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I'm posting this in an open channel for all to read and learn from. I'll be giving my opinions on what went wrong and hopefully how we can improve. I expect this to be a long read.

There is no intent in this post to flame anybody personally; anything I write here mentioning a person will be to either praise them or hopefully give them some insight in what they can do better.

With that, let the Report Begin
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At approximately 01:56 EVE 10 Dreads beloning to CLS-F, VAF, STK-S and TLSW left AZN and followed the dread chain to H8-.

At approximately 02:03 we enter H8- and group at the Friendly POS for bios and to get warpin information on the BoB POS. In addition to that, I confirm what the POS has for modules and we fit appropriate ammo.

At 02:15 We warp to the 6-5 BoB tower with hardners on and reppers running to counter and CTDs that could occur during the load of the POS. At this time, there were 379 in Alliance chat and 107 in H8- local. Of those 107, 10 are from the Dread Fleet, 9 are POS and 2 are BoB. Quick math says this is about a 25% participation rate.

At 02:16 We begin the siege on the POS.

During the siege, we've kept a close eye on intelligence reports of a BoB fleet in GQ2 of approximately 35 ships. We will later learn that it wasn't 35 ships, it was 35 BS that was supposed to be relayed.

** Lesson ** When relaying/giving intelligence, you MUST be precise in what you say.

After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

At 02:47 BoB enters H8- local. There was a fair amount of lag for me personally when they jumped in. Modules wouldn't turn on for a good 5-10 minutes. I'm not aware if anybody else had this issue or not.

After a few minutes of battle at the gate, the BoB fleet controlled the system.

At 03:01 2 Dreads pilots had crashed and were attempting to log back in. Queue for me was 2 minutes.

At 03:07 the BoB fleet gathers at their POS to begin shooting our dreads. By this time, the 2 CTD'd pilots had logged back on and were in the process of repairing lost armor and regaining cap.

It was too late at that point. The warpin lag from the BoB fleet caused one of my accounts to crash again while I was somewhat lagged on my other account.

Between 03:07 and 03:10 3 Naglfars, 3 Moros and 1 Phoenix were destroyed. The other 3 pilots were able to cyno out to save their ships.

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That's the events and how they played out according to my notes. I took approximations based upon the intelligence I had at the time and from talking to other members.

The following are my opinions and suggestions:

1. Tomcatt did an AMAZING job with teh support fleet in H8-. He did wonders with the ships that were available to him. We should all thank him for a job well done.

2. Thank you Zlake, Lost Soul666 and Genrom for your cynos.

3. Thank you Metacannibal for getting the AZN gang to H8- in an orderly fashion.

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4. We only had 25% participation from online pilots. Let's do some quick math to figure this out. With 400 in Alliance, 100 in gang and approximating 2 pilots per member on average, that leaves 200 members that didn't bother to show up or help out. This is where we lose. There is no excuse for not showing up. I had reports of a large group of people mining, ratting and plexing while this was taking place. Alts or not, this MUST stop. Even if you're mining on an alt while fighting, you MUST log that alt off. ASCN needs to learn that during war, the fight is your primary responsability. Logging your alt off for a few minutes doesn't hurt anything. Once the battle is complete, go right back to what you were doing.

5. There was clearly not enough large ship support. While Tomcat did an awesome job with what he had, he could have done more if the right ships had been brought. From the looks of it, it appears as if most of you were in T1 cruisers or frigs. This MUST stop. A LOT can be accomplished if you bring the right ship. If you can't afford anything but a T1 cruiser then we need to have another discussion.

6. Target calling was not good. Tomcatt started off great, but apparently it got to a point where the targets were just too far away for the T1 cruisers to even lock. Tomcatt, I think you can become better from this by studying the ships in your gang before you engage to find your weaknesses and strong points. Personally, I imagine any fleet I FC as an extention of me. I know what my ships can do and what they can't do. I then move/adapt mid stream to focus on the gangs strong points. Again Tomcatt, awesome job. I would be happy to fly with you any day. Let's see what we can learn from this.

7. Secondary target calling was non-existant. As soon as Tomcatt was popped, nobody called targets. Guys, you NEED to learn to step up to the plate and start calling targets. It doesn't take much to do. Pick some names and do it. If you know that a target is causing too much grief for your gang, don't be afraid to switch primaries.

I'll add more to this as I can, but I'd like to get this up for now so you can all see what happened and hopefully we can have a peacfull discussion of how we can improve here.

As of this moment, 2 of the dreads have already been replaced and are sitting in the hangars now. Replacements for the other dreads will be here within a couple days.

This is where ASCN shines; replacement dreads in a couple days is just amazing.

In closing, I really do hope that we can learn from this. I already can see what we can do when BoB brings their capital fleet to ASCN space. That right there is a tremendous help. But, let's remember one thing: BoB will come (and reports point to this weekend) and we WILL need participation of close to 100%. Let's figure out a way that we can get our members to come to the fight ready to rock and roll.

Again guys, we may have lost some dreads and some BS tonight, but we still have Sov, our dread losses will be replaced in a couple days and we had some fun.

Now, I just have to wait for this post to appear on the EVE-O forums....

Keep up the good work guys...

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Dammit, beat me to it. Oh well, next time.

Here's a hint; Stop trying to find excuses, and deal with reality when trying to fix flaws.

You lost 7 dreads and 20-30 bships in one engagement. Deal with it.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Dammit, beat me to it. Oh well, next time.

Here's a hint; Stop trying to find excuses, and deal with reality when trying to fix flaws.

You lost 7 dreads and 20-30 bships in one engagement. Deal with it.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Dammit, beat me to it. Oh well, next time.

Here's a hint; Stop trying to find excuses, and deal with reality when trying to fix flaws.

You lost 7 dreads and 20-30 bships in one engagement. Deal with it.

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Originally by: TWD

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110 ASCN in H8, ~60 in our gang sounds right.

Those numbers about shiptypes are off.

You mention 10 battleships in your gang? How come we killed around 30 battleships ?

The battleship numbers looked pretty damn even to me.

Your side had more support, and we jumped in.

Good fight, try again.

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During the siege, we've kept a close eye on intelligence reports of a BoB fleet in GQ2 of approximately 35 ships. We will later learn that it wasn't 35 ships, it was 35 BS that was supposed to be relayed.

** Lesson ** When relaying/giving intelligence, you MUST be precise in what you say.

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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We jumped into your Interdictor camp heavily outnumbered, and decimated your fleet.

Trying claiming we have a 40 to 10 bs advantage and your intel was wrong is trying to make escuses. Battleship numbers were even at best.

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Constructive SirMolle posts -1. Seeing a BoB CEO smacktalk on the forums is new to me at least. Does he do this much, guys?

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Originally by: Drakma

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After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

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Originally by: Reddari

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Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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We jumped into your Interdictor camp heavily outnumbered, and decimated your fleet.

Trying claiming we have a 40 to 10 bs advantage and your intel was wrong is trying to make escuses. Battleship numbers were even at best.

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I think you need to take some reading comprehension courses.

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Drakma

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After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

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There, see it now? I comprehend that your full of it.

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1. I would sugest you tell your pilots to stop using bookmarks on their cargoholds.


2. Dont camp with drones deployed, wait for the battle to start, then deploy them

1. The two carriers you had in system with drones deployed


2. Again has was stated above, we killed 29 battleships, first at the gate, and minutes later at the pos, out of 10 you say you had there

Originally by: Rift Scorn

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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We jumped into your Interdictor camp heavily outnumbered, and decimated your fleet.

Trying claiming we have a 40 to 10 bs advantage and your intel was wrong is trying to make escuses. Battleship numbers were even at best.

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I think you need to take some reading comprehension courses.

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You need to take some Math comprehension classes if you seriously think you only had 10 BS on that gate.

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Drakma

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After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

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There, see it now? I comprehend that your full of it.

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No, I still think you don't see it.

1) I said those numbers were approximations

2) At the time you jumped in, the H8- gang consisted of approximately 10 BS

3) An additional gang came in from HH well after the engagement had already started. Those numbers were not included in what was in H8-

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Originally by: algorythm

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Edited by: algorythm on 26/10/2006 06:52:24
To avoid lag:

1. I would sugest you tell your pilots to stop using bookmarks on their cargoholds.


2. Dont camp with drones deployed, wait for the battle to start, then deploy them

This lags the system, the node, lags us, lags you.


You forgot to mention:

1. The two carriers you had in system with drones deployed


2. Again has was stated above, we killed 29 battleships, first at the gate, and minutes later at the pos, out of 10 you say you had there

Overall, a good fight, thanks for not running away this time!

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Drakma

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After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

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There, see it now? I comprehend that your full of it.

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No, I still think you don't see it.

1) I said those numbers were approximations

2) At the time you jumped in, the H8- gang consisted of approximately 10 BS

3) An additional gang came in from HH well after the engagement had already started. Those numbers were not included in what was in H8-

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No, that's not an estimation. See, what you've done is combine an exaggeration (Our BS numbers) with a lie (your BS numbers) to create what most would describe as an escuse. Rift and I read just fine, TY.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Look guys, just post the factual kills results and people will draw their own conlclusions about the numbers given by Drakma.

In the mean while, gj on the pre-emptive spin there Drakma. You're admitting just enough of the obvious shortcomings of your alliance organisation in this instance to get away with, yet are able to put it all in a semi-contructive tone so as to nicely downplay the fact that it was just crappy play that lost you this one.

Next time it's going to be the same btw. And the time after that, and after that, etc. etc. Replace all you want, at some point it's going to be just you and your dread accounts remaining, and it will all end in tears.

And one free tip for you: don't run multiple accounts with dreads. Participation may be low, but trying to cover that with mutliple accounts is just asking to be spanked tbh. It won't fly in POS-fights.

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Rift Scorn

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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We jumped into your Interdictor camp heavily outnumbered, and decimated your fleet.

Trying claiming we have a 40 to 10 bs advantage and your intel was wrong is trying to make escuses. Battleship numbers were even at best.

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I think you need to take some reading comprehension courses.

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You need to take some Math comprehension classes if you seriously think you only had 10 BS on that gate.

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I'll just assume that you have the same problem reading what I wrote as your fellow alliance mate.

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Originally by: TyPower

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LOL This is so familiar.

Lose...Check alliance chat....note the numbers....wonder why they dont show up...,speculate on carebear activities...***** about it (albeit not publicly on the forums) (a bad move all round)

FYI the next step in this chain (and Ive seen it sooooo many times before) is, basically, your alliance falls apart. Watch as the pvp corps start leaving ASCN, justifying their actions by saying they dont want to defend a bunch of carebears no more.

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Originally by: Drakma

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2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use.

3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10.

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Originally by: Reddari

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Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:03:48

edit: Nice Drakma, but playing with the numbers that way is not very impressive. You knew very well that more died, and thus more were there. You're just downplaying the loss again.

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Originally by: Randay

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Originally by: Drakma

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2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use.

3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10.

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So you repost here a post only meant for ASCN members to read. And then get all mad when people dont see things the way you do. And I guess "various other ships" means "various other battleships, dreadnoughts, and carriers"? The killboard tells a great story.

I think I have decided to laugh instead of cry. yes.

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Originally by: Garia666

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i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion

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Originally by: Drakma

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And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week.

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Originally by: Miss Overlord

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the truth upfront can be helpful in nullifying excess propaganda

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: algorythm

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Edited by: algorythm on 26/10/2006 06:52:24
To avoid lag:

1. I would sugest you tell your pilots to stop using bookmarks on their cargoholds.


2. Dont camp with drones deployed, wait for the battle to start, then deploy them

This lags the system, the node, lags us, lags you.


You forgot to mention:

1. The two carriers you had in system with drones deployed


2. Again has was stated above, we killed 29 battleships, first at the gate, and minutes later at the pos, out of 10 you say you had there

Overall, a good fight, thanks for not running away this time!

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1) Give me the names of the pilots with bookmarks. It'll be handled.

2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use.

3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10.

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Garia666

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i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion

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He may as well before BoB just uses one of their spies to post it here anyway. Would have been nice to see a straight up clean war, but when one side feels the need to use your own forums against you in their version of a propaganda war, and use all kinds of underhanded spying and such, (I didn't say exploit, before I get flamed for it, but it still is pretty pathetic) you may as well beat them to the punch.

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Originally by: Randay

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dont know whether to laugh or to cry.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:24:17

Originally by: Drakma

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And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week.

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That's nice for you.
But it's not helping you populate your fleets much is it ?

ASCN have yet to win a battle in this war, doesn't that strike you as somewhat of a problem when we're about a month into it already ?

You may have gotten a gank here and there, won about three and a half of the two hundred or so skirmishes with frig/cruiser gangs, but have won not a single real fight where it mattered.

How do you figure you're going to turn that around so as to get better fleet composition and turnout ? If people simply know that boarding that pvp ship is equal to losing it in a silly way within a day, they're not likely to board something usefull and expensive, or anything at all for that matter.

Do you think that downplaying the losses under protection of the excuse that you 'forgot' to check your facts before posting is really going to help there ? Or that saying you personally build 30 BS a week will help others decide to take the one they built into a fight to lose it ? (I'd say they're more likely to wonder where those 30 BS/week end up)

Well, maybe it will. It's better then saying we faked the killmails, that's for sure...

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Originally by: TyPower

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LOL This is so familiar.

Lose...Check alliance chat....note the numbers....wonder why they dont show up...,speculate on carebear activities...***** about it (albeit not publicly on the forums) (a bad move all round)

FYI the next step in this chain (and Ive seen it sooooo many times before) is, basically, your alliance falls apart. Watch as the pvp corps start leaving ASCN, justifying their actions by saying they dont want to defend a bunch of carebears no more.

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Originally by: Miv333

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ROFL BIGGEST LIE EVER

LETS POST ONPUBLIC EVE FORUMS FOR ONLY ASCN MEMBERS TO READ ROFLROFLRFOL ASCN IS TOO POOR FOR THEIR OWN FORUMS!?!

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Originally by: TyPower

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LOL This is so familiar.

Lose...Check alliance chat....note the numbers....wonder why they dont show up...,speculate on carebear activities...***** about it (albeit not publicly on the forums) (a bad move all round)

FYI the next step in this chain (and Ive seen it sooooo many times before) is, basically, your alliance falls apart. Watch as the pvp corps start leaving ASCN, justifying their actions by saying they dont want to defend a bunch of carebears no more.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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All true (well, i havent checked the market for those bs actually).

Let's keep it at a small error of judegement then. It would be smart to avoid giving us forum-ammo next time by checking your numbers to make sure they wwere correct.

Actually, you deserve a compliment tbh. You seem to be much better at this then Cyvok and most certainly then Mccreedy or samuraijack. The truth content of your post may not have been 100%, but it's been closer hten anything else i've seen come forth from ASCN spokesmen in a good while

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Originally by: Mirasta

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After all the smack is said and done, i must say props to ASCN yo have the balls to fight back and even take the fight to BOB.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Nice to see a real battle report of any kind coming out of this. Kudos, Drakma.

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Originally by: posix4e

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If you wanna call me a lier, then I'll give you my address and phone number and we can take care of it like men. Outside of that shut your trap! In some parts of the world, challenging someone in this way is a very serious insult.

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Originally by: Rebellion

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or whether you stick to the strategy of a High Command that has trouble telling whether a station belongs to BoB or not.

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Originally by: Drakma

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I see 12 losses tbh; what jumped in after the dreads were popped I am unaware of. And according to your killboard, I only see 24. I am aware of another gang jumping in but at the time I took those numbers, they weren't there.

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ProphetGuru > we gonna Donkeypunch SA

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Originally by: Drakma

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1. We only had 25% participation from online pilots. This is where we lose. There is no excuse for not showing up. I had reports of a large group of people mining, ratting and plexing while this was taking place.
2. There was clearly not enough large ship support. From the looks of it, it appears as if most of you were in T1 cruisers or frigs. This MUST stop.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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1. What is the magic number of accounts we should expect to be on the front lines? 25%, 50%, 100%? Fact is we need to keep our industrial arm up and running. We need to keep building ships, mining fuels/minerals and pushing forward as an Alliance even with the War in full swing.
2. If you are rat hunting ALL LOOT needs to be collected and delivered to a refinery. Most hunters can create enough loot to build a Battle Ship in about 4-6 hours.

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Originally by: Darkstar BP

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1. Each corporation has its own role to play in the ASCN effort, and for some that doesn't always mean that they have to be fulltime on the front lines. We are just as happy about a corporation that contributes more in the building effort, as to a corporation that participates more in the fighting effort.
2. Yes, we took losses, but a 1000 battleships on a 4900 member alliance, with all the insurance, means nothing.

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Originally by: RaptorX

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2. If I lose a ship, I simply send a quick eve mail to my corp's industrialist and viola! I have a new ship at less than cost, in under 24 hours! (thanks Max!!)

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Originally by: Lucre

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2. (on '1000 BS losses') Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week.

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Originally by: Ian Novarider

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2. Low cost BS replacement programs may have started a bit slow, but they are in full swing now, with BS coming off the assembly lines at a very satisfying rate and price. And those who dont have cash are offered cash by their mates.

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Originally by: Iluminat

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There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots.
Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O.

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Originally by: wizzard66

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Originally by: Iluminat

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There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots.
Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O.

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So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them????
Lovely..

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Originally by: Ilmonstre

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go ascn go

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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Originally by: Iluminat

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Originally by: wizzard66

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Originally by: Iluminat

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There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots.
Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O.

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So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them????
Lovely..

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Well if you post something external it's not internal anymore: get it

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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LUKEC: maybe I am missing something but didnt you jump from PA to the people that killed PA? If yes then why are you lecturing people about dedication?

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Originally by: Drakma

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The only mention of losses were the 7 dreads and a few BS. And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week.

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Originally by: Jacob Majestic

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Umm, why don't you just use the correct dread?

Originally by: wizzard66

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Originally by: Iluminat

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Originally by: wizzard66

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Originally by: Iluminat

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There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots.
Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O.

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So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them????
Lovely..

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Well if you post something external it's not internal anymore: get it

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Ah okay so you do want to discuss internal problems if they are being posted external.
Well, your leaders serve you well.

What i do get is that you are calling it: YOUR WAR.
Now thats great. So you are mining for.. their war...
Kinda summarises how divided you allready are now isnt it?
I kinda expected you to think about it as our war :-) C'mon and join in, you might like it :-)

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Originally by: Raznarok

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*gets prodded in the eye from all the e-peens being waved around*

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Originally by: Tzrailasa

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(and that there are no american tanks in Bagh..., eh, BoB ships in Paragon Soul).

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Originally by: Riddari

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Originally by: Tzrailasa

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(and that there are no american tanks in Bagh..., eh, BoB ships in Paragon Soul).

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There is not an ASCN station in Fountain, honest.

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Garia666

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i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion

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He may as well before BoB just uses one of their spies to post it here anyway. Would have been nice to see a straight up clean war, but when one side feels the need to use your own forums against you in their version of a propaganda war, and use all kinds of underhanded spying and such, (I didn't say exploit, before I get flamed for it, but it still is pretty pathetic) you may as well beat them to the punch.

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Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Originally by: Bretonia

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What he means is BOB will have posted this anyway as they have access to ASCN forums and try to use our posts against us to make us look silly etc etc

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Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Originally by: Drakma

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Again guys, we may have lost some dreads and some BS tonight, but we still have Sov, our dread losses will be replaced in a couple days and we had some fun.

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Originally by: Stamm

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Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing

Originally by: Riwer

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Originally by: Drakma

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Again guys, we may have lost some dreads and some BS tonight, but we still have Sov, our dread losses will be replaced in a couple days and we had some fun.

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Is your english the same as my english? Let's say you're a buss driver. Let's say you drive a school bus filled with kids. Let's say you drive along and come across a speed sign that says 30. But you misread it and continue driving in 70.
You drive off the road, bus tips over, falls off a cliff, smash into a tree and finally explodes.
Miraculously you survive and later when the reporters are asking what happened you say:

"We had some fun!"

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Originally by: MrRx7

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Post

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Originally by: Riwer

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Is your english the same as my english? Let's say you're a buss driver. Let's say you drive a school bus filled with kids. Let's say you drive along and come across a speed sign that says 30. But you misread it and continue driving in 70.
You drive off the road, bus tips over, falls off a cliff, smash into a tree and finally explodes.
Miraculously you survive and later when the reporters are asking what happened you say:

"We had some fun!"

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Originally by: StarLite

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This battle had 1 *major* drawback..
I wasn't there :(

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55

Originally by: Riddari

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RABBLE RABBLE

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RAR

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Originally by: Coupo

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Stop claiming we are GMs/Devs/Ninjas because were not.

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Originally by: Coupo

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Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2006 10:52:01

Originally by: StarLite

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This battle had 1 *major* drawback..
I wasn't there :(

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make that 2 major drawbacks
i wasnt there either

Originally by: SirMolle

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Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55

Originally by: Riddari

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RABBLE RABBLE

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DEVBOBSPLOIT

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Im the CEO of CCP, SirMolle is fired!
Stop claiming we are GMs/Devs/Ninjas because were not.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Riddari you realise that if you dont bring proofs you make us all look like clowns yes?

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Originally by: Riddari

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Riddari

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There is not an ASCN station in Fountain, honest.

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2006.10.26 09:23:05 Notify The station Yoshimi Outpost has been captured by Dark Nebula Gallente Division corporation!

Look you are right!

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Riwer

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Very clever and funny post.

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This has to be the most retarded post I read in 6 month. And I read these forums lots.

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Originally by: Audrea

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Quote:

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During the siege, we've kept a close eye on intelligence reports of a BoB fleet in GQ2 of approximately 35 ships. We will later learn that it wasn't 35 ships, it was 35 BS that was supposed to be relayed.

** Lesson ** When relaying/giving intelligence, you MUST be precise in what you say.

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It is equally the fault of the scout, as it is of the FC, who didnt ask for clarification on the shiptypes

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Originally by: Synapse Archae

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Dammit, beat me to it. Oh well, next time.

Here's a hint; Stop trying to find excuses, and deal with reality when trying to fix flaws.

You lost 7 dreads and 20-30 bships in one engagement. Deal with it.

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Constructive SirMolle posts -1. Seeing a BoB CEO smacktalk on the forums is new to me at least. Does he do this much, guys?

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Originally by: Riwer

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Riwer

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Very clever and funny post.

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This has to be the most retarded post I read in 6 month. And I read these forums lots.

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Please explain why you find it that way, so I can improve my posts in the future.

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Originally by: Dopefish

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I think you need to borrow some tactics from the goons, and maybe an FC or two.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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Originally by: Coupo

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Edited by: Coupo on 26/10/2006 10:52:01

Originally by: StarLite

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This battle had 1 *major* drawback..
I wasn't there :(

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make that 2 major drawbacks
i wasnt there either

.

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Originally by: Abriana Overlord

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I missed the fight as my mom shut off the power to the basement for not eating all my dinner so no quake or eve for me

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Riddari you realise that if you dont bring proofs you make us all look like clowns yes?

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Edited by: LUKEC on 26/10/2006 07:53:31

Originally by: Mirasta

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After all the smack is said and done, i must say props to ASCN yo have the balls to fight back and even take the fight to BOB.

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Check where h8- is.
Edit: About fighting back... POS definitely showed far more spirit than ASCN. Guess smaller groups are way more dedicated.

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Originally by: Remmington Daniels

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Riddari you realise that if you dont bring proofs you make us all look like clowns yes?

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You look like clowns anyway, you have done for months now and the rest of the eve universe knows about the truth now.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Riddari you realise that if you dont bring proofs you make us all look like clowns yes?

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Quote:

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i count 57 kills, and 19 BS b4 any dread deaths.. now i didnt check for the same pilot returning to the battle.. but your numbers seems to be "spun" quite alot tbh

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Originally by: SARPIDON

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I'm not a fan of the whole, 'the badies must be GM's it sux thing', each to their own, BUT Using this defence annoys me even more.
The GM in question wasnt caught by any procedure that CCP had in place. His demise came about from a public questioning of the mods on his ship for such a young character. This questioning led CCP to look into the case and then kick his arse back to playing donkey kong or what ever the guy must be doing now...
Who knows what a 'clever' GM (tm) might get away with if they were inclined....?
If CCP's procedures were that tight and that controlled, What led a fairly new GM into thinking he could get away with it....? and sorry not knowing better just doesnt cut it.

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Originally by: Reite

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Everyone please stop posting till ridari answers. We wouldnt want it to drown in smack;)

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Originally by: Robert Dobbs

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Originally by: SARPIDON

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I'm not a fan of the whole, 'the badies must be GM's it sux thing', each to their own, BUT Using this defence annoys me even more.
The GM in question wasnt caught by any procedure that CCP had in place. His demise came about from a public questioning of the mods on his ship for such a young character. This questioning led CCP to look into the case and then kick his arse back to playing donkey kong or what ever the guy must be doing now...
Who knows what a 'clever' GM (tm) might get away with if they were inclined....?
If CCP's procedures were that tight and that controlled, What led a fairly new GM into thinking he could get away with it....? and sorry not knowing better just doesnt cut it.

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Wait, I just want to know this for clarification.

Do you actually believe that SirMolle is a GM? Or are you just acting stupid to bid for pity?

The truth is, of course, that there are probably some GM's in BoB, as i'm sure there are in ASCN.

Will they use their powers to influence the game other than their usual duties as a GM? If you believe they will, you'd better give up and cancel your account now. Talk about paranoia.

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Quote:

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I'm not a fan of the whole, 'the badies must be GM's it sux thing', each to their own, BUT Using this defence annoys me even more.
The GM in question wasnt caught by any procedure that CCP had in place. His demise came about from a public questioning of the mods on his ship for such a young character. This questioning led CCP to look into the case and then kick his arse back to playing donkey kong or what ever the guy must be doing now...
Who knows what a 'clever' GM (tm) might get away with if they were inclined....?
If CCP's procedures were that tight and that controlled, What led a fairly new GM into thinking he could get away with it....? and sorry not knowing better just doesnt cut it.

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Originally by: Farham

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Quote:

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i count 57 kills, and 19 BS b4 any dread deaths.. now i didnt check for the same pilot returning to the battle.. but your numbers seems to be "spun" quite alot tbh

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I am no math genius but wouldn't 19 BS kills before the dreads met their fate fully support Drakma stating ASCN started off with approx 10 BSs on gate and that some more had popped through and joined the gate battle?

Thank you DICE and BOB member Thoth Foc for doing the homework and verifying those numbers on the BOB Kill Boards. It is amazing what sorts of logical and factual numbers can come from the BOB war machine, even if it was an accident.

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Originally by: Drakma

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Originally by: Reite

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Everyone please stop posting till ridari answers. We wouldnt want it to drown in smack;)

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I've asked him to rethink his forum posting methods. So unless you're asking for the thread to die (which I doubt) you shouldn't hold your breath.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.

WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?

You deserved to lose every single one of them.

Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.

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Originally by: SARPIDON

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I'm not a fan of the whole, 'the badies must be GM's it sux thing', each to their own, BUT Using this defence annoys me even more.
The GM in question wasnt caught by any procedure that CCP had in place. His demise came about from a public questioning of the mods on his ship for such a young character. This questioning led CCP to look into the case and then kick his arse back to playing donkey kong or what ever the guy must be doing now...
Who knows what a 'clever' GM (tm) might get away with if they were inclined....?
If CCP's procedures were that tight and that controlled, What led a fairly new GM into thinking he could get away with it....? and sorry not knowing better just doesnt cut it.

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Originally by: Serapis Aote

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I am pretty sure that it was actually BOB or maybe fix who posted it on Eve-O.

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Originally by: Robert Dobbs

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Originally by: Garia666

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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whine moan bob spies hax GM's grumble

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I am sorry but i dont understand what you mean with this..

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He is complaining about the fact that we use spies to obtain an advantage. Yes, we see everything ASCN does. However, the same is true in reverse, it's just ASCN covers it up while we openly state the facts.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55

Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Are you implying that I am;

a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's?
b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past?
c) A CCP Dev?

First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.

Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.

Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?

Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.

I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.

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Originally by: Robert Dobbs

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Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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ROFL, I'm guessing McCreedy told you that.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55

Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Are you implying that I am;

a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's?
b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past?
c) A CCP Dev?

First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.

Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.

Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?

Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.

I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Serapis Aote

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I am pretty sure that it was actually BOB or maybe fix who posted it on Eve-O.

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Indeed, I posted the thread in question.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55

Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Are you implying that I am;

a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's?
b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past?
c) A CCP Dev?

First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof.

Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland.

Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland?

Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true.

I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.

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Still waiting mr Riddari, you're welcome to apologize for your lies anytime.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.

WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?

You deserved to lose every single one of them.

Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Having read 5 pages of smack, I only actually have a single comment.

WTF were you doing with 10 dreads in a system in PRIME TIME with only a handful of battleships, and some suppport craft to protect them?

You deserved to lose every single one of them.

Some time the lessons you learn the hard way are the lessons you really learn.

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Originally by: Tzrailasa

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Edited by: Tzrailasa on 26/10/2006 10:07:53

Originally by: MrRx7

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Post

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That IS a nice sig you got there!!! (yes, I know I'm off-topic, but I appreciate good work when I see it)

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18


The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).

I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).

I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).

Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.

No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.

We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...

1) Don't control any space of their own
2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob.
3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.

But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).

I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).

I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).

Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.

No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.

We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...

1) Don't control any space of their own
2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob.
3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.

But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18


The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).

I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).

I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).

Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.

No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.

We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...

1) Don't control any space of their own
2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob.
3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.

But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss)..

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18

I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...

1) Don't control any space of their own
2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob.
3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.

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Originally by: Aberash

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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stuff

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more stuff

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Quote:

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(I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted).

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Originally by: Farham

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Quote:

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i count 57 kills, and 19 BS b4 any dread deaths.. now i didnt check for the same pilot returning to the battle.. but your numbers seems to be "spun" quite alot tbh

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I am no math genius but wouldn't 19 BS kills before the dreads met their fate fully support Drakma stating ASCN started off with approx 10 BSs on gate and that some more had popped through and joined the gate battle?

Thank you DICE and BOB member Thoth Foc for doing the homework and verifying those numbers on the BOB Kill Boards. It is amazing what sorts of logical and factual numbers can come from the BOB war machine, even if it was an accident.

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Originally by: Drakma

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After learning that it's a BoB gang of about 60 (including 40 BS) the gang at the gate gets ready for action. The ASCN support gang in H8- consisted of approximately 10 BS and the rest in various ship sizes.

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Originally by: Son Xo

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I once respected BOB and I still admit they are great PVP:ers. Its sad to see some BOBs response to Drakmas thread. We lost and suffered a defeat yesterday and we need/will learn from it.

BOB engaged us, we outnumbered them, we had a good fight but we lost. Why can¦t BOB take it as it was. We admit the battle lost.Be happy! End of story. Instead you just have to smack and just dig for any opportunity to find a "lie", like "no it wasnt 10 BSs it was actually 14, ASCN liers". But I guess respectful fights and discussion belongs to the past.

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Originally by: Reddari

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Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.

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Originally by: Ricarda M

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"6. Target calling was not good. Tomcatt started off great, but apparently it got to a point where the targets were just too far away for the T1 cruisers to even lock."

poor Fleetcomannder!

Guys why Tech 1 Cruisers in Fleetbattle?
Fly Tech II BS and dont shoot on the Frigs for a damn Killmail .. hear on Target-Calling and you have a Chance ... noone is uber in Eve!

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Originally by: Havras

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Keep bringing the fights BOB your making us learn and adapt and I'll take every lesson I can get and use it as best I can when I can.

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Originally by: Logan Feynman

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Originally by: Havras

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Keep bringing the fights BOB your making us learn and adapt and I'll take every lesson I can get and use it as best I can when I can.

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That stronger and more bonded group you find among your brothers in arms will be the seed of a new, stronger alliance, somewhere far from the space you are now in.

This has happened before. It will happen again.

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18


The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult).

I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss).

I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force).

Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums.

No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP.

We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they...

1) Don't control any space of their own
2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob.
3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations.

But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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*snip*

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That's a rather sensible post to be honest.

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Originally by: Celero Incendium

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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*snip*

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That's a rather sensible post to be honest.

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It's a shame we don't see more like it from BoB. Every "reasonable" post I've read from BoB has had a (not so subtle) psychological attack built right into it.

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Originally by: Kye Kenshin

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I'm amazed just how bad you guys are at fighting a war.

Did you really spend so much time being Isk-*****s in your precious shire that you forgot to even learn basic fleet and strategy techniques.

You have no hope in hell of winning this war, the only obstacle to BoB is POS reinforcment timers.

I would feel sorry for you guys if it wasn't for the fact you deserve this.

Heres a friendly hint for ASCN FCs, fly in cov ops ships so your whole fleet isnt ****** when you get called primary.

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Originally by: El'hith

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I cant believe i wasted my time reading this

Shame on BOB for just flaming and smalking a thread where ASCN ADMITTED their failings and congradulated you on your work

So you return the compliment with about 7 pages of flame.

Gratz To ASCN, wish you the best of luck in all this.

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Originally by: Riddari

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I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not.

Crapshoot I guess.


(Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past)

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Celero Incendium

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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*snip*

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That's a rather sensible post to be honest.

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It's a shame we don't see more like it from BoB. Every "reasonable" post I've read from BoB has had a (not so subtle) psychological attack built right into it.

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And this one doesn't?

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Originally by: Rockafella79

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Well to be honest i just wish some of you (Alliances) gets destroyed from the ******* map.

Iam so sick tired of all ******* crap between BoB vs Ascn. Don't you guys get it, WE DONT CARE how GREAT YOU ARE in battle of HOW MANY SHIPS you lost/destroyed in a fight.

This is a ******* game so keep you damn discussions in your own forums where you can smacktalk as much as you like.

In war you lose and do win figths so why make it so damn special every time some1 wins a fight.

Ps!

Ban all the post that have to do with BoB vs Ascn in the future.

And IAM not a ******* Bob or Ascn Alt.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.

-CYVOK-

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