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You and I both know the circumstances of your departure from xelas. Honestly, I must say your spy has been failing recently, HUNS/C-P/U.DK left for reasons completely un-related to Celes/Toxin or even hostiles. Please, tell me I'm wrong; Humour me.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:05:00 - [137] yeah im sure acsn will send fleets to help more after tonight.. nice to see rise showing up to help celes/acsn.
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:09:00 - [138] Originally by: Proxay Humour me. oh...they will... look at this discussion and u will see that Originally by: Galavet Adelon Cypher of CLS had about 200 bookmarks in his hold when he warped in on our dread killing. well this is something to be expected, Celes comes in the defence of xendie claiming that they have proof of The Horde CiC used a "lame" tatic... and they claim to have proof and insinuate that it was prepositated.... link to that kill and yet... the bm¦s they survive ? looking at BoB killboard it seems so... but on Zorba ship none survived... amazing... what a stroke of luck that was... (OOC-Maybe Adelon Cypher was on the same situation as zorba was, and he needed to get away from his PC right there) Celes and Xendie, do not throw rocks at your neighbours house when u have glass roofs on your own house guys, as it seems all we have is your word that Zorba was using "lame" tatics... and yet a killboard show that u guys also do what u claim zorba has done. the difference is we dont say u guys are lame or that u are in the brink of destruction and utterly disorganized. no... hats off for you guys and for the good sports u are (most of celes at least) Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You and I both know the circumstances of your departure from xelas. Lets be honest m8... i may know the reasons... u dont... and let me assure u it certainly was not cause of u guys... plz continue to make us laugh... they say it makes u live longer.... keep up the good job... i can thank u if i live to be 110 years old
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:10:00 - [139] OMFG. did celest actually need ascn on this one ? im chocked. i thought celestiel apcs had enough in there npc stations.. lmao.. celest ascn slaves ?
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:25:00 - [140] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet nice to see rise showing up to help celes/acsn. lol, I arent Rise suppose to be busy defending Or from Chon/NORAD or something like that? ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:02:00 - [141] xelas secret meeting Xelas meeting Cursed Spawn recruitment
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:05:00 - [142] Xelas are actually quite respectful and they'd do great things if they had some leadership. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:50:00 - [143] Originally by: Blacklight We have done our 'spinning' for this evening. Good for you! How much calories did you burn? --
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:12:00 - [144] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proxay Humour me. oh...they will... look at this discussion and u will see that Originally by: Galavet Adelon Cypher of CLS had about 200 bookmarks in his hold when he warped in on our dread killing. well this is something to be expected, Celes comes in the defence of xendie claiming that they have proof of The Horde CiC used a "lame" tatic... and they claim to have proof and insinuate that it was prepositated.... link to that kill and yet... the bm¦s they survive ? looking at BoB killboard it seems so... but on Zorba ship none survived... amazing... what a stroke of luck that was... (OOC-Maybe Adelon Cypher was on the same situation as zorba was, and he needed to get away from his PC right there) Celes and Xendie, do not throw rocks at your neighbours house when u have glass roofs on your own house guys, as it seems all we have is your word that Zorba was using "lame" tatics... and yet a killboard show that u guys also do what u claim zorba has done. the difference is we dont say u guys are lame or that u are in the brink of destruction and utterly disorganized. no... hats off for you guys and for the good sports u are (most of celes at least) Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You and I both know the circumstances of your departure from xelas. Lets be honest m8... i may know the reasons... u dont... and let me assure u it certainly was not cause of u guys... plz continue to make us laugh... they say it makes u live longer.... keep up the good job... i can thank u if i live to be 110 years old A couple of points: 1) CLS != CELES - prove one of our guys pulled something like that and he'd be booted immediately. We've done it before for pulling lame stuff (logging in combat for instance) and we'll do it again. 2) Killmails only show what was destroyed. There were many, many more bms in the can THAT SURVIVED. Should give you an idea of the level to which this particular Horde pilot had sunk. 3) Fact is, you broke off from Xelas. No more need be said - proof is there for all to see. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:26:00 - [145] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 1) CLS != CELES - prove one of our guys pulled something like that and he'd be booted immediately. We've done it before for pulling lame stuff (logging in combat for instance) and we'll do it again. what does this prove ? or does it just prove that sometimes accidents happen despite what your twisted minds thinks ? Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 2) Killmails only show what was destroyed. There were many, many more bms in the can THAT SURVIVED. Should give you an idea of the level to which this particular Horde pilot had sunk. deserves no comment from us... by now i can see to whom i am talking to... no point talking to the walls Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 3) Fact is, you broke off from Xelas. No more need be said - proof is there for all to see. shall we say that if i live to 150 years i can thank u guys ?
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 1) CLS != CELES - prove one of our guys pulled something like that and he'd be booted immediately. We've done it before for pulling lame stuff (logging in combat for instance) and we'll do it again. what does this prove ? or does it just prove that sometimes accidents happen despite what your twisted minds thinks ? CLS != CELES. CLS is Celestial Horizon corp - no relation whatsoever to CELES Celestial Apocalypse. I suppose it proves you can't read, because thats exactly what I posted - you quoted it yourself :/ Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 2) Killmails only show what was destroyed. There were many, many more bms in the can THAT SURVIVED. Should give you an idea of the level to which this particular Horde pilot had sunk. deserves no comment from us... by now i can see to whom i am talking to... no point talking to the walls No point in talking to the walls when the walls are correct. Anyone that has ever seen a killmail knows only destroyed items show on the killmail, and that items that survive do not show on the killmail. Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 3) Fact is, you broke off from Xelas. No more need be said - proof is there for all to see. shall we say that if i live to 150 years i can thank u guys ? You won't. No point. You can however enlighten the broader EvE community by explaining precisely WHY you guys left Xelas :) I already know the answers, but the greater community is probably interested, now that you've tried to shut down discussion of it. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:35:00 - [147] Whey did CELES leave the last alliance they were in, Gryn?
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:37:00 - [148] Originally by: Dianabolic Whey did CELES leave the last alliance they were in, Gryn? Because they wanted to carebear and we wanted to hunt people. When we joined, we were under the impression they wanted to fight as much as we did. Our impression was incorrect, and we dealt with the situation accordingly. Clear enough? ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:04:00 - [149] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 1) CLS != CELES - prove one of our guys pulled something like that and he'd be booted immediately. We've done it before for pulling lame stuff (logging in combat for instance) and we'll do it again. what does this prove ? or does it just prove that sometimes accidents happen despite what your twisted minds thinks ? Thats to be expected from ASCN tbh. Apperantly ASCN likes to complain about things and then do them their self. (ex - AAA's alledged use of lag bombs, or how awfull bob members are for spamming the forums and "spinning stories" and then make threads like this). For some reason it is ok for ASCN to accuse someone of doing things which they consider horrible and then do the same things using the "well someone else did it first" clause. The only thing that suprising here is that CELES would fly with people using exploits. I am honestly shocked by that. For all the bad things that come to mind when I think of CELES there are a few positives that i did respect. The most important being CELES's clean game play. I'm not just talking about them not using exploits, that is a minimum standard that should be expected by everyone in eve. I've never known CELES to log off in combat, never use tactics which are questionable in terms of game mechanics, dishonor a 1v1, etc... It is a sad day for CELES. It appears they are willing to give up any moral highground they had left just to win a single battle against bob (well sort of bob, mostly xelas). My question to CELES is do you condone the use of boarderline tactics such as lagbombs? Were you aware such methods were going to be used in your op before it happend? If not do you plan to continue to fly with ASCN after they involved you directly in ops where such deplorable "tactics" were used? I'd hate to think CELES would just ignore such abominations. Say it aint so joe. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:16:00 - [150] dont you all know that you will get a official warning on your account when you are spamming these killmail links? nubbins with lack of forum f00. for the nub horde dude--->just go check for those names on the CELESTIAL APOCALYPSE killboard and then sthu. atleast there the mails isnt edited to remove items destroyed. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:18:00 - [151] Edited by: pershphanie on 26/10/2006 08:21:45 Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Incidentally, that CLS pilot actually had a fitting on his ship. Perhaps he WAS travelling somewhere moving bms to an alt. Perhaps he WAS copying bms for a friend. In Zorba's mail there's no fitting on his ship whatsoever, only hundreds of bms - enough to truncate the killmail because of all the ones that were destroyed, never mind the ones left over in the can. Really? You think it is probable that an ASCN member happend to be "traveling" through a system where an epic battle launched by his CEO was taking place including capital ship POS warfare and he had no idea? Then he "accidentally" happend to warp to the same hostile pos where the fight was taking place at the precise time the fight was taking place where he happend to have his cargo full of bms and get blown up? Wow. What an amazing coincidence. What are the odds? 0/10 burring your head in the sand does not mean this didnt happen. Nice try. having an inner conflict about chosing the side of exploiters or bob? I dont blame you tbh. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:19:00 - [152] I was in xelas for 3 weeks before leaving yesterday so I am not going to assume I am an expert in eve war/politics. Furthermore this was the first time I had experienced 0.0 space. In that time (and for the whole of that time) celest consistantly harrassed and limited xelas operations in fountain. They were a constant thorn in the side of xelas. The op's question has somewhat been forgotten in the last couple of pages in this thread "Is this the end of xelas?". I can only state what I saw in my breif time there. Xelas is now a mere shadow of an alliance. Even before the Outpost was attacked key corps had begun to take down installations in the surrounding systems and move out of fountain. Other corps simply left including, perhaps most insidously DARK-RISING. My former corp actually merged with DARK and several other corps days before the attack. I would not be surprised if their leaving was noted by a spy for Celest or whether DARK themselves had some knowledge of the attack. Despite there being over 140 peeps in alliance online during the assult (and over 14 hours to come up with a strategy to defend the Outpost) I dont think they were able to mount much more than a pitiful collection of lesser bs and cruisers. The majority of the alliance remained silent throughout the assult. This actually shouldnt come as a shock to anyone who has been in fountain for the past couple of weeks. I think there was only a handful of times any decent gangs were formed at all. Celest pretty much had free reign of the place. In xelas pilots defense, whenever a gang was formed celest would simply log out. You talk highly of "bring the fight", well actually whenever it was brought you logged! As for whether BOB had any control over the runnings of the area of fountain is questionable. I never saw any bob gangs help or respond to celest but the whole time there was a sense of forboding within alliance chat that we were there by bobs grace and that we were merely caretaking the area for them. On the strategic issue of opening up this other front, i must commend the organiser and planner of the assult. Whether is is merely a ruse, faint or proper offensive into BOBs flank is irrelevent. It will/has drawn attention to fountain in general and BOB will have to commit resources to the retaking of the outpost. Xelas appeared to be a spent force. At the very least it has successfully crippled an ally of BOB, perhaps to the point of no return. I cannot see xelas retaking the outpost unaided. Please bear in mind that these comments are from a person relatively new to eve. I make no claims to authority on the subject, though I am a student of Military history and tactics and of political sciences. True credit for the taking of the Outpost should go to both Ascn as well as celest. The former for supplying the needed capital ships and for the brilliance of this diversionry strategy and to celest for weakening the ability for xelas to resist in the first place. Hopefully I wont get blacklisted for these comments...
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:21:00 - [153] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 26/10/2006 08:22:01 Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proxay Humour me. oh...they will... look at this discussion and u will see that Originally by: Galavet Adelon Cypher of CLS had about 200 bookmarks in his hold when he warped in on our dread killing. well this is something to be expected, Celes comes in the defence of xendie claiming that they have proof of The Horde CiC used a "lame" tatic... and they claim to have proof and insinuate that it was prepositated.... link to that kill and yet... the bm¦s they survive ? looking at BoB killboard it seems so... but on Zorba ship none survived... amazing... what a stroke of luck that was... They did survive on Zorba's ship. He just edited his loss mail before posting it on your boards. We'll never know how many there were as there's the "** Truncated - mail is too large " message. There was no way he was transporting those BMs either. I was playing Cat and Mouse with six of them, Zorba kept following me around and locking me in fights... although he had no modules fitted on his ship. In case you're going to try and argue I faked the kill mail, here's a picture. 1. Trying to create lag with hundreds of BMs in cargo 2. Editing his loss mail to hide it from the public Nice going. Quote:** Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:23:00 - [154] Greetings Pershphanie. Answers and insights inline. Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth 1) CLS != CELES - prove one of our guys pulled something like that and he'd be booted immediately. We've done it before for pulling lame stuff (logging in combat for instance) and we'll do it again. what does this prove ? or does it just prove that sometimes accidents happen despite what your twisted minds thinks ? Thats to be expected from ASCN tbh. Apperantly ASCN likes to complain about things and then do them their self. (ex - AAA's alledged use of lag bombs, or how awfull bob members are for spamming the forums and "spinning stories" and then make threads like this). For some reason it is ok for ASCN to accuse someone of doing things which they consider horrible and then do the same things using the "well someone else did it first" clause. The Horde pilot I'm picking on pointed out that his pilot very well may have been moving bms to an alt, a friend etc. The proof that is not the case is multifold: 1) Undocked from the station and waited to be killed 2) After dying, a tech 2 Horde hauler undocks as well, presumably to take advantage of the lag created by the vigil's demise and subsequent BM spammage in the can 3) His vigil was UNFITTED. No modules at all. This just screams exploit. He WANTED to die so the bms would lag the grid and let the t2 hauler escape. In contrast, the ASCN guy at least had a fitting appropriate to the ship. He was fitted, at least, and few enough bms exploded such that the killmail isn't truncated. It may have been an attempt at an exploit and perhaps not. I'm leaning towards not, but I wasn't there and can't state unequivocally. Originally by: pershphanie The only thing that suprising here is that CELES would fly with people using exploits. I am honestly shocked by that. For all the bad things that come to mind when I think of CELES there are a few positives that i did respect. The most important being CELES's clean game play. I'm not just talking about them not using exploits, that is a minimum standard that should be expected by everyone in eve. I've never known CELES to log off in combat, never use tactics which are questionable in terms of game mechanics, dishonor a 1v1, etc... Thank you for the kind words. We pride ourselves on bravery, honesty & integrity. It is nice to see this recognized :) Originally by: pershphanie It is a sad day for CELES. It appears they are willing to give up any moral highground they had left just to win a single battle against bob (well sort of bob, mostly xelas). My question to CELES is do you condone the use of boarderline tactics such as lagbombs? Were you aware such methods were going to be used in your op before it happend? If not do you plan to continue to fly with ASCN after they involved you directly in ops where such deplorable "tactics" were used? I'd hate to think CELES would just ignore such abominations. Say it aint so joe. If you look closely at the ASCN killmail, you'll see that the pilot died in H8-ZTO. According to the map so conveniently placed on your killboard, that is precisely 43 jumps from PNQY-Y, where CELES and ASCN forces were operating. I'm really curious how this kill relates, particularly considering the point that it may not have been an attempt at an exploit, judging from the killmail. To more concretely answer your question - the other questions below it aren't valid as this event didn't occur during our operation, or even within 40 jumps of it - no, we do not condone any sort of exploitative tactics. Honestly, for myself at least, I'm not even aware of these tactics. The horde kill is the first time I've heard of such a thing, using bms in an attempt to lag the opposition. continued due to character limit :/ ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:28:00 - [155] I think using exploits is retarded. I'm sure his CEO has spoken with him about it, to find out just what happened. If there was malicious intent, it will get dealt with. Moving on. Impressive victory for BoB. I was going to write up a more flowery post, but then all the animosity and wang waving convinced me otherwise. GM's in local, station ping pong, and whining. All the makings of a beautiful war. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:32:00 - [156] continued Just like I had never heard of such a horribly pansy tactic as dropping dozens of cans at a station undock point in order to lag and/or disrupt a pilots ability to undock. This tactic was used against us by none other than Sir Molle back when bob was actually trying to enforce their claim on Fountain a few months ago. Quote: [ 2006.09.02 12:13:54 ] batloard > please dont drop cans at undock point or i will petition [ 2006.09.02 12:14:10 ] Zenst > i was marking undock point [ 2006.09.02 12:14:19 ] Kazellis > were trading ammo [ 2006.09.02 12:14:22 ] batloard > ok further on, after a corpmate dies in an interceptor due to lag and inability to warp: [ 2006.09.02 12:30:34 ] Shrike > "i got bumped by a can since i undocked 20 times into 20 hostiles, i want my ship back" To be honest, I was shocked that pilots that I THOUGHT prided themselves on combat ability had to stoop so low. I still shake my head when I think of it :( ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:39:00 - [157] Originally by: pershphanie Thats to be expected from ASCN tbh. Apperantly ASCN likes to complain about things and then do them their self. (ex - AAA's alledged use of lag bombs, or how awfull bob members are for spamming the forums and "spinning stories" and then make threads like this). For some reason it is ok for ASCN to accuse someone of doing things which they consider horrible and then do the same things using the "well someone else did it first" clause. The only thing that suprising here is that CELES would fly with people using exploits. I am honestly shocked by that. For all the bad things that come to mind when I think of CELES there are a few positives that i did respect. The most important being CELES's clean game play. I'm not just talking about them not using exploits, that is a minimum standard that should be expected by everyone in eve. I've never known CELES to log off in combat, never use tactics which are questionable in terms of game mechanics, dishonor a 1v1, etc... It is a sad day for CELES. It appears they are willing to give up any moral highground they had left just to win a single battle against bob (well sort of bob, mostly xelas). My question to CELES is do you condone the use of boarderline tactics such as lagbombs? Were you aware such methods were going to be used in your op before it happend? If not do you plan to continue to fly with ASCN after they involved you directly in ops where such deplorable "tactics" were used? I'd hate to think CELES would just ignore such abominations. Say it aint so joe. Just because we ally ASCN doesn't mean we support borderline methods and tactics such as lagbombs. It's not like BOB support these methods and yet they are allied with people that do. You can't be responsible for other alliance members action and we can't either. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:42:00 - [158] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Quote: [ 2006.09.02 12:13:54 ] batloard > please dont drop cans at undock point or i will petition [ 2006.09.02 12:14:10 ] Zenst > i was marking undock point [ 2006.09.02 12:14:19 ] Kazellis > were trading ammo [ 2006.09.02 12:14:22 ] batloard > ok further on, after a corpmate dies in an interceptor due to lag and inability to warp: [ 2006.09.02 12:30:34 ] Shrike > "i got bumped by a can since i undocked 20 times into 20 hostiles, i want my ship back" To be honest, I was shocked that pilots that I THOUGHT prided themselves on combat ability had to stoop so low. I still shake my head when I think of it :( Dropping a few jetcans to mark spots for BMing isnt unusual. Nor is giving a corp mate ammo unusual nor is it exploitive in nature. I wasnt there, I can not comment further on that. First I've heard of it. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Buzee	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:44:00 - [159] Whatever it is dat BOb are saying, fact of the matter is that they will have to stop playing cards in tpar or whatever and move to sort out teh xelas station. that in itself is a victory because you have forced the enemy to come back home to dislodge you, even if it means just a fraction of bob is diverted from ascn space( i know even just 1 of BOB corps can sort it, its just the fact that they decided you have to come do it )null I have seen BOB recruit a lot of ****ty pilots into their ranks, some of them will be whipped into shape, some are just hardcoded with stupidity(no names heh. But I tell you, if everyone wants to have guaranteed pvp fun, now is time to rattle BOB, not by pos wars but by various large groups running thru their space. I guess if D2 (supposedly arch enemies who never want to fight BOB :/), AAA, V, LV, RZR,RAGOONS plus all the minor fanbois. BOB will be more than thrilled to the challenge. Ping ponging BOB in their space is the key. EVERYONE should eat out of BOB pie \o/
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:53:00 - [160] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Quote: [ 2006.09.02 12:13:54 ] batloard > please dont drop cans at undock point or i will petition [ 2006.09.02 12:14:10 ] Zenst > i was marking undock point [ 2006.09.02 12:14:19 ] Kazellis > were trading ammo [ 2006.09.02 12:14:22 ] batloard > ok further on, after a corpmate dies in an interceptor due to lag and inability to warp: [ 2006.09.02 12:30:34 ] Shrike > "i got bumped by a can since i undocked 20 times into 20 hostiles, i want my ship back" To be honest, I was shocked that pilots that I THOUGHT prided themselves on combat ability had to stoop so low. I still shake my head when I think of it :( Dropping a few jetcans to mark spots for BMing isnt unusual. Nor is giving a corp mate ammo unusual nor is it exploitive in nature. I wasnt there, I can not comment further on that. First I've heard of it. I was there. There were dozens of cans at the undock point. Here's some my contribution to local: [ 2006.09.02 12:14:48 ] Gyrn Fzirth > its not an exploit its there for a reason [ 2006.09.02 12:15:26 ] Zenst > is there some form of expliot with cans batloard? [ 2006.09.02 12:15:51 ] Gyrn Fzirth > yes [ 2006.09.02 12:16:07 ] Gyrn Fzirth > prevent alignment, additional lag [ 2006.09.02 12:16:25 ] Zenst > riiiight [ 2006.09.02 12:16:27 ] Gyrn Fzirth > dun matter [ 2006.09.02 12:16:47 ] Gyrn Fzirth > we don't have enough online to fight anyway [ 2006.09.02 12:16:56 ] batloard > i cant even ondock [ 2006.09.02 12:17:03 ] Rhakel > since when is it a human right to align and not drop a can? :/ [ 2006.09.02 12:17:19 ] Kazellis > duuuur [ 2006.09.02 12:17:22 ] Gyrn Fzirth > we could leave it up to a gm instead of speculate... [ 2006.09.02 12:17:24 ] Kazellis > you undocking is not the point ;) [ 2006.09.02 12:18:11 ] batloard > heres a thought, come back in an hour or so and we will have numbers [ 2006.09.02 12:18:13 ] LaughingClown > gyrn denied.. ohh wait... [ 2006.09.02 12:18:20 ] Gyrn Fzirth > ? [ 2006.09.02 12:18:52 ] Gyrn Fzirth > I don't really care. We all kill and are killed in turn [ 2006.09.02 12:19:13 ] Kazellis > Unfortunatly I enjoy making people suffer [ 2006.09.02 12:19:13 ] Gyrn Fzirth > tactics are just that [ 2006.09.02 12:19:19 ] Gyrn Fzirth > a means to accomplish a goal [ 2006.09.02 12:19:27 ] algorythm > kill? arent we all here to mine veldspar? :o [ 2006.09.02 12:19:30 ] Gyrn Fzirth > if the tactic is cheap, some people will go with it anyway [ 2006.09.02 12:19:47 ] Gyrn Fzirth > placing cans at an undock point may or may not be an exploit - I'm no gm so I can't say [ 2006.09.02 12:19:50 ] Gyrn Fzirth > but it is cheap [ 2006.09.02 12:19:56 ] Gyrn Fzirth > and its beneath pilots of your calibre [ 2006.09.02 12:22:25 ] Zenst > 4,234km exactly beneath me [ 2006.09.02 12:22:42 ] Zenst > cfost like 20 isk for the ammo [ 2006.09.02 12:22:54 ] Zenst > so yeah , your right [ 2006.09.02 12:23:12 ] Zenst > its cheap and beneath me [ 2006.09.02 12:23:20 ] Gyrn Fzirth > ok - its beneath SOME of your pilots calibre [ 2006.09.02 12:24:07 ] Zenst > it being there dosn;t effect your playing style in ANY way =========== Truthfully I was shocked - the leader of the single most powerful player force in the game and his massive fleet - exploiting game mechanics to gain an _advantage_ over a single corporation's pilots. That moment a large chunk of the respect I have for bob as a whole flew out the window. My respect or lack thereof probably means very little to you. To me, the respect of my friends and enemies is paramount, but I know not everyone thinks this way... ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:11:00 - [161] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Greetings Pershphanie. Answers and insights inline. explination: Thank you for the reasonable response. Few points though. I dont think having a few 500 isk mods on a ship shows intent. It just shows he grabbed a fitted t1 frig out of a hanger instead of an unfitted one, i dont think there is a deeper meaning behind that. The guy warped to a hostile pos in a t1 frig with a cargo full of bm's during a fleet. This action is pretty self explanitory. I wont debate how many bms or what the ship fittings of the t1 frig were as that is just tip-toeing arround/rationalizing the issue. Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth If you look closely at the ASCN killmail, you'll see that the pilot died in H8-ZTO. According to the map so conveniently placed on your killboard, that is precisely 43 jumps from PNQY-Y, where CELES and ASCN forces were operating. Saying the fight took place 43 jumps away is a valid point. You were not there phisically. This is true. However as demonstrated by coordinated CELES/ASCN ops in fountian you are to some extent allied with ASCN. So I guess my question is how many jumps away does CELES consider it acceptable for allies to start using exploits in a joint war effort? The same system is obviously not acceptable to you, thats good. Do you have a specific policy on this? Is it acceptable for your allies in a war to exploit 1 system out or do you do it by region? Or do you use a tier system depending on severity? (Example - logging off in combat is ok as long as they are in a different system, log on traps are legit as long as they are done in a different constalation, lag bombs ok in different regions, macro mining ok as log as its 2 regions away.) Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth no, we do not condone any sort of exploitative tactics. ofc not. I do not believe CELES would ever use such tactics. But more specifically my question is; Do you ally/fly with pilots who do use those tactics? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:23:00 - [162] ASCN does not condone use of exploits. Official standing. Of course that is not something that BOB FORUM SQUAD OMGBBQ likes to hear so they invent incidents (honest, I saw it, he really did have bookmarks in his can) or they hammer repeatedly about a single member who did have the bookmarks (and is possibly a BOB spy cause hey... its just like recording teamspeak, screenshooting forums, giving fake info on teamspeak and the other BOBtics). ¼+¼ a history
Uglyone Deep Can Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:24:00 - [163] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Greetings Pershphanie. Answers and insights inline. explination: Thank you for the reasonable response. Few points though. I dont think having a few 500 isk mods on a ship shows intent. It just shows he grabbed a fitted t1 frig out of a hanger instead of an unfitted one, i dont think there is a deeper meaning behind that. The guy warped to a hostile pos in a t1 frig with a cargo full of bm's during a fleet. This action is pretty self explanitory. I wont debate how many bms or what the ship fittings of the t1 frig were as that is just tip-toeing arround/rationalizing the issue. Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth If you look closely at the ASCN killmail, you'll see that the pilot died in H8-ZTO. According to the map so conveniently placed on your killboard, that is precisely 43 jumps from PNQY-Y, where CELES and ASCN forces were operating. Saying the fight took place 43 jumps away is a valid point. You were not there phisically. This is true. However as demonstrated by coordinated CELES/ASCN ops in fountian you are to some extent allied with ASCN. So I guess my question is how many jumps away does CELES consider it acceptable for allies to start using exploits in a joint war effort? The same system is obviously not acceptable to you, thats good. Do you have a specific policy on this? Is it acceptable for your allies in a war to exploit 1 system out or do you do it by region? Or do you use a tier system depending on severity? (Example - logging off in combat is ok as long as they are in a different system, log on traps are legit as long as they are done in a different constalation, lag bombs ok in different regions, macro mining ok as log as its 2 regions away.) Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth no, we do not condone any sort of exploitative tactics. ofc not. I do not believe CELES would ever use such tactics. But more specifically my question is; Do you ally/fly with pilots who do use those tactics? before you ask anyone else that question why dont you ask yourself. your whole argument looks like a troll.
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:32:00 - [164] 2006.10.26 09:23:05 Notify The station Yoshimi Outpost has been captured by Dark Nebula Gallente Division corporation! Good to see how well defended 4 Large POS's and 1 Small POS plus the Outpost was . . .
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:32:00 - [165] Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 26/10/2006 09:34:04 Originally by: pershphanie Thank you for the reasonable response. Few points though. I dont think having a few 500 isk mods on a ship shows intent. It just shows he grabbed a fitted t1 frig out of a hanger instead of an unfitted one, i dont think there is a deeper meaning behind that. The guy warped to a hostile pos in a t1 frig with a cargo full of bm's during a fleet. This action is pretty self explanitory. I wont debate how many bms or what the ship fittings of the t1 frig were as that is just tip-toeing arround/rationalizing the issue. It at least shows the _possibility_ of intent, vs having no mods at all. As I said some few posts above, it may have been an attempt at exploitative tactics - I wasn't there and can't state with any authority one way or the other. Originally by: pershphanie Saying the fight took place 43 jumps away is a valid point. You were not there phisically. This is true. However as demonstrated by coordinated CELES/ASCN ops in fountian you are to some extent allied with ASCN. So I guess my question is how many jumps away does CELES consider it acceptable for allies to start using exploits in a joint war effort? The same system is obviously not acceptable to you, thats good. Do you have a specific policy on this? Is it acceptable for your allies in a war to exploit 1 system out or do you do it by region? Or do you use a tier system depending on severity? (Example - logging off in combat is ok as long as they are in a different system, log on traps are legit as long as they are done in a different constalation, lag bombs ok in different regions, macro mining ok as log as its 2 regions away.) The operations in H8 have nothing to do with CELES other than they have the same goal of making bob assets explode. Anything that occurs in H8 is irrelevant to the discussion of Xelas or CELES as neither have pilots or assets in or even near it. In other words, there's no joint op between CELES and ASCN anywhere other than PNQY-Y (yet.) We aren't in any sort of alliance with anyone other than ourselves. We coordinate with organizations that have similar goals, most of which have policies that differ from our own. If an alliance can't keep their pilots from exploiting, how could we be expected to keep a friendly organization's pilots in line? Short form: Exploiting sucks, but its up to the exploiter's leadership to appropriately deal with each incident as it occurs. With that being said, what if the leadership condones or even make use of exploits themselves? Witness Sir Molle/Shrike in a-1 via chatlogs I've pasted above. Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth no, we do not condone any sort of exploitative tactics. ofc not. I do not believe CELES would ever use such tactics. But more specifically my question is; Do you ally/fly with pilots who do use those tactics? How are we supposed to decide that? Someone comes to us and asks for or offers assistance, should we ask "do you or your pilots exploit?" Of course the answer will be no, regardless of the truth. We know which organizations are more trustworthy than others and act accordingly. Let me give you an example that may hit close to home, and our hypothetical response. In the chatlogs I posted, wherein Sir Molle was directing his pilots to drop cans at the station's undock point, had the situation been similar but different - lets say a friendly alliance and CELES combined forces locking down a system - CELES would not have participated in the tactics considered exploitative, and if it was egregious enough, probably have broken off from the op entirely. We would've had words with the leadership of the pilots that were using the exploitative tactics to resolve the issue to the point where noone is exploiting, or we are not involved. Contrast that with Sir Molle, and there you have the difference between CELES and BoB, beyond the numbers and assets. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:33:00 - [166] Originally by: SmEdD 2006.10.26 09:23:05 Notify The station Yoshimi Outpost has been captured by Dark Nebula Gallente Division corporation! Good to see how well defended 4 Large POS's and 1 Small POS plus the Outpost was . . . The POS'es are still there. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:39:00 - [167] I have stated on other posts within the EVE forums. Dark left Xelas as we had achieved what we set out to achieve. We built the outpost and increased the activity. On Sunday Dark and Nophex Quit the alliance. This resulted in 200 in game members leaving an alliance of 1800. A bug resulted in the outpost system losing sov at exactly the same time. (Our death stars were pulled down a few days before, but another alliance corp had put some up some 6 days previous) GMs stopped celes from taking the station, so I assume Celes asked ASCN for some assistance. ACSN got a big fleet together and went and picked on the little kids. Not overly immpressed to be honest, I would prefer to see ASCN defend their own space. As for it being the end to Xelas, I severly doubt that. Xelas have lived in fountain for a long time, they did not have an outpost for the majority of that time. They didnt even really use the stations. My sizable corp lived quite comfortably out of 2 large pos. The ingame mechanics allow you to do everything at a pos if you have the logistics in place. (except refine loot! which sucks tbh) As for Dark knowing something of the invasion. Well to be honest I expected an attempt by Celes, but the ASCN involvment was surprising. Xelas had just lost two major corps, a leader and some heavily armed towers protecting the outpost. It was the perfect time to strike. As for getting one over on bob? well thats just rubbish, bob had no involvement in the outpost at all in fact only one bob corp even had an office there. I built the outpost running several accounts. The man hours were from my corp in the main with a fleet supporting from xelas corps on the day of deployment. I also paid for the majority of the outpost, so as for a great blow to xelas, I dont think so. Since im the only person here who sweated over it I think they will be alright. I would recommend BOB do not waste there time taking the outpost back. Go squeeze ASCNS balls in the south they will leave Celes to it. Then Xelas will have no issues taking the station back themselves.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:42:00 - [168] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Truthfully I was shocked - the leader of the single most powerful player force in the game and his massive fleet - exploiting game mechanics to gain an _advantage_ over a single corporation's pilots. That moment a large chunk of the respect I have for bob as a whole flew out the window. My respect or lack thereof probably means very little to you. To me, the respect of my friends and enemies is paramount, but I know not everyone thinks this way... Sorry. I dont see the exploit there. I wasnt there so I'll have to speculate. Please do not consider my response as actual facts of the event since I really do not know what happened. There is a BIG difference between filling a ship full of information (bms) for the purpose of causing the server to have to process more information causing the delay and putting up cans for you to bumb into to distract someones warp. (again, im just assuming that is what happend. i dont really know). Intentionally causing the server delay is going outside game mechanics because the server is an external force that would not exist in an actual galaxy(in an RP sense). You can not buy a server in jita (would be nice though). You can not buy a CCP server hacking skill nor is there a BPO for a CCP server delay modual. A jet can is a "real" item in eve. All ships really can produce them. If you were really flying a space ship out of a space station and someone placed cans in front of the undocking bay you really might bump into them. They really might cause issues with your allignment. These cans are capible of carrying loads as big as small ships. If you were flying a space ship (even a large one) and you bumped into something as large as a space shuttle you might notice it. When someone takes a physical object that exists in the eve universe and uses it to their advantage to destroy an enemy that is REALISTIC and completly within game mechanics. This is very much different than using server lag, somthing that doesnt exist in the eve galaxy(in an RP sense. hold off on the ***ing wise!). As an experiment go out to your driveway, put a couple dozen metal garbage cans behind your car, back out through them. See if it has an effect on your cars allignment. Ill bet there is a chance it might. Thats what putting jet cans in from of a station would do. Realistic and inside game mechanics. Then do a second experiment. Go on mapquest and print out 500 sets of driving directions. Then run out into the street and throw all of those directions up in the air at the same time. See if life moves in slow motion for the next hour or if life suddenly ceases to exist for the next 20 minutes causing you to uncontrolably run out into a busy intersection when life starts up again. I'm pretty sure that wouldnt happen. Unrealistic and outside game mechanics. See the difference? Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:49:00 - [169] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I have stated on other posts within the EVE forums. Dark left Xelas as we had achieved what we set out to achieve. We built the outpost and increased the activity. On Sunday Dark and Nophex Quit the alliance. This resulted in 200 in game members leaving an alliance of 1800. A bug resulted in the outpost system losing sov at exactly the same time. (Our death stars were pulled down a few days before, but another alliance corp had put some up some 6 days previous) GMs stopped celes from taking the station, so I assume Celes asked ASCN for some assistance. ACSN got a big fleet together and went and picked on the little kids. Not overly immpressed to be honest, I would prefer to see ASCN defend their own space. As for it being the end to Xelas, I severly doubt that. Xelas have lived in fountain for a long time, they did not have an outpost for the majority of that time. They didnt even really use the stations. My sizable corp lived quite comfortably out of 2 large pos. The ingame mechanics allow you to do everything at a pos if you have the logistics in place. (except refine loot! which sucks tbh) As for Dark knowing something of the invasion. Well to be honest I expected an attempt by Celes, but the ASCN involvment was surprising. Xelas had just lost two major corps, a leader and some heavily armed towers protecting the outpost. It was the perfect time to strike. As for getting one over on bob? well thats just rubbish, bob had no involvement in the outpost at all in fact only one bob corp even had an office there. I built the outpost running several accounts. The man hours were from my corp in the main with a fleet supporting from xelas corps on the day of deployment. I also paid for the majority of the outpost, so as for a great blow to xelas, I dont think so. Since im the only person here who sweated over it I think they will be alright. I would recommend BOB do not waste there time taking the outpost back. Go squeeze ASCNS balls in the south they will leave Celes to it. Then Xelas will have no issues taking the station back themselves. You're neglecting the fact that you had bob assist by camping CELES for two days straight while you deployed the outpost. Also, from the Alliances info page on Eve-Online.com: XS consists of 11 member corporations, 512 pilots reside under its sovereignty. Now, I may not be a math whiz, but 1800 - 200 is equal to 1600. That means roughly 1088 pilots have left in the mean time. What gives? Is my math wrong? Is the Eve-Online.com alliance info page out of date? At the bottom of the page it says "pages generated daily" so I don't believe so. Dark jumped an embattled, sinking ship and hastened its demise. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:55:00 - [170] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Truthfully I was shocked - the leader of the single most powerful player force in the game and his massive fleet - exploiting game mechanics to gain an _advantage_ over a single corporation's pilots. That moment a large chunk of the respect I have for bob as a whole flew out the window. My respect or lack thereof probably means very little to you. To me, the respect of my friends and enemies is paramount, but I know not everyone thinks this way... Sorry. I dont see the exploit there. I wasnt there so I'll have to speculate. Please do not consider my response as actual facts of the event since I really do not know what happened. There is a BIG difference between filling a ship full of information (bms) for the purpose of causing the server to have to process more information causing the delay and putting up cans for you to bumb into to distract someones warp. (again, im just assuming that is what happend. i dont really know). Intentionally causing the server delay is going outside game mechanics because the server is an external force that would not exist in an actual galaxy(in an RP sense). You can not buy a server in jita (would be nice though). You can not buy a CCP server hacking skill nor is there a BPO for a CCP server delay modual. A jet can is a "real" item in eve. All ships really can produce them. If you were really flying a space ship out of a space station and someone placed cans in front of the undocking bay you really might bump into them. They really might cause issues with your allignment. These cans are capible of carrying loads as big as small ships. If you were flying a space ship (even a large one) and you bumped into something as large as a space shuttle you might notice it. When someone takes a physical object that exists in the eve universe and uses it to their advantage to destroy an enemy that is REALISTIC and completly within game mechanics. This is very much different than using server lag, somthing that doesnt exist in the eve galaxy(in an RP sense. hold off on the *****ing wise!). As an experiment go out to your driveway, put a couple dozen metal garbage cans behind your car, back out through them. See if it has an effect on your cars allignment. Ill bet there is a chance it might. Thats what putting jet cans in from of a station would do. Realistic and inside game mechanics. Then do a second experiment. Go on mapquest and print out 500 sets of driving directions. Then run out into the street and throw all of those directions up in the air at the same time. See if life moves in slow motion for the next hour or if life suddenly ceases to exist for the next 20 minutes causing you to uncontrolably run out into a busy intersection when life starts up again. I'm pretty sure that wouldnt happen. Unrealistic and outside game mechanics. See the difference? You may or may not have noticed one of my statements during the event - I'll repost it here for clarity: [ 2006.09.02 12:19:47 ] Gyrn Fzirth > placing cans at an undock point may or may not be an exploit - I'm no gm so I can't say [ 2006.09.02 12:19:50 ] Gyrn Fzirth > but it is cheap [ 2006.09.02 12:19:56 ] Gyrn Fzirth > and its beneath pilots of your calibre For all I know it is within game mechanics. As most things it is probably situational. One thing I DO know is that, if it was within game mechanics it was cheap. Cheap tactics at a MINIMUM - at maximum an exploit of game mechanics (load more crap on screen == more lag - out of game effect per your own explanation) were expressed there. The fact that the leadership of BoB had to stoop so low sends some clear messages... for those with eyes or ears... or a heartbeat. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:55:00 - [171] gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:58:00 - [172] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers.... ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:02:00 - [173] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers.... Xelas have 1607 members Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:03:00 - [174] Originally by: Mitch Taylor I have stated on other posts within the EVE forums. Dark left Xelas as we had achieved what we set out to achieve. We built the outpost and increased the activity. On Sunday Dark and Nophex Quit the alliance. This resulted in 200 in game members leaving an alliance of 1800. A bug resulted in the outpost system losing sov at exactly the same time. (Our death stars were pulled down a few days before, but another alliance corp had put some up some 6 days previous) GMs stopped celes from taking the station, so I assume Celes asked ASCN for some assistance. ACSN got a big fleet together and went and picked on the little kids. Not overly immpressed to be honest, I would prefer to see ASCN defend their own space. As for it being the end to Xelas, I severly doubt that. Xelas have lived in fountain for a long time, they did not have an outpost for the majority of that time. They didnt even really use the stations. My sizable corp lived quite comfortably out of 2 large pos. The ingame mechanics allow you to do everything at a pos if you have the logistics in place. (except refine loot! which sucks tbh) As for Dark knowing something of the invasion. Well to be honest I expected an attempt by Celes, but the ASCN involvment was surprising. Xelas had just lost two major corps, a leader and some heavily armed towers protecting the outpost. It was the perfect time to strike. As for getting one over on bob? well thats just rubbish, bob had no involvement in the outpost at all in fact only one bob corp even had an office there. I built the outpost running several accounts. The man hours were from my corp in the main with a fleet supporting from xelas corps on the day of deployment. I also paid for the majority of the outpost, so as for a great blow to xelas, I dont think so. Since im the only person here who sweated over it I think they will be alright. I would recommend BOB do not waste there time taking the outpost back. Go squeeze ASCNS balls in the south they will leave Celes to it. Then Xelas will have no issues taking the station back themselves. Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:04:00 - [175] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers.... Im thinking you talk too much? Am I wrong?
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:05:00 - [176] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Mitch Taylor I have stated on other posts within the EVE forums. Dark left Xelas as we had achieved what we set out to achieve. We built the outpost and increased the activity. On Sunday Dark and Nophex Quit the alliance. This resulted in 200 in game members leaving an alliance of 1800. A bug resulted in the outpost system losing sov at exactly the same time. (Our death stars were pulled down a few days before, but another alliance corp had put some up some 6 days previous) GMs stopped celes from taking the station, so I assume Celes asked ASCN for some assistance. ACSN got a big fleet together and went and picked on the little kids. Not overly immpressed to be honest, I would prefer to see ASCN defend their own space. As for it being the end to Xelas, I severly doubt that. Xelas have lived in fountain for a long time, they did not have an outpost for the majority of that time. They didnt even really use the stations. My sizable corp lived quite comfortably out of 2 large pos. The ingame mechanics allow you to do everything at a pos if you have the logistics in place. (except refine loot! which sucks tbh) As for Dark knowing something of the invasion. Well to be honest I expected an attempt by Celes, but the ASCN involvment was surprising. Xelas had just lost two major corps, a leader and some heavily armed towers protecting the outpost. It was the perfect time to strike. As for getting one over on bob? well thats just rubbish, bob had no involvement in the outpost at all in fact only one bob corp even had an office there. I built the outpost running several accounts. The man hours were from my corp in the main with a fleet supporting from xelas corps on the day of deployment. I also paid for the majority of the outpost, so as for a great blow to xelas, I dont think so. Since im the only person here who sweated over it I think they will be alright. I would recommend BOB do not waste there time taking the outpost back. Go squeeze ASCNS balls in the south they will leave Celes to it. Then Xelas will have no issues taking the station back themselves. Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi. It'll be like that for a minimum of 4 more days, until someone's pos can claim sovereignty. You'll see the station go back and forth. Congrats though :) ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:05:00 - [177] Originally by: Proxay Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi. Good Lad, I knew you would.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:07:00 - [178] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You're neglecting the fact that you had bob assist by camping CELES for two days straight while you deployed the outpost. EDIT: retracted statements based on incorrect information Dark jumped an embattled, sinking ship and hastened its demise. This is not correct, I timed assembling the outpost with your greater half outbreak leaving you to npc in core. There was no BOB camp in Core at the time of deployment 0600 hrs and there was no celes attempt to stop us putting it up. Kind regards,
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:11:00 - [179] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You're neglecting the fact that you had bob assist by camping CELES for two days straight while you deployed the outpost. EDIT: retracted statements based on incorrect information Dark jumped an embattled, sinking ship and hastened its demise. This is not correct, I timed assembling the outpost with your greater half outbreak leaving you to npc in core. There was no BOB camp in Core at the time of deployment 0600 hrs and there was no celes attempt to stop us putting it up. Kind regards, Which date, specifically? Bob only camped us with any vigor for a few days. Before they did so, no outpost. After they did so, outpost. As soon as the outpost was up, bob left. There's no coincidence there. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:15:00 - [180] u say bob camped you, but thats wrong mate, it was only bnc that camped you in - and we are still not sure why u didnt fight. short summary of the events, when bnc moved in we had a few small skirmishes, 50/50 favour from what i saw, (3bs fights that sort of crap) and then we had a large fleet fight that ended well for us, and after that u guys hardly sowed urselfes for a week and a bit longer, oretty broing where we mostly sat at the station, even went ratting and went sometimes after some lone ratters of urs. int hat time we had only very few engagements, then bnc moved out, not deeming it worth staying there. as i said, we didnt understand why u hardly logged on anymore, giving us the challenge u couldve given us. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:15:00 - [181] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You're neglecting the fact that you had bob assist by camping CELES for two days straight while you deployed the outpost. EDIT: retracted statements based on incorrect information Dark jumped an embattled, sinking ship and hastened its demise. This is not correct, I timed assembling the outpost with your greater half outbreak leaving you to npc in core. There was no BOB camp in Core at the time of deployment 0600 hrs and there was no celes attempt to stop us putting it up. Kind regards, Which date, specifically? Bob only camped us with any vigor for a few days. Before they did so, no outpost. After they did so, outpost. As soon as the outpost was up, bob left. There's no coincidence there. I have a feeling you have no clue? Who are you anyway.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:18:00 - [182] Originally by: Proxay Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi. hope you can keep it :) The Master Of Chaos
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:20:00 - [183] Edited by: Joe Bloggers on 26/10/2006 10:20:23 Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth It'll be like that for a minimum of 4 more days, until someone's pos can claim sovereignty. You'll see the station go back and forth. Congrats though :) Does that mean anyone who wants a outpost for the minute can just head there and shoot it and claim that they took a outpost? At least until the pos claims soverenity 4 days from now? Man, I wonder what would happen if a NPC corp shot the station to claim it.... Just an Average Joe!
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:27:00 - [184] Originally by: Joe Bloggers Edited by: Joe Bloggers on 26/10/2006 10:20:23 Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth It'll be like that for a minimum of 4 more days, until someone's pos can claim sovereignty. You'll see the station go back and forth. Congrats though :) Does that mean anyone who wants a outpost for the minute can just head there and shoot it and claim that they took a outpost? At least until the pos claims soverenity 4 days from now? Man, I wonder what would happen if a NPC corp shot the station to claim it.... That is exactly correct. I believe its the final blow on the outpost that claims it - some noob in Republic University very well could claim the outpost if he gets a shot in with his civ autocannon at the right time :) Who am I? Just a grunt - front line for CELES since 2003. As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:42:00 - [185] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened. Im not contesting your Celes membership prowess. Im simply stating that when I built the outpost celes were neither a problem nor were they camped in core by bob. They were simply not there at all. Im not willing to agrue with a grunt (your words). My reputation in game and on this forum will tell you I do not entertain myself with spin, I will simply reply to posts to clarify FACT.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:44:00 - [186] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth As for having no clue, on some things you are right. I will never claim to be omnicient. However, I can put 2 and 2 together quite readily - bob comes and camps us senseless for a few days (we still get out and get some fights and kills but far fewer than we're used to.) When bob leaves, there's an outpost in PNQY-Y. I'm no genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out what happened. Im not contesting your Celes membership prowess. Im simply stating that when I built the outpost celes were neither a problem nor were they camped in core by bob. They were simply not there at all. Im not willing to agrue with a grunt (your words). My reputation in game and on this forum will tell you I do not entertain myself with spin, I will simply reply to posts to clarify FACT. So, then clarify my question. When, precisely, did you put up the outpost? Even just a date will be sufficient. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:50:00 - [187] Originally by: Riddari Of course that is not something that BOB FORUM SQUAD OMGBBQ.likes to hear so they invent incidents (honest, I saw it, he really did have bookmarks in his can) Let me see if I understand this. You say bob invented the incident and then in the very next sentance you admit to seeing the incident for yourself? Well at least ASCN would never lower itself to the use of propaganda and untruthfull spin. Brilliant. 10/10 Originally by: Riddari its just like recording teamspeak, screenshooting forums, giving fake info on teamspeak and the other BOBtics). Oh but it most certainly is not. See my previous post for my "mapquest experiment". This clearly shows how the creation of artificial lag is outside game mechanics. Espionage, Sabotage, and Psycological warfare are as old as warfare itself. The thing about these tactics is they are REAL. They are something that actually happen in most conflicts. Military organisations really do intercept communications (just like TS and forum spys), attempt to relay false information (like the oh so hilarious fake "warp to" instructions given on your TS, etc. The word exploit is being used far too losely and selectivly by your alliance in an attempt by your leadership to explain to its members why they lose every single fleet battle. Your leadership does this because they are scared to death that members of your alliance might realize that the reason they are losing is because they dont work well as a group together in real combat situations. Dont get me wrong, im sure as a group you guys are very good together in many aspects of the game. You just happen to come up short in one area, PVP. Unfortunatly that may be the single most important requirement in holding 0.0 space. You come up short in the military leadership dept. Sheer numbers does not cover that up. Numbers can make it easier but there is more alot more to warfare than number of troops, just ask Julius Caesar. ASCN leadership is fully aware that if their membership figures out the extent of your military leadership deficency half your members would leave. In order to prevent a mass exodus of pvp pilots from ASCN your leadership needs to come up with stories for why after this long you still can not manage to hold things together in a simple fleet battle. That is why we hear so much from you guys about how we use hax, exploits, etc in order to win. Saying "bob 'sploits" is a clear, simple message that everyone in your alliance even those who lack intelegence or members who are not paying close attention can understand. Im not saying ASCN members are stupid. im saying when you get a group of 5000 people together there are always some morons. those morons always seem to be very vocal in mob mentality situations(ex- me! woot!). A short simple explination is the basic element of the propaganda ASCN feeds its members. With out the "bob hax" explination for why you lose every fleet battle against us your membership just might start to think that militarily ASCN is just Xetic with higher moral. Next time you use the word exploit think about what that means. Are you really refering to something that could not happen in real galactic warfare? If you are than call a spade a spade. Or could that tactic be used in a real situation even if the tactic is unusual (like blocking a docking bay)? If so STFU! No one wants to hear you cry about nothing. The first step to success is admitting your failures so you can correct them. Carisma and confidence isnt the end all of leadership. Its nice that ASCN leadership can say things that sound believable to their members, its good to be able to rally people. However those things are NOT the only aspects of leadership you need to be sucessful. CLS/EDF/ETC have been fighting together for years. If cyvok and co havent put together a quality military by now, its not going to happen. Sorry Xetic. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:07:00 - [188] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers.... Im thinking you talk too much? Am I wrong? What about you Mitch, you talk to much? you little victim in distress "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:11:00 - [189] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq gyrn you have too look at the in-game alliance rankings for correct member number. I'm busy slaving away on 15 different remote consoles. For my edification and that of the eve public, what is the current number? If I'm way off I'll happily retract my statements based on significantly incorrect numbers.... Im thinking you talk too much? Am I wrong? What about you Mitch, you talk to much? you little victim in distress I dont post on forums enough to be accused of that. I am not even a little bit distressed sextus, why would you think that?
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:13:00 - [190] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth For all I know it is within game mechanics. As most things it is probably situational. One thing I DO know is that, if it was within game mechanics it was cheap. Cheap tactics at a MINIMUM - at maximum an exploit of game mechanics (load more crap on screen == more lag - out of game effect per your own explanation) were expressed there. The fact that the leadership of BoB had to stoop so low sends some clear messages... for those with eyes or ears... or a heartbeat. Sorry but I dont see the exploit still. Creative or unorthodox techniques does not = exploit. Those cans were placed outside the station for the specific purpose of bumping your ship. That may be something you arent used to, but that doesnt make it a cheap tactic or an exploit. Those cans are intended to be a physical barricade in so you wouldnt excape. hat was their intended purpose. That is well inside game mechanics and not in the slightest bit a cheap tactic let alone an exploit. You not enjoying something as unusual as it might be does not make it cheap. That is in no way more cheap than gurilla warfare which was once thought to be cheap for similar reasons. Flying a t1 frig full of BM's into a pos where a fleet battle is taking place has one purpose and one purpose only. To make the server (which is external to the eve galaxy) generate lag. Since this sole purpose of this action is designed to manipulate forces that do not exist(in an rp sense) it is considered OUTSIDE game mechanics. Barricades are designed to manipulate forces INSIDE they game with objects that exist in eve. It is very much a different thing. If a byproduct of the situation is unintentional lag that is not the fault of bob members that placed those cans. Forming a fleet causes lag. Do you think forming a fleet is exploiting? I do understand why you are having problems seeing the difference. The difference is intent to some extent which you probably find subjective. I do not find it subjective at all. There is one reason and one reason only to fly a t1 frig full of bms into a pos. There is also a clear reason of why people would place those cans infront of a station hangerbay. To bumb your ship out of line so they can kill you. While that tactic does use out of the box thinking it is in fact not exploting nor is it metagaming. It is simply creativity. understand? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:22:00 - [191] Ok, found your post about the outpost, Mitch. It was made on the 17th of September - if that is after your outpost went up, bob were definitely in the area - lots of our members lost ships over the course of 5 days spanning September 12th through the 17th, most of which were killed by bob in core. These were the days we were most heavily camped. Incidentally, during that time frame 9-12-06 00:00 through 9-17-06 23:59, we were killed 34 times in various ships. We killed a variety of bob and lapdogs - 176 in total - during that same timeframe. The days we were camped the heaviest by bob - the 14th and the 15th - we had 18 kills for 22 losses (OW!) As of the 18th, bob is no longer camping us senseless, but still maintaining a presence in core. So, tell me again that Bob weren't in core camping us senseless in the timeframe in which your outpost went up? ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:29:00 - [192] Originally by: LordChaos Originally by: Proxay Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi. hope you can keep it :) Plz more bitterness about the staion u couldnt keep for even 1 day , this makes me even more happy , more "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:33:00 - [193] who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye. Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail. d solo.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:36:00 - [194] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: LordChaos Originally by: Proxay Sorry mate, but we just reclaimed Yoshimi. hope you can keep it :) Plz more bitterness about the staion u couldnt keep for even 1 day , this makes me even more happy , more who ever said we wanted to keep it? we just dont want them to have it :) and sorry to disappoint we do have lives and cant camp it for 23/7 let them take it and we take it and they take it , until sov is up and they cant take it back. OR BoB comes to help and that would make us all very happy :) Yaz its a game after all :) The Master Of Chaos
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:04:00 - [195] Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye. Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail. d solo. deep breaths darth. Its all gonna be alright.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:08:00 - [196] Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye. Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail. d solo. awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin. So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:10:00 - [197] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye. Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail. d solo. awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin. So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably. Just because you're the current target doesn't mean you're the endgame. Our goals reach past lapdogs and in to the belly of the beast. You are a means to an end and nothing more. ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:10:00 - [198] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: darth solo who is gyrn some1 asked?. hes a guy i spent ALOT of time getting into celes apoc, headhunted in fact.. hes 10x the fighter any xelas is and speaks for celes as a corp leader, thats who he is. hes a guy that was blowing up pirates when eve started. not mining ore and brownnosing the strongest just so you could "survive". aye. Xelas my mission is your destruction, i never fail. d solo. awwww how cute...there there darthy, take it easy, pop a riddalin. So, I see you're no longer intrested in BoB, now just xelas, and since you've been here for 3 odd months or something, you're failing miserably. In what way are we failing? Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:11:00 - [199] 3 months, we aint dead.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Proxay 3 months, we aint dead. You are alive we know but that doesn't mean we are failing. With 4000+ kills during our campaign I can't see how it is a failure for us. Even your own killboard shows what we have achieved when 15 of our pilots are ranked in the top 25 pvpers. You are not dead but you are struggling. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:51:00 - [201] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Ok, found your post about the outpost, Mitch. It was made on the 17th of September - if that is after your outpost went up, bob were definitely in the area - lots of our members lost ships over the course of 5 days spanning September 12th through the 17th, most of which were killed by bob in core. These were the days we were most heavily camped. Incidentally, during that time frame 9-12-06 00:00 through 9-17-06 23:59, we were killed 34 times in various ships. We killed a variety of bob and lapdogs - 176 in total - during that same timeframe. The days we were camped the heaviest by bob - the 14th and the 15th - we had 18 kills for 22 losses (OW!) As of the 18th, bob is no longer camping us senseless, but still maintaining a presence in core. So, tell me again that Bob weren't in core camping us senseless in the timeframe in which your outpost went up? BoB as an alliance was not deployed to camp you in the core to prevent you interfering with the Xelas outpost. BNC was not deployed to Fountain to stop you interfering with the Xelas outpost. BNC as part of BoB was deployed to Fountain to fight you guys as we really had nothing else to do. If you check your kill and loss mails you will see they almost entirely comprise BNC pilots.
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:54:00 - [202] Heya Mitch. I really dont mean to sound like a ***, but in reffrence to our last (quiet a while back) convo ingame, i gotta say this: "I mofoking told u so". Originally by:** End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:16:00 - [203] Originally by: pershphanie Sorry but I dont see the exploit still. Creative or unorthodox techniques does not = exploit. Those cans were placed outside the station for the specific purpose of bumping your ship. That may be something you arent used to, but that doesnt make it a cheap tactic or an exploit. Those cans are intended to be a physical barricade in so you wouldnt excape. hat was their intended purpose. That is well inside game mechanics and not in the slightest bit a cheap tactic let alone an exploit. You not enjoying something as unusual as it might be does not make it cheap. That is in no way more cheap than gurilla warfare which was once thought to be cheap for similar reasons. Flying a t1 frig full of BM's into a pos where a fleet battle is taking place has one purpose and one purpose only. To make the server (which is external to the eve galaxy) generate lag. Since this sole purpose of this action is designed to manipulate forces that do not exist(in an rp sense) it is considered OUTSIDE game mechanics. Barricades are designed to manipulate forces INSIDE they game with objects that exist in eve. It is very much a different thing. If a byproduct of the situation is unintentional lag that is not the fault of bob members that placed those cans. Forming a fleet causes lag. Do you think forming a fleet is exploiting? I do understand why you are having problems seeing the difference. The difference is intent to some extent which you probably find subjective. I do not find it subjective at all. There is one reason and one reason only to fly a t1 frig full of bms into a pos. There is also a clear reason of why people would place those cans infront of a station hangerbay. To bumb your ship out of line so they can kill you. While that tactic does use out of the box thinking it is in fact not exploting nor is it metagaming. It is simply creativity. understand? BS...you know what that many cans do to a grid, who gives a **** about the intention, we all know what the side effect is. It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect. When you put up cans all over the grid, its going to lag the grid for anyway warping in. I understand that it has a nice side effect of bumping ships, but if it lags the grid...its cheap. If CCP decides they dont want to allow this cheap tactic its an exploit. That is a dev decision on this one, not a player decision. Anyone here play L2. Anyone remember when peeps started dropping all their money on the ground outside castle gates to lag the attacker. Super cheap tactic. Devs said it was okay, so not an exploit. Most people /cancel (not the only reason most of us quit, but it was a big reason for alot of folks). CCP call on this one. But if they want to let lag become a an valid tactic...why bother playing.
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:33:00 - [204] i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog... lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named "ASCN DIED" I will make u into biosource...
Snake7474 Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:37:00 - [205]
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:38:00 - [206] Dropping cans at undock points / bubble warpin points etc has existed since i started playing the game, for ship bumping purposes. thats some 2 + years. I belive many people like yourself already petitioned this 5000 times if not more, and yet, the tactic still stands for so long - unnerfed, and even ignored by the GM's. Conclusion: Legit. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:40:00 - [207] your thinking of .5. not Xelas
Empress Xandra Amarr Zer0 ToLeRaNcE	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:43:00 - [208] Originally by: UGWidowmaker i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog... lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named "ASCN DIED" even the readers know your bob's lapdogs
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:48:00 - [209] Edited by: Proxay on 26/10/2006 14:49:31 Originally by: Empress Xandra Originally by: UGWidowmaker i just need to laugh at all this... we all know what is true and not. celestiel spin wont work. and u dare calling xelas lapdogs ? hmmm who is the real lapdog ? did we call in bob ? hmm did u call in ascn ? ROFL... now let those reading this decide who is the real lapdog... lets fight some more celest... ascn can stay too if they really feel the need to be in fountain instead of where they are getting owend. i supose they moved there cap fleet out so it would be safe when bob is taking everything they own.. Maybe this topic should have been named "ASCN DIED" even the readers know your bob's lapdogs Oh, I'm sure you're well educated on Xelas, would you care to inform me, and my alliance how we are bob's lapdogs... a) They dont ask for isk b) They dont ask for ships c) They dont ask for favours d) They only treat us with the utmost regard and friendship, and same unto the Horde. So, who are you, and where are you getting this distorted idea on the situation?
Assens Letta The Huns THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:51:00 - [210] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth CLS != CELES. CLS is Celestial Horizon corp - no relation whatsoever to CELES Celestial Apocalypse sry m8, u guys all look alike to me, speacialy when ASCN came running to help Celes do something they could not do by themselves... conquer an Outpost... is still still yours (even with ASCN help) ? Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You can however enlighten the broader EvE community by explaining precisely WHY you guys left Xelas :) I already know the answers, but the greater community is probably interested, now that you've tried to shut down discussion of it. shall we say 170 years old and thank u ? as for Xendie... u seem too much inclined to say someones is a noob, well tbh i dont care what u think, for someone who is as badly missinformed as u are u seem eager to call names instead of talking truth, i claimed that it can happen, u mention 2 name... what does that prove ? that some ppl have RL issues that need to be resolved (that was OOC in case u didnt noticed)? Originally by: Xendie low really low Xelas and HORDE. spin has u want m8 fact: ASCN came running to help Celes and their pack dogs take XELAS outpost fact: depite ASCN and Celes, XELAS has reclaimed it yes there will be fight over it, yes ppl have RL, yes we are still here and fighting yes we are still BoB and XELAS allies depite what u could wish u claim that multiple ships incurred in lame prectices, back that up, and the pilots doing that as an exploit will be severely punished. if u guys cannot conceive what is a RL emergency then u are beyhond any possible help. as for all doomsayers out there: we are still here and fighting arent we ?
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:13:00 - [211] Ping Pong. ASCN retakes station. -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:28:00 - [212] Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 26/10/2006 15:34:17 demons im scared now.. I will make u into biosource...
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:32:00 - [213] Originally by: Orc A Dropping cans at undock points / bubble warpin points etc has existed since i started playing the game, for ship bumping purposes. thats some 2 + years. I belive many people like yourself already petitioned this 5000 times if not more, and yet, the tactic still stands for so long - unnerfed, and even ignored by the GM's. Conclusion: Legit. dropping 1 or 2 cans seems okay for this purpose. What about dropping 20-50, is that okay from your experience. Has a GM ever done anything about it, has a dev ever said it was not okay. Honest question here, i have never really run into a situation with dozens of dropped cans out at a jump in. Lots of cans around from destroyed ships, yes, but not dropped ones. I had gathered from the whole BMs in the hold thing, that CCP was not cool with lag tactics though.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:36:00 - [214] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth CLS != CELES. CLS is Celestial Horizon corp - no relation whatsoever to CELES Celestial Apocalypse sry m8, u guys all look alike to me, speacialy when ASCN came running to help Celes do something they could not do by themselves... conquer an Outpost... is still still yours (even with ASCN help) ? Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth You can however enlighten the broader EvE community by explaining precisely WHY you guys left Xelas :) I already know the answers, but the greater community is probably interested, now that you've tried to shut down discussion of it. shall we say 170 years old and thank u ? as for Xendie... u seem too much inclined to say someones is a noob, well tbh i dont care what u think, for someone who is as badly missinformed as u are u seem eager to call names instead of talking truth, i claimed that it can happen, u mention 2 name... what does that prove ? that some ppl have RL issues that need to be resolved (that was OOC in case u didnt noticed)? Originally by: Xendie low really low Xelas and HORDE. spin has u want m8 fact: ASCN came running to help Celes and their pack dogs take XELAS outpost fact: depite ASCN and Celes, XELAS has reclaimed it yes there will be fight over it, yes ppl have RL, yes we are still here and fighting yes we are still BoB and XELAS allies depite what u could wish u claim that multiple ships incurred in lame prectices, back that up, and the pilots doing that as an exploit will be severely punished. if u guys cannot conceive what is a RL emergency then u are beyhond any possible help. as for all doomsayers out there: we are still here and fighting arent we ? you still havent sent jazz the evemail? he said he would send you a screenshot of the killmail in his inbox and the link to the celest killboard. xelas are dead you just havent figured it out yet, just look on how long it has taken for you to actually understand that your members exploit. we have given you all the tools needed so you can verify it and yet you go yap-yap. amazing. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:37:00 - [215] Xendie, what is your char in CELES? Just so we know who we're talking to, because right now you're saing "we" like you're there. Are you?
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:38:00 - [216] Originally by: Dianabolic Xendie, what is your char in CELES? Just so we know who we're talking to, because right now you're saing "we" like you're there. Are you? wich character is yours in Xelas? Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:40:00 - [217] Originally by: Dianabolic Xendie, what is your char in CELES? Just so we know who we're talking to, because right now you're saing "we" like you're there. Are you? Thats my alt :) The Master Of Chaos
SmEdD Amarr Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:49:00 - [218] Edited by: SmEdD on 26/10/2006 15:49:28 lol celest complaining about cans at the undock point . . . I don't think it's as lame was insta undock, gate hugging or docking and loging where there is a fight you might not win. If you didn't use insta undocks there would be no need to hope you hit a can and unalign. And please stop with the lapdog crap, it's better then ASCN's b****es. Also you gotta stop changing the stories. First it's trying to hurt bob then its to destroy xs or you never planned to take an outpost but you killed the pos's to take it. Common stick to one story and you might look half legit . . .
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:00:00 - [219] Originally by: SmEdD Edited by: SmEdD on 26/10/2006 15:49:28 lol celest complaining about cans at the undock point . . . I don't think it's as lame was insta undock, gate hugging or docking and loging where there is a fight you might not win. If you didn't use insta undocks there would be no need to hope you hit a can and unalign. And please stop with the lapdog crap, it's better then ASCN's b****es. Also you gotta stop changing the stories. First it's trying to hurt bob then its to destroy xs or you never planned to take an outpost but you killed the pos's to take it. Common stick to one story and you might look half legit . . . I think it was more about dropping 20+ cans at random spots in grid and naming them LAG GENERATOR that peed people off. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:06:00 - [220] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Dianabolic Xendie, what is your char in CELES? Just so we know who we're talking to, because right now you're saing "we" like you're there. Are you? wich character is yours in Xelas? You're talking from F-E, Xendie, a group that has sweet fork all to do with this conflict. I have access to fountain on 2 different accounts. So, who is your char? If you wish to remain anonymous that is of course your choice, I just think it takes away from any point you think you're making.
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:12:00 - [221] Feel free to ask Dbp or BL for faster reply Diana. One doesnt have to be a member in game in order to be involved ya' know. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:45:00 - [222] well you do or dont run if bob tells you to? do you hid if bob dont come to help? do you hold hands if they say so ? then maybe you are bob helpers
Tasha Feza'Cuiri Caldarians Pride THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:12:00 - [223] Zorba undocked and waited in an unfitted Vigil in front of a station to be blown up and then a t2 Hauler undocked expecting Zorbas BMs to cause lag? Man... di you ever look at this killmail yourself? Did you ever see a station in 38IA? Nice story mate but you should think before you start writing untruth, or start wild guessing. 38IA is 2 jumps away from the next station and on that killmail is only a vagabond, as it is on the other 2 kills before. Nothing else to say about that. Do not call up what you cannot put down. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:30:00 - [224] Originally by: Tasha Feza'Cuiri Zorba undocked and waited in an unfitted Vigil in front of a station to be blown up and then a t2 Hauler undocked expecting Zorbas BMs to cause lag? Man... di you ever look at this killmail yourself? Did you ever see a station in 38IA? Nice story mate but you should think before you start writing untruth, or start wild guessing. 38IA is 2 jumps away from the next station and on that killmail is only a vagabond, as it is on the other 2 kills before. Nothing else to say about that. Aye somebody messed up the kills, the Vigil was unfitted and trying to bait our Vaga with his cargo full of boookmarks and his buddies nearby. The person who undocked in PNQY with the shuttle full of bookmarks, right before a hauler, was a Xelas member. Both are equally lame though, big deal with details. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Tasha Feza'Cuiri Caldarians Pride THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:31:00 - [225] Originally by: dabster Originally by: Tasha Feza'Cuiri Zorba undocked and waited in an unfitted Vigil in front of a station to be blown up and then a t2 Hauler undocked expecting Zorbas BMs to cause lag? Man... di you ever look at this killmail yourself? Did you ever see a station in 38IA? Nice story mate but you should think before you start writing untruth, or start wild guessing. 38IA is 2 jumps away from the next station and on that killmail is only a vagabond, as it is on the other 2 kills before. Nothing else to say about that. Aye somebody messed up the kills, the Vigil was unfitted and trying to bait our Vaga with his cargo full of boookmarks and his buddies nearby. The person who undocked in PNQY with the shuttle full of bookmarks, right before a hauler, was a Xelas member. Both are equally lame though, big deal with details. And because he baited he died as last of the three ships that were killed, yub O_o Do not call up what you cannot put down. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:14:00 - [226] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 26/10/2006 20:15:52 Originally by: Tasha Feza'Cuiri Originally by: dabster Originally by: Tasha Feza'Cuiri Zorba undocked and waited in an unfitted Vigil in front of a station to be blown up and then a t2 Hauler undocked expecting Zorbas BMs to cause lag? Man... di you ever look at this killmail yourself? Did you ever see a station in 38IA? Nice story mate but you should think before you start writing untruth, or start wild guessing. 38IA is 2 jumps away from the next station and on that killmail is only a vagabond, as it is on the other 2 kills before. Nothing else to say about that. Aye somebody messed up the kills, the Vigil was unfitted and trying to bait our Vaga with his cargo full of boookmarks and his buddies nearby. The person who undocked in PNQY with the shuttle full of bookmarks, right before a hauler, was a Xelas member. Both are equally lame though, big deal with details. And because he baited he died as last of the three ships that were killed, yub O_o Third of six. I played cat and mouse with them for twenty minutes, so he wasn't just passing by. I don't know about you, but I findly it slightly curious, that having just watched me kill his friends' Enyo and Falcon he just sat there -targeting me although he had no modules to activate- and waited me to shoot at him too, then warped his pod out. And what do you know, trying to open his can lagged me long enough so that the Raven got there and started lobbing Javelin Torpedoes at me. Anyway, I petitioned it today, thanks to your whining. Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:22:00 - [227] only if Bob stops helping
Naim Obeji Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.27 21:15:00 - [228] Originally by: Sextus Licinius The situation is pretty much this: We took Xelas outpost and besides the fact that we dominated fountain so far, now we also outnumber them. Xelas is pretty much alive but paralyzed as we control key systems and logistics. Xelas can't play EvE in fountain atm so their only hope is BoB, so until BoB make a move is gonna be boring around here. The thing is...this is really nothing new for Xelas. We had them beat down a few times when we were down there and BoB always rode in to rescue them (the Xelas smack everytime Uncle BoB came around was insufferable...lol). They may be BoB's friends, and that's fine, but they in no way can handle Fountain without serious help. That's why when they put out their cheesy little gank video that said "We are Fountain..." a while back, I just laughed... The plain facte of the matter is that without Uncle BoB, Xelas would have been pushed out of Fountain a long time ago. The last time we had them down, their membership had decreased to something like 350 pilots. Now look at them...upwards of 1,500 in Xelas? ...and they still struggle? I'll bet that beloved monument to their "greatness" in PNQY wouldn't have gone up if we were still down there. They'd have probably put it up in A-1CON. We got so sick of Xelas we couldn't even be arsed to go down and shoot at that piece of crap in PNQY. Don't count your eggs before they're hatched, boys...Xelas is great a turtling until Uncle BoB comes to bail them out.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:04:00 - [229] Originally by: Naim Obeji Originally by: Sextus Licinius The situation is pretty much this: We took Xelas outpost and besides the fact that we dominated fountain so far, now we also outnumber them. Xelas is pretty much alive but paralyzed as we control key systems and logistics. Xelas can't play EvE in fountain atm so their only hope is BoB, so until BoB make a move is gonna be boring around here. The thing is...this is really nothing new for Xelas. We had them beat down a few times when we were down there and BoB always rode in to rescue them (the Xelas smack everytime Uncle BoB came around was insufferable...lol). They may be BoB's friends, and that's fine, but they in no way can handle Fountain without serious help. That's why when they put out their cheesy little gank video that said "We are Fountain..." a while back, I just laughed... The plain facte of the matter is that without Uncle BoB, Xelas would have been pushed out of Fountain a long time ago. The last time we had them down, their membership had decreased to something like 350 pilots. Now look at them...upwards of 1,500 in Xelas? ...and they still struggle? I'll bet that beloved monument to their "greatness" in PNQY wouldn't have gone up if we were still down there. They'd have probably put it up in A-1CON. We got so sick of Xelas we couldn't even be arsed to go down and shoot at that piece of crap in PNQY. Don't count your eggs before they're hatched, boys...Xelas is great a turtling until Uncle BoB comes to bail them out. FA/IMP/VC were operating in the 9-v to d4ku pipe before we put up the outpost. We put the outpost up as at the time the major security issue was that aridia back door. This move meant that your manky pilots couldnt rat in the fountain systems close to your pit in hophib. Thats why you left, please dont spin it now you are a million miles away.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:30:00 - [230] Originally by: Naim Obeji They may be BoB's friends, and that's fine, but they in no way can handle Fountain without serious help. That's why when they put out their cheesy little gank video that said "We are Fountain..." a while back, I just laughed... Which is why fountain is bob space not xelas space? Originally by: Naim Obeji The plain facte of the matter is that without Uncle BoB,Xelas would have been pushed out of Fountain a long time ago. The last time we had them down, their membership had decreased to something like 350 pilots. Now look at them...upwards of 1,500 in Xelas? ...and they still struggle? I'll bet that beloved monument to their "greatness" in PNQY wouldn't have gone up if we were still down there. They'd have probably put it up in A-1CON. We got so sick of Xelas we couldn't even be arsed to go down and shoot at that piece of crap in PNQY. Don't count your eggs before they're hatched, boys...Xelas is great a turtling until Uncle BoB comes to bail them out. Sorry to bring this up but when TCF attacked tribute who helped you get your stations back? If i remember correctly D2 came down and regained control of your space for you. This means everything you just said about Xelas and bobs relationship can be said about you and d2.I mean no disrespect to your alliance. I'm just pointing out your alliance is identical to xelas in terms of the defense/security of your space. Shhhhh.... Glass houses.... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:46:00 - [231] Could someone explain something to me? The Eve map in the Corporations page reads that Fountain belongs to BoB. BoB says Fountain belongs to BoB. BoB also says that Fountain space (i.e. where we have some folks attacking) is Xelas space (i.e. where a station was taken). Xelas says Fountain is Xelas space. Soverignity aside, who does Fountain really belong to? I'd just like a straight answer, since everyone in BoB and Xelas is saying something different. Even people in BoB are contradicting themselves here. It seems like BoB is happy to call fountain theirs, until we take a station, were it becomes the land of Xelas. I'm 100% not trying to troll, I'd just like someone to explain the Fountain space flowchart to me with bright colors and pictures, and stuff. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:49:00 - [232] Xendie = Malken Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:03:00 - [233] Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Orc A Dropping cans at undock points / bubble warpin points etc has existed since i started playing the game, for ship bumping purposes. thats some 2 + years. I belive many people like yourself already petitioned this 5000 times if not more, and yet, the tactic still stands for so long - unnerfed, and even ignored by the GM's. Conclusion: Legit. dropping 1 or 2 cans seems okay for this purpose. What about dropping 20-50, is that okay from your experience. Has a GM ever done anything about it, has a dev ever said it was not okay. Honest question here, i have never really run into a situation with dozens of dropped cans out at a jump in. Lots of cans around from destroyed ships, yes, but not dropped ones. I had gathered from the whole BMs in the hold thing, that CCP was not cool with lag tactics though. Dropping cans reguardless of quantity is not considered a lag tactic. It is not the same as bm lag bombs. Droping cans has a specific purpose. To disrupt a ships ability to align and warp out. Exploding a ship full of bms has one purpose only. To generate lag. Big difference. Originally by: Serapis Aote It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect. When you put up cans all over the grid, its going to lag the grid for anyway warping in. Could enough jet cans cause lag? I'm sure they can. So can launching drones, forming fleets, even jumping gangs through gates. When ever there is an object in space that the server has to process some ammount of lag is created. So where do you draw the line of what is a lag tactic then? By your logic forming a fleet should be considered a lag tactic. Forming a fleet does cause lag. You say "It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect." That would apply to forming a fleet or using drones in a fight. This is why intent does matter. For example, sniper bs's droping drones 180k off the gate just before a hostile fleet jumps in hoping the hostile fleet lags out = Cheap. If 10 minutes into a fight that same sniper BS get scrambled by a cepter then dropping drones = legit. The only difference there is intent. This is why it is ok to drop cans if they are for the purpose of bumping a ship out of allignment and not why its not ok to explode a can full of BM's. There is a legit purpose for one, no legit purpose for the other. Using tactics that cause some lag as a by product is ok because it cannot be helped. It is never ok to use lag tactics that's only purpose is causing lag. (yes that includes you horde) Lets just hope these inccidents with both ASCN and Horde are isolated ones that NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Otherwise it would force me and CELES members to agree with each other which would be very unpleasent for both parties. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:05:00 - [234] Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Orc A Dropping cans at undock points / bubble warpin points etc has existed since i started playing the game, for ship bumping purposes. thats some 2 + years. I belive many people like yourself already petitioned this 5000 times if not more, and yet, the tactic still stands for so long - unnerfed, and even ignored by the GM's. Conclusion: Legit. dropping 1 or 2 cans seems okay for this purpose. What about dropping 20-50, is that okay from your experience. Has a GM ever done anything about it, has a dev ever said it was not okay. Honest question here, i have never really run into a situation with dozens of dropped cans out at a jump in. Lots of cans around from destroyed ships, yes, but not dropped ones. I had gathered from the whole BMs in the hold thing, that CCP was not cool with lag tactics though. Dropping cans reguardless of quantity is not considered a lag tactic. It is not the same as bm lag bombs. Droping cans has a specific purpose. To disrupt a ships ability to align and warp out. Exploding a ship full of bms has one purpose only. To generate lag. Big difference. Originally by: Serapis Aote It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect. When you put up cans all over the grid, its going to lag the grid for anyway warping in. Could enough jet cans cause lag? I'm sure they can. So can launching drones, forming fleets, even jumping gangs through gates. When ever there is an object in space that the server has to process some ammount of lag is created. So where do you draw the line of what is a lag tactic then? By your logic forming a fleet should be considered a lag tactic. Forming a fleet does cause lag. You say "It doesnt matter the purpose, all the matter is the effect." That would apply to forming a fleet or using drones in a fight. This is why intent does matter. For example, sniper bs's droping drones 180k off the gate just before a hostile fleet jumps in hoping the hostile fleet lags out = Cheap. If 10 minutes into a fight that same sniper BS get scrambled by a cepter then dropping drones = legit. The only difference there is intent. This is why it is ok to drop cans if they are for the purpose of bumping a ship out of allignment and not why its not ok to explode a can full of BM's. There is a legit purpose for one, no legit purpose for the other. Using tactics that cause some lag as a by product is ok because it cannot be helped. It is never ok to use lag tactics that's only purpose is causing lag. (yes that includes you horde) Lets just hope these inccidents with both ASCN and Horde are isolated ones that NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Otherwise it would force me and CELES members to agree with each other which would be very unpleasent for both parties. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:29:00 - [235] Quote: FA/IMP/VC were operating in the 9-v to d4ku pipe before we put up the outpost. We put the outpost up as at the time the major security issue was that aridia back door. This move meant that your manky pilots couldnt rat in the fountain systems close to your pit in hophib. if by operating meaning having a couple of ships wondering around, and mabye a small POS, then yes, thye was "dangerous". oh...and on the entire journey for outpost deployment, i think the biggest thread was everyone falling asleep. We met a grand total of noone. -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:34:00 - [236] Originally by: Gungankllr Could someone explain something to me? The Eve map in the Corporations page reads that Fountain belongs to BoB. BoB says Fountain belongs to BoB. BoB also says that Fountain space (i.e. where we have some folks attacking) is Xelas space (i.e. where a station was taken). Xelas says Fountain is Xelas space. Soverignity aside, who does Fountain really belong to? I'd just like a straight answer, since everyone in BoB and Xelas is saying something different. Even people in BoB are contradicting themselves here. It seems like BoB is happy to call fountain theirs, until we take a station, were it becomes the land of Xelas. I'm 100% not trying to troll, I'd just like someone to explain the Fountain space flowchart to me with bright colors and pictures, and stuff. Why is it, GK, that when ASCN were our friends there was no problem in understanding who owned Fountain, nor the relationship between us and Xelas, but suddenly that comprehension has now dropped? Fountain belongs to BoB, we have the final say on what happens in that region - parts of it are managed by other entities. This has been well documented and excellently explained with a concept first offered by Hans Roaming, the "Vassal State". Go read it mate, it is good stuff.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:53:00 - [237] Edited by: Gungankllr on 28/10/2006 00:55:59 I believe I understand the concept, It's just if you try to follow the forums like I do, There's literally a ton of different answers to the same questions. When the PNQ station was taken, several folks in BoB were quick to point out that it was a Xelas station. My point is if you guys claim to own the fountain region by proxy (i.e. using Xelas as landlords) it's kinda like saying Canada invaded Hawaii, and took over Maui, it's part of the United States but that city belongs to Hawaii. So Canada didn't really score a victory against the united states, because they're actually fighting Hawaii. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'd just like to have a civilized discussion on why I am wrong, if I have misunderstood your position. Edit: or perhaps a better example would be to use Puerto Rico, which is a U.S. Protectorate. I dunno. Anyhow, I always thought you held fountain because you had forces there. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 01:02:00 - [238] Ffs stop this useless discussion. Yes, it's a point against us scored by celes/ascn because our name is on Josh's map. And no, it's nothing more then a point on the map to us either, as we gained nothing from the Xelas POS being there in the first place. I've never been there, we don't have stuff in there, nor do we get taxes from it afaik. Taking a Xelas outpost does not impact BoB as far as our efforts against ASCN are concerned. We are in no rush to go to pnq or something if that's what you expected us to be doing. We've got all the time in the world to go and grab that outpost (assuming we even want or need to), when we're done with ASCN. Old blog
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 01:37:00 - [239] @GK - The territory isn't the question in this debate, though, at least not for me - we consider the PNQ operation nothing more than house breaking. It's not an invasion. You're not going to stay there. We know it and you know it. You may take it and then give it to CELES (enjoy those POS :D) to cause us some issue, yet CELES continue to maintain they will NOT claim space, so where's the threat to us? As an idea to try and split our focus it's fair enough, but what has it really achieved? I can't really equate how we view fountain with your RL analogy mate, I've had a go a few times but each time I come back to "RL != EvE". Sorry :$
Fast Track Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.28 02:00:00 - [240] on topic " the arguements are all the same on Celes side as they were on FAs side against XS and BoB and they got FA nowhere." off topic "burp", it's the weekend, have fun. :)
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.28 02:56:00 - [241] Edited by: batloard on 28/10/2006 02:56:10 Originally by: Dianabolic @GK - The territory isn't the question in this debate, though, at least not for me - we consider the PNQ operation nothing more than house breaking. It's not an invasion. You're not going to stay there. We know it and you know it. You may take it and then give it to CELES (enjoy those POS :D) to cause us some issue, yet CELES continue to maintain they will NOT claim space, so where's the threat to us? As an idea to try and split our focus it's fair enough, but what has it really achieved? I can't really equate how we view fountain with your RL analogy mate, I've had a go a few times but each time I come back to "RL != EvE". Sorry :$ its true, we do not plan to keep the station. We only attacked it in hopes of getting a good fight or two and that we have had. Ascn were nice enough to lend a 30man capital fleet :). We are not working for Ascn, but with them on this instance.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 03:13:00 - [242] Originally by: batloard We are not working for Ascn, but with them on this instance. Thanks, I'll use that in future if you don't mind? May you all have good fights :)
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 04:32:00 - [243] Originally by: Gungankllr When the PNQ station was taken, several folks in BoB were quick to point out that it was a Xelas station. They did this because it in fact is a xelas station. Bob in no way loses anything by the station getting taken. It didnt really effect bob or bob memers in game at all. Originally by: Gungankllr My point is if you guys claim to own the fountain region by proxy (i.e. using Xelas as landlords) it's kinda like saying Canada invaded Hawaii, and took over Maui, it's part of the United States but that city belongs to Hawaii. This is where your confusion comes from. You've got our relationship with xelas and our claim to fountian wrong. Dont think of us as xelas's landlords. You are close with ASCN as Mexico, BoB as the US, and fountain puerto rico. From our perspective you guys took 1 city in Puerto Rico and acted like you burnt down New York. We were all confused why you guys thought taking a city in Puerto Rico cripples us. I still can't imagine why you think it helped you in any way other than a temporary morale boost. Your analogy isn't quite accurate because fountain is more than a colony, we own it. As much as alot of our enemies want us to, BoB has no reason to label fountain as either a colony or a state. Fountain is bob space and we have authority over what happens in it. We arent living there and we dont tax xelas for living there. Since we dont profit from fountain, we dont suffer loss when you disrupt activities there. Originally by: Gungankllr So Canada didn't really score a victory against the united states, because they're actually fighting Hawaii. (ill keep going with the Hawaii = PR thing) You did score a legit victory against BoB. Congrats on that. It just wasnt the victory alot of ASCN members claimed. Capturing San Juan,PR (PNQ) and taking New York are differnt things entirly things. By reading the forum posts of your membership it deceptivly looks like you confronted bob head on and kicked us out of the heart of our space. That isnt what happend at all. You guys know exactly where BoB is based at ATM and where to find us for a real fight. Originally by: Gungankllr I'd just like to have a civilized discussion on why I am wrong, if I have misunderstood your position. I found your post refreshing and appreciate hearing ASCN members post in this mannor as opposed to more "bob cheats" posts. I in no way speak for BoB. However the above is one pilots pershpective (yep, my new word). Hope it helps. Originally by: Gungankllr I dunno. Anyhow, I always thought you held fountain because you had forces there. We do at times. Sometimes we are in delve, sometimes PB. Occasionally BoB goes elsewhere entirly. Holding regions does not tie us down to them. If you guys are looking for us we are currently in gq2/tpar for the most part. We'd love for you to drop by. Bottom line is BoB took fountain, delve and period basis. Those regions are BoB space to do as we please with them. (not meant to sound sarcastic) If ASCN or CELES thinks that fountain does not belong to BoB or should be run differently they can try and claim it for themselves. If they are successfull they can run fountain however they please. As it is now BoB has no obligation to station troops anywhere at any time despite popular opinion. Nor does BoB have an obligation to label/run fountain as a traditional state or protected colony. Fountain is what it is. I have a question for you. What has ASCN gained in the war against BoB by taking a xelas outpost in fountain? How do you believe it hurt us? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I really am curious. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:55:00 - [244] Originally by: pershphanie I have a question for you. What has ASCN gained in the war against BoB by taking a xelas outpost in fountain? How do you believe it hurt us? I'm not asking to be a jerk, I really am curious. Sorry to snip off most of what was a very good point, and then answering a question that has nothing to do with me, but I thought I would weight in anyways. Personally I think this move, while bold, creative, and from my POV unexpected, will eventually turn out to be a major mistake. One of several ASCN has made in this war, but have been effective enough in thier spin to keep the anti-bob forum squad from seeing it. Ultimatly, what this did, was nothing more then take ASCN's PVP'rs away from the battle front, and cost them several dread's, and I'm certain in the near future more POS's (if they havn't been destroyed already. And for the benifit, of well nothing gained, or nothing done to hurt BOB, no matter how people want to spin Xeles = BOB. Sorry but thats to big of a leap for me to believe, even in the slightest. All this for a moral boost, and nothing more, though I suspect that when the wall came crashing down on thier little party, that boost was pretty much gone, unless they are more deluded then I think. And in turn BOB have been left with paragon soul to do with as they please. Word on the street has it that that a large capatal fleet has pretty much roamed through the station systems virtually uncontested. Which of course is no surprise since ASCN has taken thier forces away from the battle field to score some ganks againsts NPC'rs and miners. While this allows them to say that they are attacking in BOBs space, it still leaves them with the problem of BOB being in ASCN space, and doing a much more effective job at it then they are. The situation is not unsimular to TACG in which ASCN managed to spin into a great victory for them selves. Though all it served to do was allow BOB to virtually chain ASCN at thier liesure. I don't think anyone can objectivly look at a tactical move that costs someone >10 times more then thier enemy as a good thing. Frankly, I think someone needs to make better tactic desicsions in ASCN, and look at your progress more objectivly. While spining things in your favour works well as a moral boost, how long can you pour billions into poor planning and execution for no substantial gains what so ever. This war will not be won by leading lambs into the slaughter again and again. Personally you'd be much better off getting your fighters back to the front lines where real fighting that actually means something is happening, rather then galoping around playing gank the miner while BOB has a capital fleet on your front door.
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:22:00 - [245] Edited by: Major Stormer on 28/10/2006 06:24:41 No matter what ASCN decides to do (not that they would let me know :P ) , our forces and our allies will remain fighting hard, and this has been a massive boost for us , and a massive hit for Xelas. When my corp was in the alliance, there was pretty much constant talk about "how the outpost means everything", and all that. They even went insane in alliance chat when a corpmate made a typo and put some warp core stabs on the market there for far higher then usual. It was REALLY important to them in terms of investment,and having a area other then the core to base out of. Of course, the fact that they remain unable to defend it without help is a little sad, 1500 man alliance, and the best they could do was a few battleships and a dread shooting at it for a few hours, and then having it taken back almost at once. Xelas are good guys, but their lack of effort in pvp is and has cost them much. -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:29:00 - [246] Originally by: Major Stormer No matter what ASCN decides to do, our forces and our allies will remain fighting hard, and this has been a massive boost for us, and a massive hit for Xelas. When my corp was in their, there was pretty much constant talk about "how the outpost means everything", and all that. They even went insane in alliance chat when a corpmate made a typo and put some warp core stabs on the market there for far higher then usual. It was REALLY important to them in terms of investment, and having a area other then the core to base out of. Of course, the fact that they remain unable to defend it without help is a little sad, 1500 man alliance, and the best they could do was a few battleships and a dread shooting at it for a few hours, and then having it taken back almost at once. Xelas are good guys, but their lack of effort in pvp is and has cost them much. He was a consistant gouger, 260k for WCS, after an order had disapeared just a moment ago with about 100 for 15k/20k each. We considered that a very low move, and as you saw, we pushed the abuse to the limit for that offence. Demon Womb shouldn't be in this thread in my opinion, you guys are living in a-1con under celes' protection, and when you do venture out, it's right behind a celes gank force, like when you strolled into pnqy, there was celes there for a considerable time, and then suddenly demon womb appear in their t1 cruiser gang, way to go, you achieved nothing. Honestly, i see nothing more in demon womb than traitors, they left xelas and went and jumped behind celes, although from the looks of killboards, you're taking heavier losses than ever before...i hope it's worth the amount of respect you lost from me, and every other pilot in xelas; your reasons for leaving were pitiful at best, and could've been negotiated in other ways. In the mean time, i might take a trip up and try to chain a few womb in core, norman has been having some fun, untill you yell for uncle celes to come and gank poor lil' solo pvper who's cleaning up on you guys. ( A relationship that seems to be shunned by the eve community ) Your corp will not remain in fountain, I'll see to that personally.
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:46:00 - [247] Edited by: Major Stormer on 28/10/2006 06:53:04 Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Major Stormer No matter what ASCN decides to do, our forces and our allies will remain fighting hard, and this has been a massive boost for us, and a massive hit for Xelas. When my corp was in their, there was pretty much constant talk about "how the outpost means everything", and all that. They even went insane in alliance chat when a corpmate made a typo and put some warp core stabs on the market there for far higher then usual. It was REALLY important to them in terms of investment, and having a area other then the core to base out of. Of course, the fact that they remain unable to defend it without help is a little sad, 1500 man alliance, and the best they could do was a few battleships and a dread shooting at it for a few hours, and then having it taken back almost at once. Xelas are good guys, but their lack of effort in pvp is and has cost them much. He was a consistant gouger, 260k for WCS, after an order had disapeared just a moment ago with about 100 for 15k/20k each. We considered that a very low move, and as you saw, we pushed the abuse to the limit for that offence. Demon Womb shouldn't be in this thread in my opinion, you guys are living in a-1con under celes' protection, and when you do venture out, it's right behind a celes gank force, like when you strolled into pnqy, there was celes there for a considerable time, and then suddenly demon womb appear in their t1 cruiser gang, way to go, you achieved nothing. Honestly, i see nothing more in demon womb than traitors, they left xelas and went and jumped behind celes, although from the looks of killboards, you're taking heavier losses than ever before...i hope it's worth the amount of respect you lost from me, and every other pilot in xelas; your reasons for leaving were pitiful at best, and could've been negotiated in other ways. In the mean time, i might take a trip up and try to chain a few womb in core, norman has been having some fun, untill you yell for uncle celes to come and gank poor lil' solo pvper who's cleaning up on you guys. ( A relationship that seems to be shunned by the eve community ) Your corp will not remain in fountain, I'll see to that personally. In alliance chat. For 1 hour. In a channel ment to be used for intel. Riiiggghhhttt. Of course the correct action would be to contact the ceo in private. But you dont give a crap about alliance rules anyway, right? As for your threats, keep making them, becuase im getting quite a collection. But I also have lots of people who dont smacktalk constantly, and I still get on very well with. At the end of the day we remember this is game, clearly you are taking this personally As for our kills/losses, Demon Womb kills have gone up, losses remain similer. Oh, and we are having a lot more fun, and now we are no longer in a alliance which is boring us to death, online numbers have really boosted. Including mine, i was rarely logging in before we left i was so ****ed bored. As for traiters, if you wanna consider that go ahead. All I know was that we was told we would have a 2 month peroid in which we would be evaluated, at the end of it we decided that the evalutation was over, and the alliance wasnt for us. Fountian was, and you shoot neutrals. End of Story. If the alliance gave the slightest crap about pvp and had leadership i respected and didnt think was a pile of crap, then I would have stayed tbh. Xelas was a nice alliance with nice people, but its not us. -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 07:02:00 - [248] Some people are going to get an awfully big shock when we're finished with ASCN. Blog
Otellus eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.28 07:17:00 - [249] Originally by: Blacklight Some people are going to get an awfully big shock when we're finished with ASCN. Is this the first hint about BoB leaving the game, thus leaving Xelas and all the other slave corps to fend for themselves?
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:07:00 - [250] Originally by: Otellus Originally by: Blacklight Some people are going to get an awfully big shock when we're finished with ASCN. Is this the first hint about BoB leaving the game, thus leaving Xelas and all the other slave corps to fend for themselves? Yes. This is a really big secret, but we're to play Barbie Online next year. Truly impressive game with lots of combined carebear/PvP capibilities known as 'makeout' sessions. Naturally we plan to pwn the place to pieces. The 8-year old girlies won't know what hit 'em. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:27:00 - [251] Originally by: Major Stormer But I also have lots of people who dont smacktalk constantly, and I still get on very well with. snip and had leadership I respected and didnt think was a pile of crap, then I would have stayed tbh. You may have some new found friends, but you are making some serious enemies. And your corporation is very fragile, where will you go when celes leave you to the lions major?
Z4yl	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:00:00 - [252] Edited by: Z4yl on 28/10/2006 09:00:18 2 WOMB Still , you left alliance only to join its enemies. "A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor." You ARE traitors no matter what you say. Yours T1 cruiser gangs cant do much damage to us. I am looking forward to Celest leaving you on your own.
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:38:00 - [253] Guys honestly, we were told we had a 2 month evaluation period, at the end of this we could decide to stay or leave. We left and became neutrals, turns out you shoot neutrals. We shoot back and stirred things up a little. This game is about having fun, as all games are, Xelas was not fun in any sense of the word. As a lone corp we are enjoying ourselves and will take on whatever comes our way. We are a relatively new corp with newer players. Hey, every corp/alliance and its players start somewhere and grow. Xelas is an exception to this though...
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:45:00 - [254] Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Guys honestly, we were told we had a 2 month evaluation period, at the end of this we could decide to stay or leave. We left and became neutrals, turns out you shoot neutrals. ROFLOL "Turns out"? In the whole two months you were there you didn't work this out? k!
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:47:00 - [255] Edited by: dabster on 28/10/2006 09:47:56 Originally by: Z4yl Edited by: Z4yl on 28/10/2006 09:00:18 2 WOMB Still , you left alliance only to join its enemies. "A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor." You ARE traitors no matter what you say. Yours T1 cruiser gangs cant do much damage to us. I am looking forward to Celest leaving you on your own. You know, Xelas should really stop talking about tech 1 cruiser gangs in a "you suck" kind of way. 99% of Xelas gangs are tech 1 frigs and cruisers with as much ecm and wcs as possible to fit. That is no flame, it is a fact backed up by killboards. So choose your wordings a bit more careful before throwing stones in glass houses. edit; tyops ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:52:00 - [256] Originally by: dabster Edited by: dabster on 28/10/2006 09:47:56 Originally by: Z4yl Edited by: Z4yl on 28/10/2006 09:00:18 2 WOMB Still , you left alliance only to join its enemies. "A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor." You ARE traitors no matter what you say. Yours T1 cruiser gangs cant do much damage to us. I am looking forward to Celest leaving you on your own. You know, Xelas should really stop talking about tech 1 cruiser gangs in a "you suck" kind of way. 99% of Xelas gangs are tech 1 frigs and cruisers with as much ecm and wcs as possible to fit. That is no flame, it is a fact backed up by killboards. So choose your wordings a bit more careful before throwing stones in glass houses. edit; tyops Read again. Also they had good teacher about ecm, wcs, and all that crap. Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:58:00 - [257] /reads again Sorry the only thing I see is how he says their t1 cruisers cant hurt them, i reply with he shouldnt talk down about t1 because its what they prefer themselves. Next time explain instead of leaving vague sarcastis remarks, it usually helps. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:02:00 - [258] At the Tech I cruiser gangs comment. When we were in Xelas we lost a fair amount of ISK, all our time was devoted to useless PvP ops that we were cornered into. Now our players are earning ISK and are beginning to raise funds for the skills required to move up in the game. Where are you guys at? You are the same stage you were before, except now I see more smack talk in local from you and less form to your fleets. As for celes leaving us to the lions. Do you know something we don't? I think it is more likely that those of us in the corp know things you don't .
Tasha Feza'Cuiri Caldarians Pride THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:07:00 - [259] mhmm... Can't we keep things like they are now? After months of pvp vs Celes, which is normally not very funny nor successfull (I really hate you guy ;) ), now have an ASCN spawnpoint in PNQY and visiting our new neighbours is great fun Do not call up what you cannot put down. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:23:00 - [260] Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:36:22 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:38:00 - [261] Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:25:33 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:43 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:18 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D Look at my image it also tells a story and is not incredibly huge, nor does it reveal local chat explaining the Alliance's objective against Celes. Story
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:42:00 - [262] Edited by: Proxay on 28/10/2006 10:43:45 Sorry to pop your bubble there Jeremiah, but I and many other Xelas have the same screenie, except we're taking back yoshimi, and the force certainly looks bigger than that. Edit- grammer.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:42:00 - [263] Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:43:26 Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:25:33 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:43 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:18 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D Look at my image it also tells a story and is not incredibly huge, nor does it reveal local chat explaining the Alliance's objective against Celes. Story Tomorrow, after I get some sleep, I'll tell you another story. You'll get a laugh out of it, I'm sure. And by the way, I masked local chat. I left up the BS we were talking about in Gang because it has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:44:00 - [264] Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:25:33 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:43 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:18 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D Look at my image it also tells a story and is not incredibly huge, nor does it reveal local chat explaining the Alliance's objective against Celes. Story Tomorrow, after I get some sleep, I'll tell you another story. You'll get a laugh out of it, I'm sure. You're going to read me a BoB <3 Xelas erotica novel? You do realize you just released sensitive information in you screens?
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:46:00 - [265] Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:49:13 Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:25:33 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:43 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:18 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D Look at my image it also tells a story and is not incredibly huge, nor does it reveal local chat explaining the Alliance's objective against Celes. Story Tomorrow, after I get some sleep, I'll tell you another story. You'll get a laugh out of it, I'm sure. You're going to read me a BoB <3 Xelas erotica novel? You do realize you just released sensitive information in you screens? Nothing you wouldn't get from reading the killboards. And it's not nearly as bad as what you did.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:46:00 - [266] Originally by: dabster /reads again Sorry the only thing I see is how he says their t1 cruisers cant hurt them, i reply with he shouldnt talk down about t1 because its what they prefer themselves. Next time explain instead of leaving vague sarcastis remarks, it usually helps. Do you need dreads to take NPC stations? Or is it the other way around. What they prefer is their personal choice. Hope it helps. Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 11:33:00 - [267] this thread gets more and more funneh. keep it comming. I will make your wife/mann a widow.
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.28 12:07:00 - [268] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: dabster /reads again Sorry the only thing I see is how he says their t1 cruisers cant hurt them, i reply with he shouldnt talk down about t1 because its what they prefer themselves. Next time explain instead of leaving vague sarcastis remarks, it usually helps. Do you need dreads to take NPC stations? Or is it the other way around. What they prefer is their personal choice. Hope it helps. /hands out logic hf, make sure to use it in the future ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 17:44:00 - [269] Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 17:45:38 Now that I've woken up. Major Stormer, why don't you tell everyone what we were doing to your corp's POS at the very moment you were typing your trash about us not doing any better than a pathetic few BS pewpewing the Outpost? It's too bad nobody came out to give us a fight.
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:38:00 - [270] LOL! Kaosaur, that is a POS owned by an individual member in the corp.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:05:00 - [271] Originally by: Jeremiah Kane LOL! Kaosaur, that is a POS owned by an individual member in the corp. Nice to hear you guys work together then. Do you all travel alone too?
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:08:00 - [272] Edited by: Skelator on 28/10/2006 22:09:18 Originally by: Kryztal omg ASCN are taking a xelas station in fountain ! They like bypassed all BoB systems and went for a outpost on the other end of the galaxy owned by Xelas, its not like we are lacking in the outpost department in our space. Tactically Speaking that was a Brilliant move on their part. The German Army did the same thing when they invaded Europe bypassed the Strongpoints and took all their Objectives mopping up the strongpoints at a future date. Then they did it the way you said it should have been done and you had Stalingrad ;-/ Cost them the war. Originally by: Kryztal The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. Im sure once BOB comes to help bail them out they will be fine. StrongHold Knights First into Battle Last Out
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:10:00 - [273] Edited by: Report on 28/10/2006 22:11:06 Looks like ASCN will be too busy trying to keep their own regions to muck about in systems that weren't anything to do with the war previously, I hope XELAS retake the outpost and learn from what happened. Saw quite ASCN few passing through kor-azor pirating today too.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:20:00 - [274] Xelas did take it back today. took a long time due to no dread backup. however they took it back when gang disbanded ROFL.. and it all started with a pod pilot in a hsutlle atacking it having a few fighters asigned.. LOL.. thats how good ASCN/Celest defend what they claimed is theres.. now lets see if the story continues.. ps.. ASCN/Celest did take it back yet funneh. I will make your wife/mann a widow.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:24:00 - [275] Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: Jeremiah Kane LOL! Kaosaur, that is a POS owned by an individual member in the corp. Nice to hear you guys work together then. Do you all travel alone too? hey kaosaur i hate to bust your bubble, but why didnt xelas finish off that demon womb POS after it came out of reinforced? ill tell you why. You were afraid of celes, a 100 man corp, and your alliance of 1500 still could not kill a single corps POS. The only thing you did blow up was a celes pos that had no stront in it.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:29:00 - [276] Originally by: UGWidowmaker Xelas did take it back today. took a long time due to no dread backup. however they took it back when gang disbanded ROFL.. and it all started with a pod pilot in a hsutlle atacking it having a few fighters asigned.. LOL.. thats how good ASCN/Celest defend what they claimed is theres.. now lets see if the story continues.. ps.. ASCN/Celest did take it back yet funneh. THe only reason you took it yet again is because you refuse to fight us during the day. Its not uncommon now to log in at 1 am and seeing whats around to see another xelas fleet attacking the outpost, only so they could loose it again. Much like this morning when xelas had about 30 people attacking the outpost and we headed with a similar gang to fight, only when xelas took the outpost and we arrived it they hightailed out of PNQ. Then we proceeded to take the station within 2 minutes and gave it back to the people that own it now.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:32:00 - [277] Originally by: FubarSF Originally by: Kryztal The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. So you are going to save them ... again ? ugh, you have zero room to take that tone D2 lackie
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:45:00 - [278] Originally by: batloard THe only reason you took it yet again is because you refuse to fight us during the day. Its not uncommon now to log in at 1 am and seeing whats around to see another xelas fleet attacking the outpost, only so they could loose it again. Much like this morning when xelas had about 30 people attacking the outpost and we headed with a similar gang to fight, only when xelas took the outpost and we arrived it they hightailed out of PNQ. Then we proceeded to take the station within 2 minutes and gave it back to the people that own it now. ...Pong!
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:55:00 - [279] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: FubarSF Originally by: Kryztal The station will be back in Xelas hands soon enough no worries. So you are going to save them ... again ? ugh, you have zero room to take that tone D2 lackie Hmm I can because I used to Live in Fountain and shoot Xelas daily. When they needed help, BoB came in force to shoot my corp + our pos's. Removed them pretty quick they did. I was there when they were saved before so relax. It's a mute point anyway, since Xelas said they will take back THIER station. As far as the D2 lackie thing, you are entitled to your opion.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:04:00 - [280] I just read this whole joke of a thread. Although, I must have missed the post somewhere where celest killed both SA and CA. Because darth solo says he never fails his goals.
Jeremiah Kane Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:48:00 - [281] Edited by: Jeremiah Kane on 29/10/2006 06:50:48 Edited by: Jeremiah Kane on 29/10/2006 06:49:33 Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:49:13 Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: Jeremiah Kane Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:25:33 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:43 Edited by: Kaosaur on 28/10/2006 10:24:18 Some pictures from tonight. (~1MB each) View in sequence, as they tell a story. First Second Third :D Look at my image it also tells a story and is not incredibly huge, nor does it reveal local chat explaining the Alliance's objective against Celes. Story Tomorrow, after I get some sleep, I'll tell you another story. You'll get a laugh out of it, I'm sure. You're going to read me a BoB <3 Xelas erotica novel? You do realize you just released sensitive information in you screens? Nothing you wouldn't get from reading the killboards. And it's not nearly as bad as what you did. What I did? Leave the alliance? What many did! Originally by: Kaosaur Nice to hear you guys work together then. Do you all travel alone too? Sometimes I like to AFK autopilot to empire from YZ... EDIT: Quickly! Camp the gates for 5 hours!
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:16:00 - [282] Originally by: batloard Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: Jeremiah Kane LOL! Kaosaur, that is a POS owned by an individual member in the corp. Nice to hear you guys work together then. Do you all travel alone too? hey kaosaur i hate to bust your bubble, but why didnt xelas finish off that demon womb POS after it came out of reinforced? ill tell you why. You were afraid of celes, a 100 man corp, and your alliance of 1500 still could not kill a single corps POS. The only thing you did blow up was a celes pos that had no stront in it. I don't know why we didn't, as I was asleep by that time, having stayed up the night puting two POS into Reinforced and taking down the one belonging to CELES. As for being "afraid", we successfully ran a split gang the night we took down your POS. One being the group taking down the POS and the other being a small ships gang that engaged you all in the next system. We lost one ship. If your POS had no stront in it, that's your own damned fault. Judging by the fit on that POS, you guys don't know the first thing about POS equipment or you put it up without expecting to keep it.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:28:00 - [283] wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo.
Walking Contradiction Caldari The Roots	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:43:00 - [284] Originally by: darth solo wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo. Ofcourse CELES did this without the help of a 5000 man alliance, oh wait.
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:48:00 - [285] Wow, this post is still going? On a lighter side, GF on both sides that were involved in the little fight in YZ this afternoon. -
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:08:00 - [286] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Originally by: darth solo wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo. Ofcourse CELES did this without the help of a 5000 man alliance, oh wait. And Xelas have survived in Fountain without the help of uncle Bob whats your point? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:18:00 - [287] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Walking Contradiction Originally by: darth solo wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo. Ofcourse CELES did this without the help of a 5000 man alliance, oh wait. And Xelas have survived in Fountain without the help of uncle Bob whats your point? We're holding our own, and i'm sure you've noticed we've become more aggressive.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:26:00 - [288] Yep I have proxay and thats cool as we enjoy a good fight but when someone comes on and says we cant do anything without ASCN and neglects to mention and help xelas have it annoys me. Look forward to my last few days in Celes being fun and bowing out with a bang Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Deamos Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:30:00 - [289] Originally by: Kaleeb Yep I have proxay and thats cool as we enjoy a good fight but when someone comes on and says we cant do anything without ASCN and neglects to mention and help xelas have it annoys me. Look forward to my last few days in Celes being fun and bowing out with a bang I noticed that you were leaving. Been good fights against you, Kaleeb. Good luck in the future and hope to fight against or with ya again someday. -
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:32:00 - [290] Originally by: Kaleeb Yep I have proxay and thats cool as we enjoy a good fight but when someone comes on and says we cant do anything without ASCN and neglects to mention and help xelas have it annoys me. Look forward to my last few days in Celes being fun and bowing out with a bang you're leaving celes?!?!?!? remember that time you tried to gank me and thom's domis with those two megas intys huggin etc and you guys got creamed :P I'm going to miss your blasterthron... We'll see if we can *****your mega :P
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:34:00 - [291] Same to you deamos and thanks for the farewell, i`m sure we will see each other again at some point although its likely to be fighting each other but who knows what the future holds Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:37:00 - [292] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Kaleeb Yep I have proxay and thats cool as we enjoy a good fight but when someone comes on and says we cant do anything without ASCN and neglects to mention and help xelas have it annoys me. Look forward to my last few days in Celes being fun and bowing out with a bang you're leaving celes?!?!?!? remember that time you tried to gank me and thom's domis with those two megas intys huggin etc and you guys got creamed :P I'm going to miss your blasterthron... We'll see if we can ***your mega :P Yep time for me to move on, pos's and station ping pong isnt my thing. As for that fight with the domi's was that in yz when you jammed me and then warped off killing nothing and losing nothing? Hardly a raping. Originally by:** Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
SPQRMocton	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:42:00 - [293] The end of xelas ? well didn't read all the posts but I can tell ya that without BOB there is no xelas ! so the real question becomes is there really a xelas alliance I declare that NO ! it is but a shadow off bob and from my understanding THEY PAY BOB TO LIVE IN FOUNTAIN so who really runs the alliance. In the short time I was in fountain anytime we started really kickin xelas ass they called unca bob and he came and saved their stupid bacon,they will never amount to anything because they don't have to actually defend their territory ,just like a bunch of spoiled rich kids will never make it in the world without their daddy to bail em out,CAUSE THEY DON"T HAVE TO ! DADDY WARBUCKS to the rescue You can flame all ya want but I will not be revisiting this particular thread as I have spent as much time typing about a non real alliance
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:43:00 - [294] Edited by: Proxay on 29/10/2006 11:43:41 Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Kaleeb Yep I have proxay and thats cool as we enjoy a good fight but when someone comes on and says we cant do anything without ASCN and neglects to mention and help xelas have it annoys me. Look forward to my last few days in Celes being fun and bowing out with a bang you're leaving celes?!?!?!? remember that time you tried to gank me and thom's domis with those two megas intys huggin etc and you guys got creamed :P I'm going to miss your blasterthron... We'll see if we can ***your mega :P Yep time for me to move on, pos's and station ping pong isnt my thing. As for that fight with the domi's was that in yz when you jammed me and then warped off killing nothing and losing nothing? Hardly a raping. Lies, R31D almost lost his mega, i was still on full shields, Thom was doing fine, and your mega couldn't get a lock sideways - killmails speak more than words...and i must agree, we didn't accomplish anything, but i found it amusing. Quote:** THEY PAY BOB TO LIVE IN FOUNTAIN so who really runs the alliance. Go away clueless fool - we pay bob nothing.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:03:00 - [295] Originally by: SPQRMocton The end of xelas ? well didn't read all the posts but I can tell ya that without BOB there is no xelas ! so the real question becomes is there really a xelas alliance I declare that NO ! it is but a shadow off bob and from my understanding THEY PAY BOB TO LIVE IN FOUNTAIN so who really runs the alliance. In the short time I was in fountain anytime we started really kickin xelas ass they called unca bob and he came and saved their stupid bacon,they will never amount to anything because they don't have to actually defend their territory ,just like a bunch of spoiled rich kids will never make it in the world without their daddy to bail em out,CAUSE THEY DON"T HAVE TO ! DADDY WARBUCKS to the rescue You can flame all ya want but I will not be revisiting this particular thread as I have spent as much time typing about a non real alliance u seen bob up here during all this ? no! so plz have your facts strightend before comming here with some alt and flame. Xelas is an semi old alliance, so plz keep it to the facts. I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:14:00 - [296] Originally by: Kaleeb Yep time for me to move on, pos's and station ping pong isnt my thing. See what I was saying Darth. PVP players walk when you start the space holding thing. I tried to warn you, now be good and go back to ganking people. Your really good at it! Kind regards, Mitch
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:41:00 - [297] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Kaleeb Yep time for me to move on, pos's and station ping pong isnt my thing. See what I was saying Darth. PVP players walk when you start the space holding thing. I tried to warn you, now be good and go back to ganking people. Your really good at it! Kind regards, Mitch its only because u folks want it that i want it. d solo.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:13:00 - [298] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Kaleeb Yep time for me to move on, pos's and station ping pong isnt my thing. See what I was saying Darth. PVP players walk when you start the space holding thing. I tried to warn you, now be good and go back to ganking people. Your really good at it! Kind regards, Mitch its only because u folks want it that i want it. d solo. Celes said they dont want space, or buildings....so why the heck do you want it...are celest's goals changing now? are you becomming more stationary... You are nomad warriors, what is this cr*p about setting up shop and claiming space...
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:18:00 - [299] they became semi carabeers mate happends to all.. mwyahahha I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:34:00 - [300] Yes proxay R3 almost lost his mega but where in my post did I say anything about that? I said you didnt kill anything so hardly a raping. kudos to you for bringing the fight into core. As for me, my time in celes has been my most fun times in eve. Darth and Shad run celes to have fun and let everyone in the corp enjoy the game. Why are they trying to take your station? Only 1 reason and it isnt to own territory, infact it was an inspired idea from celes's point of view and i`m sure all the members will enjoy what it brings. Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:37:00 - [301] Originally by: darth solo wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo. 4 guns, two of which went offline when it went into Reinforced. It's good to know that all these corps and alliances put hundreds of millions worth of ISK in assets out into space without really giving a damn. Gives me nice targets.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:41:00 - [302] Originally by: Kaosaur Originally by: darth solo wasnt it a small pos with like 1 gun or something?. i didnt even know we had it. The guy that put it there done it for fun without our knowledge. It isnt like taking an alliances outpost or anything, if that was done in fountain that would sting, oh wait. d solo. 4 guns, two of which went offline when it went into Reinforced. It's good to know that all these corps and alliances put hundreds of millions worth of ISK in assets out into space without really giving a damn. Gives me nice targets. So back ontopic, if xelas dont reclaim there outpost within the next day, where will the new xelas HQ be if they even get one?
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:11:00 - [303] pnq my friend. pnq. ascn cant win nore can you.. Resistance is Futile. I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:34:00 - [304] Originally by: UGWidowmaker pnq my friend. pnq. ascn cant win nore can you.. Resistance is Futile. UG mate stop looking yourself look like a tool. This thread should die --- Lodhi ftg
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:27:00 - [305] Originally by: Fuglife This thread should die LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK Take care kaleeb.

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