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Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Drakma 2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use. 3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10. So you repost here a post only meant for ASCN members to read. And then get all mad when people dont see things the way you do. And I guess "various other ships" means "various other battleships, dreadnoughts, and carriers"? The killboard tells a great story. I think I have decided to laugh instead of cry. yes. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:03:48 edit: Nice Drakma, but playing with the numbers that way is not very impressive. You knew very well that more died, and thus more were there. You're just downplaying the loss again. Wasn't any playing at all. As I said in my original post these were from the notes I wrote down at the time. The only mention of losses were the 7 dreads and a few BS. And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Drakma 2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use. 3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10. So you repost here a post only meant for ASCN members to read. And then get all mad when people dont see things the way you do. And I guess "various other ships" means "various other battleships, dreadnoughts, and carriers"? The killboard tells a great story. I think I have decided to laugh instead of cry. yes. I'm not upset at anybody at all. Quite the contrary.
Adhamhnon Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Garia666 i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion He may as well before BoB just uses one of their spies to post it here anyway. Would have been nice to see a straight up clean war, but when one side feels the need to use your own forums against you in their version of a propaganda war, and use all kinds of underhanded spying and such, (I didn't say exploit, before I get flamed for it, but it still is pretty pathetic) you may as well beat them to the punch.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:24:17 Originally by: Drakma And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week. That's nice for you. But it's not helping you populate your fleets much is it ? ASCN have yet to win a battle in this war, doesn't that strike you as somewhat of a problem when we're about a month into it already ? You may have gotten a gank here and there, won about three and a half of the two hundred or so skirmishes with frig/cruiser gangs, but have won not a single real fight where it mattered. How do you figure you're going to turn that around so as to get better fleet composition and turnout ? If people simply know that boarding that pvp ship is equal to losing it in a silly way within a day, they're not likely to board something usefull and expensive, or anything at all for that matter. Do you think that downplaying the losses under protection of the excuse that you 'forgot' to check your facts before posting is really going to help there ? Or that saying you personally build 30 BS a week will help others decide to take the one they built into a fight to lose it ? (I'd say they're more likely to wonder where those 30 BS/week end up) Well, maybe it will. It's better then saying we faked the killmails, that's for sure... Old blog
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:24:00 - [36] the truth upfront can be helpful in nullifying excess propaganda
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:25:00 - [37] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:25:21 Originally by: Miss Overlord the truth upfront can be helpful in nullifying excess propaganda Switched corp/alliance/hemisphere/gender again Ollobrains ? For your remark to be applicable here, the truth would have had to be in the op, when it wasnt. Old blog
Miv333 Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: algorythm Edited by: algorythm on 26/10/2006 06:52:24 To avoid lag: I would sugest you tell your pilots to stop using bookmarks on their cargoholds. Dont camp with drones deployed, wait for the battle to start, then deploy them This lags the system, the node, lags us, lags you. You forgot to mention: The two carriers you had in system with drones deployed Again has was stated above, we killed 29 battleships, first at the gate, and minutes later at the pos, out of 10 you say you had there Overall, a good fight, thanks for not running away this time! 1) Give me the names of the pilots with bookmarks. It'll be handled. 2) I think most of you are missing who the target audience was here. This was posted for ASCN members to read and see. The carriers there were of no consequence to the points I was trying to make. Yes, they were there (3 actually) and they had their use. 3) I didn't say there was only 10 BS there. I said the gang in H8- at the time had approximately 10. ROFL BIGGEST LIE EVER LETS POST ONPUBLIC EVE FORUMS FOR ONLY ASCN MEMBERS TO READ ROFLROFLRFOL ASCN IS TOO POOR FOR THEIR OWN FORUMS!?! -Miv
Miv333 Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Garia666 i dont think this is very smart to post on eve-o but thats just my opinion He may as well before BoB just uses one of their spies to post it here anyway. Would have been nice to see a straight up clean war, but when one side feels the need to use your own forums against you in their version of a propaganda war, and use all kinds of underhanded spying and such, (I didn't say exploit, before I get flamed for it, but it still is pretty pathetic) you may as well beat them to the punch. Whos fault is it you have spys in your alliance? Yours I presume... -Miv
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Randay dont know whether to laugh or to cry. Having just woke up, I am laughing so much it hurts. Which has led to me crying. No wonder the pnq thread turned out how it did, without our contribution, that e-peen, it grew... and now it has been castrated.

Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/10/2006 07:24:17 Originally by: Drakma And before you spin the "few" comment, yes, I concider even 30 BS a "few" I personally produce that many in a week. That's nice for you. But it's not helping you populate your fleets much is it ? ASCN have yet to win a battle in this war, doesn't that strike you as somewhat of a problem when we're about a month into it already ? You may have gotten a gank here and there, won about three and a half of the two hundred or so skirmishes with frig/cruiser gangs, but have won not a single real fight where it mattered. How do you figure you're going to turn that around so as to get better fleet composition and turnout ? If people simply know that boarding that pvp ship is equal to losing it in a silly way within a day, they're not likely to board something usefull and expensive, or anything at all for that matter. Do you think that downplaying the losses under protection of the excuse that you 'forgot' to check your facts before posting is really going to help there ? Or that saying you personally build 30 BS a week will help others decide to take the one they built into a fight to lose it ? (I'd say they're more likely to wonder where those 30 BS/week end up) Well, maybe it will. It's better then saying we faked the killmails, that's for sure... Do you think I would have made that post originally if I didn't feel there was a problem? I've given my opinions in it as well as asked for opinions from my fellow alliancemates. I stand by my numbers that I gave. There's nothing I can do if you can't read what was written. I'm not arguing that fact that ships were destroyed. So, I don't know why you are. As far as the BS go, they're on the market in Feyth for all ASCN members to enjoy.
posix4e Caldari The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:33:00 - [42] I first want to say, good fight. I was in the BS gang. I did have a lot of fun. I can fully assure you, when one of my chars noticed the BOB fleet jumping out of GQ2, there were 12 people in the BS gang. Two members, including me were cloaked. The rest were BS who joined the BS gang. I think we can put to rest the Drakma making up numbers idea. It is a reasonable accounting of the numbers. More people may have jumped in during the crazyiness, or switched out ships and in some sense they count in terms of numbers, in another sense they don't count in terms of focus fire gate camp stuff. BTW, i was never in a useful position to engage in providing information, diplomacy or ask relevent question, so if my corp/alliance doesn't show up, i am in the syndicate and my alliance is ascn. This char is as much my main as any other.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:35:00 - [43] Originally by: TyPower LOL This is so familiar. Lose...Check alliance chat....note the numbers....wonder why they dont show up...,speculate on carebear activities...***** about it (albeit not publicly on the forums) (a bad move all round) FYI the next step in this chain (and Ive seen it sooooo many times before) is, basically, your alliance falls apart. Watch as the pvp corps start leaving ASCN, justifying their actions by saying they dont want to defend a bunch of carebears no more. Oh so true... Siganture removed due to profanity - Serathu ([email protected])
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:38:00 - [44] All true (well, i havent checked the market for those bs actually). Let's keep it at a small error of judegement then. It would be smart to avoid giving us forum-ammo next time by checking your numbers to make sure they wwere correct. Actually, you deserve a compliment tbh. You seem to be much better at this then Cyvok and most certainly then Mccreedy or samuraijack. The truth content of your post may not have been 100%, but it's been closer hten anything else i've seen come forth from ASCN spokesmen in a good while Old blog
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Miv333 ROFL BIGGEST LIE EVER LETS POST ONPUBLIC EVE FORUMS FOR ONLY ASCN MEMBERS TO READ ROFLROFLRFOL ASCN IS TOO POOR FOR THEIR OWN FORUMS!?! I think you should re-read my original post. It was posted to the ASCN forums and then posted here because it would have been posted anyway. I was merely bypassing the middleman.
Jherek Cornelian The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:39:00 - [46] Originally by: TyPower LOL This is so familiar. Lose...Check alliance chat....note the numbers....wonder why they dont show up...,speculate on carebear activities...***** about it (albeit not publicly on the forums) (a bad move all round) FYI the next step in this chain (and Ive seen it sooooo many times before) is, basically, your alliance falls apart. Watch as the pvp corps start leaving ASCN, justifying their actions by saying they dont want to defend a bunch of carebears no more. This man speaks the truth. Hell I should know Millennium were first in, last out in every alliance we lost and the same conversations were held in every alliance. Your already on the 'you must shoot the primary' speech. If your alliance members are not shooting the primary by this stage in Eve then your dead. You may as well disband now. Bob won Eve about a year ago, the only people who could have given them a fight was ATUK. But in the way of online games the best join the best. My sympathies on the loss of your alliance. All I ever wanted to do was mine in 0.0 2 years later I still haven't managed it. Damn BoB and 5 :p <3 JC
Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:44:00 - [47] Nice report. After all the smack is said and done, i must say props to ASCN yo have the balls to fight back and even take the fight to BOB. I think many alliences would have roled over on the war declaration TBH, much less a group of carebears(Sorry guys). Best thing about ASCN in a war like this, i would guess cap ship losses are in no way as devastating as they normally would be to any outher fighting force in eve. Eventually they will win some big engagements as there FCs get more and more experience and the none PVPers start brining out the heavier guns. Thats when the war will really get interesting. Keep at ASCN, Stand up for your self and what you have worked for. Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
posix4e Caldari The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:44:00 - [48] Edited by: posix4e on 26/10/2006 07:44:42 "Let's keep it at a small error of judegement then. It would be smart to avoid giving us forum-ammo next time by checking your numbers to make sure they were correct." No, what he said is completely reasonable, and an accurate depiction of our gate camp. We can add new information by saying. More ASCN fleet came in when we realized we were outnumbered, and could reinforce effectively. However, what he said is a realistic depiction of what happened. If you want to call me a lier, then that is another matter. If you wanna call me a lier, then I'll give you my address and phone number and we can take care of it like men. Outside of that shut your trap! In some parts of the world, challenging someone in this way is a very serious insult.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Rod Blaine All true (well, i havent checked the market for those bs actually). Let's keep it at a small error of judegement then. It would be smart to avoid giving us forum-ammo next time by checking your numbers to make sure they wwere correct. Actually, you deserve a compliment tbh. You seem to be much better at this then Cyvok and most certainly then Mccreedy or samuraijack. The truth content of your post may not have been 100%, but it's been closer hten anything else i've seen come forth from ASCN spokesmen in a good while Change "truth content of" to "accuracy of numbers in" and I'll agree with you simply because I never said these were absolute numbers, but merely approximations. As I said before, I stand by my numbers because that is what I saw. There was no "error of judgment"
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:48:00 - [50] We sure did a Lorena Bobbit on your E-Peen. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:51:00 - [51] Edited by: LUKEC on 26/10/2006 07:53:31 Originally by: Mirasta After all the smack is said and done, i must say props to ASCN yo have the balls to fight back and even take the fight to BOB. Check where h8- is. Edit: About fighting back... POS definitely showed far more spirit than ASCN. Guess smaller groups are way more dedicated.
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Seleene Nice to see a real battle report of any kind coming out of this. Kudos, Drakma. Agreed, kudos to Drakma, and the opposit to the 2nd BoB poster with the 'deal with it comment' (you're an idiot).
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:56:00 - [53] At least we're not chicken. http://www.leeroyjenkins.net/ Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:58:00 - [54] Edited by: wizzard66 on 26/10/2006 07:59:31 Originally by: posix4e If you wanna call me a lier, then I'll give you my address and phone number and we can take care of it like men. Outside of that shut your trap! In some parts of the world, challenging someone in this way is a very serious insult. Dude, its a game. Lets keep it incharacter like this part of the forum is ment to be. In some parts of the world people will think you are threathening RL people when saying: Take care of it like men. Btw we are taking care of it like men. We are fighting. So are you. Its just facts that are twisted. Chill!
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:00:00 - [55] I think we can forgive the number massaging. After all, CYVOK's claiming he scored one over BoB by taking a station owned by Xelas. Number massaging is lots more acceptable. What I am wondering is whether ASCN is thinking "gee, what would have happened if that carrier group that went to Fountain stayed in the correct theater of war and helped in that system?". I've already tried to point out how dividing a disorganized force into smaller, more disorganized forces and sending them off on half-baked tasks will result in both offense and defense being impotent. The least ASCN could do is think secretly "hey, maybe he's got a point". Believe me, it's in BoB's best interest that ASCN last long in this war. I won't hesitate to give out strategic tips if it results in better fights. It's up to you whether you reevaluate your strategy based on a more realistic understanding of your forces and your opponents, or whether you stick to the strategy of a High Command that has trouble telling whether a station belongs to BoB or not.
Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:17:00 - [56] go ascn go
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Rebellion or whether you stick to the strategy of a High Command that has trouble telling whether a station belongs to BoB or not. oh the irony!
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:19:00 - [58] Carrier group in fountain was sleeping anyway, different timezone so you dont have a point. To the guy saying the low partecipation mean the beggining of the end: maybe, but its an issue we had during the G war aswell and we didnt seem to die there. LUKEC: maybe I am missing something but didnt you jump from PA to the people that killed PA? If yes then why are you lecturing people about dedication? - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:20:00 - [59] Great op post. Constructive, informative and entertaining. More of these please. And the fight souded like fun. Well, xcept the lag and such, but it happens. Mind control and tin hats
Estarriol Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Drakma I see 12 losses tbh; what jumped in after the dreads were popped I am unaware of. And according to your killboard, I only see 24. I am aware of another gang jumping in but at the time I took those numbers, they weren't there. With all due respect, I believe that the seeming confusion on the actual numbers you have to work with is indicative of the problem you face. Quote: ProphetGuru > we gonna Donkeypunch SA



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