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Son Xo Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:59:00 - [151] I once respected BOB and I still admit they are great PVP:ers. Its sad to see some BOBs response to Drakmas thread. We lost and suffered a defeat yesterday and we need/will learn from it. BOB engaged us, we outnumbered them, we had a good fight but we lost. Why can¦t BOB take it as it was. We admit the battle lost.Be happy! End of story. Instead you just have to smack and just dig for any opportunity to find a "lie", like "no it wasnt 10 BSs it was actually 14, ASCN liers". But I guess respectful fights and discussion belongs to the past.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:04:00 - [152] Originally by: Son Xo I once respected BOB and I still admit they are great PVP:ers. Its sad to see some BOBs response to Drakmas thread. We lost and suffered a defeat yesterday and we need/will learn from it. BOB engaged us, we outnumbered them, we had a good fight but we lost. Why can¦t BOB take it as it was. We admit the battle lost.Be happy! End of story. Instead you just have to smack and just dig for any opportunity to find a "lie", like "no it wasnt 10 BSs it was actually 14, ASCN liers". But I guess respectful fights and discussion belongs to the past. When your leaders stop telling porky pies at every opportunity to cover up their own inadequacies then you will see a lot better attitude from BoB. After the fight lastnight local was quite respectful from both sides and congratulations/thanks on a good fight were given and reciprocated. http://drunkenwanderingsthroughspace.blogspot.com
Braitus Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:12:00 - [153] ....
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:45:00 - [154] Respect to Drakma and XoPhyte. To Drakma for the first ever mature acknowledgment of a loss by ASCN, and any exaggerations should be forgiven at least this one time. This breeds respect in both your troops and your enemies. Kudos to Drakma. To XoPhyte for the most sensible and respectable forum post in this thread. This is an example to follow. Kudos to XoPhyte. I can only hope other ASCN leaders can learn from you two.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:50:00 - [155] zomg ridarri strikes again and i dont think i have any room left in my sig. oh and nice post xophyte, you need to learn your fellow alliance forum warriors a thing or two about public e-o writeups. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:24:00 - [156] were riddari in my corp, he would already be out. Ascn only makes themselves look foolish by letting him post under their banner.
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:29:00 - [157] Well I have too say it was a good fight. Hats off to both sides on a good battle. Hope to do it again...soon... (yayaya, I rarely post, but that battle deserves my comment)
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:50:00 - [158] Nice Fight!! Respect for the last ASCN posts and local.
Ricarda M Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:58:00 - [159] Edited by: Ricarda M on 26/10/2006 20:02:06 7. Secondary target calling was non-existant. As soon as Tomcatt was popped, nobody called targets. Please ensure your signature is 24,000 bytes or less - Udat http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4706/rickopie1ol.jpg
Ricarda M Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:00:00 - [160] "6. Target calling was not good. Tomcatt started off great, but apparently it got to a point where the targets were just too far away for the T1 cruisers to even lock." poor Fleetcomannder! Guys why Tech 1 Cruisers in Fleetbattle? Fly Tech II BS and dont shoot on the Frigs for a damn Killmail .. hear on Target-Calling and you have a Chance ... noone is uber in Eve! Please ensure your signature is 24,000 bytes or less - Udat http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4706/rickopie1ol.jpg

Havras the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:18:00 - [161] Edited by: Havras on 26/10/2006 20:19:18 Originally by: Ricarda M "6. Target calling was not good. Tomcatt started off great, but apparently it got to a point where the targets were just too far away for the T1 cruisers to even lock." poor Fleetcomannder! Guys why Tech 1 Cruisers in Fleetbattle? Fly Tech II BS and dont shoot on the Frigs for a damn Killmail .. hear on Target-Calling and you have a Chance ... noone is uber in Eve! I'm probably going to get yelled at for posting but I always speak my mind. Fact is not everyone can use Tech 2 weapons. Not everyone can fly a BS well enough to be anything more then a loss mail in a fleet fight. They use what they can when they can, if a miner wants to defend the alliance on the front lines and can only bring a cruiser great. Bring the cruiser we'll find a use for it. Personally I don't care who brings what ship to a fight as long as they try their best. I'll use what I can and I'll do what I can with what I have. I just ask people not to be afraid to engage the enemy. All smack aside BOB are good at what they do. I know the few engagements I've had with them have made me stop and think about ways to counter them. Keep bringing the fights BOB your making us learn and adapt and I'll take every lesson I can get and use it as best I can when I can.
EL TITAN Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:26:00 - [162] I just wanted to say. good fun ascn, great fight for sure Was one of the more fun fights Ive been in a while ;o Props for trying to kill our POS though, you can always try again too ;o _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:49:00 - [163] Originally by: Havras Keep bringing the fights BOB your making us learn and adapt and I'll take every lesson I can get and use it as best I can when I can. The problem is ... the most important lesson to learn is that of dedication and unity. And you will notice that not all of your alliance members are like you in this. And this is why BoB wins all their wars. They are the largest group of friends in eve, all others are just large groups. In fighting BoB, you will make more friends, and grow stronger as a group, but not as strong and large as BoB in time to make a difference - they picked and chose their members for many years now. That stronger and more bonded group you find among your brothers in arms will be the seed of a new, stronger alliance, somewhere far from the space you are now in. This has happened before. It will happen again.
Havras the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:02:00 - [164] Originally by: Logan Feynman Originally by: Havras Keep bringing the fights BOB your making us learn and adapt and I'll take every lesson I can get and use it as best I can when I can. That stronger and more bonded group you find among your brothers in arms will be the seed of a new, stronger alliance, somewhere far from the space you are now in. This has happened before. It will happen again. That has yet to be decided my friend. This is my last post in this topic and most likely on the boards for some time. Enjoy the fights.
Gallente Vengeance Gallente News Network	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:58:00 - [165] Somebody, tell me, what is this fetish about battleships. They are like, 20-30 million isk + fittings to loose. Maybee 50 million isk down the drain each time it dies with the 'good' stuff on it. (Given that you are a good boy, and insure it). The Tech2 ships cost a LOT more to loose. No mather what size they are. I read here that BOB have blown up 15-20 large towers that ASCN have placed in the borderzones. That is equivalent to what? 300-400 battleships? 10 dreads? Also, the kill/loss ratio of this conflict seems to be rather good for the Hobbits. They loose 'only' 2 ships for each they kill, and that is a remarkable improovment. However, from what the magic 8 ball tells us here at my hidden location, the ASCN fighters need to learn that camping gates are done from 20km, not 200km, when fielding T1 ships. I will return with more storys as soon as I get FRAPS fixed and a new covert ops ship in place. GNN News that mathers.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:14:00 - [166] Gallente Vengeance - I'll try and answer your question about battleships. Simply put battleships are the ships you take out and fight in when you are serious about holding a system. They are the boots on the ground that bust into a system and take it from the other side. The T2 ships, Interceptors, HACs, and Recon Cruisers are all great for roaming around and causing damage to an enemy but they can't hold a system against an properly organized battleship fleet. Without a serious fleet like this bringing dreadnaughts out to try and kill POS is very risky. In short the battleship in Eve is the heart of any 0.0 alliance's fleet. The quality of that element of the alliance fleet will for a large part determine the fate of an alliance in a war. The rest of the ships, including capitals, as odd as that may sound are support or have very specific jobs i.e. dreadnaughts for POS killing. Doesn't mean they are not essential fleet elements just that they typically aren't what the fight hinges on. That is why emphasis is placed on how many are lost/killed by alliances. The more your patrols of T2 ships can kill the better off you are as you won't be facing them in the big fights where the walls of battle square off. Hopefully, that provides you a better understanding as to why emphasis is on the battleship and not on T2 ships. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Gallente Vengeance Gallente News Network	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:27:00 - [167] Red Six : Thank you for your view. However, when it comes to taking and holding space I am of the understanding that only 3 things mather for winning battles. 1. POS's need to be kept online (nasty logistics) 2. Capital ships needs to be fielded. 3. System controll when capital ships are used. When a battle is not fought over a station or an important junction in space, then it is all roaming battle. The goal are (I hope) to have fun, and inflict damage on the other team. Now, from what I see here ASCN should have unsieged the dreads and left system when the BOB fleet was coming to intercept. From bitter experience in another part of the 'world' I know that unless you outgun the defensive fleet 2-1 then fighting at a hostile POS are very hard. I have to say the ASCN FC had some balls staying there with the dreads, and in my opinion, they should get more scouts and maybee gang they're own alliance pilots. GNN News that mathers.
Celendil Telrunya	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:42:00 - [168] Whoa. After reading all this crap (nice Drakma for posting from your view) I think I'm back to WoW and the all the 14 year old gnums who think they're so good. Might have to find me another game to play when I see what Eve has become. It's like being on a LAN party with CS people all around you.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 22:47:00 - [169] Gallente Vengeance - I'll eve-mail you a response. No need for our discussion to derail this thread. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:10:00 - [170] Despite all the smack in this thread, props to bob for bringing it. It was a valuable learning experience and I am seriously looking forward to our next skirmish. Yes, we lost a battle. Yes, we took heavy losses.. but most importantly.. we had a boatload of fun, and judging by the long list of "gf" in local directly after the battle, BoB did too. Kudos to all, see you on the battlefield

Law Zix ANZAC ALLIANCE Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:11:00 - [171] Had a ball of a time, this is what EvE is about. The duration of the fight was the best bit. Took 8 minutes for my BS to go pop. managed to redock get out a rifter and got that popped in 4 minutes. All up over 15 minutes of pure fun. Thank you ASCN. Thank you BoB. Aussie's & Kiwi's join the ANZAC channel
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:33:00 - [172] Originally by: XoPhyte Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/10/2006 16:05:18 The fight last night was a good one (the lag was horrible, however modules did activate within 30 seconds of clicking, which in the scope of things in not that bad, only had about 1-2 fps though which made targetting very difficult). I don't know exact battleship numbers. Bob brought a great PVP force to H8 last night, that cannot be denied. It was not a slaughter at the gates, though BOB did get more kills, and some of our losses came at the hands of their POS when we went to try to support the dreads (I know mine did). The loss of our dreads made the loss of the H8 engagement definitive, but like everything else, they can be replaced (though this does not minimize the loss). I for one gained respect for Bob's PVP abilities last night tbh. They simply had more firepower then we did (I believe all their BS's were T2 fitted). They moved fast and were able to warp to and engage the dreads while they engaged us at the gates. (so in this case it was not a problem with FC's or tactical positioning, it was simply being outgunned by a very good PVP force). Bob typically likes to fly hacs + ceptors, we setup to deal with these types of ships. This fight they brought a lot of T2 bs's in which we were not equipped to handle (this was our fault). It was a great fight, and local smack was non existent, it's just shame that the smack free polite comments in local cannot translate to these forums. No major PVP force is born, they are created. If you cannot learn from your losses then you will never get better. We plan to learn from our losses and yes, sometimes we are getting a crash course in PVP. We never went into this war thinking Bob was going to be easy (at least I didn't). Bob got their reputation for being a PVP powerhouse, not by mining, but by doing what they are great at, PVP. I do find it amusing that other people (non bob) like to talk badly about ASCN given the fact that typically they... 1) Don't control any space of their own 2) Have been beaten by forces much smaller and less skilled then Bob. 3) In any enagements they have been in, they simply hide in stations. But again, we will learn from this engagment, and the H8 POS will be removed. Again respect for Bob in their abilities on the battlefield last night. Nice post! Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:06:00 - [173] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: XoPhyte snip That's a rather sensible post to be honest. It's a shame we don't see more like it from BoB. Every "reasonable" post I've read from BoB has had a (not so subtle) psychological attack built right into it. I understand undermining morale and confidence is probably the best way to win the fight against an alliance as big as ASCN (numbers-wise), but to be honest, it's getting tiresome. Of course, more reasonable posts like this from ASCN would be nice to see as well. Oh well, war is hell, use every advantage you can get I guess, right? (/me sits patiently and waits for Blacklight to call me a girl again...) --ci
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:36:00 - [174] just wondering... Didnt you guys had lag? and didnt node crash? its impossible to have such numbers in Scalding Pass systems. Last fleetbattle we had i didnt see anyone at the gate also others didnt see and those who saw something couldnt shoot anything. And then voilaaa node crash. Even with 40 ppl in local SP systems are already lagging like hell. Its hard to even move 100ppl gang around in SP. You'll wait like 5min every jump you make. I remember fights where 500 ppl were in local and 400 of them fighting or something like that. Yes it was lagging but it was playable. Now its impossible. for example we had 10 bs gang and about 30 cruisers jumped on us. We could have killed them or atleast most of them but you couldnt just lock them becouse of the lag. Im sure everybody knows the lag if you lock the target but the icon wont appear on top of the screen. And when its finaly appears your modules wont activate until you are near dead. anyway im jealous that you get fight normal with those numbers :)
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:02:00 - [175] Edited by: Shardrael on 27/10/2006 07:03:24 in responce to post above mine, yes there was some lag but no the node didnt crash, which imo is what made it so freaking awesome, losses are losses but imo they can be replaced and a fight like this just cant be missed so for the last time kudos ccp for the server not setting fire, and kudos to all that avoided smack in local and on forums , that is all I have to add to this thread see ya in space everyone
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:29:00 - [176] Originally by: Celero Incendium Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: XoPhyte snip That's a rather sensible post to be honest. It's a shame we don't see more like it from BoB. Every "reasonable" post I've read from BoB has had a (not so subtle) psychological attack built right into it. And this one doesn't?
Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:09:00 - [177] Originally by: Kye Kenshin I'm amazed just how bad you guys are at fighting a war. Did you really spend so much time being Isk-***s in your precious shire that you forgot to even learn basic fleet and strategy techniques. You have no hope in hell of winning this war, the only obstacle to BoB is POS reinforcment timers. I would feel sorry for you guys if it wasn't for the fact you deserve this. Heres a friendly hint for ASCN FCs, fly in cov ops ships so your whole fleet isnt **** when you get called primary.
El'hith Gallente The Phoenix Mercenarys	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:39:00 - [178] I cant believe i wasted my time reading this Shame on BOB for just flaming and smalking a thread where ASCN ADMITTED their failings and congradulated you on your work So you return the compliment with about 7 pages of flame. Gratz To ASCN, wish you the best of luck in all this. ~~~Check my bio in game for what me and my corp can do for you!~~~
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.27 09:04:00 - [179] Originally by: El'hith I cant believe i wasted my time reading this Shame on BOB for just flaming and smalking a thread where ASCN ADMITTED their failings and congradulated you on your work So you return the compliment with about 7 pages of flame. Gratz To ASCN, wish you the best of luck in all this. Sorry mate but you can't really blame the bobbits. The OP made a good start but then some of his allies had to post crap like: Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not. Crapshoot I guess. (Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past) --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:48:00 - [180] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Celero Incendium Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: XoPhyte snip That's a rather sensible post to be honest. It's a shame we don't see more like it from BoB. Every "reasonable" post I've read from BoB has had a (not so subtle) psychological attack built right into it. And this one doesn't? Not sure I follow...which "one"? My post, the original post, or Blacklight's post? --ci



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