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Shirazz
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:25:00 -
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ERR was on the test serv this morning with a guy who has about the same sps as me (9-10mil, im speced as a total pvp amarr char) and there was no way i could kill him in his drake. Not a hope in hell. This thing was a 22000sheild hp megatanked passive monster with heavy assult missiles. I was using tech 2 hss, heavy pulse laser 2s and conflag crystals at optimal.
I need a setup to beat this thing: i cant tank the dmg and i cant break the tank - even in a tech 2 fitted geddon.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:32:00 -
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There is no harbringer setup to beat the drake.
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Kye Kenshin
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:37:00 -
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I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
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Apprehentive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:53:00 -
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Gawd **** you Caldari... >_< Not only your ships are the best, they are the easiest to use!
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Kye Kenshin
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
Oh I see, here was me thinking the only problems Caldari had in pvp was railboats being almost useless but actually it was the Raven not quite being overpowered enough so they introduced the Drake and the problem was solved!
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
This is why BE doesn't use Ravens? Oh wait...
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:19:00 -
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Caldari have problems in the PvP world? 
Besides the not having -up to now- a railboat BS for the *** 200km fleetfights there is another one?
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Zekk Pacus
Caldari
StateCorp
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:31:00 -
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The drake's a /wee bit/ overpowered. Even as a Caldari missile ***** I'll say that.
It should get a nerf in six months.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 05/11/2006 01:41:42
Originally by: Shirazz
I need a setup to beat this thing: i cant tank the dmg and i cant break the tank - even in a tech 2 fitted geddon.
6-slot ubertank with heavy assaults = no scrambler, webber, speed mod = keep him @ more than 15km where he cant hit you, kill all his friends, then leave.
Ask him to bring a setup that can actually kill something that doesn't hang around to be killed, and see how hard he is then.
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Abyss Jack
Serial Chill3rz
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Abyss Jack on 05/11/2006 01:52:33
NOS FTW 
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Edited by: Abyss Jack on 05/11/2006 01:52:33
NOS FTW
? Hes just gonna laugh at your nos and send another salvo of missiles after you.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Edited by: Abyss Jack on 05/11/2006 01:52:33
NOS FTW
Yes, last time I check, nos rly helped to break down passive tanks... as well as stop it from firing missiles...
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Abyss Jack
Serial Chill3rz
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Abyss Jack on 05/11/2006 01:55:36
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Abyss Jack
Edited by: Abyss Jack on 05/11/2006 01:52:33
NOS FTW
Yes, last time I check, nos rly helped to break down passive tanks... as well as stop it from firing missiles...
use ecm drones, they are still overpowerd if you're lucky 
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
This is why BE doesn't use Ravens? Oh wait...
try not to talk out of your a**
you cant pvp in bs only. Ravens arent for roaming.
all the other 3 Races ships, are FASTER, more AGILE.
Caladari is on the disadvantage on that, but you never pay attention to that do you?
Compare vaga to Cerberus for instance. can a Cerberus roam as well as a vaga? no.
because it aint as fast an agile, therefore it will take more damage while orbiting a target.
not all be fly ravens just so you know
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Snikkt
Gallente
Time Cube Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
This is why BE doesn't use Ravens? Oh wait...
try not to talk out of your a**
you cant pvp in bs only. Ravens arent for roaming.
all the other 3 Races ships, are FASTER, more AGILE.
Caladari is on the disadvantage on that, but you never pay attention to that do you?
Compare vaga to Cerberus for instance. can a Cerberus roam as well as a vaga? no.
because it aint as fast an agile, therefore it will take more damage while orbiting a target.
not all be fly ravens just so you know
Vaga can "out-fast" anything.
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Ruze
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.05 03:09:00 -
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Amarr are faster than someone?
Bullsh-t. Absolute bullsh-t. And if we are, by God, why hasn't word gotten out so we can feel slightly superior about something? Jeez!
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.05 03:32:00 -
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The way to beat a drake is to fly a drake.
Honestly. It takes an AC tempest over a minute to break a drakes tank, if not more. Its ridiculous... passive tanks are starting to become really overpowered.
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LordZer00
Caldari
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.05 04:20:00 -
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Ok, so this drake had 22000 shield hp passively tanked, and heavy assault missiles, and how was he stopping you from warping out or getting out of his HAM range?
Just looking at this from a Tranquility Pvp (as opposed to test server where your much more likely to sit around while getting slapped around since theres nothing really to lose) veiw, because I have yet to see a Caldari missile boat that had an Uber tank + web + scram + AB\mwd (and , of course, there shouldn't be a missile boat that *can* do this, because it *would* be overpowered).
Not to say that the Drake isn't overpowered, it very well may be, but I see it as a possibly overpowered damage-support platform, not a possibly overpowered solo-uber-gank-and-tank-mobile.
In other words, as with all non-inty Caldari missile boats, its great in a gang, and useless on its own.
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Deadzone
Caldari
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.05 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
The way to beat a drake is to fly a drake.
Honestly. It takes an AC tempest over a minute to break a drakes tank, if not more. Its ridiculous... passive tanks are starting to become really overpowered.
If you haven't quite figured it out by now....with the HP increase and all...CCP don't want fights taking 20 secs or less anymore. SO guess what...you aren't going to be able to gank a ship as fast as you are used to.
If you want it dead quickly, you better have brought more ships.
YEa-- Drake gets a good passive tank. Last time I looked at Amarr ships, they pack quite the armour tank- especially with their superior armour HP to begin with not adding plates or such.
As for dmg with Amarr ships....i would have to agree something needs to be changed here. Still not sure what...but something needs to be added..somewhere.
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Vice-Admiral
Military Division
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:10:00 -
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I'd imagine the Drake will lose resists for missile velocity to help tweak its tanking abilities.
Or they will boost the base regen time for shields on all ships to de-buff passive tanks.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will be amazed if the Drake isn't nerfed in six months time.
it won;t the whole point of the ship is to solve many many problems in the caladari PVP world.
yes caladari are good ships, but only the missile boats, and they re all used for PVE.
Eagle rox.
This is why BE doesn't use Ravens? Oh wait...
try not to talk out of your a**
you cant pvp in bs only. Ravens arent for roaming.
all the other 3 Races ships, are FASTER, more AGILE.
Caladari is on the disadvantage on that, but you never pay attention to that do you?
Compare vaga to Cerberus for instance. can a Cerberus roam as well as a vaga? no.
because it aint as fast an agile, therefore it will take more damage while orbiting a target.
not all be fly ravens just so you know
Erm, nothing can roam like a vaga can... How is this a problem specific to Caldari?
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:51:00 -
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Strong passive tank means he has no scram and no mwd. So just orbit him at 16km with ab/mwd, he won't be able to hit you and you can always warp away if you're about to die.
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Layla Currie
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Posted - 2006.11.05 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Layla Currie on 05/11/2006 05:55:45
I have level 5 in shield management and operation. With a 4 extender setup and 7 heavey launchers, i had upwards of 28k shields.
My friend in a harbinger abo****ely raped me.
The harbinger is not a noob friendly ship. 9-10mil sp will not cut it, you need that much in gunnery. When you have really good skills (which the harbinger needs) the thing is an absolute beast, much better than any of the other bcs. A max skilled harb will kill any of the other max skilled bcs hands down. At lower sp though it is rather luckluster
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:08:00 -
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Yeah, its a good missile platform, but has no way of keeping you in the fight or catch you. Just like the Raven.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:08:00 -
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You didnt fit any hardeners did you?
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Futuri
Strong passive tank means he has no scram and no mwd. So just orbit him at 16km with ab/mwd, he won't be able to hit you and you can always warp away if you're about to die.
Unless he fits a mid slot rig.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 05/11/2006 08:14:15
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Yeah, its a good missile platform, but has no way of keeping you in the fight or catch you. Just like the Raven.
Not anymore...
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Takahashi Arran
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.05 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Takahashi Arran on 05/11/2006 08:53:01
2 things about that rig 1. mempyhsito has publicly stated on the #eve-chaos channel that it won' exist in revelations final
2.it takes 400 calibration points anyway so you couldn't have fitted it on a T1 ship
the drake can;t keep an opponent in HAM range and even there has a lower dps than the other t2 BC's- (well i did see an insane injector,em hard, web,mwd 2 sensor damp setup- but that's got no tank like at all and is still slow ).
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.05 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Edited by: Goumindong on 05/11/2006 08:14:15
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Yeah, its a good missile platform, but has no way of keeping you in the fight or catch you. Just like the Raven.
Not anymore...
There are med slot rigs? Christ... I can see ships becoming seriously overpowered...400 calibration points only fits on battleships though as I understand it? But still. Why do the game need this? Im already worried.
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