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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:36:37 -
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I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.
Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:41:03 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context. The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection. Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:45:05 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context. The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection. Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1364
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:48:34 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both.
The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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LT Alter
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
156
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:27:09 -
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I think it's pertinent to thank CCP Darwin and CCP Falcon for some timely and informative responses. I'm glad to hear that having a golden erebus isn't being written off entirely by CCP, and that there is at least a chance I'll get my golden erebus, that I can fly ereday, and erebody wanna take my bridge. (It's a golden bus! Truly glorius...) |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:40:25 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
I have to say, I don't agree.
What makes Eve Spectacular is what we the players, and on some occasions with Live Events, CCP to, are able to do. How our ship looks doing it is not what keeps people coming back. That's why I think *most* skin combo's should be made available when technically possible (I know there are errors for what we have now, I accept that, gonna take a little work do QA on every skin for every hull..)
Navy Skins, makes sense that the Empires don't give those out. But Corp Skins, no reason they wouldn't sell the license to anyone who wants it, as such no reason not to find a way to make them available. Pirate Factions? Should be pricey, but lets face it, not like they can fight a copyright claim with Concord.. If I wanna paint my Domi to look like a Blood Raider, then why not?
The fixed looks, that's for the NPC Lore. But us capsulers are individuals, We don't represent any specific gov't, we are like independent contractors, and there's no reason why we should't be able to have a lot of leeway with our ships. I can go out right now, buy a VW Golf, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang... I don't see the lore excuse being good enough for why I can't do that in space. If I can dress my Spaceship Barbie virtually anyway I want, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to do the same thing to my ships. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25112
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:57:26 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tippia wrote:No. They simply had no direction. That's your opinion, and I disagree. It's really that simple. You can keep rationalising your opinion is you want, but it's not something I will suddenly agree with.
No, it's not my opinion. It's the opinion of the devs involved, as told through numerous AARs and official accounts that have come out in the wake of the ambulation branch being put on hold.
Again, if you want to disagree with the people who actually needed that direction to do their job and who, pretty much universally, say that it didn't exist, then that's fine, but you need a more sane and sensible boogeyman in your narrative than the players because they had nothing to do with it. You can stomp your feet all you like over how you didn't stomp your feet, and how it was somehow the players' fault that CCP ****** up, but you keep forgetting that one of the core issues was that CCP was flying alone, blind (and again, without direction) at the time GÇö player input was not a factor for the simple reason that there was no player input. The Incarna d+¬b+ácle is what put player input on the agenda, and player input created one of the most wildly successful expansions this game has ever seen.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
879
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Posted - 2015.05.02 07:24:29 -
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Sweet no como bjesus
Fleet phoon
Dominix Navy
Meh Vargur
Clean Orca
Kronos platinum edition
Bit of mix there.
Are these permanent now?
Would like to see player customization rather than pre made skins.
Props for skin engine it is rock solid. |
Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 08:49:25 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
I have to say, I don't agree. What makes Eve Spectacular is what we the players, and on some occasions with Live Events, CCP to, are able to do. How our ship looks doing it is not what keeps people coming back. That's why I think *most* skin combo's should be made available when technically possible (I know there are errors for what we have now, I accept that, gonna take a little work do QA on every skin for every hull..) Navy Skins, makes sense that the Empires don't give those out. But Corp Skins, no reason they wouldn't sell the license to anyone who wants it, as such no reason not to find a way to make them available. Pirate Factions? Should be pricey, but lets face it, not like they can fight a copyright claim with Concord.. If I wanna paint my Domi to look like a Blood Raider, then why not? The fixed looks, that's for the NPC Lore. But us capsulers are individuals, We don't represent any specific gov't, we are like independent contractors, and there's no reason why we should't be able to have a lot of leeway with our ships. I can go out right now, buy a VW Golf, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang... I don't see the lore excuse being good enough for why I can't do that in space. If I can dress my Spaceship Barbie virtually anyway I want, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to do the same thing to my ships.
Exactly. We are no npc's. We are capsuleers in a sandbox where we create our own lore. Provi block likes to fly allot of gold or goons wanna fly yellow ships. Then why not give them the ability to do that. This bug [miracle] is the best thing that happened to eve for a long time. And you wanna take that away from us? I think you'll be disappointing almost every capsuleer in eve. Don't let this happen. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2099
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Posted - 2015.05.02 08:53:17 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both. The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)
At the least it would be nice to purchase skins by corporation rather than for each individual hull.
So rather than a Nugh Rokh skin you simply get the Nugh license that can then be applied to all T1 Caldari ships.
T2 ships may require more individual licenses as they are already specialised to a single corporation, so getting the rights to change their colour would be understandably more difficult. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9587
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:00:34 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22825
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:05:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ...
... see how it works and make money from it ...
... and then getting the next set ready.
They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ...
... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ...
... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9587
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:11:02 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset? Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ... ... see how it works and make money from it ... ... and then getting the next set ready. They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ... ... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ... ... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:20:24 -
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Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!
Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.
I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.
It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.
I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.
Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.
Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.
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Kaydance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:23:34 -
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Quote:
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
^
CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9588
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:42:20 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!
Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.
I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.
It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.
I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.
Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.
Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.
what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:35:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
Because it is like this.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22897
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:39:37 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day ..........................
........ and even more copies of copies of copies.
From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^
Your idea is great ...
... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9589
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:42:18 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day .......................... ........ and even more copies of copies of copies. From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^ Your idea is great ... ... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD
so put a non-trivial pay wall there,
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Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
306
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:50:12 -
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Kaydance wrote:Quote:
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
^ CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales.
How aboutthere ould be a process similar to Alliance Logo creation?
Players or allinces submit some material or just a combination of existing styles, CCP approves SKINs lorewise and does the testing and then the thing becomes buyable for Aurum.
Option: exclusively purchaseable by the designer who has to buy a minimum of X units to start the process.
Then you could have unique looks for certain ships or certain fleets only for your alliance (or yourself if you are INCREDIBLY rich).
Or you could become a spaceship designer and have a monopoly on your designs. |
Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
450
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:07:24 -
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Let us have it CCP please
You can still add and item in the Store to allow us to do it some kind of pirate or drifter kit
Need my police vexor :)
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
170
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:17:44 -
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James' strawberries! Is it a Police Pursuit Catalyst?!
Oh, yes, it is!
Just look at it! It even has the flashing lights! |
Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22907
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:38:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day .......................... ........ and even more copies of copies of copies. From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^ Your idea is great ... ... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD so put a non-trivial pay wall there,
Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD
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Tara'Quoya Rax
Atlantis Asteria
6
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:02:56 -
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Now that the cat is out of the bag as we can all see how very feasible it is to have any skin on any ship, limiting the skins to a small set of combinations at ridiculous prices is just appalling CCP.
I won't be buying any skin ever until generic skins come out. |
Memphis Baas
357
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:03:58 -
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Thanks for your comments, CCP Darwin. I guess we'll have to apply restraint when considering what SKINs we want for our ships. Hopefully CCP realizes that they're telling the customer not to want to buy so much.
You are lucky that you don't allow mods to this game, because we would have been all over this ****** implementation of a great feature, corrected via mods in less that ... how long did it take them to find this bug? Actually, as a side note, if this game allowed mods, that would have been a constraint on CCP to release skins the right way, or we'd just mod-fix them. As it is, your track record is looking at EFT for 10 years before thinking to put that functionality in the game's fitting screen.
Anyway, Constraint Mode is on for me; I'm going to consider every skin that's made available based on cost, and what I actually get from that money in terms of gameplay. The per-ship system lets me spin ships with pretty colors, but doesn't allow me or anyone to build an in-game color reputation (and this game is about building a reputation). I'm going to ignore all these posted screenshots, because they simply build disappointment at what we can't have.
So, besides skins, which I'm ignoring now, what else is CCP working on? FozzieSov, maybe station revamp in the future. Hmm. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
267
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:38:11 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:
The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.
I am great with this as long as
a) The theme of "player made universe" remains the underlining theme of the ship customization system.
b) "rare to own" is not defined by either luckiest, or one with the most real life money to throw at the game.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:46:21 -
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For those who are not so contrained: dustorama. Yeah, put those lasers to good use baby. 
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
1729
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:01:16 -
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The lore argument about we capsuleers (its different for NPC armies) being restricted in terms of what color we can put on our ships is BS and you know it.
As a space god, I DEMAND to be able to paint all my ships in black.
As a sandbox MMO player, I ask that there is a new career that lets player create ship designs and sell them to other players. This is a player driven univers god dammit, not a gothic sadness simulator.
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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
246
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:03:41 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
These skins look amazing.
http://www.netsky.org/eve/PhantasmPolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/NightmarePolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/EosSarum.png
I hope that ccp will provide us with 2 basic color scheme skins that can be applied to any ship, not just t-1 variants.
This would be super awesome.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:14:31 -
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And it would upgrade tournament visuals, imagine red and blue teams on the screen, anybody also comentators on twitch knows who is who just by looking at ship.
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