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Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.10.26 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.
WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?
You deserved to lose every single one of them.
Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.
03:00 is prime time now?
much love,
Bizarre --------------------
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 13:43:00 -
[122]
Lets face it, ASCN made mistakes in that battle, BoB did well to kill what they did.
It's called War..Move on with your lives..
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:00:00 -
[123]
Originally by: SARPIDON
I'm not a fan of the whole, 'the badies must be GM's it sux thing', each to their own, BUT Using this defence annoys me even more. The GM in question wasnt caught by any procedure that CCP had in place. His demise came about from a public questioning of the mods on his ship for such a young character. This questioning led CCP to look into the case and then kick his arse back to playing donkey kong or what ever the guy must be doing now... Who knows what a 'clever' GM (tm) might get away with if they were inclined....? If CCP's procedures were that tight and that controlled, What led a fairly new GM into thinking he could get away with it....? and sorry not knowing better just doesnt cut it.
I am pretty sure that it was actually BOB or maybe fix who posted it on Eve-O.
Pretty low accusation by ASCN to be honest. If you are going say something like that, provide a bit of proof at least. Or apologize.
On a side note, any chance people from ASCN or BOB could write up Seleene like posts for some of the bigger battles like this.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:03:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Serapis Aote I am pretty sure that it was actually BOB or maybe fix who posted it on Eve-O.
Indeed, I posted the thread in question.
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Garia666
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:03:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Garia666
Originally by: Adhamhnon
whine moan bob spies hax GM's grumble
I am sorry but i dont understand what you mean with this..
He is complaining about the fact that we use spies to obtain an advantage. Yes, we see everything ASCN does. However, the same is true in reverse, it's just ASCN covers it up while we openly state the facts.
ok thank you guys for clearing that up
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Garia666
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:07:00 -
[126]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55
Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.
Crapshoot I guess.
(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)
Are you implying that I am;
a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's? b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past? c) A CCP Dev?
First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.
Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.
Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?
Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.
I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.
Well you cant deny that there are no GM`s in BoB at all
NO GM`s in BoB
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:15:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.
Crapshoot I guess.
(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)
ROFL, I'm guessing McCreedy told you that.
Id dare say there are GM's/ISD/Devs in BoB, but Id also say they would be in ASCN too (molles spy ).
However I doubt anyone from CCP would be dumb enough to risk there job over a game
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SirMolle
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:18:00 -
[128]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55
Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.
Crapshoot I guess.
(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)
Are you implying that I am;
a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's? b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past? c) A CCP Dev?
First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.
Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.
Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?
Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.
I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.
Still waiting mr Riddari, you're welcome to apologize for your lies anytime.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:19:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Serapis Aote I am pretty sure that it was actually BOB or maybe fix who posted it on Eve-O.
Indeed, I posted the thread in question.
Thought so...
Any chance on cool seleene like battle reports from either side. It would be a flame fest for sure, but a nice read for those of us on the outside. And those of us too busy with work to actually play right now.
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:22:00 -
[130]
Mr. Drakma,
Thank you for a valiant attempt to step outside the ASCN spin machine. While parts of your post were very close to reality others were not. I would be willing to chalk that up to the fact you say you were not fleet commander during the battle so therfore rely on second hand info to produce your notes.
Allow me to clarify things for the peanut gallery.
- Bob didnt have a 60 BS Fleet in GQ2 for your scout to see. Our forces came from a variety of places and DID NOT stage out of GQ2. We did have some forces there but no where near that number.
UNLESS you scout perhaps was referring to the total number of b0b vessels passing thru that system in a period of time...
- The Battle Consisted of 2 Engagements (1) The Gate (2) The POS
b0b forces jumped into a heavily bubbled gate camp. Our forces were outnumbered and did not utilize any capitol support
The Node did not crash even though certain ASCN pilots did have multiple bookmarks in hold which when cans were looted by us I assume were petitioned.
The results in ASCN losses for those 2 engagements (spanning a thrilling time period of 32 minutes were as follows:
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:23:00 -
[131]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55
Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.
Crapshoot I guess.
(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)
Are you implying that I am;
a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's? b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past? c) A CCP Dev?
First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.
Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.
Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?
Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.
I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.
Still waiting mr Riddari, you're welcome to apologize for your lies anytime.
chill dude, dont take it so personally, take it as a compliment
Judging by your response hes certainly rattled your cage, is there an element of truth then?
Oh may I be so bold as to ask why you dont use your motherships? (are they bugged) just saw tundragons and the establishment use them, however you have 2 and dont?
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:25:00 -
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H8-ZTO 02:50 - 03:22 ASCN LOSSES 04 Apocalypse 02 Armageddon 04 Blackbird 02 Brutix 01 Buzzard 03 Caracal 01 Catalyst 01 Claw 02 Condor 01 Cormorant 03 Crow 01 Cyclone 02 Blackbird 02 Dominix 01 Ferox 05 Griffin 03 Harpy 01 Hawk 01 Helios 02 Incursus 02 Kestrel 03 Malediction 01 Maller 01 Merlin 03 Megathron 01 Moa 03 Moros 03 Naglfar 01 Navitas 02 Omen 01 Phoenix 02 Punisher 01 Purifier 01 Rapier 03 Raptor 02 Raven 02 Rifter 02 Rupture 05 Scorpion 01 Stiletto 01 Taranis 05 Tempest 03 Thorax 02 Thrasher 01 Typhoon 01 Vengeance
24 BS Lost 7 Cap Ships Lost
Should more nonsense about what you had at the gate arise please be aware before engaging the deep soak cycle on your spin machine that I have fraps of the jump in.
Thank you for your time.
Ria Sotori BNC Combat Report and Ebil Pod Ventilation Artist.
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:41:00 -
[133]
Originally by: KIAEddZ Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.
WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?
You deserved to lose every single one of them.
Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:42:00 -
[134]
as a side note to the ASCN pilots who stood there ground at the gate. May I say Good Fight and good game :D Some of the funnest pew pew Ive had so far in the war.
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hangnoose
Caldari Repo Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.26 14:48:00 -
[135]
Originally by: KIAEddZ Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.
WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?
You deserved to lose every single one of them.
Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.
I am kind of hoping for ascn to win this, but I will agree those dread fittings are just...... wrong?
A moros with T1 hardners and no T2 cap rechargers X_X
Well I guess hell only feels like an eternity...
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:11:00 -
[136]
I don't know which thread has more comedy in it, this one or the one that Cyvok posted the other day.
I'm now left with a cold cup of Irish cream coffee because I couldn't control my laughter while reading this thread...
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MrRx7
Amarr Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: MrRx7 on 26/10/2006 15:20:32 Edited by: MrRx7 on 26/10/2006 15:20:12
Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 26/10/2006 10:07:53
Originally by: MrRx7 Post
That IS a nice sig you got there!!! (yes, I know I'm off-topic, but I appreciate good work when I see it)
Thanks, A good friend of mine made it for me. On a side note the engangment was great fun, POS's losses were migatable but that was only one corp out of POS :)
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Farjung
Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Farjung on 26/10/2006 15:35:29 Bearing in mind that the first four BoB losses from that fight on the killboard (timed 02:50, 02:50, 02:51, 02:51) have 20 different ASCN battleships on them, the claim that they only had 10 on the gate when we jumped in can be taken as a bare-faced lie. The first few loss mails from ASCN at this time show 24 different BoB battleships. (40?!) I'll have to remember to start taking screenshots on jump-ins in future if this kind of behaviour is going to become the norm.
For what it's worth, from my point of view the battleship numbers were about even at the start of the fight (~25 a side), while in terms of support ASCN had a two to one advantage, along with two carriers worth of fighters. ASCN also had the position advantage, with an interdictor bubble and all their support on the gate, with their battleships out at range.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:54:00 -
[139]
Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18
The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).
I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).
I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).
Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.
No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.
We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...
1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.
But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:57:00 -
[140]
despite all that is being flung around in this thread I just wanted to say that was the most fun fight I have had since this war started and am pleased the server held together, thanks ccp, hopefully next time we will bring a different outcome till then gf and have fun
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:14:00 -
[141]
Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18
The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).
I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).
I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).
Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.
No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.
We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...
1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.
But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.
good post.. respect
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: XoPhyte The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).
I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).
I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).
Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.
No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.
We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...
1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.
But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.
That's a rather sensible post to be honest.
http://drunkenwanderingsthroughspace.blogspot.com
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N2IHC
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:22:00 -
[143]
Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18
The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).
I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).
I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).
Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.
No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.
We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...
1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.
But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.
Props for accepting the loss calmly and responding with firm determination.
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BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:25:00 -
[144]
Originally by: XoPhyte The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss)..
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:34:00 -
[145]
Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18
I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...
1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.
Ditto and Good post
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Dell
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:43:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Aberash
Originally by: XoPhyte stuff
more stuff
i give you 10 out of 10 for your sig! good show old chap i like it
BoB Killboard
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olddone
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:12:00 -
[147]
"7. Secondary target calling was non-existant. As soon as Tomcatt was popped, nobody called targets. Guys, you NEED to learn to step up to the plate and start calling targets.
Actually, a common problem in gangs but not in this one. Per assigned secondary callers did follow up the task. When they got killed others sang out but the lag by then at gate from cans and drones made it a moot point.
It was a good fight, ASCN FC did a super job with what he had. The force stayed at the gate with orders to die at the gate and the troopers did so.
gf lets do it again.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:24:00 -
[148]
Quote: (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted).
Yours would be too if your pilots had confidence and true determination to win. You don't bring a Trabant to the formula 1 races and expect to get anywhere. I spent most of that fight getting scratched for peanuts by a couple of megathrons who apparently had 350 rail T1s on, having looked at the mails afterward.
I know I keep banging on about this point but your guys really don't seem to appreciate the difference it makes when you fit kit that can actually hit the target at range/do decent damage. If you want to hold on to some of the richest regions in the game, with your all-rounder/industrial alliance, you need to put up the money and take risks.
And I don't want to see any buhu about us having the 425/1400 bpos either. Cos we don't.
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Silvero
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:29:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Silvero on 26/10/2006 17:31:51
Originally by: Farham
Quote: i count 57 kills, and 19 BS b4 any dread deaths.. now i didnt check for the same pilot returning to the battle.. but your numbers seems to be "spun" quite alot tbh
I am no math genius but wouldn't 19 BS kills before the dreads met their fate fully support Drakma stating ASCN started off with approx 10 BSs on gate and that some more had popped through and joined the gate battle?
Thank you DICE and BOB member Thoth Foc for doing the homework and verifying those numbers on the BOB Kill Boards. It is amazing what sorts of logical and factual numbers can come from the BOB war machine, even if it was an accident.
Well im for once will not come with the accusation, infact i will point out the rather obvious failures in interpreting our killboard. To end all the disscussions about battleships numbers i have checked all numbers, meaning both alliances losses and participaition of kills in the System of interest between the time stamps 02:50 - 03:06. Its seemes that this actually was the time the fight for system control occured.
The number i got was kinda far from the op numbers:
Originally by: Drakma
After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.
The numbers was 29 ascn+buddies VS 29 bob. Between does times.
You need to add the failure to etimate fleets siezes both as scouts and fc to the list.
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Drake Modain
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.26 17:56:00 -
[150]
This thread is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous for ASCN to be self-posting their own private forum information regardless of who may be spying.
It's ridiculous to have 7 pages of responses to slam the guy for what may or may not even be intentional misinformation.
You would think simply a "here are the correct facts, based upon kill boards, our numbers etc".
That single post, if it was made maturely would have done 10x more than this 7 pages of spewing crap is going to do for the huge majority of people reading this to get the true scoop of what's happening. All this e-peen measuring, name calling, 10 year old crap filling in these 8 pages is just ridiculous. You have class in the game, why can't we have some class on the forum?
It's war, spin happens, doesn't mean either side has to give an avalanche of hate-posts every time it does. Call people out on the BS, put up you version of events and let intelligent people make their own conclusions.
I'm ashamed for both sides right now. Not that that matters as I'm a nobody anyway, but some of you should be ashamed of yourself. Everyone here wants respect but we all seem to do the very thing that makes people disrespect us, I wonder why?
Meh, I've been gulty myself in the past, but this kinda thing on eve forum is reaching ludicrious proportaions.
Kudos on the few people that posted with level heads and weren't insulting each other.
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