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HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:31:00 - [61] Has ASCN investigated the bug that 94% of there pilots have....You know the one. The one that causes there client to crash when you hit structure. It's very lucky for you that it happens as them pods manage to warp off safley in the middle of battle, god forbid that you would be trying to exploit game mechanics and avoid loosing stuff in a laim way. Any way good luck on getting it fixed. Try again!
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:31:00 - [62] Here are two quotes from Drakma's post. They're shortened to highlight the points he makes without excessive verbiage (the '1.'s and '2.'s are added by me). Originally by: Drakma 1. We only had 25% participation from online pilots. This is where we lose. There is no excuse for not showing up. I had reports of a large group of people mining, ratting and plexing while this was taking place. 2. There was clearly not enough large ship support. From the looks of it, it appears as if most of you were in T1 cruisers or frigs. This MUST stop. And here are a bunch of other quotes from ASCN leaders/peoples blogs/posts. Originally by: CYVOK 1. What is the magic number of accounts we should expect to be on the front lines? 25%, 50%, 100%? Fact is we need to keep our industrial arm up and running. We need to keep building ships, mining fuels/minerals and pushing forward as an Alliance even with the War in full swing. 2. If you are rat hunting ALL LOOT needs to be collected and delivered to a refinery. Most hunters can create enough loot to build a Battle Ship in about 4-6 hours. Originally by: Darkstar BP 1. Each corporation has its own role to play in the ASCN effort, and for some that doesn't always mean that they have to be fulltime on the front lines. We are just as happy about a corporation that contributes more in the building effort, as to a corporation that participates more in the fighting effort. 2. Yes, we took losses, but a 1000 battleships on a 4900 member alliance, with all the insurance, means nothing. Originally by: RaptorX 2. If I lose a ship, I simply send a quick eve mail to my corp's industrialist and viola! I have a new ship at less than cost, in under 24 hours! (thanks Max!!) Originally by: Lucre 2. (on '1000 BS losses') Sounds impressive. Until you work out that's around 1 BS for every 20 ASCN members per week. Or assuming a net loss of 60M for every BS (which it won't be as many will be tier 1, T1 and/or cost-price - and I'm not counting petition replacements either) a total loss of ... 3M isk per ASCN member per week. Originally by: Ian Novarider 2. Low cost BS replacement programs may have started a bit slow, but they are in full swing now, with BS coming off the assembly lines at a very satisfying rate and price. And those who dont have cash are offered cash by their mates. On point 1. Your alliance leader has already said that you need to keep mining etc. Are you saying now that the war is going so badly that you need to abandon this policy? Are things really so desperate that you need the civilians to take up a pitchfork and help in the battle? On point 2. It seems like you're having logistics problems :-) There is a LOT of postings in the IntegralHelsing thread where ASCN are claiming this this is absolutely, positively, definitely not true (and that there are no american tanks in Bagh..., eh, BoB ships in Paragon Soul). If people are flying T1 cruisers (or worse), clearly this IS the case. Where are all your alliance minerals/money going? Where are your replacement ships? To put it in another way... Where are all the battleships we/I can shoot? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:32:00 - [63] Originally by: Iluminat There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots. Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O. So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them???? Lovely..
Iluminat Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:39:00 - [64] Originally by: wizzard66 Originally by: Iluminat There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots. Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O. So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them???? Lovely.. Well if you post something external it's not internal anymore: get it
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:41:00 - [65] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 26/10/2006 08:43:13 Drakma, first off, even though its been said before thank you for taking teh time to write up and then post the account of what happened in the battle from your perspective. Of course in the heat of battle there will be stuff missed, numbers miscounted and mistakes made (and since it's internal, a possible numbers slant? But i'll take your word that was what your notes said and of/c you weren't the FC I'm guessing). And of course, things can be different from the other side. hell, a subsequent rebuttal story from BoB would be nice of course but then again, i do want more to read in work. ^^ Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Ordo Abchao Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Ilmonstre go ascn go What he said \o/ Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK- Order out of Chaos
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Iluminat Originally by: wizzard66 Originally by: Iluminat There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots. Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O. So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them???? Lovely.. Well if you post something external it's not internal anymore: get it Ah okay so you do want to discuss internal problems if they are being posted external. Well, your leaders serve you well. What i do get is that you are calling it: YOUR WAR. Now thats great. So you are mining for.. their war... Kinda summarises how divided you allready are now isnt it? I kinda expected you to think about it as our war :-) C'mon and join in, you might like it :-)
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:46:00 - [68] LOL BOB is trying to put public opinion against ASCN again. I feel honoured you have to go to such lengths :) OMG OMG OMG Look someone is going to quote and try to slag me off /me goes back to teaching kids P.S. Good job to all involved :) ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:54:00 - [69] Another flame war.... Thanks for taking the time to write up the story from your perspective Drakma.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:00:00 - [70] Edited by: LUKEC on 26/10/2006 09:05:08 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig LUKEC: maybe I am missing something but didnt you jump from PA to the people that killed PA? If yes then why are you lecturing people about dedication? Ask me ingame if you want full explanation. You are missing quite some things. In short: We had small corp, we split, some went to atuk, some to PA. When we saw what pa was, we decided to join atuk. But it was too late as ATUK came up for target practice. So we did target practice. Then ATUK went shooting poses in south, i quit game for 3months due to RL. Later when i came back, it was full fledged war in Venal already, back to target practice/smacking/whoruming. After my PA corp left to empire(PA was very dead at that time) we went to empire as well going to merc buisness/pirate killing(hi mara)/ganking. Then corp decided to join HF and we got invited in ATUK(don't know who arranged it, all i did was having Ladyscarlett convoing me if i want to join). I think some people saw certain dedication.

StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:04:00 - [71] This battle had 1 major drawback.. I wasn't there :( _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Drakma The only mention of losses were the 7 dreads and a few BS. And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week. so 10 bs actually means 40 bs? cos by your maths, 10 + a few = 40 Originally by: Jacob Majestic Umm, why don't you just use the correct dread?
Raznarok Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:07:00 - [73] gets prodded in the eye from all the e-peens being waved around
Iluminat Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:07:00 - [74] Originally by: wizzard66 Originally by: Iluminat Originally by: wizzard66 Originally by: Iluminat There are some humans that have a RL and dont have all the time to know about all the secret ops and time to join. btw we need to rat and mine to support your war. Better look @ the people not online 400 from 4000 are even worse than 25% participation from online pilots. Also think that internal problems dont belong on EVE-O. So.. you don't want to discuss internal problems on eve-o ...by...discussing internal problems on eve-o and than saying you dont want to discuss them???? Lovely.. Well if you post something external it's not internal anymore: get it Ah okay so you do want to discuss internal problems if they are being posted external. Well, your leaders serve you well. What i do get is that you are calling it: YOUR WAR. Now thats great. So you are mining for.. their war... Kinda summarises how divided you allready are now isnt it? I kinda expected you to think about it as our war :-) C'mon and join in, you might like it :-) Nope it's mining to cover my losses Also have to say that your tactics are uber impov. and we can learn alot of it.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Raznarok gets prodded in the eye from all the e-peens being waved around You say it as if you're used to that sort of thing? ;) - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:11:00 - [76] Originally by: Tzrailasa (and that there are no american tanks in Bagh..., eh, BoB ships in Paragon Soul). There is not an ASCN station in Fountain, honest. ¼+¼ a history
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:14:00 - [77] Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Tzrailasa (and that there are no american tanks in Bagh..., eh, BoB ships in Paragon Soul). There is not an ASCN station in Fountain, honest. Yes, i think it's time for Xendie to write petition. Dead alliance is fighting back.
Mayalla Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:25:00 - [78] Guys, you know what? I think the best thing would be if ASCN and BoB merge together in one alliance! I think that after that, forums would become a very boring place with no smack talk at all....
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:28:00 - [79] Wow, congratulations to ASCN on a nice pre-emptive post. You guys are startint to beat BoB at their own forum game. Even if you do lose to them on the battlefield a little too often
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:34:00 - [80] Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Garia666 i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion He may as well before BoB just uses one of their spies to post it here anyway. Would have been nice to see a straight up clean war, but when one side feels the need to use your own forums against you in their version of a propaganda war, and use all kinds of underhanded spying and such, (I didn't say exploit, before I get flamed for it, but it still is pretty pathetic) you may as well beat them to the punch. I am sorry but i dont understand what you mean with this.. ->My Vids<-

Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:42:00 - [81] Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not. Crapshoot I guess. (Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past) ROFL, I'm guessing McCreedy told you that. - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:43:00 - [82] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 26/10/2006 09:43:59 Originally by: Bretonia What he means is BOB will have posted this anyway as they have access to ASCN forums and try to use our posts against us to make us look silly etc etc Ehhh, slight correction. We're posting your leaders posts so THEY can make you look silly "In a propaganda war, there is no greater weapon than the truth!" Edit: Ligual correction. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:53:00 - [83] Edited by: SirMolle on 26/10/2006 09:52:55 Originally by: Riddari I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not. Crapshoot I guess. (Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past) Are you implying that I am; a) A senior GM, since that is who trains GM's? b) Employed or paid by CCP in any fashion now or in the past? c) A CCP Dev? First of all, i would like to know what you base this assumption on, since this is clearly a accusation. So, show me the proof. Secondly, I would like to know how i would have circumvented the Iceland part, since I am Swedish, and live in Sweden, and have never even visited Iceland. Thirdly, since I am working fulltime as a department manager in Sweden, why would i want to work as a GM in Iceland? Now, since you accuse me of being part of CCP, I would very much like to see whatever you have based that accusation on. Stick to facts mr Riddari, and facts only, and don't throw out halfbaked lies and try to make them true. I challenge you to ask CCP directly about this and then post the results of that question, along with a personal apology to both me and CCP for your lies.
Riwer Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Drakma Again guys, we may have lost some dreads and some BS tonight, but we still have Sov, our dread losses will be replaced in a couple days and we had some fun. Is your english the same as my english? Let's say you're a buss driver. Let's say you drive a school bus filled with kids. Let's say you drive along and come across a speed sign that says 30. But you misread it and continue driving in 70. You drive off the road, bus tips over, falls off a cliff, smash into a tree and finally explodes. Miraculously you survive and later when the reporters are asking what happened you say: "We had some fun!" (PS - I once again apologize to the eve community for posting on the forums as a BoB memeber.)
MrRx7 Amarr Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:02:00 - [85] LOL, it was all good fun even if ascn got their collective asses handed to them. Always a pleasure Bob :)
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:03:00 - [86] Quote: I wonder if the GM that will attend this incident is one that SirMolle trained up or not. Crapshoot I guess. (Yes, SirMolle has trained up GMs in the past) Oh come on. I do realize that this is a propaganda war as much as anything else, but do we really have to start with the GM accusations again? This is like McCreedy claiming that a GM is moving around BoB fleets. All GM actions are logged and can be reviewed by their superiors as far as I'm aware. The reason for this is simple, to prevent GMs from abusing their powers. You may recall that not long ago a GM got in trouble (wasn't he fired, too?) over an incident that involved only a handful of people. Don't you think that a GM changing the course of a war would get noticed and be dealt with even faster? There is a lot of smack coming from both sides, but can we at least try to keep it to "lol we killed more of your guys" or "haha you fail at defending stations" rather than "omgz GM hax" and "ur mom sux"?
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:04:00 - [87] One thing strikes me as odd: You engage 10 dreads against defended Pos (Deathstar types, with hardeners and guns) and you only have 10 Battleships and some T1 cruisers/frigs for backup? Well, I might not be the one to offer tactical advice, but it sounds to me like sieging a medieval castle with a dozen catapults and a bunch of peasants to protect them ... try this in Ages of Empire and see what happens! ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:06:00 - [88] Originally by: Riwer Originally by: Drakma Again guys, we may have lost some dreads and some BS tonight, but we still have Sov, our dread losses will be replaced in a couple days and we had some fun. Is your english the same as my english? Let's say you're a buss driver. Let's say you drive a school bus filled with kids. Let's say you drive along and come across a speed sign that says 30. But you misread it and continue driving in 70. You drive off the road, bus tips over, falls off a cliff, smash into a tree and finally explodes. Miraculously you survive and later when the reporters are asking what happened you say: "We had some fun!" Your comparison leaves a lot to be desired, Eve is not real life, this may suprise you but, some people enjoy fighting regardless whether they win or lose. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:06:00 - [89] Originally by: MrRx7 Post That IS a nice sig you got there!!! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:23:00 - [90] Riddari you realise that if you dont bring proofs you make us all look like clowns yes? Originally by: Riwer Is your english the same as my english? Let's say you're a buss driver. Let's say you drive a school bus filled with kids. Let's say you drive along and come across a speed sign that says 30. But you misread it and continue driving in 70. You drive off the road, bus tips over, falls off a cliff, smash into a tree and finally explodes. Miraculously you survive and later when the reporters are asking what happened you say: "We had some fun!" This has to be the most retarded post I read in 6 month. And I read these forums lots. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius



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