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Lenaria Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.12 07:25:00 - [121] Edited by: Lenaria on 12/11/2006 07:26:26 ECM rigs & low slot modules on the ECM ships with ECM bonuses like Rook or Scorpion make the ECM the most unbalanced thing on the SiSi. Yes, its way worse than even Drake or Rokh. And its totally unfair in respect to other races EW.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon Edge of Sanity	Posted - 2006.11.12 22:19:00 - [122] Originally by: Lenaria Edited by: Lenaria on 12/11/2006 07:26:26 ECM rigs & low slot modules on the ECM ships with ECM bonuses like Rook or Scorpion make the ECM the most unbalanced thing on the SiSi. Yes, its way worse than even Drake or Rokh. And its totally unfair in respect to other races EW. Just remove the darn ECM mods, even the rigs if you put ECM at its current RMR state onto the modifiers of the ships. ----------------------------------------
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.13 01:41:00 - [123] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Malicious Wraith Originally by: murder one Originally by: Malicious Wraith Originally by: AsiaFury there goes the neighborhood. Almost every caldari/gallente/amarr fitting i have has an ecm on it, so i dont see how some are saying its a caldari problem. Now however, it is a caldari problem, the caldari ships have been nerfed into uselessness while every other race just gets to add a new midslot toy. This is not a racial thing, its more a rook/blackbird/falcon problem then anything else. It's not over nerfed. And all the EW ships still have PLENTY of ECM strength when used with the ECM booster mods. One Blackbird with two booster mods jammed my Megathron about 90% of the time with two racial jammers. That seems pretty effective do me, don't you think? I dont care what "That blackbird" did, I care about statistics, actual numbers. Even with "The mods' on, you are completely limiting the ships mentioned above. Im asking for one thing: "Reinstate ECM DEDICATED ships old strength" I don't get it. What are you complaining about exactly? With the low slot mods the ships are just as effective as they currently are on Tranq. You saying that the ECM ships shouldn't need the low slot mods? Or that even with the low slot mods they arn't as effective as they are currently on Tranq? Either way, it's exactly correct the way it currently is on Sisi. The low slot booster mods work great. There is nothing wrong with requiring the ECM ships to fit them to be effective. Any other questions? That's the problem, post kali, you will have to dedicate ALL of your slots to get the pre kali jam streagh of just your midslots.. ECM birds never had a decent tank anyyway, just big enough to have time to react if you miss a jam. 4 slot tank on a Battleship? that is weak, esp since you are running very cap intensive midslot modules.
Statics A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.13 01:43:00 - [124] Originally by: murder one Please re-read my post. I specifically said that I'm not using boost mods, just ecm rigs, and that I'm not flying ECM specific ships (rook, blackbird, scorp), I'm flying regular combat ships fitted with ecm rigs which have just as much DPS as any regular ship on TQ would. So let me be extremely clear: *ECM IS JUST AS GOOD IN KALI AS IT IS IN TRANQ FOR REGULAR NORMAL COMBAT SHIPS. THAT IS TO SAY: WAY TOO GODED OVER POWERED*. Adding booster mods and using ECM on EWAR ships makes it even worse. Good thing ECM rigs are going to be easily manufactured, cheap, and widespread.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.13 04:58:00 - [125] Originally by: murder one ECM still need to be nerfed. ECM SHIPS still need to be nerfed. Blackbirds jamming Moros on test? HELLO? My buddy went to FFA1 and shut down EVERY SHIP THERE with his Rook. All by himself. Two HACs, two BS, a BC and a Dread. You don't think this is just a LITTLE overpowered? And he's not even using the ECM strength rigs yet. That's interesting given that dreads aren't even allowed in FFA1. Wouldn't be the first time I'd seen you post something that cast doubts on whether you've actually even tried Kali or not, though.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.13 05:06:00 - [126] Originally by: murder one Once you install an ECM module (hypnos multispec lets say) and add in 3 ECM strength rigs (all t1 ships have 3 rig slots) and have some average ecm skills (ecm strength skill to L3 lets say) then you're looking at a multispec with a strength of about 4.8 or so. Oh my god, you are so busted. "All t1 ships have 3 rig slots" not only proves you lie, it proves you've never even logged into sisi at all.
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 08:09:00 - [127] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: murder one Once you install an ECM module (hypnos multispec lets say) and add in 3 ECM strength rigs (all t1 ships have 3 rig slots) and have some average ecm skills (ecm strength skill to L3 lets say) then you're looking at a multispec with a strength of about 4.8 or so. Oh my god, you are so busted. "All t1 ships have 3 rig slots" not only proves you lie, it proves you've never even logged into sisi at all. Don't all T1 combat ships (i.e. not freighters etc.) have 3 rigs slots? All the one's I've tried have. All my T2 ships have 2 rig slots. Have you logged into test yet? It's a celebration beeootch!
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 08:12:00 - [128] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: murder one ECM still need to be nerfed. ECM SHIPS still need to be nerfed. Blackbirds jamming Moros on test? HELLO? My buddy went to FFA1 and shut down EVERY SHIP THERE with his Rook. All by himself. Two HACs, two BS, a BC and a Dread. You don't think this is just a LITTLE overpowered? And he's not even using the ECM strength rigs yet. That's interesting given that dreads aren't even allowed in FFA1. Wouldn't be the first time I'd seen you post something that cast doubts on whether you've actually even tried Kali or not, though. Did he say the dread was supposed to be in FFA1? I must have been ganked at least four times in BF1 and BF2 by players who are new to the test server. Maybe not everyone knows the rules? Maybe the Dread was there by request? Maybe it was a GM? Why are you so quick to condemn him? Maybe you're just making all the wrong assumptions? It's a celebration beeootch!
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 08:17:00 - [129] Originally by: Statics Originally by: murder one Please re-read my post. I specifically said that I'm not using boost mods, just ecm rigs, and that I'm not flying ECM specific ships (rook, blackbird, scorp), I'm flying regular combat ships fitted with ecm rigs which have just as much DPS as any regular ship on TQ would. So let me be extremely clear: *ECM IS JUST AS GOOD IN KALI AS IT IS IN TRANQ FOR REGULAR NORMAL COMBAT SHIPS. THAT IS TO SAY: WAY TOO GODED OVER POWERED*. Adding booster mods and using ECM on EWAR ships makes it even worse. Good thing ECM rigs are going to be easily manufactured, cheap, and widespread. I don't know about you, but all the T1 rig BPOs I've used on test so far are going to be on the market, and from the salvaging I've done already with rat wrecks and player wrecks, it looks like they're going to be fairly available to anyone who wants to make them. I'm sure like most other stuff, the ECM strength rigs will be one of the most popular rigs on the market. I'm sure almost everyone will be making them. It's a celebration beeootch!
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:08:00 - [130] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Did he say the dread was supposed to be in FFA1? I must have been ganked at least four times in BF1 and BF2 by players who are new to the test server. Maybe not everyone knows the rules? Maybe the Dread was there by request? Maybe it was a GM? Why are you so quick to condemn him? Maybe you're just making all the wrong assumptions? Because I'm tired of his whining about EVERYTHING. I'm also tired of him making claims that are patently false.

Max Hardcase Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.13 11:06:00 - [131] Edited by: Max Hardcase on 13/11/2006 11:10:04 Edited by: Max Hardcase on 13/11/2006 11:09:30 I thought the general consensus was that ECM was too effective. It therefor doesnt surprise that it takes more modules to bring it back to its old levels. Seems fair to me, pure gank ships have to compromise their tank as well to get full effects out of their guns/missiles. What I think is missing are new modules to influence range and cap use of all EW forms. (modules, not rigs)
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2006.11.13 11:19:00 - [132] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Bellum Eternus Did he say the dread was supposed to be in FFA1? I must have been ganked at least four times in BF1 and BF2 by players who are new to the test server. Maybe not everyone knows the rules? Maybe the Dread was there by request? Maybe it was a GM? Why are you so quick to condemn him? Maybe you're just making all the wrong assumptions? Because I'm tired of his whining about EVERYTHING. I'm also tired of him making claims that are patently false. They sound perfectly reasonable to me. I went back and read quite a few of his posts in other forum areas. He seems to be quite knowledgeable about PVP and whatnot, given his limited experience with the game. More over, quite a few other players agree with him and also draw parallel conclusions supporting his arguments. That doesn't seem to me that everything is just 'patently false'. Especially when other players are saying the same thing as he is unsolicited. Just doesn't make any sense to me that unrelated players come to the same conclusion, and he's the only one who is making stuff up. Looks to me like you just have some sort of personal problem. ----------------------------------------------- "I said ENGLISH MOTHER******, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!?!" - Samuel L Jackson, Pulp Fiction
Zaphod Beblebrox2	Posted - 2006.11.13 11:40:00 - [133] I train to fly Caldari BS and buy a tier1 BS (Scorpian) and go up against another tier1 BS (Typhoon) and I go pop before I have done any real damage to his Armor. Yes I trained up all the support skills before getting into the Scorp and yes I did manage to Jam him and keep him jammed but with FOF's and Drones he still manages to out perform my damage and with a decent tank too. The fight isn't even a close run thing so tell me again, why is my ship being nurfed?
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:17:00 - [134] Originally by: Zaphod Beblebrox2 I train to fly Caldari BS and buy a tier1 BS (Scorpian) and go up against another tier1 BS (Typhoon) and I go pop before I have done any real damage to his Armor. Yes I trained up all the support skills before getting into the Scorp and yes I did manage to Jam him and keep him jammed but with FOF's and Drones he still manages to out perform my damage and with a decent tank too. The fight isn't even a close run thing so tell me again, why is my ship being nurfed? Lasers and Blasters have FoF ammo right? Right? And where are the tracking disruptors for missiles? ----------------------------------------------- "I said ENGLISH MOTHER******, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!?!" - Samuel L Jackson, Pulp Fiction
Lonli Lonki Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:55:00 - [135] Originally by: Zaphod Beblebrox2 I train to fly Caldari BS and buy a tier1 BS (Scorpian) and go up against another tier1 BS (Typhoon) and I go pop before I have done any real damage to his Armor. Yes I trained up all the support skills before getting into the Scorp and yes I did manage to Jam him and keep him jammed but with FOF's and Drones he still manages to out perform my damage and with a decent tank too. The fight isn't even a close run thing so tell me again, why is my ship being nurfed? u cant jamm drones too? ------------------ Dream Ship: Bonuses: 5% to siege and cruise ROF and 7.5% to target painter effectiveness per level Layout:hi8(4turret/4bay), med7, low4 Dronebay: 175m
LoKesh Amarr InQuest Ascension Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.17 16:37:00 - [136] Well, I think the bits I'd say have been said. So... I'll just ask this: Can we please get a dev response on this? What was/is the intention with how the changes will effect ECM dedicated ships? Is this being looked out? Or are we just all arguing for fun?


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