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chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:31:33 -
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I am referring to this Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/34hvr9/psa_you_can_skin_any_ship_with_any_skin_blood/
Apparently CCP has the means to allow us nice new skins on every ship in game.
Let that sink in for a moment, any skin on any ship.
While I do understand the argument of now allowing Sarum Ishtar, for lore reasons, why I cant use Vexor skin on Ishtar is beyond me.
Or any other skin that is avalible on T1 ship to be used on T2 variant.
Clearly that can be allowed today.
It was allowed on SiSi.
Guess they will squeez every cent out of skin system.
Where you have to buy a skin for every T1 / T2 ship separately.
With average price for a skin of 30$
And as far as I know skins stay on character , so when you sell a char you sell skins as well.
That you paid a lot of RL money to own.
This could be worse idea then monocle gate.
Did we learn nothing from inside CCP PDF called - Greed is good ?
http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf
( By the way the PDF is legitimate. They did actually publish it in house )
Will we see yet another Hillmars apology and yet another dunk in player base, that never recovered from Incarna mistake.
How many times do you have to make bad decisions to learn a lesson CCP ? |
Torla Grey
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:39:08 -
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I don't plan on buying any so this is not a problem. |
binaryAegis
Nova Express
1
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:08:51 -
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The main issue I take with your post is this:
Quote:With average price for a skin of 30$
The actual average is closer to $12. Of the 130 skins available, only 4 of them are $30, which represents 3% of all of the available skins
Take a look at this chart and see what I mean.
Although I think you are being a bit overly dramatic I agree with the rest of your post
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Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
81
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:12:14 -
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Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code  . The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
97
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:16:36 -
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Slap any colours on any ship and Id buy a heck of a lot more of em.
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:23:49 -
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Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay. |
chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
27
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:23:55 -
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Luna Arindale wrote:Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code . The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option.
Paragraphs are great in case people actually decide to read what you posted.
As for D-Scan - skins dont change the name of a ship.
They do how ever change the way your ship looks like.
As for the rest of your post, I am having trouble understanding what message you actually wanted to convey.
Considering me being on dramatic side, perhaps.
I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
810
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:35:34 -
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chelly Dian wrote:I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.
They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P
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Winter Archipelago
Furtherance.
366
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:40:56 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.
To be fair, if SKINs could be used on any ship, the possible pool for use is 4x the size than it was originally. If individual corp SKINs were sold that could be used on any ship at all, you're still going to have the folks buying, say, a Syndicate skin for the Atron, but you'll also have the chance to sell a Syndicate skin for the Omen to somebody who flies Omens, but didn't like the existing SKIN options.
I can understand "special" corp SKINs being restricted (such as Quafe and Police), but the general corp colors would be awesome to have as general any-ship varieties.
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chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
27
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:41:03 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.
I see you werent around for Incarna.
The monocle still has no impact on game play as such.
But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding.
I was there shooting the monument.
But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE.
We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ.
Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store.
Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance.
As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday.
CCP had to shut down some offices around the world
World of Darkness canceled
Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it.
We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience.
CCP as a company lost even more.
Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Triumvirate.
8514
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:41:21 -
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Entity wrote:chelly Dian wrote:I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation. They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P
Ah, yes.. the memories.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
97
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:47:45 -
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Im actually sorry I read this thread now.
Thought it was sense.
Reporting as a rant. |
Siigari Kitawa
Magic Minerals
Push Interstellar Network
389
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:48:36 -
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Alpheias wrote:Entity wrote:chelly Dian wrote:I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation. They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P Ah, yes.. the memories.
CCP took a lot of functionality away from the game. My bio got concatenated to hell back when they changed that around.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Triumvirate.
8515
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:53:28 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Alpheias wrote:Entity wrote:chelly Dian wrote:I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation. They have a history of doing that. Anyone remember the bio editor from 2003? it was 24bit+8bit alpha capable so you could have amazing artsy stuff in your bio. Now you can't do anything with the limited space and color palette :P Ah, yes.. the memories. CCP took a lot of functionality away from the game. My bio got concatenated to hell back when they changed that around.
Lucky you. I had a peevish GM coming at me, who did not see the funny in a frog breaking the surface line, telling you to take off your pants. :(
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Mister Ripley
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:24:39 -
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chelly Dian wrote:Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay. I see you werent around for Incarna. The monocle still has no impact on game play as such. But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding. I was there shooting the monument. But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE. We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ. Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store. Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance. As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday. CCP had to shut down some offices around the world World of Darkness canceled Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it. We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience. CCP as a company lost even more. Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again.
*sigh* Just trowing random words in the discussion and refer to something gate without knowing what it all was about... Maybe YOU should read something about it to get a better understanding... The greed is good stuff you are talking about was a internal discussion that got leaked. A discussion with different opinions about micro transactions.
Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars.
Monocle gate was something that some "news" sites escalated to generate clicks.
Another problem was that CCP didn't comunicate very well if there were plans to sell "gold ammo" or something alike.
TBH, I would pay 50k AUR or even more for something I like. As long as I can get AUR ingame for ISK, I don't see any problems here. And as long as it's just vanity stuff. As soon as CCP tries to put a AUR price tag on a game feature, be it even a UI Theme like my beloved Dark Opaque Theme, I'm out!
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
7
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:46:07 -
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Mister Ripley wrote:chelly Dian wrote:Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay. I see you werent around for Incarna. The monocle still has no impact on game play as such. But if you go up and actually click on "greed is good " CCP link and / or google EVE Incarna gate you will get a better understanding. I was there shooting the monument. But the important thing is, before all that we had a graph on main EVE page that showed current number of people loged in to EVE. We peaked at some 60 000+ people logged in at one time to TQ. Then Incarna came and they decided to make horrible mistake with in game store. Mind you nothing in store had any impact on pilot performance. As a result of Monocle gate ( 100$ for a monocle ) today we peak at some 35 000 players on EU Prime time friday. CCP had to shut down some offices around the world World of Darkness canceled Walking in Stations ( WiS ) got canceled. Or as CCP would state - we are still working on it. We as players have lost a LOT because of CCPs lack of understanding their target audience. CCP as a company lost even more. Im afraid Hillmar is headed to those shores of fail yet once again. *sigh* Just trowing random words in the discussion and refer to something gate without knowing what it all was about... Maybe YOU should read something about it to get a better understanding... The greed is good stuff you are talking about was a internal discussion that got leaked. A discussion with different opinions about micro transactions. Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars. Monocle gate was something that some "news" sites escalated to generate clicks. Another problem was that CCP didn't comunicate very well if there were plans to sell "gold ammo" or something alike. TBH, I would pay 50k AUR or even more for something I like. As long as I can get AUR ingame for ISK, I don't see any problems here. And as long as it's just vanity stuff. As soon as CCP tries to put a AUR price tag on a game feature, be it even a UI Theme like my beloved Dark Opaque Theme, I'm out!
Yeah i read a lot about monoclegate and it really seemed much ado about nothing. Reddit is good at creating shitstorms and drama over minor things as are many other websites. Frankly anyone who ragequit over that was bound to lose their temper eventually at some other minor cosmetic change. Or easily manipulated into being someones flying devil monkey. What people should be really focusing on are things that actually affect gameplay. Sov mechanics etc. If people had spent half the energy they used in monoclegate to actually improving the game don't you think CCP would listen?
P.S anyone who ragequits the game feel free to send me your stuff. |
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
81
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:52:57 -
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chelly Dian wrote:Luna Arindale wrote:Guys, there are going to be time limited versions of every skin. They already exist in the code . The cost of the perminant skins being perminantly bound makes sense if there are going to be 7, 30, 90, and 365 day time limited versions most likely released through the lp stores of the factions. If they are adding more t2 skins then I think that's pretty cool. As for t1 base skins on t2s then I am glad they aren't allowing it. If skins ever change the dscan reading of the ship the. I don't want a vexor fleet on dscan suddenly be "lol actually ishtars." If they make differen factions make t2 skins based off of supposed weath of the corperation they represent I think that would be a better option. Paragraphs are great in case people actually decide to read what you posted. As for D-Scan - skins dont change the name of a ship. They do how ever change the way your ship looks like. As for the rest of your post, I am having trouble understanding what message you actually wanted to convey. Considering me being on dramatic side, perhaps. I simply hate the fact they are limiting options we have to point of absurd when there is not technical limitation.
Paragraphs are great, except when every sentence is in one.
But if you insist.
I will type like this when conveying to you.
Time limited ship skins are a thing
They exist in 7,30,90, and 365 day versions in the game code.
As such the cost of the current ship skins make sense.
I am assuming that those will be released
I know they don't change the dscan currently I am not stupid.
I was suggesting that if CCP ever did do that to help distinguish targets then having t1 skins for t2s could be abused.
No one who actually cares pays attention to anything but dscan and overview anyway.
I want t2 skins, and I want the t2 skins to be for the factions with the most money.
As those factions can actually afford the ships so it would make sense for them to have them.
Now please, I hate typing like this because it makes me seem like an arrogant ass.
Can we keep the discussion civil atleast? I am using a tablet, with keys much smaller than my fingers. I was typing rather fast at the time so I appologize for the lack of a good structure to my paragraph. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2365
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:02:20 -
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chelly Dian wrote:This could be worse idea then monocle gate. Did we learn nothing from inside CCP PDF called - Greed is good ? http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf( By the way the PDF is legitimate. They did actually publish it in house ) Will we see yet another Hillmars apology and yet another dunk in player base, that never recovered from Incarna mistake. How many times do you have to make bad decisions to learn a lesson CCP ?
nope. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
102
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:06:36 -
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Luna Arindale wrote:
Paragraphs are great, except when every sentence is in one.
But if you insist.
I will type like this when conveying to you.
You should try typing like this.
It's very easy to read
But then sometimes
people complain
that they
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:17:36 -
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Why? (Let that soak in for a minute, OP.)
WELCOME TO A FOR-PROFIT VENTURE!
You are a child of free-market capitalism. You shouldn't need these things explained to you. Unless, perhaps there was a mental lapse...REDDIT? Okay...just watch it in the future. It's dog eat dog out there.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:18:46 -
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:22:20 -
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My hero! 
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4454
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:23:26 -
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Oh all right, nvm.
Thread reopened.
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
399
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:42:18 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Why? (Let that soak in for a minute, OP.) WELCOME TO A FOR-PROFIT VENTURE! You are a child of free-market capitalism. You shouldn't need these things explained to you. Unless, perhaps there was a mental lapse...REDDIT? Okay...just watch it in the future. It's dog eat dog out there.
He isn't taking issue with CCP wanting to make money, he's taking issue with the way they are choosing to go about it. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5562
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Posted - 2015.05.01 16:51:03 -
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Mister Ripley wrote:Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars. Incarna had a hell of a lot more than just that in it. The whole monument shooting thing was a massive overreaction by overly entitled players who felt they didn't like the direction EVE was going and had the right to dictate policy though virtual terrorism. Personally I'd have told the lot of you to sod off. The vast majority of people who scream, cry, then threaten to quit would never actually quit anyway.
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Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
95
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:26:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars. Incarna had a hell of a lot more than just that in it. The whole monument shooting thing was a massive overreaction by overly entitled players who felt they didn't like the direction EVE was going and had the right to dictate policy though virtual terrorism. Personally I'd have told the lot of you to sod off. The vast majority of people who scream, cry, then threaten to quit would never actually quit anyway.
Telling customers to "sod off" a sound business plan if I've ever heard one. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
106
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:31:38 -
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Damen Apol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars. Incarna had a hell of a lot more than just that in it. The whole monument shooting thing was a massive overreaction by overly entitled players who felt they didn't like the direction EVE was going and had the right to dictate policy though virtual terrorism. Personally I'd have told the lot of you to sod off. The vast majority of people who scream, cry, then threaten to quit would never actually quit anyway. Telling customers to "sod off" a sound business plan if I've ever heard one.
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Sunshine and Lollipops
25099
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:38:17 -
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The solution to this problem is to fix the performance issues incurred, nothing else.
You accidentally made something spectacularly awesome. Don't muck it up by GÇ£fixingGÇ¥ it the wrong way, and don't even begin to use something as pathetically pointless and in every way utterly irrelevant as GÇ£loreGÇ¥ as an argument in favour of screwing up what you've created. What you created might not have been what you intended. This is, if anything, even more irrelevant.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23702
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:42:40 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:Incarna was a problem because they focused almost all thier resources on the four ****** rooms and useless avatars. Incarna had a hell of a lot more than just that in it. The whole monument shooting thing was a massive overreaction by overly entitled players who felt they didn't like the direction EVE was going and had the right to dictate policy though virtual terrorism. You're partially correct, and yet massively wrong at the same time.
Yes the monument shooting was a protest against the direction that people thought CCP was taking. No it wasn't a massive overreaction by overly entitled players, CCPs initial, and official, reaction to player concerns basically flipped us off and told us to foxtrot oscar. The reaction by players was both appropriate and understandable.
Quote:Personally I'd have told the lot of you to sod off. And you'd be out of business very rapidly, no company is too big to fail if they alienate their customer base that badly; not without government bailouts anyway.
Quote:The vast majority of people who scream, cry, then threaten to quit would never actually quit anyway. So the estimated 10% subscription losses are a figment of the imagination? Anecdotally I know of people that unsubbed and haven't returned, and of others that unsubbed multiple alt accounts and now only run with one.
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Allairis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:59:09 -
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OP on alt
What I am asking is - if you buy a SKIN for ship it should be for T1 and T2 ships.
This goes for Inty / HAC/ Command - etc.
If you buy a skin for T1 hull it should be avalible on T2 hulls as well.
If a shin works on Megathron why would it cause perfromance issues on Kronos ?
It is my opinion we got T1 skins now and in near future we will get T2 skins as separate item.
Basically we will pay more then once for same commodity.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3496
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:11:41 -
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TL;DR "we hate it when you enjoy yourselves, but we won't ban you"
How about you guys just, I dunno, disable the (apparently known) performance issue combinations? And if they aren't all known, that isn't difficult to test for. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
107
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:16:17 -
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Uh
Not all T1 and T2 hulls of the same ship class are identical.
In fact, most if not all, arent. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5563
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:24:09 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Yes the monument shooting was a protest against the direction that people thought CCP was taking. No it wasn't a massive overreaction by overly entitled players, CCPs initial, and official, reaction to player concerns basically flipped us off and told us to foxtrot oscar. The reaction by players was both appropriate and understandable. That's a matter of opinion. As far as I saw it, CCP were exploring revenue generation and looking at new ways to expand the game. While I didn't necessarily agree with some of what they did, I'd not flip out as if they'd just announced a baby-murdering venture. In my opinion the reaction of the community was disgusting, and CCP folding to pressure was the start of the downhill slope to where we are now where decisions and large issues are made based on how much screaming the community does.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:And you'd be out of business very rapidly, when you produce a niche game you can't afford to tell your limited customer base to sod off. In fact very few companies at all can afford to do that. I doubt it. Like I say, I doubt very many people would have actually quit. People complain all the time and say how they're quitting, and yet here they still are. I think if they'd had more spine they wouldn't be in as bad a position as they are now.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:So the estimated 10% subscription losses are a figment of the imagination? Anecdotally I know of people that unsubbed and haven't returned, and of others that unsubbed multiple alt accounts and now only run with one. Some people would (and have) unsubbed regardless of the outcome. Most people who protest unsubbed though would have been back. This is their crack.
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Allairis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:36:30 -
[34] - Quote
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Uh
Not all T1 and T2 hulls of the same ship class are identical.
In fact, most if not all, arent.
Identical - no.
Extremely simular - yes.
Much like twins.
There are differences, but you have to look for them. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
107
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:37:49 -
[35] - Quote
Allairis wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Uh
Not all T1 and T2 hulls of the same ship class are identical.
In fact, most if not all, arent. Identical - no. Extremely simular - yes. Much like twins. There are differences, but you have to look for them.
Looking is how I tend to see things, yes
Also *similar |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23704
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:38:57 -
[36] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:That's a matter of opinion. As far as I saw it, CCP were exploring revenue generation and looking at new ways to expand the game. Indeed it is, I'm fine with CCP exploring revenue generation and looking at ways to expand the game, what I wasn't fine with was their initial dismissive $1000 pants reaction to player concerns, especially when not long before they had categorically stated that microtransactions was not a route they would be taking; what broke the camels back was that their dismissal was closely followed by the, admittedly hypothetical, "greed is good" study leak. It made them look to be bare faced liars and they could definitely have handled the matter a lot better.
Quote: While I didn't necessarily agree with some of what they did, I'd not flip out as if they'd just announced a baby-murdering venture. In my opinion the reaction of the community was disgusting, and CCP folding to pressure was the start of the downhill slope to where we are now where decisions and large issues are made based on how much screaming the community does. I disagree, I feel that CCP learnt a lot from Incarna. The development cycle and reiteration on previously broken or just plain whack mechanics has improved the game no end.
Quote:I doubt it. Like I say, I doubt very many people would have actually quit. People complain all the time and say how they're quitting, and yet here they still are. I think if they'd had more spine they wouldn't be in as bad a position as they are now. Some people may not have quit, but enough people did downsize their accounts resulting in a loss of revenue for CCP. Incarna is what happens when you let marketing dictate development.
Quote:Some people would (and have) unsubbed regardless of the outcome. Most people who protest unsubbed though would have been back. This is their crack. Agreed, some people did unsub, I also agree that Eve is literally gaming crack and that some have indeed returned; that said, some people did not.
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
8
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:39:25 -
[37] - Quote
Question for devs. If we use the bug to make some pretty ships that we leave docked and only use for station spinning what are the chances of some kind of load issue? I have a gold astero im going to leave right where it is because its too damn pretty to fly. |
Memphis Baas
351
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:44:59 -
[38] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Personally I'd have told the lot of you to sod off. The vast majority of people who scream, cry, then threaten to quit would never actually quit anyway.
Right, because if you take the 18% subscription decrease, calculate that out of the 500,000 peak they had, and then compare the 90,000 result to the number of forum complaints (200-page thread, 20 posts per page, all complaints = 4,000), the numbers certainly support your theory that people don't actually quit anyway. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8445
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:49:07 -
[39] - Quote
Allairis wrote:
If a shin works on Megathron why would it cause perfromance issues on Kronos ?
Any number of reasons.
Here's what I will find ironic. The same whiners saying to just let it in with no testing are likely to be the same ones threatening to unsub when these untested skins start crashing their game.
Entitlement. It's a joy to watch in action.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
444
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:50:54 -
[40] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:So the estimated 10% subscription losses are a figment of the imagination? Anecdotally I know of people that unsubbed and haven't returned, and of others that unsubbed multiple alt accounts and now only run with one.
I'm not sure what started this myth? Is this someones original research through average players logged in or something or did anyone credible from CCP actually give this figure, ever?
I mean if you look at EVE Offline you can see a lot of people supposedly "quit" after the release of Crucible, and even bigger drops have been experienced later and that EVE is in fact at an all time low in concurrent users since 2009 - have the recent patches been so terrible? IMO the PCU is a terrible metric on gouging the popularity of expansions, if that is indeed where this "10% of subs lost" myth originated from. There are a ton of factors that can affect it starting from nullsec wars and the alt armies they bring to bear. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8005
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:55:50 -
[41] - Quote
http://puu.sh/hxdS5/d8bc5ce305.jpg
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure
Black Legion.
1489
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:55:58 -
[42] - Quote
TFW the most popular feature in your expansion is a bug. |
Memphis Baas
351
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:07:34 -
[43] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:TFW the most popular feature in your expansion is a bug.
Give us universal skins, CCP! |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
781
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:07:39 -
[44] - Quote
It time to burn Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25101
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:11:44 -
[45] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:I'm not sure what started this myth? Is this someones original research through average players logged in or something or did anyone credible from CCP actually give this figure, ever?
Leaks, online numbers, and a historical close correlation between subs and activity.
Nothing official was ever said, but then again, nothing official could be said without people being slapped very hard for leaking critical proprietary financial information. The 10% number was cited through unofficial channels some time around september '11, about a month before the 20% layoffs.
Really, the 10% number seems a bit conservative in hindsight, all things considered. Not that it matters whether it was 10% or 20%. What mattered was that CCP had already started to bleed customers heavily after their PvE-centric expansion (to no-one's surprise GÇö all PvE expansions for MMOs have exhibited the same behaviour), and were up for a refinancing round for their other projects. When Incarna was a spectacular flop for half a dozen reasons and the customer decline turned into a (relative) free-fall with double-digit losses in just one or two months, CCP had to do something to make the investorsGǪ wellGǪ invest. Scuttling seemingly dead-end projects and doing exactly what their customers were asking for was the only way out.
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Mane Frehm
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
39
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:15:48 -
[46] - Quote
Don't normally comment on stuff like this, but what the heck I have the time today so here are a few quick thoughts:
Do SKINs confer any in game advantage? No they don't - thank God CCP has learned that lesson.
So then what is the issue here? Appears to be that new functionality for artwork can be applied far more generally (ie to many ships) than has previously been thought possible with the 1 skin per ship type model. CCP has now raised the issue of possible performance issues and although some folks are discounting that, I can tell you emphatically that in legacy code, stuff that appears to have no rational basis for impacting performance can do so. So if CCP has said this, lets cut them some slack.
Moving on.....
CCPs goal as a company is to maximize value for their owners/shareholders. I have no issues with this (and anyone who does is living in lala land), especially given that the most important element in maximising value most of the time is keeping their user base happy and growing it wherever possible. The key question for CCP is actually a simple one (assuming any performance issues can be managed) - can they generate more revenue/growth/profit from the single ship SKIN model or the multi-ship SKIN model? Simple question but tough to come up with the "right" answer.
Underlying issue in all of this is how important is artwork/the look of ships to the user base and how much are they willing to pay to have decorated ships.
Option 1 - continue with the single skin model. Will generate revenue from multiple skin purchases if price point is right and client interest is high (unclear at this point whether either is valid). Price points can be adjusted based on takeup rates and feedback. Will avoid the possible performance issues identified by CCP. Has the risk of annoying clients as the cat is now out of the bag re multi ship applicability of SKINs.
Option 2 - switch to a multi-ship SKIN model. Unclear whether revenue would increase or decrease from this switch (modelling required); has the benefit of being seen as responsive to player input. Will need to identify and address any performance issues (possible increased costs). Possible cost savings as there would be reduced need for additional skins from the Art department due to broader use of existing skins.
Red herring - the view of the dystopian Universe. Its a big universe in EVE. CCP can preserve the general dark/gritty feel while allowing for more individual expression that will in fad highlight the general darkness. Unless someone can definitively show how allowing more expression is going to reduce revenue/growth/profit I would recommend giving it a go.
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Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4408
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:15:54 -
[47] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Here's a response from us regarding this bug! [/url]
Maybe you should make it a feature. Just a thought...
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2366
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:22:51 -
[48] - Quote
CCP WHY YOU HATE US NOT LETTIN US DO WHAT WE WANT
It's not like they have been working on any way for players to have complete painting freedom for their ships. No way a greedy mney grubbing company like CCP would do that.
calm yo ****. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5565
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:38:53 -
[49] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Right, because if you take the 18% subscription decrease, calculate that out of the 500,000 peak they had, and then compare the 90,000 result to the number of forum complaints (200-page thread, 20 posts per page, all complaints = 4,000), the numbers certainly support your theory that people don't actually quit anyway. That's pure guesstimation at the sub numbers. That said, I never said people don't leave EVE, more that the people complaining and screaming "I'LL QUIT I WILL!" tend to not actually quit. If they are passionate enough about the game that making the CQ and $1000 pants is enough for them to lose their freakin minds, then they are probably addicted to the game and unlikely to leave any time soon.
In addition, your 18% is the potential decrease in subs following CCP buckling to the public pressure of players shooting the monument. Who's to say that if they actually stood up for what they believed was the right direction for EVE that it wouldn't be in a better position now. They certainly spend too much time trying to appease the loudest whiners these days, that's for sure.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
395
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:50:26 -
[50] - Quote
How quickly most of your forget.
The issues around Incarna was not because the Vanity Items was too expensive. Many of the issues didn't even have anything to do with the NEX store at all.
The issues were, in order:
- Lack of ANY Meaningful Development, Improvement, or Fixes to the actual Eve Game in over a Year.
- The Captains Quarters being Forced on everyone with no option to turn it off (causes a great deal of load on lower-end machines.
- The whole Walking in Stations having taken up a year and a half of Dev Time rather than game-play improvements.
- CCP Refusing to publicly states that they were NOT going to use the NEX Store for Pay2Win.
Vanity Items being expensive.
That's the order. CCP has done it right this time, for the most part.
Like or hate the SKIN's system, no one can say CCP hasn't done any other work on Eve since they started working on it. We've had major balance passes, new ships, new models, improvements to the core engine, etc.
Some of the big changes, like the Map, were Opt-in Beta's before they were pushed out to everyone. There's lots of issues with it still, but I'll be most of them could have been sorted out if people had of bothered to actively test it when it was in Beta, and post feedback. I've checked the threads, while the issues were raised, they were not raised by many till CCP forced it on everyone.
Prices, well ya, I think a lot of them are overprice, OR should be made available in game by other means. There seems to be little sense in the pricing structure for the SKIN's atm, Supers being most expensive makes sense, but there are frigates that cost more than BS's. That said, for an Initial Launch, it's not bad. Hopefully CCP will sort some of it out in the neat future.
People here talking about the Incarna Riots were by people that felt self-entitled.. no, they have honest to god issues. Issues which CCP listed too and quickly addressed I might add for the better of the game. The people who complain about the SKIN's system now and make it out to be like Incarna need their head examined. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25103
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:54:59 -
[51] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:In addition, your 18% is the potential decrease in subs following CCP buckling to the public pressure of players shooting the monument. Who's to say that if they actually stood up for what they believed was the right direction for EVE that it wouldn't be in a better position now.
Crucible, that's who.
No-one quit playing because CCP started to listen to the players after nearly two years of ignoring them. Crucible proved that listening to players made them come back.
What you seem to have forgotten is that they had no direction for EVE, only (barely) for their other IPs. That's a large part of why Incarna (the feature) crashed and burned. It was reheated left-overs from efforts put towards other IPs. And that's the really important thing to remember: they didn't even have a proper direction for the new IPs that were meant to calve off tech that could be reused in EVE GÇö it was continuously trashed and restarted because of the aimless feature creep, so any conception of there being a direction for the EVE stuff is laughably na+»ve. If EVE got anything, it was purely accidental and incidental, and very very far removed from anything that could be considered a proper direction.
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
9
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Posted - 2015.05.01 19:56:03 -
[52] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:http://puu.sh/hxdS5/d8bc5ce305.jpg
MY PRECIOUS!
Nice. Heres mine.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
395
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:18:43 -
[53] - Quote
I see your Shiny, and raise you Corporate Advertising.
http://i.imgur.com/TgkSfIL.jpg Quafe Paladin.. OMFG.. CCP, lore or not, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I can accept Lore for not selling military skins to other factions, but Corp Skins.. Come on.. It's so beautiful \o/ |
Maria Jita
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:20:41 -
[54] - Quote
Can we have an official response as to why CCP is releasing features when they know it is bugged and potentially "cause increased load and client performance issues"
May I suggest that CCP changes to a release cycle that allowes for you to postpone features that include known bugs?... oh.. wait.. sorry... May I suggest that CCP starts to use the advantages of their release cycle instead of constantly releasing bugged updates? That would be great! |
Mister Ripley
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:20:46 -
[55] - Quote
Why do this things happen when I don't have access to a client?? SCREW YOU CCP!!!!!! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:22:47 -
[56] - Quote
Not going to lie, this glitch pretty much makes the skin system function in a way that would actually have me participating now were it officially sanctioned. Not only because I can apply skins to hulls I actually fly regularly, but also because skinning a large number of hulls becomes a non-bank breaking proposition.
Going to agree with those who propose more general SKINS since the functionality exists rather than specific hull restrictions. If QA is the only thing standing in the way there isn't much reason to not enable further hulls to use a skin as QA passes them. There could even be a compromise where a skin applies to a particular ship size or something. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8447
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:26:23 -
[57] - Quote
Maria Jita wrote:Can we have an official response as to why CCP is releasing features when they know it is bugged and potentially "cause increased load and client performance issues" May I suggest that CCP changes to a release cycle that allowes for you to postpone features that include known bugs?... oh.. wait.. sorry... May I suggest that CCP starts to use the advantages of their release cycle instead of constantly releasing bugged updates? That would be great!
It's not a feature and it wasn't released as such.
It's a ******* bug! As in: it was an unintended side effect of this release. Some of you people are just simply dumb.
Seriously dumb.
Mr Epeen
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
9
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:28:50 -
[58] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:I see your Shiny, and raise you Corporate Advertising. http://i.imgur.com/TgkSfIL.jpg Quafe Paladin.. OMFG.. CCP, lore or not, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I can accept Lore for not selling military skins to other factions, but Corp Skins.. Come on.. It's so beautiful \o/
That is mighty pretty |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5565
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:40:36 -
[59] - Quote
Tippia wrote:What you seem to have forgotten is that they had no direction for EVE I disagree. They simply didn't have the same ideas as some of the overly entitled players. I too was playing at the time and had no problems with what they were doing. I didn't feel the sudden desire to start shooting monuments and stamping my feet.
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
450
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:46:47 -
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Just check if any problem with performance... If not
Let us have it CCP..... Be smart everyone loves it and don't give us the lore thing reason.
You can say that a drifter #something# can make us apply any skin on any ship etc etc
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
.... Open that damn door !!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25105
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Posted - 2015.05.01 20:55:42 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I disagree. They simply didn't have the same ideas as some of the overly entitled players.
No. They simply had no direction. You see this in the excuses being made after the Incarna fiasco becomes apparent; in the repeated failures to turn ambulation/WiS into something that offers anything to EVE; in the numerous reports of the unguided and directionless development of that entire branch of CARBON, from both the perspective of CSM and of the actual devs involved. If you want to disagree with what the devs say about what happened, then that's fine, but you're going to need to find a more realistic and sensible scapegoat for your fantastical narrative than GÇ£entitled playersGÇ¥.
At no point after 2008 could they offer any idea or vision of what WiS was supposed to do, and the ideas they had before that were all scuttled in one of the many many restarts of the project. There was one attempt at thinking something up GÇö the out-of-pod exploration stuff GÇö but that happened after Incarna, once it had become clear that a directionless WiS was also pointless (and it was also an attempt that, like all WiS before it, was abandonedGǪ once again demonstrating the lack of direction).
Quote:I too was playing at the time and had no problems with what they were doing. I didn't feel the sudden desire to start shooting monuments and stamping my feet.
And your lack of investment in the game and apathy over the lack of direction in everything CCP has done with WiS does not make other players entitled, nor does it suddenly imbue WiS with anything resembling a direction. You're somehow confusing your not caring with there being something to care about.
At the end of the day, CCP spent a year and a half doing nothing with EVE. This ended up losing them customers GÇö lots of 'em. Not because those customers were GÇ£overly entitledGÇ¥ but because CCP effed up and failed to deliver a compelling product. There is nothing entitled about customers wanting a compelling product GÇö it's simply the thing you offer to get the customer's money.
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Memphis Baas
353
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:04:21 -
[62] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:That's pure guesstimation at the sub numbers. That said, I never said people don't leave EVE, more that the people complaining and screaming "I'LL QUIT I WILL!" tend to not actually quit. If they are passionate enough about the game that making the CQ and $1000 pants is enough for them to lose their freakin minds, then they are probably addicted to the game and unlikely to leave any time soon.
In addition, your 18% is the potential decrease in subs following CCP buckling to the public pressure of players shooting the monument. Who's to say that if they actually stood up for what they believed was the right direction for EVE that it wouldn't be in a better position now. They certainly spend too much time trying to appease the loudest whiners these days, that's for sure.
At least I'm quoting numbers and at least somewhat educated guesses. You're just sticking to and repeating your "I still believe" theory and not offering any support or proof of it. We'll have to agree to disagree; I'm convinced that you're incorrect and I have some supporting numbers, you're convinced that you're right and you have some unwavering faith. Let's move on.
Regarding the whole SKINs marketing, CCP, first you put out a universal product that everyone wants (universal skin system), and THEN you cash out big on the pretty colors: (elegant) pink + black, red + black, blue + black, yellow + black, white + black, silver + black, black + black, dark green + lime green, purple + yellow, sky-blue and silver, white + red, white + blue, etc.
You have 40,000 Goons just dying to get the yellow + black color combo for their fleets, you have white + red SOE exploration ships that prove the concept of white-and-red, you have the Quafe sky blue and silver skins that they even had that titan show up in the news wearing blue... the COLORS are where you can go "rare and valuable". You don't nit-pick the underlying "how to skin your ships" system.
I want some of these color combinations, but I want them for ALL my ships. I have the skills to fly a lot of ships; I want them to all be blue with a single skin, dammit. Or white+red. I want to pay my money, set the damn color like I set the user interface color, ONCE, and then go play the stupid game, mine, PVP, whatever. This game isn't about managing a shopping cart full of skins, FFS. Every time I log in, I have to load up the cart and figure out what ship goes with what skin, WTF is this?!?!
Also, **** "Guristas" "Sanshas" "Interbus" "Mordus" etc. colors. We never got into the lore THAT much, CCP, we don't care. Cut it out with the greys and the browns, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons Online. Give us red (255,0,0) and call it "red." |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8006
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:10:41 -
[63] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/ZR3AF34.jpg Mine!!
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
396
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:12:52 -
[64] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Also, **** "Guristas" "Sanshas" "Interbus" "Mordus" etc. colors. We never got into the lore THAT much, CCP, we don't care. Cut it out with the greys and the browns, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons Online. Give us red (255,0,0) and call it "red."
The SKIN's system will not be a true success until I can fly a PINK Panther. |
Draco Askiras
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:14:05 -
[65] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:
Regarding the whole SKINs marketing, CCP, first you put out a universal product that everyone wants (universal skin system), and THEN you cash out big on the pretty colors: (elegant) pink + black, red + black, blue + black, yellow + black, white + black, silver + black, black + black, dark green + lime green, purple + yellow, sky-blue and silver, white + red, white + blue, etc.
You have 40,000 Goons just dying to get the yellow + black color combo for their fleets, you have white + red SOE exploration ships that prove the concept of white-and-red, you have the Quafe sky blue and silver skins that they even had that titan show up in the news wearing blue... the COLORS are where you can go "rare and valuable". You don't nit-pick the underlying "how to skin your ships" system.
I want some of these color combinations, but I want them for ALL my ships. I have the skills to fly a lot of ships; I want them to all be blue with a single skin, dammit. Or white+red. I want to pay my money, set the damn color like I set the user interface color, ONCE, and then go play the stupid game, mine, PVP, whatever. This game isn't about managing a shopping cart full of skins, FFS. Every time I log in, I have to load up the cart and figure out what ship goes with what skin, WTF is this?!?!
Also, **** "Guristas" "Sanshas" "Interbus" "Mordus" etc. colors. We never got into the lore THAT much, CCP, we don't care. Cut it out with the greys and the browns, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons Online. Give us red (255,0,0) and call it "red."
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1688
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:16:58 -
[66] - Quote
A) Don't be too scared to call a feature a feature 
B) Falcon went into a little better detail in this comment on Reddit. There are other replies there worth reading
C) I love Eve lore. Lore is a remarkably stupid excuse to restrict anything about this system (same with the alliance logos)
D) I understand the need for caution because SKINs are uncharted territory for the server. But, the excitement over this bug shows that more skin options are wanted by a large number of players. Don't drag ass too much
E) Also, people seem a bit more jazzed about the idea of using a single skin over multiple ships. Your wallets would probably benefit from that being made a thing.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1084
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:17:17 -
[67] - Quote
I can appreciate CCP's game vision and that Quafe skins for example don't fit on an Amarr ship from a lore perspective. On the other hand, some of these 'mis-matched' skins look amazing on certain ships and it would really be a shame to not have them just because of lore. Because let's face it, no-body cares about lore, certainly not when it comes to SKINs.
A golden Stratios just looks badass, as does a black one. Please don't keep these awesome combinations from us just for lore!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5566
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:32:09 -
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Tippia wrote:No. They simply had no direction. That's your opinion, and I disagree. It's really that simple. You can keep rationalising your opinion is you want, but it's not something I will suddenly agree with.
Memphis Baas wrote:At least I'm quoting numbers and at least somewhat educated guesses. You're just sticking to and repeating your "I still believe" theory and not offering any support or proof of it. We'll have to agree to disagree; I'm convinced that you're incorrect and I have some supporting numbers, you're convinced that you're right and you have some unwavering faith. Let's move on. Actually what I have is experience. I've been here a while and seen countless players doing the "I'm gonna quit, I SWEAR" and yet still being there years later. What you've got may e numbers, but it's primarily just guesswork, there's simply not enough data to be sure of even being in the right area. That said, I don;t disagree that the population has gone down. The way I see it is CCP caved to the loudest players and the population still went down, that hardly tells me that was the right choice to make.
Memphis Baas wrote:I want some of these color combinations, but I want them for ALL my ships. I have the skills to fly a lot of ships; I want them to all be blue with a single skin, dammit. Or white+red. I want to pay my money, set the damn color like I set the user interface color, ONCE, and then go play the stupid game, mine, PVP, whatever. This game isn't about managing a shopping cart full of skins, FFS. Every time I log in, I have to load up the cart and figure out what ship goes with what skin, WTF is this?!?! I believe the idea is to make money, which isn't likely to happen if you only need to buy a couple of skins an all your ships are sorted for eternity.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:35:17 -
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Lucas and Tippia up in a tree
Getting a thread lock in 1...2...3
Missed you Tipps.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8006
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:51:43 -
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X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
812
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Posted - 2015.05.01 22:04:41 -
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http://i.imgur.com/vNRVIlP.png
Quafe stratios best stratios.
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
400
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:09:03 -
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Mane Frehm wrote:CCPs goal as a company is to maximize value for their owners/shareholders.
Citation needed
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
9
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:13:43 -
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Ravcharas wrote:Mane Frehm wrote:CCPs goal as a company is to maximize value for their owners/shareholders. Citation needed
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1084
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:16:52 -
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See? How f*cking badass is that?!
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
9
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:23:31 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:See? How f*cking badass is that?!
That is pretty sweet |
Memphis Baas
354
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:31:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Actually what I have is experience. I've been here a while and seen countless players doing the "I'm gonna quit, I SWEAR" and yet still being there years later. Again, agree to disagree. I too have a 2003 character WITH the Employment History bug where the list is blank, and have participated in the end-of-beta Armageddon FFA event. I have quit this game, for years, stopped subscription, and typically reactivate if the set of features they're announcing sounds good. What they announced last year in November sounded good; revamped stations, mooring, the theory they had for FozzieSov before Fozzie actually gave his details, the idea of a ship painting and logo system.
Lucas Kell wrote:I believe the idea is to make money, which isn't likely to happen if you only need to buy a couple of skins an all your ships are sorted for eternity. Yes the idea is to make money, but you have to have a desirable appealing product first. Microsoft made money with the first couple Windows versions, but don't tell me that the idiocy they pulled with Vista and Win8.0 attracted customers. Their crappy Win8 doesn't appeal to corporate users who just want a workstation so they can focus on their MS Office, AutoCAD, Maya, or what have you, and everyone is still buying Windows 7 because 8 sucks and 10 possibly will suck.
We can agree to disagree on this topic too, shrug. You say the aim is to make money, and I say they are NOT making (SKIN / Aurum) money from me with the current system. I may well be in the minority, and that's fine, I play EVE to pewpew and that'll work just fine with the default ships. It works just fine with the default avatar clothes, too.
I will buy universal skins, at PLEX prices, if the colors are nice, per character. I may like blue this month, white-red next month, fuchsia the month after that, it depends on how the colors look, pretty sure I will have more than one color. All they have to do is introduce new colors periodically. I had 41 cartel outfits in SWTOR, about 12 speeders, only 5 pet droids and ships; they kept introducing good-looking combos, and I kept making new alts. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
265
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:42:50 -
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If you could pass along a message to whoever thought this "bug" up, please do.
Ahem:
"You are brilliant, and your plan is amazing. Not only have people been more hyped for skins, the markets, both isk and the NES store, are I'm sure cashing in crazily for this. Keep up the good work :) "
Also, I kinda broke the Algos http://imgur.com/trSlHAx
sorry I'll pay for it just send me the bill. |
Memphis Baas
354
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:55:21 -
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Even more brilliant idea:
CCP releases a bunch of images of new colors they're going to release. We pre-pay PLEX for the guarantee that WHEN CCP releases the colors, we'll get a skin of that color. Obviously it's hard work to come up with new colors, and even harder work to ensure they pass QA and "fit within the gritty theme of the EVE universe" - it'll take months or even years to make sure the browns and greys are just the perfect shade before they can be released.
But in any case, they can release their plans now and we'll prepay become "backers" and at the same time help fund the development process. "Team Space Matters" Industries, EVE Citizen backer program. |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection
Phoebe Freeport Republic
783
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:51:56 -
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CCP,
Your Lore argument doesnt hold water with me. For the following reasons (TM).
We can assume that SCOPE Videos are Cannon.
There fore using this Video we establish that there is the capability to make a ship look like another. We also established that his technology can be reversed engineered. In fact that's what was happening when a raid occurred and the UNFINISHED TECH was stolen. Tech that was not completed and not tested. Isnt it possible that this unfinished unsecured tech could be minipluated by some smart capselers to change a paint color on their ship? Especially since we now can project our MINDS INTO COMPUTER SYSTEMS?
Or is it more likely that this tech was able to withstand the combined might of the Space Pirate Millionaire Rambos?
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
265
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:20:04 -
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Here's an idea:
Make the non-lore skins bought on the NES store, and make the lore skins (like Sukuuvestaa, Kalaakiota, Sebiestor ect), bought through the LP stores of the factions they belong to, but instead of charging isk, you can charge LP and AUR.
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Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:31:43 -
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Restricting shipskins because they do not fit with the lore..... And why do the Chinese have all kinds of cool skins including a golden scorpion? That also doesn't fit with the lore, right? CCP listen to the player base and make all skins available for every ship. That is what WE want!
Read your forums, read reddit. We want all skins for all ships! |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1691
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:35:45 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:CCP, Your Lore argument doesnt hold water with me. For the following reasons (TM). We can assume that SCOPE Videos are Cannon. There fore using this Video we establish that there is the capability to make a ship look like another. We also established that his technology can be reversed engineered. In fact that's what was happening when a raid occurred and the UNFINISHED TECH was stolen. Tech that was not completed and not tested. Isnt it possible that this unfinished unsecured tech could be minipluated by some smart capselers to change a paint color on their ship? Especially since we now can project our MINDS INTO COMPUTER SYSTEMS? Or is it more likely that this tech was able to withstand the combined might of the Space Pirate Millionaire Rambos?
Hell, scripts for things like tracking disruptors and sensor boosters are described as being created by a hacking collective, and rigs are essentially "hacking" a ship so that it performs better in some way. Manipulations of ship tech are well established, and it would stand to reason that creatures as self-obsessed as capsuleers would desperately want to customize them as much as possible.
(oddly enough, most of us DO want to customize them as much as possible....)
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Wendrika Hydreiga
332
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:38:41 -
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I've reached my long standing goal in EVE!
Guristas Edition Venture, Guristas Edition Astero, Guristas Edition Heron. Guristas Edition Everything.
I've basically won EVE! Going to take the pretiest screenshots humanly possible and I will cherish them forever!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23705
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:56:23 -
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The BS's with the airbrushing Serenity are amazing, would purchase for a reasonable sum. Not so sure about the Drake, it looks like a USB stick in black and gold.
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Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2015.05.02 02:28:10 -
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I understand from a buisness standpoint, CCP may have wanted to test the waters with single ship skins and see how it went before giving the greenlight for multiple ships, like i get it.....
But that does not mean that now that we've all seen what the system can really do, we won't expect more.
30$ for a single ship skin? is too much......
Do the right thing here CCP and enable cross faction colors etc. You cant have a literal quafe billboard flying around in the form of a nyx, and then claim that your universe is too dark etc. to allow cross race skins. We can fly other races ships, use thier guns, but cant copy a paintjob?
Now would also probably be a good time to standardize prices, one color set shouldnt cost more than another etc.
You may be able to get away with higher priced "premium" "This week only and never again" skins.... that might work,
I had more fun tonight messing around with all the variations, and the possibilitys than i have for a very long time, and im sure im not alone in that, reddit is practically on fire with all the attention and fun people are having with it.
I would be ok with single ship skins, but not at the current prices, its simply too much, i urge CCP to listen to the playerbase here, in the short time this "bug" has been known its generated a ton of buzz, its up to you guys now to decide where to go with the ball, plz dont drop the ball, trip on the ball and smash your faces into the ground.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2015.05.02 02:50:00 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Here's an idea:
Make the non-lore skins bought on the NES store, and make the lore skins (like Sukuuvestaa, Kalaakiota, Sebiestor ect), bought through the LP stores of the factions they belong to, but instead of charging isk, you can charge LP and AUR.
I've got a better ideal
NES Store for Perm Skins, like it is now.
Standings Reward for Perm Skins.. Got a 5.0 with Quafe? here, Here, select a Cruiser and have a perma skin for it. One time only (so you can't just lower standing then gain it back for a new one).
LP Store for TEMP Skins. 30, 90, 365 day skins. Cost LP+ISK. Pricepoints for Frigs, Dessies, Cruisers, BC's, BS's Cap's, Supers. Like with the Standings ones, you select the ship, give them the LP and ISK, you get your SKIN.
30/90/365 skins can also be mission rewards, drops, etc.
In general, I think 30 day skins as drops are a bad idea alone. But 90 and 365 days are far more reasonable. Plus having perma ones available in the NES store gives everyone options. Wanna drop a tone of money/isk upfront, here you go, buy your Perma skin. Wanna be more frugle, or like me, change ships every few months, sure here's a 90 day skin, 365..
This would introduce a new ISK Sink. Eve needs ISK Sinks. It's the only way to stop inflation. Personally I'd like an ISK for Aurum, but I doubt CCP would go for that.
Lower the bar for people to be able to skin their ships.
Lower the investment for people who change ships, or are still training and maybe won't be flying a Cruiser in 6 months but be up to a Battleship..
Just some thoughts.
Also think CCP outta give out Aurum to everyone again, at least enough for a Cruiser skin, or like Christmas Events of past, let everyone choice a skin from a selection.. That way everyone gets a chance to have a skin rather than just those of us with ISK or $$$. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2368
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Posted - 2015.05.02 02:55:49 -
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I'll be honest here. I'm very much against the idea of full on any-ship-with-any-skin idea. I don't mind customization. I'm not against an array of skins for a single ship, faction, or race. But going the end of allowing completely nonsensical things like a guristas revelation? That's too much for me.
Faction and corporation colors have always had a very big impact on the aesthetic and feel of the game as a whole. Heck, the addition of differing station color patterns was great addition to immersion (with a few exceptions in my opinion). If complete freedom is allowed in addition of skins to any faction ship, they lose a great amount of uniqueness. Not just the ship itself, but the color or patterns it's borrowing from too. It has a very counterintuitive effect when, for instance, an amarrian ship is completely decked out in quafe colors. It also takes away from the feel of quafe as a corporation of Gallentian origin.
And for non-faction related colors, like full gold or white, it definitely takes away any uniqueness from the skin itself. It steals from the uniqueness of Amarrian ships and their gold plating or the SOR and their white scheme (medical/rescue/humanitarian theme?).
Too much blending of different unique colors and faction patterns makes them less important. It's likely that after enough time, the glory of full customization will fade as it sets in that no ship has any unique features over any other. Why "trust in the rust" when you can fly with a shiny chrome coating?
All that being said, I'll say it again, I'm not against having some freedom of choice in what colors you fly with and what looks best (in the eye of the beholder) on any given ship. But I would rather we approach this with a sense of restraint. I don't think there is any issue with any given ship having something unique like a design or corporate/faction logo on the hull, to show off who your allegiance lies with. Or having pinstripes or flames (oh dear) to help make your interceptor go a little faster.
But I stand against the complete obliteration of having unique color schemes and designs, that destroy the uniqueness of said schemes or the ship itself.
I just want to make sure that as we head into a more customized ship design, we don't completely disregard the aesthetic of the rest of the game either.
There's my two cents. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2015.05.02 03:23:32 -
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Honestly allowing skins to be applied by race and ship size seems the best solution for the things CCP and the lore buffs want as well as people who don't want to go bankrupt skinning the 50 different hulls they fly. The race restriction provides lore related limits, but still gives a great deal of freedom in skinning ships as well. Pirate ships could potentially use the skins from either race in their class.
The only question that comes up is how to handle unique skins since they exist on a per ship basis that overlap with some of the classes in which skins are currently offered. Even if you exclude them from the global skins they become comparatively worth a lot less from a functional standpoint. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1362
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Posted - 2015.05.02 03:36:52 -
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Kallen Kozukie wrote:But that does not mean that now that we've all seen what the system can really do, we won't expect more.
What our graphics engine can do in terms of mixing and matching factions and ships is no secret. I'll refer you to this dev blog from last year. I'm pretty sure I see a Quafe Impairor in that picture at the bottom.
I'll quote myself from the dev blog thread about the technical reason that opening this up in the client as it stands today is potentially problematic:
CCP Darwin wrote:The main reason that isn't the case [arbitrary SKINS on ships] so far is that we have only released SKIN licenses that correspond to existing faction/ship combinations that have been validated by our QA folks.
Internally, the Space Object Factory engine can build a renderable ship with any combination of factions/materials and ship type. However, because certain combinations may not match up properly (one example is if a faction or material combination assumes the underlying ship has two material types and the actual ship in question has three) it's possible to get a ship out the other end that looks like a mistake has been made, or has undesirable combinations of original and skinned materials.
Additionally, because some factions don't match some hulls, it's possible that combining those ships and hulls will result in tons of errors being dumped into your client logs, possibly repeatedly, and that can be a performance or disk space problem. Yeah, our graphics software engineers have heroically built a system that always produces SOMETHING that can be rendered, but that something may have technical or art problems that wouldn't pass QA, lore issues aside.
Edit: When the request came in for the Quafe Tristan for Fanfest, for example, we had the ship up on my screen in that configuration in a matter of minutes. However, it required QA and art attention because it was missing a Quafe decal in one location and had the wrong decal in another. Just because one can force something through the graphics engine and make pixels doesn't mean it's ready to go as a product. :)
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:00:39 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Kallen Kozukie wrote:But that does not mean that now that we've all seen what the system can really do, we won't expect more. What our graphics engine can do in terms of mixing and matching factions and ships is no secret. I'll refer you to this dev blog from last year. I'm pretty sure I see a Quafe Impairor in that picture at the bottom. I'll quote myself from the dev blog thread about the technical reason that opening this up in the client as it stands today is potentially problematic: CCP Darwin wrote:The main reason that isn't the case [arbitrary SKINS on ships] so far is that we have only released SKIN licenses that correspond to existing faction/ship combinations that have been validated by our QA folks.
Internally, the Space Object Factory engine can build a renderable ship with any combination of factions/materials and ship type. However, because certain combinations may not match up properly (one example is if a faction or material combination assumes the underlying ship has two material types and the actual ship in question has three) it's possible to get a ship out the other end that looks like a mistake has been made, or has undesirable combinations of original and skinned materials. Additionally, because some factions don't match some hulls, it's possible that combining those ships and hulls will result in tons of errors being dumped into your client logs, possibly repeatedly, and that can be a performance or disk space problem. Yeah, our graphics software engineers have heroically built a system that always produces SOMETHING that can be rendered, but that something may have technical or art problems that wouldn't pass QA, lore issues aside. Edit: When the request came in for the Quafe Tristan for Fanfest, for example, we had the ship up on my screen in that configuration in a matter of minutes. However, it required QA and art attention because it was missing a Quafe decal in one location and had the wrong decal in another. Just because one can force something through the graphics engine and make pixels doesn't mean it's ready to go as a product. :)
Can i please keep my gold Astero?
http://i.imgur.com/8Vqecqk.jpg
Tell me that's not glorious.
If you let me keep it, ill dock it and never use it. Just for spinning ships in station. Please :D
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1363
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:36:37 -
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I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.
Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma
Stain Confederation
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:41:03 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context. The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection. Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
pls make gold skins. Will gibe u moneys <3 |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:45:05 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context. The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection. Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1364
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:48:34 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both.
The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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LT Alter
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
156
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:27:09 -
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I think it's pertinent to thank CCP Darwin and CCP Falcon for some timely and informative responses. I'm glad to hear that having a golden erebus isn't being written off entirely by CCP, and that there is at least a chance I'll get my golden erebus, that I can fly ereday, and erebody wanna take my bridge. (It's a golden bus! Truly glorius...) |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:40:25 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
I have to say, I don't agree.
What makes Eve Spectacular is what we the players, and on some occasions with Live Events, CCP to, are able to do. How our ship looks doing it is not what keeps people coming back. That's why I think *most* skin combo's should be made available when technically possible (I know there are errors for what we have now, I accept that, gonna take a little work do QA on every skin for every hull..)
Navy Skins, makes sense that the Empires don't give those out. But Corp Skins, no reason they wouldn't sell the license to anyone who wants it, as such no reason not to find a way to make them available. Pirate Factions? Should be pricey, but lets face it, not like they can fight a copyright claim with Concord.. If I wanna paint my Domi to look like a Blood Raider, then why not?
The fixed looks, that's for the NPC Lore. But us capsulers are individuals, We don't represent any specific gov't, we are like independent contractors, and there's no reason why we should't be able to have a lot of leeway with our ships. I can go out right now, buy a VW Golf, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang... I don't see the lore excuse being good enough for why I can't do that in space. If I can dress my Spaceship Barbie virtually anyway I want, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to do the same thing to my ships. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25112
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:57:26 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tippia wrote:No. They simply had no direction. That's your opinion, and I disagree. It's really that simple. You can keep rationalising your opinion is you want, but it's not something I will suddenly agree with.
No, it's not my opinion. It's the opinion of the devs involved, as told through numerous AARs and official accounts that have come out in the wake of the ambulation branch being put on hold.
Again, if you want to disagree with the people who actually needed that direction to do their job and who, pretty much universally, say that it didn't exist, then that's fine, but you need a more sane and sensible boogeyman in your narrative than the players because they had nothing to do with it. You can stomp your feet all you like over how you didn't stomp your feet, and how it was somehow the players' fault that CCP ****** up, but you keep forgetting that one of the core issues was that CCP was flying alone, blind (and again, without direction) at the time GÇö player input was not a factor for the simple reason that there was no player input. The Incarna d+¬b+ácle is what put player input on the agenda, and player input created one of the most wildly successful expansions this game has ever seen.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
879
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Sweet no como bjesus
Fleet phoon
Dominix Navy
Meh Vargur
Clean Orca
Kronos platinum edition
Bit of mix there.
Are these permanent now?
Would like to see player customization rather than pre made skins.
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Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 08:49:25 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game. EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
I have to say, I don't agree. What makes Eve Spectacular is what we the players, and on some occasions with Live Events, CCP to, are able to do. How our ship looks doing it is not what keeps people coming back. That's why I think *most* skin combo's should be made available when technically possible (I know there are errors for what we have now, I accept that, gonna take a little work do QA on every skin for every hull..) Navy Skins, makes sense that the Empires don't give those out. But Corp Skins, no reason they wouldn't sell the license to anyone who wants it, as such no reason not to find a way to make them available. Pirate Factions? Should be pricey, but lets face it, not like they can fight a copyright claim with Concord.. If I wanna paint my Domi to look like a Blood Raider, then why not? The fixed looks, that's for the NPC Lore. But us capsulers are individuals, We don't represent any specific gov't, we are like independent contractors, and there's no reason why we should't be able to have a lot of leeway with our ships. I can go out right now, buy a VW Golf, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang... I don't see the lore excuse being good enough for why I can't do that in space. If I can dress my Spaceship Barbie virtually anyway I want, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to do the same thing to my ships.
Exactly. We are no npc's. We are capsuleers in a sandbox where we create our own lore. Provi block likes to fly allot of gold or goons wanna fly yellow ships. Then why not give them the ability to do that. This bug [miracle] is the best thing that happened to eve for a long time. And you wanna take that away from us? I think you'll be disappointing almost every capsuleer in eve. Don't let this happen. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2099
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Posted - 2015.05.02 08:53:17 -
[100] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both. The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)
At the least it would be nice to purchase skins by corporation rather than for each individual hull.
So rather than a Nugh Rokh skin you simply get the Nugh license that can then be applied to all T1 Caldari ships.
T2 ships may require more individual licenses as they are already specialised to a single corporation, so getting the rights to change their colour would be understandably more difficult. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9587
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:00:34 -
[101] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22825
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:05:43 -
[102] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ...
... see how it works and make money from it ...
... and then getting the next set ready.
They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ...
... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ...
... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9587
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:11:02 -
[103] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset? Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ... ... see how it works and make money from it ... ... and then getting the next set ready. They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ... ... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ... ... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
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Red Federation
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22828
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:20:24 -
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Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!
Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.
I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.
It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.
I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.
Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.
Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.
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Kaydance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:23:34 -
[105] - Quote
Quote:
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
^
CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9588
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Posted - 2015.05.02 09:42:20 -
[106] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!
Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.
I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.
It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.
I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.
Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.
Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.
what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:35:56 -
[107] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. read that again, now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?
Because it is like this.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22897
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:39:37 -
[108] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day ..........................
........ and even more copies of copies of copies.
From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^
Your idea is great ...
... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9589
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Posted - 2015.05.02 10:42:18 -
[109] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day .......................... ........ and even more copies of copies of copies. From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^ Your idea is great ... ... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD
so put a non-trivial pay wall there,
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Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
306
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Kaydance wrote:Quote:
no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.
develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .
^ CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales.
How aboutthere ould be a process similar to Alliance Logo creation?
Players or allinces submit some material or just a combination of existing styles, CCP approves SKINs lorewise and does the testing and then the thing becomes buyable for Aurum.
Option: exclusively purchaseable by the designer who has to buy a minimum of X units to start the process.
Then you could have unique looks for certain ships or certain fleets only for your alliance (or yourself if you are INCREDIBLY rich).
Or you could become a spaceship designer and have a monopoly on your designs. |
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
450
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:07:24 -
[111] - Quote
Let us have it CCP please
You can still add and item in the Store to allow us to do it some kind of pirate or drifter kit
Need my police vexor :)
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
.... Open that damn door !!
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
170
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:17:44 -
[112] - Quote
James' strawberries! Is it a Police Pursuit Catalyst?!
Oh, yes, it is!
Just look at it! It even has the flashing lights! |
Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
22907
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:38:01 -
[113] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day .......................... ........ and even more copies of copies of copies. From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^ Your idea is great ... ... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD so put a non-trivial pay wall there,
Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD
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Tara'Quoya Rax
Atlantis Asteria
6
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:02:56 -
[114] - Quote
Now that the cat is out of the bag as we can all see how very feasible it is to have any skin on any ship, limiting the skins to a small set of combinations at ridiculous prices is just appalling CCP.
I won't be buying any skin ever until generic skins come out. |
Memphis Baas
357
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:03:58 -
[115] - Quote
Thanks for your comments, CCP Darwin. I guess we'll have to apply restraint when considering what SKINs we want for our ships. Hopefully CCP realizes that they're telling the customer not to want to buy so much.
You are lucky that you don't allow mods to this game, because we would have been all over this ****** implementation of a great feature, corrected via mods in less that ... how long did it take them to find this bug? Actually, as a side note, if this game allowed mods, that would have been a constraint on CCP to release skins the right way, or we'd just mod-fix them. As it is, your track record is looking at EFT for 10 years before thinking to put that functionality in the game's fitting screen.
Anyway, Constraint Mode is on for me; I'm going to consider every skin that's made available based on cost, and what I actually get from that money in terms of gameplay. The per-ship system lets me spin ships with pretty colors, but doesn't allow me or anyone to build an in-game color reputation (and this game is about building a reputation). I'm going to ignore all these posted screenshots, because they simply build disappointment at what we can't have.
So, besides skins, which I'm ignoring now, what else is CCP working on? FozzieSov, maybe station revamp in the future. Hmm. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
267
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:38:11 -
[116] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:
The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.
I am great with this as long as
a) The theme of "player made universe" remains the underlining theme of the ship customization system.
b) "rare to own" is not defined by either luckiest, or one with the most real life money to throw at the game.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:46:21 -
[117] - Quote
For those who are not so contrained: dustorama. Yeah, put those lasers to good use baby. 
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
1729
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:01:16 -
[118] - Quote
The lore argument about we capsuleers (its different for NPC armies) being restricted in terms of what color we can put on our ships is BS and you know it.
As a space god, I DEMAND to be able to paint all my ships in black.
As a sandbox MMO player, I ask that there is a new career that lets player create ship designs and sell them to other players. This is a player driven univers god dammit, not a gothic sadness simulator.
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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
246
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:03:41 -
[119] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
These skins look amazing.
http://www.netsky.org/eve/PhantasmPolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/NightmarePolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/EosSarum.png
I hope that ccp will provide us with 2 basic color scheme skins that can be applied to any ship, not just t-1 variants.
This would be super awesome.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8010
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:14:31 -
[120] - Quote
And it would upgrade tournament visuals, imagine red and blue teams on the screen, anybody also comentators on twitch knows who is who just by looking at ship.
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
301
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Posted - 2015.05.02 16:57:28 -
[121] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:
Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD
I love how your face is basically the Police Comet SKIN :D
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
267
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:03:54 -
[122] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:And it would upgrade tournament visuals, imagine red and blue teams on the screen, anybody also comentators on twitch knows who is who just by looking at ship.
This is the best idea to come out of this discussion.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2818
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:37:36 -
[123] - Quote
I would love to see this as a permanent feature with some slight modifications.
It should only apply to each hull size category not any hull you want. Second each skin should cost at least $20
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
406
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:38:27 -
[124] - Quote
I'd also like to add something else to my point from lastnight when I replied to CCP Darwin.
How is painting a ship with different skins, any more "Lore" breaking than my Gal Character using Caldari Navy ships? With Minmatar Navy Modules? To fight for the Sansha against the Amarr? It isn't.
For the people that need to live by the Lore, the Roll-Players and such, they can just not use the skins.. Done.. For those like me, who see the Lore as much more open, or others who just don't care, it gives us so many more options.
Lore should not be an excuse to limit the players without a damn good reason. There are good reasons why we can't use Jove ships and weapons. There's no good reason you can give why we can't dock at Jita 4-4, give some people there some isk, and have them put a crew together to paint our ships :p Now piratical reasons for why we can't just do Custom skins, I get that. But why I can't give my Paladin a Quafe paintjob, or paint my Vindicator Khanid.. restrictions like this are artificial, and I don't just mean the "system" can handle it, but I also mean it has no more impact on the game than the fact that anyone from any empire can fly any empires Navy ships, or use their Navy modules, or fight for their Faction Warfare, etc..
The response to this bug has been overwhelmingly positive. Everyone loves the ability to use their skins on anything they want. while some skins clearly need to go through QA for some issues, this has no effect on gameplay. Find a way to let us keep it. |
Mario Putzo
1392
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:55:42 -
[125] - Quote
Raise the price of skins a bit, and let them apply to any ship in the game. Remove skin changing in space, and make it a station service, where you spend some ISK to get the paint. If CCP is truly opposed to folks "cross skining" their ships, make it so using cross faction skins costs more isk to "paint" on the ship.
Bingo Bango, a new ISK sink, everyone is happy with universal skins, CCP still makes bank, and the only limitation is how often CCP releases new skins to its store.
This "bug" is by far one of the most hyped features CCP has released in a long time "fixing" it would be a huge mistake I think.
The coolest thing of all this though, shows CCP is entirely capable of giving us corp designed ship skins, that can in fact apply to any type of ship that corp fields. |
Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
603
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Posted - 2015.05.02 17:58:05 -
[126] - Quote
My head hurts from trying to understand CCP. When they had a horrible idea that was universally hated by EvE players(gold ammo and $1000 jeans) they tried to ram it down our throats and then they had to fire 20% of their work force because a lot of us quit.......now there is something we want and CCP is like uhhhhhhh you can't have it because reasons!
Do you folks want money or not, you're worse than a girlfriend.
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
301
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:02:33 -
[127] - Quote
I think I found a new favorite, the Quafe Incursus: http://i.imgur.com/LEje2EA.jpg
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
880
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:20:11 -
[128] - Quote
Faction npc can differentiate by markers rather than skin..everybody happy. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8011
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:24:50 -
[129] - Quote
You should make branding decisions in CCP.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
23042
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:43:12 -
[130] - Quote
Charlie Firpol wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD
I love how your face is basically the Police Comet SKIN :D
Why thank you, mister Motorcyclist. :)
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chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
33
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:47:42 -
[131] - Quote
It will be interesting to see public reaction when CCP "fixes" this bug and people loose the ability to apply skins to what ever ship they want.
Shooting monument will be child's play in comparison to outrage we will have on our hands.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8453
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:47:52 -
[132] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:
Bingo Bango, a new ISK sink, everyone is happy with universal skins,
Mario, you've been around long enough to know that's not true.
As has been shown literally hundreds of times over the last decade, no matter how much CCP try to cater to the vocal minority, it's never good enough. So while your idea (and others in this thread) may seem like a good one, it won't be good enough for most here.
Hell. CCP could give all the skins away and there would be a threadnaught from the whiners crying that there should be free ships to put them on.
You know, I feel for these guys. We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors.
At what point should CCP just throw up their hands and say, "**** it. These idiots will never be happy so why should we even try?"
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Valterra Craven
536
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:58:25 -
[133] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:
The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game.
No, there is no challenge. This is not some complicated problem. You guys need to take a step back and think about things as a whole and stop trying to shoehorn what you guys want in vs what players are actually asking for.
So here's at the minimum how this should have played out. Each race has several color schemes that they have assigned to them based on the corps and lore. aka Gallente have greens/blues/ etc. You convert the hulls to have "colorized" parts aka certain sections of the ship like you have now in the skins that will take the predetermined color. This means that once every ship is done you don't have to re-invent the wheel (aka test every skin you do now) so thoroughly.
The down side to this is that you can't money grub on players for "things" that should essentially be free/covered in the sub price. You didn't charge us for all the model upgrades. You didn't charge us when you upgraded the lighting, and you don't charge us for any other "art" in the game that is developed.
The problem with EVE's payment model and others is that we pay a sub already. Most other games that have micro transactions have free to play options or their transactions are actually ya know, "micro". The sub we are ALL paying (regardless of the means) should more than cover the time it took to release the current SKIN system (or ya know actually give players what they asked for in CUSTOMIZABLE SHIPS). But you guys just can't admit that you are wrong on this thing. You want everything to be about lore, and yet here we have a RL life store stuck smack dab in the middle of the client?!
CCP Darwin wrote:
EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.
Why? Not everything has to be a terrible grind like skills or standings. Wanting to change the drab color scheme on a single ship shouldn't in anyway but special or rare. You guys have spent the last few years simplifying the system (particularly skills and are even talking about removing attributes altogether) and some how you can't realize that the more you make the system less accessible to people that the less people are going to be interested in it?!
CCP Darwin wrote:
The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.
Then why aren't you know actually doing that? Its not like we are getting faction/corp skins from the actual corps that would be selling them IN GAME! What you've done is created an income stream solely separated from the game itself and now you want to make excuses because players have actually discovered what they wanted in the first place is already doable now FROM A BUG.
CCP Darwin wrote:
Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
Then what you should have done is put them in the LP stores in the first place. Not money grubbed. That cat is already out of the bag. The choices now are to continue with your current plan, customers be damned, or adapt, admit your mistake and show the world that you guys can do things for the benefit of your customers. |
Valterra Craven
536
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:05:20 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:[quote=Mario Putzo] We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors. Mr Epeen
I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for.
What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:11:29 -
[135] - Quote
I'm in love. |
chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
33
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:24:19 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors. Mr Epeen I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for. What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does.
We got an iBurger
Its not quite unlike a hamburger and costs 3 times more.
But you feel special as F when you buy it. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8011
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:45:09 -
[137] - Quote
chelly Dian wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors. Mr Epeen I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for. What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does. We got an iBurger Its not quite unlike a hamburger and costs 3 times more. But you feel special as F when you buy it.
Why not like those kids in special schools. They are happy all the time. They also don't often have too much understanding of the value of things either. They would make excellent customer base for CCP microtransactions it seems.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6202
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:51:09 -
[138] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both. The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)
While I completely acknowledge the technical and lore reasons for not implementing this officially at this point, once the technical vetting is done please pass along this consideration to those concerned with preserving the look and lore of EVE.
Currently pilots of any race can fly missions for these corporations/groups while being from any racial background, and flying any ship they like, in missions representing these organizations as an official agent.
I don't feel that it would violate lore in any way to contract missions from of these organizations and obtain a license to fly their colors.
In essence, you could base the NES store sales (and other future outlets for SKINs) around license purchases for the right to represent a particular organization. For example, I would be purchasing a license (say for the equivalent of a PLEX) to officially represent Sarum or Kador, or anyone else for that matter. I then have the right to put their colors on any ship I care to fly.
If you wish to tie this into lore more closely, in most cases require a certain amount of standings be earned with that entity to be able to purchase the license. Perhaps even to the point where the amount of standings you have would determine what class of ships you can apply the SKIN to. Low positive standings allow use of these colors on frigates, the highest levels of standings would allow them on cap ships.
And if you don't have any standings, or negative standings, you either can't activate the license or it costs you double the amount to purchase and use them (black market purchases basically).
Tech limitations I can see.... the fact that it changes CCP's plans for marketing them I can see... but lore would certainly allow for it if handled in this (or a similar) fashion.
Frankly, it would be a very good idea from a business point of view to consider how many more skins (and the potential profit to be made) if this wildly popular ability can be incorporated in this or a similar fashion.
As always CCP Darwin, thank you for communicating with us on this issue so frankly... and consider this post to be meant in the most constructive way possible.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1307
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:55:04 -
[139] - Quote
Who would have thought we would be thanking the POS code for this "feature".
Yaay!!!!
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dhunpael
47
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Posted - 2015.05.02 20:14:52 -
[140] - Quote
Since my thread was closed=>
When are we getting these?
They exist in the database, are linkable but just not enabled for us.
chinese skins |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2015.05.02 20:21:44 -
[141] - Quote
dhunpael wrote:Since my thread was closed=> When are we getting these? They exist in the database, are linkable but just not enabled for us. chinese skins
Given that they were Prizes over there, I wouldn't expect to see them till at the earliest the next AT, maybe NEO, maybe never and CCP will leave them exclusive to the Chinese Server. |
Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.02 20:33:03 -
[142] - Quote
chelly Dian wrote:It will be interesting to see public reaction when CCP "fixes" this bug and people loose the ability to apply skins to what ever ship they want.
Shooting monument will be child's play in comparison to outrage we will have on our hands.
You cant give us a shiny toy and then take it away on Christmas morning, because it was for other kid and our name on box was there by mistake.
It will be Baltimore 2.0 in Jita. |
NightmareX
Lakagigar
Absolute Defiance
588
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Posted - 2015.05.02 20:44:18 -
[143] - Quote
Here is my Police Kronos .
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/PoliceKronos.png
Yes, it looks awesome.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8011
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Posted - 2015.05.02 20:48:35 -
[144] - Quote
Maybe CCP should stop treating chinese people differently, limiting prizes to only one server, if anything the event or lottery should be on both servers, Don't llimit the prizes for one server. What Chinese have that we don't have? PLEX for 4B ISK? I don't know if that makes you feel sorry for them and you tried to compensate something, because that would explain this special treating and CCP Rise reaction at Fanfest.
Those Yachts, It was not really fair CCP. You make ship and leave it to only a few gamers to decide which bunch of not related gamers would get it. I don't even knew people who were sitting there, at this tournament. If I never meet them in game once, how I was involved? By sitting on my hands while they were shooting each other?
Give equal.
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Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
96
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:04:31 -
[145] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:
At what point should CCP just throw up their hands and say, "**** it. These idiots will never be happy so why should we even try?"
More excellent business advice, the customer is an idiot that we shouldn't try to please. Why you people aren't successful business moguls is beyond me. |
NightmareX
Lakagigar
Absolute Defiance
588
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:18:08 -
[146] - Quote
Ohhh sexy. A Blood Raider Megathon: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7309753/Bilder/EVE%20Online/BloodRaiderMegathron.png
Yes, it's my Megathron to. To bad, the Blood Raider skin is only for 30 days.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:22:22 -
[147] - Quote
Fabulous Visage wrote:chelly Dian wrote:It will be interesting to see public reaction when CCP "fixes" this bug and people loose the ability to apply skins to what ever ship they want.
Shooting monument will be child's play in comparison to outrage we will have on our hands.
You cant give us a shiny toy and then take it away on Christmas morning, because it was for other kid and our name on box was there by mistake. It will be Baltimore 2.0 in Jita. The Scope will be there filming it and bam!, we create lore again. Lore by us, Capsuleers. And the Chinese can have their golden ravens, mega's, moas, etc etc. And they do not fit in the lore. And yet they have them. http://imgur.com/a/W84Vs#wo2h7AW
http://i.imgur.com/u8akZaz.jpg Would pay 30$ for that armageddon skin, it looks epic, please release it in the west
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Velarra
362
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:23:32 -
[148] - Quote
Wow.
Undocumented feature, in keeping with the less is more lore paradigm of recent patches.
Response:
Sorry. We don't actually want you to have fun. In fact, it's a bug. We will be turning it off next week.
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Impressive. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
55
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:28:09 -
[149] - Quote
The entire mechanic of SKINS is already at odds with the fundamental nature of eve; they are tied to a single character, cannot be traded, and cannot be destroyed. The reason for this is simply so that CCP can break into the pandas online demographic and gain an extra revenue stream at the expense of the eve universe.
Taking the next step and disregarding the lore and credibility of the eve universe by proliferating these skins randomly onto any and every ship will be a step too far.
Be happy with the skins you have, you have got what you wanted and CCP can increase their revenue, with at the moment only a minimal negative impact onto the wider game. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
23065
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:42:15 -
[150] - Quote
There is no "expense of the eve universe" though.
Also... lore is great and all but do you believe every single excuse someone comes up with?
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Solecist Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
23065
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:43:34 -
[151] - Quote
Velarra wrote:Wow.
Undocumented feature, in keeping with the less is more lore paradigm of recent patches.
Response:
Sorry. We don't actually want you to have fun. In fact, it's a bug. We will be turning it off next week.
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????
Impressive.
You know what this whole thing might as well be?
Brilliant marketing. ^_^
We'll see how this story ends.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2294
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:56:39 -
[152] - Quote
You know a feature is badly implemented when the bugs with it generate more excitement and positive feedback than the feature itself. |
Velarra
362
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:59:41 -
[153] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:You know a feature is badly implemented when the bugs with it generate more excitement and positive feedback than the feature itself.
"We don't make mistakes, we just have happy accidents" - B. Ross. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8011
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:23:53 -
[154] - Quote
Velarra wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:You know a feature is badly implemented when the bugs with it generate more excitement and positive feedback than the feature itself. "We don't make mistakes, we just have happy accidents" - B. Ross.
If those incidents get response such as this recent one, they should be considered features. Features this game needs, well, if not to full extend as this "bug" stands for, it should teach someone in CCP to listen to players more.
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
303
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:29:25 -
[155] - Quote
I got that skin working on a Vindicator, without the corp-logo problems your Kronos has and it is absolutely incredible!
http://i.imgur.com/nY4GFOg.jpg
Edit:
Also, have you seen how great the Guristas SKIN goes with the rust effects on Minmatar ships?
Guristas Rifter: http://i.imgur.com/OjciTE4.jpg
Guristas Stabber: http://i.imgur.com/bes4bEU.jpg
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8012
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:38:54 -
[156] - Quote
And what now? Maybe some Gurista pirate likes to fly rifters? Would that be lore breaking and CCP would tell him to shut up?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2295
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:45:42 -
[157] - Quote
Obviously you can't just keep a bug because people like it. But I think this whole deal has done a lot to illustrate how much people actually want legitimately customizable ship appearances and how not interested people are about paying a months worth of sub to get a skin that applies to a single T1 hull.
The entire spiel about T2 hulls having unique appearances is also totally ridiculous. By the same logic having color patterns that previously only existed on T2 hulls (khanid, sarum, Laidai, Roden) should be equally confusing. It's a dumb explanation.
The lore explanation is also stupid because the changes to the ship are totally cosmetic and the scope video even has pirates using it to imitate a mega corporation ship.
Very much like the rest of the Nex store CCP has a product here that people will buy but no idea how to sell it. |
Kelleth Kirk
Angels with Artillery
137
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:45:42 -
[158] - Quote
Wauw, this is awesome... They should just enable this instead of that other limited skin thingie they got in the game now.
I don't like any event where punching someone isn't an option.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1026
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Posted - 2015.05.02 23:11:03 -
[159] - Quote
Damen Apol wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:
At what point should CCP just throw up their hands and say, "**** it. These idiots will never be happy so why should we even try?"
More excellent business advice, the customer is an idiot that we shouldn't try to please. Why you people aren't successful business moguls is beyond me.
He's right. You are an idiot. This thread is full of idiots who think they understand all the technical details better than CCP does. It's full of whiny entitled b****** just like the other thread about the damage control icon. Just like the Jita Riots.
"You aren't giving me exactly what I want exactly when I want it. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa!!"
*insert a bunch of big words you probably don't understand trying to justify how it totally makes sense for CCP to do whatever you say to do now because customer, business model, technical stuff, democracy, Jesus, and French fries*
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1084
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Posted - 2015.05.02 23:34:17 -
[160] - Quote
Just in case lore is seriously going to be a reason not to allow mix and match SKINs as it were, the lore would actually support it 100%.
1. It's been established that the Empires are losing their grasp on Capsuleers for a while now. We've been merrily doing our own thing, ignoring whatever the Empires want and certainly not abiding by their historic values. We have Gallente pilots flying Amarr ships and Caldari pilots shooting Caldari Navy ships. They don't control us or the ships we fly.
2. The camouflage technology that made SKINs possible in the lore is readily available to everyone and it stands to reason that Capsuleers, stubborn as we are, would tinker with it to get any desired effect. Capsuleers wouldn't give a rats *ss about what an Empire's ship is supposed to look like. We're Capsuleers, we create our own empires and we'll certainly decide for ourselves how we make our ships look.
So please, CCP, give us the freedom to apply any SKIN on as many ships as possible. This thread is a testament to some of the amazingly awesome looking ships it could create and how badly people want to have them. Don't ignore that, you're smarter than that!
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Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.05.03 00:21:49 -
[161] - Quote
There have been two main arguments made by CCP devs regarding the 'fixing' of the bug that enables almost any skin to be applied to almost any ship. The first is the most straight forward and logical of the two: it's a computer resources issue. Now this is quite understandable. Even ships that share a common hull design, such as marauders with their T1 variants, have a number of small differences. It is completely possible, indeed quite likely, that a SKIN designed for the Megathron may not work perfectly well even with a ship such as the Kronos that shares 95% of it's model. This tiny conflict could cause a small increase in system resource use, which when multiplied by multiple ships and pilots in an already resource starved game (at least until Brain-in-a-box goes live), could be the tipping point that leads to lag or even crashes. This potential issue is likely to increase exponentially when you apply it to ships not designed for that skin.
However, that being said, as this bug has proved, the graphics of the SKIN system are considerably more robust than CCP has been letting on. The cat is most certainly out of the bag and it's not going back into it. There is no technical reason why any SKIN design cannot be applied to any ship hull. Period. However, each hull does need to be carefully tested before that SKIN goes live to ensure there are no resource issues as stated previously. So basically, assuming that all the SKINs can be tested, there is no reason whatsoever (other than the person-hours required for testing) that SKINs can be made to apply to any ship. It's simply a matter of testing time and fine tuning, not a matter of whether or not it will work. Forcing us to buy SKINs for every ship type, rather than for each model (such as one SKIN for the Mega, Navy Mega and Kronos) when we can see that there is no practical reason other than profiteering, will likely leave a bad taste in player's mouths.
Which brings me to the second and much more contraversial point that CCP are making: that it's a question of 'lore' and they are not willing to compromise on the lore. I'm sorry but this is a fatally-flawed argument at best. How many times have CCP extolled the virtues of 'player-generated' content? How many times have they proclaimed proudly that, that unlike most MMO's, the New Eden 'sandbox' is based around the actions of players? How many times have CCP said that we capsuleers are (in the lore) at odds, in opposition to, or in contravention the wishes of the four Empires (Ghost Sites being a prime example)?
The true empires of New Eden are not found in the lore; they are found in the player base. Eve University, CODE, Brave, The Imperium (formerly CFC), N3 (what's left of it), and all the other major alliances and coalitions have a unique identity that has come from the interaction of human players over a long period of time. While Empire loyalist groups do exist (such as CVA) they are very much the minority of the playerbase. Indeed, each of us chose a race to be when we first rolled up our character... and that choice of race has absolutely no impact on any aspect of our game play once we're out of the rookie systems (and not much while we're in them). It's a piece of background fluff that has no impact in the ships we are able to build, buy and fly.
We are capsuleers. We may have originally come from the Empires, but we are no longer part of the Empires, nor their corporations. Our corporate identity is determined by the corporations that we, as players, have created, not by the NPC corporations we first joined. Every ship that a capsuleer can fly in New Eden has actually been built by capsuleers. By us. Every Tech 2 ship has been researched through a process of invention (T2 BPOs nonwithstanding), reverse engineering and generally through capsuleer innovation. In the lore. There is no reason, within the lore that we have created, that a capsuleer industrialist cannot adapt an existing ship's paint scheme to better reflect what his client (the capsuleer who is going to fly it) wants. If the client wants an Ishtar to have a golden paint job (usually the domain of the Amarr), then the industrialist simply shrugs his shoulders and programs the nanites building the ship accordingly (or sets up the Super Kerr Iduced Nano-coating accordingly).
In short, the true lore of Eve is made by the players. CCP is proud of that. The background lore is there to provide a background for us to work with. A background, not a foreground that limits every decision we want to make with the ships that WE have researched, invented and built.
TL;DR - TigerXtrm actually nut-shelled this very well in the above post:
TigerXtrm wrote:Just in case lore is seriously going to be a reason not to allow mix and match SKINs as it were, the lore would actually support it 100%.
1. It's been established that the Empires are losing their grasp on Capsuleers for a while now. We've been merrily doing our own thing, ignoring whatever the Empires want and certainly not abiding by their historic values. We have Gallente pilots flying Amarr ships and Caldari pilots shooting Caldari Navy ships. They don't control us or the ships we fly.
2. The camouflage technology that made SKINs possible in the lore is readily available to everyone and it stands to reason that Capsuleers, stubborn as we are, would tinker with it to get any desired effect. Capsuleers wouldn't give a rats *ss about what an Empire's ship is supposed to look like. We're Capsuleers, we create our own empires and we'll certainly decide for ourselves how we make our ships look.
So please, CCP, give us the freedom to apply any SKIN on as many ships as possible. This thread is a testament to some of the amazingly awesome looking ships it could create and how badly people want to have them. Don't ignore that, you're smarter than that!
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1373
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Posted - 2015.05.03 00:32:32 -
[162] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Obviously you can't just keep a bug because people like it. But I think this whole deal has done a lot to illustrate how much people actually want legitimately customizable ship appearances and how not interested people are about paying a months worth of sub to get a skin that applies to a single T1 hull.
Sure, it absolutely has.
Take note that this is a brand new feature that's been rolled out in a very conservative way, using existing ship/faction combinations, to see how people react to it. New ship skins may have different limitations or possibly none at all, and the feedback and excitement from this thread will be part of the internal discussions that lead to that.
We discussed possible future directions for skins in the Fanfest Art and Graphics panel. I recommend taking a look.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
78
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Posted - 2015.05.03 00:48:17 -
[163] - Quote
Has anyone tried to apply the Panther SKIN to a Kronos hull? I'd like to see if possible. |
Michelle Byleth
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
0
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Posted - 2015.05.03 00:48:36 -
[164] - Quote
I would love to have as many 'black and white' skins as possible ;)
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Memphis Baas
360
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Posted - 2015.05.03 00:52:27 -
[165] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Take note that this is a brand new feature that's been rolled out in a very conservative way, using existing ship/faction combinations, to see how people react to it and to try to measure performance impact. Well, some people (*cough*) have reacted to the way you've released it, rather than to the feature itself. Not sure you wanted that, but the reaction will possibly be projected onto the feature. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1308
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Posted - 2015.05.03 01:13:20 -
[166] - Quote
I wonder what the EA vp they hired is saying...
"Wtf you tossed the money making scheme... Nooooooooo!!!!!"
Yea I know he's on dust or Valkyrie but still would be funny.
Honestly leave it in. People are enjoying it, you are about to make a mint if you keep it.
It's not alienating the players, the servers haven't exploded. People are waiting to throw money at you, let them.
Yaay!!!!
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Memphis Baas
360
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Posted - 2015.05.03 01:24:21 -
[167] - Quote
Shrug, who knows what's going on.
The spaceship simulator game genre is so anemic that they're not even making joysticks anymore; Logitech and Microsoft are offering 1 each and that's about it. Been like that for a while now. So CCP has decided to develop Valkyrie for the nanoscopic subset of simulator fans who will have an Oculus Rift. |
Remiel Pollard
Against All Odds.
6585
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Posted - 2015.05.03 01:52:17 -
[168] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Shrug, who knows what's going on. The spaceship simulator game genre is so anemic that they're not even making joysticks anymore; Logitech and Microsoft are offering 1 each and that's about it. Been like that for a while now. So CCP has decided to develop Valkyrie for the nanoscopic subset of simulator fans who will have an Oculus Rift.
Yes because spaceship simulator games are the only ones that use joysticks, and Saitek and Thrustmaster never even existed.
I'm already know why you get so much of what you state wrong, I'm only confused as to who you're trying to convince.
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
1162
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Posted - 2015.05.03 01:54:52 -
[169] - Quote
Topic speaks for itself.
CCP set a target of adding or changing things within this time scale on a frequent basis moving forward.
No real trial and error evaluation period anymore - let's just roll this **** out mentality ;)
What could go wrong?
Devs Running out of ideas during these cycles?
Let's change the damage control icon is a perfect example.
I hate to think what the future holds.
Skins screams of ccp trying to appease or appeal to the average joe while trying to increase subs being the main focus
Just need to count down until next devlpment cycle and stuff is rolled out without proper quality assessment and feedback.
Clock is ticking
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Oraac Ensor
625
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Posted - 2015.05.03 02:04:34 -
[170] - Quote
Winter Archipelago wrote:
I can understand "special" corp SKINs being restricted (such as Quafe and Police), but the general corp colors would be awesome to have as general any-ship varieties.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
2020
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Posted - 2015.05.03 03:21:36 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.
Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game.
Regarding the lore angle, why would capsuleers really care about licensing conditions imposed by corporations? Especially in this instance where the tech was stolen in the first place.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.03 08:26:26 -
[172] - Quote
Zappity wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game. Regarding the lore angle, why would capsuleers really care about licensing conditions imposed by corporations? Especially in this instance where the tech was stolen in the first place.
Yeah, tech stolen with a Rhea Jumpfreighter. Flown by Serpentis........ SERPENTIS FLYING CALDARI SHIPS... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8013
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Posted - 2015.05.03 08:32:42 -
[173] - Quote
Fabulous Visage wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game. Regarding the lore angle, why would capsuleers really care about licensing conditions imposed by corporations? Especially in this instance where the tech was stolen in the first place. Yeah, tech stolen with a Rhea Jumpfreighter. Flown by Serpentis........ SERPENTIS FLYING CALDARI SHIPS...
Pirates! In space! Doing what they want!
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2015.05.03 10:04:18 -
[174] - Quote
The sight of truly customized ships flying in new eden in a myriad of diverse appearances is a thing of beauty. Don't use lore as a way to stop player creativity. Certainly address any technical issues to make it stable but don't just stifle this. The genie is out of the bottle.
In the past, CCP has talked about taking the 'power' out of the hands of NPC's and giving it to players to shape the universe as they see fit. Being able to paint a ship they bought in any colour scheme they want is part of that. Capsuleers aren't necessarily aligned to any faction, they are their own thing. If a capsuleer wants their mercenary dominix to have a sarum paint job, why stop that? Sure, the designer may not have intended it but capsuleers aren't beholden to such mundane concerns - they are immortal space demigods, and if they want to paint their ship in a manner not approved by the ship manufacturer, then that's what they should get.
"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
266
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Posted - 2015.05.03 11:54:11 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Obviously you can't just keep a bug because people like it. But I think this whole deal has done a lot to illustrate how much people actually want legitimately customizable ship appearances and how not interested people are about paying a months worth of sub to get a skin that applies to a single T1 hull. Sure, it absolutely has. Take note that this is a brand new feature that's been rolled out in a very conservative way, using existing ship/faction combinations, to see how people react to it and to try to measure performance impact. New ship skins may have different limitations or possibly none at all, and the feedback and excitement from this thread will be part of the internal discussions that lead to that. We discussed possible future directions for skins in the Fanfest Art and Graphics panel. I recommend taking a look.
I've probably got a very unpopular opinion, but... I was kinda sad out about this glitch. Just a little. Wish it never happened.
When you guys first announced the ships skins, I was about as hyped as I am for the new structure systems (i.e a hell of a lot). I knew it would take time to implement, but I was okay with waiting.
Then the glitch happened, and at the same time I was exited and I felt really let down. Not by you guys, nor the skin system itself, but... it's really hard to explain. It just felt cheap that we could get these things through a glitch. I felt bad about exploiting the system you guys worked on. As much hype this has generated, it's put you guys in a very unenviable position of taking away one of the most loved features your players have been asking for, because the feature isn't quite done yet. Your reasons for doing it are totally fine; QA is a very required process, and for the sake of lore some of it has to get quashed.
But it's not really fair to you guys, since doing what you need to as a company is going to cause a good portion of your userbase (at least the less mature of them) to resent you for it and start crying doomsday again.
Though I don't quite agree with some of the pricing on the ships, I'd honestly rather pay for them via isk or RL money than I would cheat the system. And that's coming from a woman who pirates probably four or five songs a week, along with movies, and games, and whatever else I feel like.
All that being said, I'm gonna be sad to see my Sukuuvestaa Badger go :(
And my Sukuuvestaa Chimera
And my Sukuuvestaa Armageddon
And my Sukuuvestaa Hookbill
And my Sukuuvestaa Caracal
And my Sukuuvestaa Ferox
And my Sukuuvestaa Naga
And my Sukuuvestaa Stratios
And my Serpentis Corax
And my Serpentis Scorpion
And my Serpentis Chimera
And my... |
chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
34
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Posted - 2015.05.03 13:05:20 -
[176] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Obviously you can't just keep a bug because people like it. But I think this whole deal has done a lot to illustrate how much people actually want legitimately customizable ship appearances and how not interested people are about paying a months worth of sub to get a skin that applies to a single T1 hull. Sure, it absolutely has. Take note that this is a brand new feature that's been rolled out in a very conservative way, using existing ship/faction combinations, to see how people react to it and to try to measure performance impact. New ship skins may have different limitations or possibly none at all, and the feedback and excitement from this thread will be part of the internal discussions that lead to that. We discussed possible future directions for skins in the Fanfest Art and Graphics panel. I recommend taking a look.
Tread lightly Darwin.
Because if you simply "patch the bug" and tell user base to "have patience while CCP rolles out all planed changes in apropriate manner" you might see Darwinism at work.
Where many small organisms organize in order to bring down a larger organism.
I would suggest "fixing" performance issues on current skins and letting them be used by general public in manner they see fit.
But then again you might take hard road and ... yeah. Not looking forward to that scenario.
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2Sonas1Cup
108
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Posted - 2015.05.03 13:11:27 -
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@ccp
Intentionally calling a mechanic an unintentional bug.
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Memphis Baas
366
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Posted - 2015.05.03 13:56:07 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:When you guys first announced the ships skins, I was about as hyped as I am for the new structure systems (i.e a hell of a lot). I knew it would take time to implement, but I was okay with waiting.
Then the glitch happened, and at the same time I was exited and I felt really let down. Not by you guys, nor the skin system itself, but... it's really hard to explain. It just felt cheap that we could get these things through a glitch.
I think from CCP's point of view it's like a game that gets pirated and torrented on day 1; they lost control over the SKINs feature. It was pretty awful.
Unlike piracy, though, they can fix the bug and regain control; and we still want to BUY their stuff (probably even more so now), with only the side effect that, having seen what's possible, some of us want THAT instead of the pre-nerfed cumbersome piecemeal system they have now.
Not everybody's used the bug, either; they can probably tell who did and didn't. Not to punish, but as a statistic to compare our percentage with software piracy percentages or whatever. They could even write a white paper on it. |
Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
92
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Posted - 2015.05.03 14:14:18 -
[179] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/Wpcr1Mx.png?1
Blood Raider Machariel.
now thats a thing of beauty, infact the other pirate skins on the machariel show just how terrible the bog standard mach skin looks since the lighting change.
Also as for your vaunted "Lore" excuse it doesn't hold water at all.
So lets say i'm a Guristas loyalist capsuleer but I came from an amarrian or minmatar background and fly those ships, what lore reason would stop me painting my ships to show my allegiance?
or I am a mission runner who flies constantly for the Ishukone Corporation with perfect standings towards them, but i fly a Paladin, who is to say I can't fly ishukone colours to show my allegiance?
I'm a Minmatar sebiestor who was raised in the federation so I fly Gallente ships. I have returned to be an active member of my tribe so I want to show my allegiance by flying sebiestor colours and markings. Who are you to say i'm not good enough because i don't fly minmatar ships?
The same argument can be repeated ad infinitum for every so called Lore excuse and lets not beat about the bush it's an excuse for not allowing cross faction SKINS.
We as capsuleers do not hold to the requirements of normal folk as you keep telling us. so saying we can't fly one ship painted with another factions colours is utter tripe. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
55
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Posted - 2015.05.03 14:42:00 -
[180] - Quote
chelly Dian wrote:Tread lightly Darwin.
Because if you simply "patch the bug" and tell user base to "have patience while CCP rolles out all planed changes in apropriate manner" you might see Darwinism at work.
Where many small organisms organize in order to bring down a larger organism.
I would suggest "fixing" performance issues on current skins and letting them be used by general public in manner they see fit.
But then again you might take hard road and ... yeah. Not looking forward to that scenario.
I would suggest CCP do not give into the petulant children that would still scream and throw toys out the pram until they can repaint the entire eve universe.
This thread is over 48 hours old now and still not even in double digits, so there certainly isn't a threadnought of demand from the entire playerbase asking for this change, it is just a couple of self entitled snow flakes repeatedly posting.
I would suggest most of us actually want CCP to quickly resolve this issue and restore the integrity of the skin system so that we can have a bit of consistency and people feel confident to actually go out and buy the skins. The bank holiday weekend should have been a good time for people to buy into this, but unfortunately due to this bug people will undoubtedly be holding off any purchase until this is properly resolved.
Most people understand this for what it is, which is another revenue stream for CCP, hopefully to contribute back towards further development of the game. |
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deseana
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.05.03 14:56:21 -
[181] - Quote
currently my favorite mixed skin... Sarum Anathema
Anathema being a T2 hull as no skins for it, but the Sarum prime Magnate skin fits it very nicely. Doesn't hurt that I love t he Sarum Prime colors for on most Amarr ship
side note for the CCP jockey making notes, I'd love to see a permanent skin that are "Sarum Prime for cruiser class hulls" |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
305
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Posted - 2015.05.03 15:31:44 -
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I really dont understand any lore reasons, too. As many people have already said, if I, as a semi-god capsuleer whatever-uber-being want to paint my ship in Guristas colours, I should be able to.
There are so many pirates around, that are being actively hunted by CONCORD, can barely enter highsec without getting shot at but they-¦re not allowed to change the appearance of their ship? Even though the NPC pirates do it?
So I would defiantely want to be able to paint every ship in every factions colours.
The amount of SKIN items that would have to be created would be absolutely crazy though. We-¦d need SKIN licenses like "Guristas colour scheme for frigate sized hulls"
And for your viewing pleasure, take this Guristas Orca: http://imgur.com/cPQi1c7
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Mehashi 'Kho
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
156
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Posted - 2015.05.03 15:41:44 -
[183] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:
This thread is over 48 hours old now and still not even in double digits, so there certainly isn't a threadnought of demand from the entire playerbase asking for this change, it is just a couple of self entitled snow flakes repeatedly posting.
I would suggest most of us actually want CCP to quickly resolve this issue...
Far from it, there are others like me who have been having so much fun with this feature that we have been logged in playing and not reading forums for a change. Ive been fairly disaffected by eve the last couple of months, happens to all of us now and then, logging in less and less, yet since this feature I have been logging in every day, just enjoying flying my police myrmidon, or blood raiders cynabal just for the fun of flying it, even if there is nothing to do.
I wouldn't have engaged with skins and appreciated that work and content going by their old prices ever above the 50-100 mil pricepoint, so I am really glad even for a few days to experience some fun gameplay without the prohibitive cost.
I haven't felt so enthusiastic about playing eve in a long time. Absolutely gutted that this will be patched. You can't have player customisation but still try to cling to rigid ideas of racial themes in any way that will make that customisation meaningful. The focus seems to be on bringing isk in for ccp I get that, but as someone who is already a bit disengaged with the game atm, this kind of thing could have been a motivator to re-engage and extend my sub. The prices I see on market for the larger skins are ludicrous, so once patched this whole thing becomes totally irrelevant to any ongoing interest in the feature I may have had.
It has been a fun few days while it lasted anyway. |
Corylus Avellana
Avaricious Crustaceans
0
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:04:52 -
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Great job, CCP! Thanks for this super fun "bug". Got back to Eve recently after a long (year+) vacation and um.. tested.. this feature myself and it was really fun. Really liked black and white Gallente hulls and Sukuuvestaa Caldari battleships. Look forward to see all skins unlocked at least for faction and/or all classes in NES.
Don't understand all this whine about "Eve is going down" and "CCP lead us to ruin". There was some questionable things in EVE history but as for now Eve is much appealing to new pilots than ever before. Have some faith. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
55
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:25:13 -
[185] - Quote
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
This thread is over 48 hours old now and still not even in double digits, so there certainly isn't a threadnought of demand from the entire playerbase asking for this change, it is just a couple of self entitled snow flakes repeatedly posting.
I would suggest most of us actually want CCP to quickly resolve this issue...
Far from it, there are others like me who have been having so much fun with this feature that we have been logged in playing and not reading forums for a change. Ive been fairly disaffected by eve the last couple of months, happens to all of us now and then, logging in less and less, yet since this feature I have been logging in every day, just enjoying flying my police myrmidon, or blood raiders cynabal just for the fun of flying it, even if there is nothing to do. I wouldn't have engaged with skins and appreciated that work and content going by their old prices ever above the 50-100 mil pricepoint, so I am really glad even for a few days to experience some fun gameplay without the prohibitive cost. I haven't felt so enthusiastic about playing eve in a long time. Absolutely gutted that this will be patched. You can't have player customisation but still try to cling to rigid ideas of racial themes in any way that will make that customisation meaningful. The focus seems to be on bringing isk in for ccp I get that, but as someone who is already a bit disengaged with the game atm, this kind of thing could have been a motivator to re-engage and extend my sub. The prices I see on market for the larger skins are ludicrous, so once patched this whole thing becomes totally irrelevant to any ongoing interest in the feature I may have had. It has been a fun few days while it lasted anyway.
This is the kind of fun which is similar to the fun they had when they made every character in WOW level 80. Yes, it is fun for a few days, and the kids get to try out all the toys, but then once novelty has worn off your left with a poor game. |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
31
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:25:27 -
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For the whole SKIN thing, i thought it would be 1 SKIN Licence per Ship Class, not per Hulls.
I won't never ever buy a SKIN (unless LP Store) for one single ship hull.
Although, if you make SKINs per Faction and Class, i would concider bying AUR for this.
Make SKIN per faction/Ship class, so that one licence can be applied to one faction Ship class.
Like a "Frigate Khanid SKIN" applyable on every Amarr frigates. |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
306
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:36:29 -
[187] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:
This is the kind of fun which is similar to the fun they had when they made every character in WOW level 80. Yes, it is fun for a few days, and the kids get to try out all the toys, but then once novelty has worn off your left with a poor game.
I am afraid, your comparison is not working.
If you set everybody at maxlvl in a themepark game, you-¦re effectively removing all the content they could-¦ve enjoyed while leveling up.
This glitch however is ADDING a ton of content, in the form of hundrets or thousands of ship/skin pairings. Of course, not everybody is interested in this kind of content, but we did definately not lose anything. The only moment we will lose something is in the moment this glitch gets fixed.
So, of course the glitch has to be fixed.
But we-¦ve now seen and enjoyed how the SKIN system should actually work. We saw all the possibilities and we want to have them!
Also, have some more Guristas awesomeness:
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3976/xexmq9ou_png.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3976/zanttz2d_png.htm
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Mehashi 'Kho
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
157
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Posted - 2015.05.03 17:04:08 -
[188] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:
This is the kind of fun which is similar to the fun they had when they made every character in WOW level 80. Yes, it is fun for a few days, and the kids get to try out all the toys, but then once novelty has worn off your left with a poor game.
I disagree.
I haven't magically been able to do any new things due to this feature.
I have however magically started to enjoy doing the same things over again since this feature.
I don't feel your comparison works. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
326
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Posted - 2015.05.03 18:46:21 -
[189] - Quote
I want the Sukuuvestaa skin as an option for all ships. I put it on a Stratios and an Astero. I want to put it on a Providence too.
If we had the option to buy any skin, I'd buy the Sukuuvestaa for Stratios, Astero, most likely Providence, the new Caracal and Cerberus hull, as well as for Nemesis, Manticore and Purifier. Would look great on Tengu, Proteus, Legion and LokI.
Right there, I listed 12 ship hulls I would buy skins for. CCP, you want my money, there you go. Make it happen and I'll be willing to buy the skins I like for the Hulls I want.
More skin options available for sale per hull, the more money CCP will make. Price these skins cheaper than they are, but give us many more options to choose from. |
Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.05.03 19:58:36 -
[190] - Quote
Considering what we have learned about how the skin system works due to this bug, I hope ccp decides to sell skins based only on their faction/livery.
Like, I buy a Sarum skin, it allows me to apply it to any ship I own, permanently. Or same for a Blood Raiders livery skin.
Now, done this way, I think the high prices of 20-30 dollars each is justified. Or, just price them in plex, 2 plex for a skin you can use on every ship you own. Would I buy that? Yes, I would be fine with that price, for that benefit.
Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
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Daemun Khanid
Sanctus Imperialis
77
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Posted - 2015.05.03 21:43:17 -
[191] - Quote
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:Considering what we have learned about how the skin system works due to this bug, I hope ccp decides to sell skins based only on their faction/livery.
Like, I buy a Sarum skin, it allows me to apply it to any ship I own, permanently. Or same for a Blood Raiders livery skin.
Now, done this way, I think the high prices of 20-30 dollars each is justified. Or, just price them in plex, 2 plex for a skin you can use on every ship you own. Would I buy that? Yes, I would be fine with that price, for that benefit.
+1
Pricing still has to be reasonable but thats exactly the way I was thinking it should be done.
Sell skins for individual ships and I will never buy one cause guess what... I fly a lot of different ships. I'm not going to spend $5-$20 to change the look of a single class of frigate that i "might" use this week if a need for it comes up. But let me buy a skin and then use it on whatever I want and I may just buy quite a few of them. 2-3 at a minimum.
Daemun of Khanid
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Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.05.03 22:03:02 -
[192] - Quote
Winter is coming, ccp. Next week. http://puu.sh/hAojK/8d48a3fcd4.jpg |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31351
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Posted - 2015.05.03 22:12:00 -
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It boils down to denying content. Artificial scarcity for what, pricing?
Back during the clothing roundtable with the devs, that Corbexx organized, one of the CCP artists said that clothing items won't be made in versions for every faction, due to the principle of making certain things special. I understood that at the time, because clothing hadn't been codified by region, to be changed according to a set of color schemes.
That's the way the SKIN system works. Among the texture information is a color code, and you're seeing it in action.
What I think the NES -should- look like is a wide selection of every combination of color possible, for every ship, with better microtransaction pricing. It's a straightforward, honest offering of assets that have been created.
I had the same opinion as other people in this thread, that SKINs are not something that interest me, so -whatever-. I still don't. But what I'm seeing is another example of the greed is good mentality, and content being held hostage for exorbitant prices.
Players are calm now, but wait until the plug is pulled.
Help, I can't download EVE
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1635
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Posted - 2015.05.03 23:46:25 -
[194] - Quote
I do not envy you.
I am sure there were differing opinions, as to how the whole skins issues would be marketed, and we saw the view that won.
Many players felt his was a poor decision in a subscription game, to treat the issue as if it belonged in a free to play game, to max out the desire amongst the whales of the world, while behaving badly to the main player base.
Ok, we saw it, and it left a bad taste, but we could move on, a little annoyed. We were willing to wait it out until sanity and common sense prevailed.
But Pandoras box was opened, and was it fun! That will be long remembered as a great decision, but it was not, simply a bug, but seen as a great feature for the playerbase.
And no matter what happens now it will be seen as a feature that CCP management wish to see removed to make extra money.
Trying to turn back the clock, and trying to reopen that pandora's box and forcing everything back in, pretending nothing happened has never worked out in thousands of years of trying
However, the original idea now of trickling it out like individual grains of sugar to the foolish and wealthy, has been blown completely out of the window.
Being in denial, and continuing with the original farce, will simply hurt you. Badly.
Even the dimmest marketeer will admit that that opportunity is gone, and you need to offer something that the players will embrace, and maybe still earn a little extra money, because remember, this is not a free to play game and one does not put one's primary income stream at risk lightly.
We will see just how smart ccp's marketing are now, and how they adapt to change, as the inability to change with an altered enviroment usually results in a short lived career......
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
57
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Posted - 2015.05.04 00:10:52 -
[195] - Quote
Does anyone realistically expect CCP to release all their skins, slash the prices they are asking, and then make them available on any ship? That is certainly what some of you sound like you are asking for; if so you are going to be disappointed as it is simply not going to happen.
What you need to remember, like a drug company that spends thousands on research and development, when they eventually discover the drug, they don't simply sell it off at production cost do they. No, they try to recoup all the time and resources invested into the discovery of the drug which was the difficult part.
This ships skins thing is no different, anyone who has been following will know that CCP have had this in the works for quite some time now. I am sure many of us had realised that once CCP had the mechanic in place, then the actual creation of the assets was not going to be the difficult part.
The business model is also perfectly reasonable, with many of the skins priced at under $10, and some for as little as $3.50 for a permanent skin. The comparisons being made between skins and the summer of rage are massively exaggerated and dramatic. With incarna CCP was taking the game in a completely different direction, this skin thing is simply a side project with the rest of the game staying on the rails travelling towards seagulls vision.
Give CCP a break and let them fix this bug. |
Memphis Baas
368
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Posted - 2015.05.04 00:51:15 -
[196] - Quote
Don't expect them to, but, to use your analogy, it's like a medical company releasing Viagra only in penile injection form, and then somehow leaking an email that pills are easily possible. I believe that if they sell the pills they'd make more money than if they only sell the syringes, and, actually, if you want, look up Cialis sales vs. Alprostadil sales.
I am FOR fixing this bug, because it's a bug, and because they need to get the system back under their control. Just hoping they change their minds and make the skins universal.
They can be temporary skins, too, as long as they apply to all ships; I know I'll change my mind about what colors I like, at least yearly if not more often. So, on one hand, building a permanent set of colors would increase attachment to my character(s), and on the other hand, if they're temporary I'll just buy the FOTM color and not have to spend on the others.
Anyway, wish list. CCP will do whatever they feel is best, as they always have, and should. Not like yammering on the forums does anything. |
Koloblicin Rahl
The Lazerus Project
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:03:37 -
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Ok so I've played this game a little over 2 years, my first forum post! \o/ (I despise forums)
This is a topic I must weigh in and voice an opinion!
Please allow the 'bug' of all skins on all ships. Probably the only time I had a genuine 'nerdgasm' was when I saw an individual linking pix of said bug on ships (screenshots of machariels in assorted colors & a screenshot of a stratios sporting the quafe skin). This is AWESOME! Why in gods name would you consider this a no-no.
You preach that EVE is the pinnacle of a sandbox, that the individuals run the game and the dev's/employees truly serve them with minimal interference. I find it difficult to believe that the majority do not want skins as an option, well correction - limited skins dependent on NPC lore. Seriously?!
Unless all skins for all ships is a bug that detracts from gameplay (causes lag etc), I see NO reason to not allow this bug. Machariel & Stratios are 2 of my favorite ships in the game! I tried to repeat the 'bug' for the machariel, dropping a few hundred mil on skins & failing to get 1 skin to apply to my sadness.
Please, allow all skins for all ships! o7 |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1384
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:18:39 -
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Zappity wrote:Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game.
That's not what I said. What I said was that we're thinking about how to make it fit in our game in a way that makes sense.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1384
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:22:49 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious.
OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:41:33 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
The Price tiers are not that bad imho.
The issue is what's in those Tiers.
Why should a Frigate Skin, not some super special unique skin, just a standard corp skin, cost as much or more than other BC's, and even BS's?
Combine that with Aurum that you buy/convert from PLEX doesn't go evenly into these is also very annoying.
My suggestion is make pricing Tiers..
Frig/Dessy
Cruiser
BC
BS
Cap
Super.
Take the high price for Supers, the current low for Frigs, and the other pricing tiers inbetween. When we get T2 and T3 add a little more on top, but keep a T2 Frig skin to be no more than a T1 Cruiser.. T2 BS no more than a Cap, etc.
As it stands now the pricing just seems all over the place.
Also, Add them to LP Stores. Add more to drops. and more Variation to drops. 30 days IMHO is rather lame, 90 days, now that's more like it. Add them to the Pirate LP stores. In addition, make them mission rewards, like for Storyline missions, one time rewards for reaching a Corp/Empire standings.
Above all else, we want to know what CCP's plan IS. No one has laid out what their goal is with Skins, all we keep getting told is it isn't done yet. How about you tell us what the endgame goal is, and we can tell you now what we think about it BEFORE you invest the time in something that people are gonna have issues with. We could have told you how bizzare the current pricing is. We could have told you that we'd love to not be limited with "lore" for skin-hull combo's. We can vote what skins we want so you know where to invest the time in now.. |
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3503
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:41:41 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
Honestly? I'd pay the titan skin prices or even slightly more for universal skins. I'm not really interested in the extremely limited options you've released so far, it's basically impossible to make ships visually interesting without use of the bug. People want to make all their ships visually distinctive, not pay 10-30 bucks to alter one single tech 1 ship in an uninspired way.
Even something as simple as letting people choose the primary / secondary / tertiary colors for their ships would go a long way, and circumvent the technical limitations you guys seem to be having, if they have to do with the skins that don't follow the ships base color layout (like Blood Raiders). We, the players, don't give a **** about corp and faction colors. We want customization. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
158
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:50:48 -
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Well bearing in mind this is a subscription game, the free to pay prices are hard to take seriously.
Personally I care less about the price and more about the skins use. In my ideal space dystopia, buying a SKIN would mean my team of engineers know how to put those stencils on the hull of a ship (or whatever RP fluff) and therefore it would be available for any ship I own.
It's the lolRP restriction on what are some really kick-ass looking spaceship/skin combos that disappoints me.
On a side note - for all the confusion or animosity in the air at the moment - commend your art team on making some damn fine skins! |
Skalie
417th Cavalry
1
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:54:08 -
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My opinion...
1 Plex equivalent for the best Skins, if they were optimal (QA'd) for any correct faction ships and at players risk for not yet QA'd faction ships and incorrect Faction ships. with proper warning at time of application, and appeared on the whole account, i.e all three alts on the account.
Less than that for the more mundane skins, but all other points, the same as above.
10% of original cost, to be able to repackage the skin after use and resell it on the market.
Get rid of 30 day skins and make them one ship (but any one ship of the class for which it dropped), unlimited time. So if you lose it, it is gone.
Please remember this is an opinion, like it or not this is what I would be prepared to pay. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:54:25 -
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I'll give you my suggestion for pricing.
T1 Frigates - 500
T2 Frigates - 700
Destroyers - 700
T2 Destroyers - 900
T3 Destroyers - 1,200
T1 Cruiser - 1,000
T2 Cruiser - 1,200
T3 Cruiser - 1,500
Battlecruiser - 1,400
Commandship - 1,500
T1 Battleship - 1,500
T2 Battleship - 2,000
Orca - 3,000
Capital (Inc Freighter, Bowhead, Rorq) - 4,000
Supercap (Including Titan) - 5,000
There.. that's my rough estimate.
As it stands now, we have T1 Frigs starting at 740 and ending at 4,300 o_0 That's the same price currently as a Kador AVATAR. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
1336
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Posted - 2015.05.04 01:55:52 -
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To the wonderful CCP Devs and art team. Please dont fix this, just optimize them. Yes I will throw more plex and money at you if i can have any skin on any ship. Like a police persuit hurricane? :D
Or a Blood raider nightmare....
OMG Blood raider Avatar :D
Come on CCP we will love you really long time if you can do this.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:09:52 -
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Moac Tor wrote:The business model is also perfectly reasonable, with many of the skins priced at under $10, and some for as little as $3.50 for a permanent skin.
A single SKIN for a single ship for 10$...there are thousands of those combinations, do you expect people will be willing to pay between 3.5$ and 10$ for EACH of those?
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Daemun Khanid
Sanctus Imperialis
78
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:24:21 -
[207] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
I was thinking about this quite a lot today. If we could pay for skins that could then be assigned to any ship I'd be happy to pay as much as $20 a skin, $15 more preferably. If we could buy a "faction" related skin (to help protect lore as CCP have stated) that could then be applied to any ship of the appropriate faction (i.e. Buy a khanid skin that could then be applied to any amarrian ship I would probably pay as much as $15 with $10 being more preferable. All prices U.S. At the prefered prices I'd probably buy 4+ skins. At the high end I would probably pick a couple of my favorites and only buy 2. 3 if I saw one that I just HAD to have.
Just to reiterate though, on skins that are restricted to a single ship, I wouldn't and won't buy any. Even at $2-$3 dollars. Just the process of having to buy individual skins for EVERY individual ship is just a turn off. Skins are pretty but at that level it's just more of a pain in the behind than it's worth regardless of the price. Too much micro-management IMO
Daemun of Khanid
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:30:37 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
What I want is a choice. Just imagine: yesterday I was feeling all piraty, so I slapped the Guristas SKIN on and went out shooting people in the face. Today, I felt like tryharding it, so I put the Police SKIN on, named my ship WoopWoop and went out telling people "to step out of their ship". Who knows, tomorrow I might feel fancy and take out something Quafe.
My point is, EVE is all about doing whatever the hell I want and often I dont really know what kind of ship I want to fly before I pick one semi-random from those I have in my hangar and that just fits my mood. If I would have to buy a special SKIN for all the different ships I own, I would go broke FAST. I would just not buy any, because it-¦s not worth it; I just change my ships way too often.
BUT...if I could buy a Police license that I could slap onto every ship I like...please take all my money. 2 PLEX? 7k AUR? Yeah, I would pay that probably. Guristas license? Take another 2 PLEX.
Maybe split it up a bit, into a Capital license and a non-capital license for example and make the all-in-one option a bit cheaper (4k/4k).
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8462
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:36:40 -
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Just give 'em what they want. Everything. All ships, all colors.
Then charge $600.00 for it. Cash. No PLEX option and can't be sold on the market.
I look forward to the threadnaught following that announcement.
Mr Epeen
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Boci
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
19
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:46:37 -
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I personally would just like to see a given skin working for all variations of a hull.
Quafe Vexor being usable on Vexor Navy/Ishtar for ex.
I do not however support making any skin apply to any hull what so ever. Completely kills the exclusivity of certain limited offerings (i.e. Quafe Mega)
I would also like to see uniform SKIN costs within a hull size. There is no reason, in my head, for one Tormentor SKIN to be 730 or whatever, while another Tormentor SKIN is over 4k
Hell, in all honesty, I dont really see a reason for different costs based on hull size either.
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UHURT's Link Guy
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Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings
Hell's Pirates
13
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Posted - 2015.05.04 02:51:16 -
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Going to go ahead and contribute this:
I think one of the person's comments about the Chinese having whatever they want fits the bill with the rest of us when it comes to the skins. I do not think a skin should be confined to a certain race's ships but should be universally available to all. I mean isn't that the whole point of, despite having to pick a specific race when first starting off in the game, being able to choose whichever side or empire faction you want to side with. I think the same mentality should apply to the skins. Let's say I'm in npc nullsec in the guristas territory and I'm an RPer. I may be flying a Minmatar Vargur by siding with the Guristas I'd love to be able to apply that guristas camo scheme to show my support to the faction.
As for the 30 day skins, I think that was a mistake. If we want to encourage rarity let's just raise the price of the skin itself in loyalty points as opposed to putting a time limit on it. There's always going to be new players or people creating new toons and wanting to utilize new skins. That's never going to go away.
In regards to time limits as well as what skin can be applied to what ship, unlike actual game mechanics, I think the skins are being taken too seriously. I can already see people like Code laughing their asses off and putting the police cruiser skin on a bunch of catalysts claiming to be the mining police, warping down and obliterating a bunch of miners in Parses. I'd pay money to see that just for the laughs.
For instance, I'm a big fan of armor ships but I love the story/mythology behind the guristas faction, hence why I used it as an earlier example. I'd love to be able to take one of my Vindicators or my Nyx for example and slap a Guristas camo scheme and logo as a salute to the faction.
Typing this at work so I'm kind of half paying attention to what I'm saying and what I'm doing at work, but I hope all of this made sense. Ship skins don't affect game mechanics. They're superficial but very desirable things and I think restricting them to certain factions is a let down. People want a little pep in their game and allowing universal faction skins across the board would be a big hit. Heck I'm sure there's some people here still Jonesing for a Gurista Raven or a Blood Raider Aeon.
Hopefully somewhere down the line it'll get to where we can design our own ship skins for our alliances and submit them like we do alliance logos. |
Memphis Baas
368
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:04:30 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
So, hopefully you're really interested in what Rain6637 suggests, because you're otherwise indicating a TL;DR on all the specific feedback in the past 10 pages.
Anyway, my suggestions:
1. Each skin fits all ships.
2. Prices are only obnoxious for the 1 skin per 1 ship system; they're quite reasonable for the 1 skin all ships system.
3. Temporary skins in the "LP to $5" range.
4. Permanent skins in the "$10 - $40" range, based on how popular the colors are; feel free to price the "lore" colors at the lower end of that range and the non-lore yellows and pinks at the upper end.
5a. In addition, because you're afraid of permanent skins, place a limit of 5 permanent skin slots per character, and a payment of PLEX to unlock more slots (you're getting money for ... not even pixels, for the shopping cart for buying pixels). Otherwise, we have to destroy old permanent skins to get new permanent skins if all slots are full, like rigs.
Or,
5b. Realize that we can only use one damn skin at a time, just like we can only use one ship at a time even though we train for 200+, so having 50 skins is like having a 100 billion bounty. Thus, don't limit how many skins we can purchase or collect, and let us be addicts and collect your money.
6. Periodically release new skins for sale, you have millions of color combos to "invent." Looking forward to red+white+green for the new year holiday season, for example.
7. Start your prices high, and reduce them or offer temporary 10%-50% sales if you don't get the volume you want. You're asking us for basic marketing and pricing strategies, seems silly.
8. Feel free to take your time to fix T2, T3 ship models and textures to work with the skin paints; give us the universal skin system now so we can paint the ships that work with it, then take your time to unlock the bugged ships to also work with it. |
Avaelica Kuershin
52
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:10:13 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
1) As other posters have suggested, tiered pricing according to hull size, and extension to t2 variants.
2) Just as player corporation logos are made up of 3 layers, a similar, though probably more restricted, scheme for SKINing ships in player corporation or alliance colours. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
623
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:30:30 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Just give 'em what they want. Everything. All ships, all colors. Then charge $600.00 for it. Cash. No PLEX option and can't be sold on the market. I look forward to the threadnaught following that announcement. Mr Epeen
actually a somewhat reasonable idea. Can argue price as a bit high imo but has merits.
Its working well for other games that give season pass offerings. Why nickel and dime for those who want it all, season pass it and you are covered.
For those not into skins...no skin off our nose (no pun intended).
Vice all these ideas of plex/lp conversions and such. Which I fear one day could leak over into other areas. this was the crap incarna started with Hilmar having grand schemes of AUrum and such. Jacked up plex, which splash damaged to other areas.
Players chasing this dragon needed more isk. So they crept up prices on crap not even related to make that money. Kind of annoying as I did not play in either the aurum or plex markets really. If it stayed local to them I could not care less. Inflation hit other areas though...this I did care about.
For those into skins we could even make sub deals if the full selection too pricey. the caldari pack as an example. Not the full skin selection, just caldari. Again like the DLC option games have. Buy the ones you want. Or none at all if base game does you fine.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
57
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:34:34 -
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I would extend the SKINs we have at the moment to affect the hull type, rather than the specific ship. So for instance as mentioned, a vexor skin would apply to vexors and ishtars. That would be a fair compromise in my opinion to both the player base and to CCP.
The only exception would be for any faction ship such as pirate and navy ships. They should always retain their unique iconic scheme for consistency.
Pricing is a difficult issue, but I think there should be some sort of method just so that it makes sense to players. In general the trend should be that the larger the class of ship the more expensive the scheme. At the moment there are some extreme examples of frigates costing as much as a capital ship skin which I think is what some people are disliking. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
268
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:37:09 -
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Zappity wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game. Regarding the lore angle, why would capsuleers really care about licensing conditions imposed by corporations? Especially in this instance where the tech was stolen in the first place.
Hilarious entitlement logic. Isn't what I want and how I want it, clearly the company isn't doing it right.
Regarding the lore angle, so you paint your car a new color every day?
Lore wise, capsuleers are kept in check by CONCORD. No shooting planets with our titans. No shooting planets with anything except specialized ammo in very limited situations. No ramming our ships into stations. No killing CONCORD. No capsuleer creation of BPOs or unlimited BPCs, no capsuleer copying of faction BPCs. Does everything make sense, lore wise? Hell no. But that doesn't mean they should chuck everything lore-related out.
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Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
220
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:47:03 -
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I think there's nothing wrong with frigate skins being expensive, a lot of players exclusively fly frigates and this doesn't mean that they're poor, but some of the prices are a little ridiculous for what they are so.... how about keeping high prices and making the skins universal licenses, but only actually possible to apply to ships they've passed QA on, so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue.
I may or may not be saying this partly because I wish I could fly quafe catalysts and megathrons but I do think that players are more likely to buy SKINs this way. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2113
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:59:23 -
[218] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Just give 'em what they want. Everything. All ships, all colors. Then charge $600.00 for it. Cash. No PLEX option and can't be sold on the market. I look forward to the threadnaught following that announcement. Mr Epeen
What's bad is how many of us would go 'Take our money goddamit' for a universal 'Any skin, any ship' license.....
To never ever have to worry again....
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
57
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:00:45 -
[219] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue.
Did you just buy the quafe Tristan by any chance..?
Nice try there. *winks* |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2113
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:06:10 -
[220] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:
OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
On further thought and possibly changing my mind from what I said earlier.
Skins for racial lines.
As mentioned by another poster....
'X skin for X Race.' With possible Cap & Subcap splits.
So Gallente Quafe/Khanid Amarr etc.
I'd be fine with a restriction based on QA also as long as it was a clear note that 'Skin not yet finished QA process, preview in fitting window only' So that right now I might only have 3 or 4 ships it works on but over time that unlocks further.
At that point the current prices of $20ish probably work pretty well.
However I would not be afraid of releasing temporary skins in game. If I can pay cash/Aur for the permanent skins or LP/Isk in game for temporary skins, that's even more ideal as it allows people to get it any way they want, but ensures that the in game sources will never end up too devalued.
Also Kill Mails need to show the skinned ship, and list it as an 'object' so Kill Mails still show off blingy skins.
But yea.
TLDR
1 license = entire racial line.
Temporary skins in game that match permanent aur skins are fine.
Kill mails must show skins. |
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Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
220
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:10:40 -
[221] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue. Did you just buy the quafe Tristan by any chance..? Nice try there. *winks*
Tristan and Vexor as it happens, just because I don't think anyone can make the current Dominix model look good. |
Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
220
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:12:38 -
[222] - Quote
Also please push a SKIN, any SKIN that actually looks good, through QA for the Thrasher. The options there are completely unappealing. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
57
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:21:22 -
[223] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue. Did you just buy the quafe Tristan by any chance..? Nice try there. *winks* Tristan and Vexor as it happens, just because I don't think anyone can make the current Dominix model look good.
Yes, but when they finally release this new dominix model that shouldn't be an issue as the concepts of it look great.
But on topic, whatever they do they need to not annoy the people who have already invested in skins. If you check the market people have paid billions for the Quafe battleships, so obviously you cant compare that with a Tristan which is only 200mil at the moment. |
Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
220
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:26:18 -
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Stuff gets devalued in games sometimes, that's fine. Just make the announcement ahead of time and we have no excuse. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
57
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:31:26 -
[225] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:Stuff gets devalued in games sometimes, that's fine. Just make the announcement ahead of time and we have no excuse.
Indeed, if you want a great way to undermine confidence in a new system and to make sure that people who have bought into it never purchase another skin again then you've hit the nail on the head with your suggestion.
*chuckles* |
Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
220
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:34:39 -
[226] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:Stuff gets devalued in games sometimes, that's fine. Just make the announcement ahead of time and we have no excuse. Indeed, if you want a great way to undermine confidence in a new system and to make sure that people who have bought into it never purchase another skin again then you've hit the nail on the head with your suggestion. *chuckles*
I am suggesting not changing the AUR price of any SKINs available in the NES by even 1%. I only used Quafe as an example because I like that SKIN on ships which aren't the Dominix. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31365
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:40:03 -
[227] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
For starters, I would like to see the Faction and Megacorporation color schemes available on each and every hull.
The NES would be a wall of selection, so I'd have to view by hull or by faction color and then ship class and then race.
Even knowing that one set of colors can SKIN everything, I would be willing to pay microtransaction costs for the right to enable it on one hull. I would probably not want to see the price of a "SKIN every hull" license, though you could offer it for a slight discount compared to the total SKIN cost of every hull. Someone would buy it, and no one would get upset at the price, because it's a discount on prices they're OK with.
Rough estimate, there are how many base hull models in EVE? 100? Each one should be max $2.50, which means if I want a SKIN license that works on all ships, it would be $250.00 But keep in mind I'm a little more loose with disposable income. It should realistically be more like $1.00 per hull per color scheme.
It needs to work according to base hull, so Vexor / VNI / Ishtar etc for one SKIN, with the exception of bombers and other special snowflakes. Priced slightly less just for being unique and having less variations per hull? Perhaps not?
By Guristas colors, and any set of Faction / Megacorporation colors, I would get to buy it for microtransaction cost on:
Your pod
Crucifier
Executioner
Inquisitor
Magnate
Punisher
Tormentor
Bantam
Condor
Griffin
Heron
Kestrel
Merlin
Atron
Imicus
Incursus
Maulus
Navitas
Tristan
Breacher
Burst
Probe
Rifter
Slasher
Vigil
Venture
Each bomber
Arbitrator
Augoror
Maller
Omen
Blackbird
Caracal
Moa
Osprey
Celestis
Exequoror
Thorax
Vexor
Bellicose
Rupture
Scythe
Stabber
Coercer
Dragoon
Corax
Cormorant
Algos
Catalyst
Talwar
Thrasher
Orca (Serpentis Orca whaat)
Harbinger
Oracle
Prophecy
Drake
Ferox
Naga
Brutix
Myrmidon
Talos
Cyclone
Hurricane
Tornado
Abaddon
Apocalypse
Armageddon
Raven
Rokh
Scorpion
Dominix
Hyperion
Megathron
Maelstrom
Tempest
Typhoon
Archon
Aeon
Thanatos
Nyx
Nidhoggur
Hel
Chimera
Wyvern
Revelation
Moros
Naglfar
Phoenix
Avatar
Erebus
Ragnarok
Leviathan
Rorqual
Providence
Charon
Obelisk
Fenrir
Bowhead
The industrials and others (I won't list them, but I counted, there are 23 more including rookie ships and shuttles)
125 possible hulls that each color scheme can be applied to, which means it would also apply to the T2.
one by one, $1.00 to $2.50 max.
For a just-to-offer-it-for-publicity and irl ballers (and really special occasions like AT), a SKIN-every-ship license for single hull price x 125, so ranging from $125 - $312.50 to have a Serpentis license to SKIN everything. I suggest discounting that SKIN-everything license to $250.
75,000 AUR per color scheme total, discounted to something like 60,000 AUR for a SKIN everything license.
I already know I would gift one to Commissar Kate per year at Christmas time. It will be a trickle, but they will sell and again, no one will resent you for it when the individual ships are available a la carte. (Right now all I can get Kate is things like annuals, but we're about to not need to pay irl money to play EVE ;-)
You'd make it into the news when players lose one. It costs as much as a physical new PS4 or XBox One. And that will be okay.
Yes people wear $1,000.00 jeans but good god, we like to lounge around in Wal Mart tee shirts and shorts a lot too.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2299
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:42:10 -
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To me the problem with only having skins available for T1 hulls is that I don't fly any T1 hulls that I'd consider a vanity project.
The only time I ever use a T1 hull is when I consider them disposable junk that I don't care about getting blown up.
The stuff I'd actually want to spend AUR putting skins on is my T2/3 and faction hulls that I actually like. Spending 2000 AUR to reskin an omen doesn't interest me at all, it's an absurd investment for an entirely cosmetic change to a ship that I don't really care about. Essentially there's no point in looking fancy if I can't do it in a ship that is actually fancy.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31365
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:43:33 -
[229] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:To me the problem with only having skins available for T1 hulls is that I don't fly any T1 hulls that I'd consider a vanity project.
Yeah, this. Check my accounts, and my characters... no SKINs applied, mainly because nothing T2 is available, and I fly T2 nowadays.
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Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:15:06 -
[230] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
You could sell an all-in-one skin pack for all subcap ships (t2-t3 included) of a certain color for 6300 AUR (like kador all-in-one, khanid all-in-one, etc.) and selling skin packs for ship classes with a prices like these:
500 AUR - frigate pack
1000 AUR - destroyer pack
1500 AUR - cruiser pack
2000 AUR - BC pack
2500 AUR - BS pack.
Total: 7500 AUR
Buying them individually should cost more (7500) comparing to all-in-one pack (6300). That would stimulate the customer to buy the all-in-one. Skins for capital ships are currently good priced. They should cost a lot (ranging 3500-6300 AUR).
Also you should go for "unique" skins like that chinese scorpion or armageddon (my love) with custom paint job (not just changed colors). Those skins should be sold "per ship" (like the system we currently have)
1000 AUR - frigate unique skin
1500 AUR - destroyer unique skin
2250 AUR - cruiser unique skin
2750 AUR - BC unique skin
3500 AUR - BS unique skin
5500 AUR - dread unique skin
6300 AUR - carrier unique skin
7500 AUR - titan/mothership unique skin
I would buy any skin with these prices if the paint job was really unique and refreshing.
Personally with this bug I love flying a khanid confessor, it looks great (and lorewise correct). |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31366
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:32:03 -
[231] - Quote
Woops, I forgot I converted two PLEX for an Archon SKIN for Kate and a Nidhoggur SKIN for myself. Did it just to participate in the hype over the rollout, but it was underwhelming.
Instead of having to refund any purchases that were already made, you could do what you did the first time around and make those never available again. It was crazy the first time and also valid in this situation to excuse such a drastic reset of pricing.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
91
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:17:05 -
[232] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
I will quote myself
Nana Skalski wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:
Out of curiosity... what would you define as overpriced?
I will try to answer this question, comparing SKIN system to a cosmetic clothing system in LOTRO. In LOTRO you can buy cosmetic bundles that make you only look different, no stat changes. I will take full bundle of such items that can be used for multiple characters on your LOTRO account, and compare it in relation to SKIN system. Clothing items in LOTRO are indestructible and permanent, they can't be damaged and lost if you don't want it (you can always trash them), but they can't be traded, but TP can be acquired thru playing LOTRO, so its like ISK grinding!. EVE SKIN's could be lost, by a gank especially, and lost items are non tradable, what makes it in my eyes EVE-rough as for an item bought for real money. In this light, EVE SKIN would have disadvantage (overpriced) when priced more than clothing in LOTRO, because they can be lost even when you don't want it.
- Turbine Points are roughly 100 TP = 1 EUR for the smallest amount you can buy and you get 600 turbine points.
Full bundle of clothing items is priced 1295 TP. That is roughly 13 EUR.
- 13 EUR for SKIN that can be equipped permenently on every ship in EVE
- For "store exclusives" cosmetic clothing in LOTRO you have to give 295 TP = 3 EUR, and they consist only of one slot item: hat, boots, hauberk, or something like that.
- "Only one ship of a kind (frigate, cruiser, ...) EVE SKIN", 3 EUR for something like that would have to be.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
5059
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:32:50 -
[233] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
I would expect you would get buyers if you offered the following service:
10 PLEX: Submit an alliance-specific custom skin (colour scheme, alliance logo appears somewhere on the hull if technically possible). All alliance members could use it and your alliance is deemed to own the skin (in-game, not in terms of real-world copyright).
5 PLEX: Your alliance may use the skin designed by another alliance, if you have their permission.
As for me personally - I play on minimum settings and so have no interest in buying skins unless they manage to be both hilarious and not immersion breaking.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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Rob Kashuken
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
72
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:35:32 -
[234] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:
Comparison with LOTRO
As an aside, with LOTRO, paid membership also gives a monthly allocation (500) of their Turbine Points (equivalent concept to Aurum, different execution) per month of membership, as well as additional TP based in packs at certain price points. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
5059
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:35:34 -
[235] - Quote
One more thing I'd like to see - permanent skins available from COSMOS missions.
Yes, some of these (from highsec COSMOS missions) will quickly become worth very little. But some might remain desired.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
2027
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:42:40 -
[236] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Zappity wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun. Hilarious CCP logic. Enormously fun, clearly doesn't fit in our game. Regarding the lore angle, why would capsuleers really care about licensing conditions imposed by corporations? Especially in this instance where the tech was stolen in the first place. Hilarious entitlement logic. Isn't what I want and how I want it, clearly the company isn't doing it right. Rubbish. It is nothing to do with entitlement. The devs had a great time playing with a really cool feature. And chose not to implement it. If it is such a winner, why not make it so? That's the only point I am making.
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Regarding the lore angle, so you paint your car a new color every day? If it had an automatic system by which I could do so, yes.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
1336
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:45:08 -
[237] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
Ok i will take you up on that.
First every skin on every ship does work with that recent lore trailer with disguises and everything.
However, skins that behave like that need to be in a size category not a specific ship category.
Example
Gallente quafe frigate
Gallente quafe cruiser.
Since you are getting multiple ships with one skin i would expect to pay a median range price for each ship range. So the more ships it affects the higher the price, the fewer ships it effects the lower the price. So in this case for quafe, frigates would cost teh most, where battle ships and destroyers would cost the least as they affect the least amount of ships by size category.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
2027
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:47:28 -
[238] - Quote
An annoyance I have with the whole system is that I rarely actually look to my ship. Would it be possible to get a window-in-window view of my ship when zoomed out for a tactical view? That would be really useful to see ship effects, too.
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Onslaughtor
Occult National Security
Phoenix Naval Systems
119
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:51:16 -
[239] - Quote
I have been playing with the bug and it has been some of the most fun I have had with a single feature in eve.. no joke. Its such a beautiful game and some skins just let that shine in ways that nothing I have seen does. At first I was feeling that some of the justification around lore was valid.. but as I kept playing and took my Serpentis skinned Sleipner out on a roam I was convinced that you have to have all skins for all ships even if they are just a color scheme change and not a pattern. I am a role player. Lore means a lot to me. But I canGÇÖt get over the sight of my alts each having a different paint on the same ship to match their race. Its like an unrealized dream.
So my sale strategy is go all out and let every skin currently out affect every hull as a simple color swap like they are mostly now. Sell patterned skins as a pack, ie like how the Sukuuvestaa is on some ships. Sell the individuals only if they are super special like the YC117 skins that I see you have hidden.
My price range around be based around how intense the skin is. ::Using US dollars:: All the gold and silver shiny ones with patterns would of course cost the most but at most 30$ where more plain and flat skins would cost at least 10$. These of course go to all ships. The limited pattern skins that only affect some ships would be in the 5$ to 20$ range based on how many and the quality of the skins. The ultra rare would be about the same based on how sweet it is.
Finally if QA is a serious problem, my solution is to make a chart. That can be accessed in game that has all QA tested ships and skin comboGÇÖs. Any that donGÇÖt fall on this fall under the rules that CCP currently has up for the bug, and a warning is issued on using it.
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Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2015.05.04 07:54:46 -
[240] - Quote
Leo Burnhart wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table. You could sell an all-in-one skin pack for all subcap ships (t2-t3 included) of a certain color for 6300 AUR (like kador all-in-one, khanid all-in-one, etc.) and selling skin packs for ship classes with a prices like these: 500 AUR - frigate pack 1000 AUR - destroyer pack 1500 AUR - cruiser pack 2000 AUR - BC pack 2500 AUR - BS pack. Total: 7500 AUR Buying them individually should cost more (7500) comparing to all-in-one pack (6300). That would stimulate the customer to buy the all-in-one. Skins for capital ships are currently good priced. They should cost a lot (ranging 3500-6300 AUR). Also you should go for "unique" skins like that chinese scorpion or armageddon (my love) with custom paint job (not just changed colors). Those skins should be sold "per ship" (like the system we currently have) 1000 AUR - frigate unique skin 1500 AUR - destroyer unique skin 2250 AUR - cruiser unique skin 2750 AUR - BC unique skin 3500 AUR - BS unique skin 5500 AUR - dread unique skin 6300 AUR - carrier unique skin 7500 AUR - titan/mothership unique skin I would buy any skin with these prices if the paint job was really unique and refreshing. Personally with this bug I love flying a khanid confessor, it looks great (and lorewise correct).
If we must by them by hull size, i would agree with this post, and could see myself buying a few skins.
I still would rather have the skins be simply sold by their livery/faction and apply to ALL ships. It sure would shorten the aurum store list and make choosing your colors quick and easy. Since all skins arent tested on all ships yet (blood raiders on the victory yacht is interesting), just sell the skins with a warning, that they dont display properly on all ships. CCP can get around to adjusting specific problems in the future, and in the meantime, we get to enjoy our new colors.
I would be willing to pay up to 2 plex for an unlimited skin I can use on anything.
As far as restrictions due to lore, I can see Empire Faction or Faction Corp colors only being allowed on that race of ships. So Sarum livery only on amarr ships. However, I believe PIRATE livery should be unlimited and usable on ANY ship. Pirates would use any ship they pleased and care nothing for empire faction rules.
Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
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Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.05.04 08:41:11 -
[241] - Quote
I don't wanna see my Wiyrkomi ships going! The skin fits just perfect on any hulls.
Wiyrkomi Stabber: http://i.imgur.com/szAfg6Z.jpg
Wiyrkomi Brutix Navy Issue: http://i.imgur.com/QGnkGer.jpg
Wiyrkomi Damnation: http://i.imgur.com/UZh6XbD.jpg
Wiyrkomi Ice Mackinaw: http://i.imgur.com/1Bb95GO.jpg
Wiyrkomi Onyx: http://i.imgur.com/6jScQrA.jpg
Wiykomi Tempest: http://i.imgur.com/75AkHwd.jpg
Wiyrkomi Anathema: http://i.imgur.com/cS6spCP.jpg
Wiyrkomi Barghest: http://i.imgur.com/mNk7OYz.jpg
Bonus! Guristas Hijacked Raven navy Issue: http://i.imgur.com/7oHxkQG.jpg |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31369
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Posted - 2015.05.04 08:54:02 -
[242] - Quote
Ever since I saw Guristas rats with those Ravens in missions, I've wanted one. One of my top five great white buffalos.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:00:06 -
[243] - Quote
chelly Dian wrote:I am referring to this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/34hvr9/psa_you_can_skin_any_ship_with_any_skin_blood/Apparently CCP has the means to allow us nice new skins on every ship in game. Let that sink in for a moment, any skin on any ship. While I do understand the argument of now allowing Sarum Ishtar, for lore reasons, why I cant use Vexor skin on Ishtar is beyond me. Or any other skin that is avalible on T1 ship to be used on T2 variant. Clearly that can be allowed today. It was allowed on SiSi. Guess they will squeez every cent out of skin system. Where you have to buy a skin for every T1 / T2 ship separately. With average price for a skin of 30$ And as far as I know skins stay on character , so when you sell a char you sell skins as well. That you paid a lot of RL money to own. This could be worse idea then monocle gate. Did we learn nothing from inside CCP PDF called - Greed is good ? http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf( By the way the PDF is legitimate. They did actually publish it in house ) Will we see yet another Hillmars apology and yet another dunk in player base, that never recovered from Incarna mistake. How many times do you have to make bad decisions to learn a lesson CCP ?
Monocle gate 2.0. Skins for ships meant something. It meant you payed a lot of in game isk, and risked losing that skin every time you undocked. Permanent skins means no more police comets on killmails, and everyone flies around looking like a police comet.
Skins make ships non-unique, less of a risk to fly a status symbol.
At least in WoW you don't pay 30$ to paint your character's hair color.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:01:16 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay.
Same was said about monocles. Didnt stop the rage.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31369
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:07:59 -
[245] - Quote
What I thought was surprising is the apparent looseness of the programming implementation. You have this broad, sweeping system which is a great idea, but then you didn't make the SKINs designated specifically for each ship. That's what the bug tells me, anyway.
I've known what the SKIN system could do ever since the picture was released of all those cruisers with the hundred + color variations. Being somewhat more astute than the average player, I understood what you were doing regarding pricing.
But what good does it do for just one person to try to change people's feels. But now everyone knows what I knew.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1625
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:13:42 -
[246] - Quote
Looked at my special hangar for 'special' ships.... Incursus, couple of Herons, Magnates, Catalysts.... At some point that hangar was used for 'special' ships.... 
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1638
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:39:19 -
[247] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
To quote from the old saying Of someone asking directions, "You don't want to start from here"
There is another way entirely to think about this.
The starting point is how much is actually spent on vanity items via the aurum store, and how does it compare with subscription income?
When one has something like the quafe skins, and the luxury yacht, it drives subscription and monthly payments. This is where the real money lies.
The other thing that would be desireable, is to encourage people to utilise, actively, their subscription, this makes for more people in space, and more interaction, and a more engaging game.
So my suggestion, is to rationalise the aurum prices to a reasonable and consistent level and reward players with aurum for activity.
The mechanics are for you to decide according to your systems, but jumps, light years travelled, use of wepaons/mods/lasers etc would provide a good metric.
Focus on your core competency, which is your subscription model, and your core resource, the playerbase. And abandon this marketing wet dream, that everyone else piles into like lemmings. And fails at.
Turn the Aurum store into a loyalty reward system, a reward for your active customers.
By all means, if it has a real value, still allow cash purchases, but only as a secondary goal.
You have an amazing product, focus on it, be proud of it, and stop trying to nickel and dime, unsuccessfully, your playerbase.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
5
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:40:25 -
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Here is a bit of black/silver hulls =)
Khanid stratios
http://c2n.me/3h94qfA
Khanid confessor
http://c2n.me/3h94EdB
Khanid garmur
http://c2n.me/3h95MzD |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2820
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Posted - 2015.05.04 10:18:00 -
[249] - Quote
13kr1d1 wrote:Kerena Alabel wrote:Reddit has a habit of overreacting to things. SKINS have zero gameplay effects, no missions require the use of them. CCP is a company. A for profit company . They want some more profits. What a surprise said nobody with a brain. Lets not act like raving lunatics over something that literally has zero effect on gameplay. Same was said about monocles. Didnt stop the rage.
Monocles were a WiS feature that is why they got so much rage, ship SKINs however are not they are part of where players spend the vast majority of there time.
Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
400
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Posted - 2015.05.04 10:18:27 -
[250] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
About $1 for a frigate, $5 for a battleship.
Although honestly I would rather you hadn't bothered with AUR at all and instead gone with temporary skins for ISK to get another sink for the in-game economy going.
You guys seem to be going straight for the whales. I'm guessing you have convincing data to support that strategy. But to me it seems a little weird. |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31371
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Posted - 2015.05.04 10:44:36 -
[251] - Quote
Ravcharas wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table. About $1 for a frigate, $5 for a battleship. Although honestly I would rather you hadn't bothered with AUR at all and instead gone with temporary skins for ISK to get another sink for the in-game economy going. You guys seem to be going straight for the whales. I'm guessing you have convincing data to support that strategy. But to me it seems a little weird.
Pricing it by ship class is very lopsided, and I strongly disagree with that idea. It's the type of subjective "cool factor" call that the pricing system is already guilty of. Compared to a set microtransaction price for one SKIN regardless of hull, varied pricing will miss players' perceived value by being high or low. A character can only pilot one ship at one time. For that reason just make it the same basic price no matter what hull or color.
You'll also miss out on sales by virtue of some ship classes being more popular than others. People who know better realize that smaller is more fun / has better stats compared to mass and sig radius, and cost. You'd be reinforcing that by making smaller ship classes cheaper to SKIN. Then you start affecting game balance with NES prices.
So yeah, that part is a bad idea.
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
400
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:04:41 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Pricing it by ship class is very lopsided, and I strongly disagree with that idea. It's the type of subjective "cool factor" call that the pricing system is already guilty of. Compared to a set microtransaction price for one SKIN regardless of hull, varied pricing will miss players' perceived value by being high or low. A character can only pilot one ship at one time. For that reason just make it the same basic price no matter what hull or color.
You'll also miss out on sales by virtue of some ship classes being more popular than others. People who know better realize that smaller is more fun / has better stats compared to mass and sig radius, and cost. You'd be reinforcing that by making smaller ship classes cheaper to SKIN. Then you start affecting game balance with NES prices.
So yeah, that part is a bad idea.
Fair enough, I suppose. Anyway, that's my price range for vanity things in a subscription based game. And I actually think I'm being quite generous with it, too. So make it $1 tops for a base skin and $5 for a "limited" edition I simply must have because of nerd-lust reasons. |
Fabulous Visage
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:10:12 -
[253] - Quote
http://imgur.com/yY2W7xh
Time to burn down a monument!
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Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:10:47 -
[254] - Quote
Aaaand FIXED xD |
Leanden
Kimotoro Company
The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:17:25 -
[255] - Quote
Fabulous Visage wrote:http://imgur.com/yY2W7xh
Time to burn down a monument!
GG, CCP
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Aelyras Altol
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
12
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:26:35 -
[256] - Quote
Bunch of my ships still have the "special" skins after the patch, it appears to not have reverted any ship stored in a sma.
http://puu.sh/hAZ7A/ea2e8429ff.jpg |
Skalie
417th Cavalry
5
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:28:19 -
[257] - Quote
Hmm.... Priorities eh!
Shame you cannot fix the bugs with Mac client and 2 factor authentication etc as quick as quickly as you fixed the skins.
This and the length of time it takes to answer a service ticket ,speaks volumes about your customer focus CCP. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1639
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:31:26 -
[258] - Quote
CCP had to fix this at the earliest opportunity. They really had no choice.
However things once seen cannot be unseen.
They would be making a serious error of judgement if they chose to pretend it has not happened, and tried to continue without significant changes to their philosophy/marketing judgements.
I am sure many realise this, however whether wise heads prevail, is at this point uncertain.
It will be a tragedy if such amazing efforts and gains by CCP recently are undone for so little short term reward, and long term loss of income.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Gorski Car
567
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:39:34 -
[259] - Quote
rip best feature
Collect this post
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Leanden
Kimotoro Company
The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:49:43 -
[260] - Quote
Thanks to the latest "Fix" all my ships are now transparent in the fitting window, so i can see the ship skeleton and hard points through the ship itself. |
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
129
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:55:52 -
[261] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
Have ship skins and color schemes.
Time limited and permanent ship skins that can only be applied to a certain ship that is based off of lore and consistent with the universe and offer time limited and permanent color schemes that resemble the skins but don't have logos that can be applied to any ship.
This would let players choose. Do I want a Police Comet or do I want an Nightmare that has the same type of appearance but without logos. I agree that the lore aspect is important and that it needs to be consistent but CCP also needs to consider the people that pay no attention to lore.
There is a huge opportunity here and being too conservative could cost a lot of money. I think skins limited by time shouldn't cost more than five or six dollars and color schemes should be three or four. I would pay more for a particular faction because I want that faction's logo but if I just like the colors without the logos it should cost less. Think brand name and generic, very similar products but one has a name you're paying for.
Permanent skins should around $15 and color schemes should be around $10. I would love to have a Blood Raider Prospect but the most I am going to pay for a permanent skin is around $15 but if I could get a similar color scheme that I could put on my Prospect or Algos I would pay $10, no problem. The scheme wouldn't have the logos or the exact pattern but it would be close enough for me to enjoy it. Keep skins within lore but allow color schemes on any ship.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Memphis Baas
373
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Posted - 2015.05.04 12:27:35 -
[262] - Quote
Burl en Daire wrote:There is a huge opportunity here and being too conservative could cost a lot of money. This is what frustrates me; it looks as if the devs have fallen into the trap that is EVE's potential. Newbies spin their ships in their hangars training skills and imagining just how great it will be when they finally have the skills to pilot PVP ships and finally undock and go kill everyone, and the veterans keep telling them "don't wait, PVP now!"
Now the devs have this skin system but are trying to trickle it out, thinking of all the potential money they can make once we're hooked, when every other MMO and every marketing tutorial out there would scream "release it now and make your money, then come up with upgrades and make more money, then invent something else and make even more money."
The NES store has a few outfits, all overpriced, following the same marketing strategy and lack of effort to expand product lines and sales. I'm not sure if they're happy with how the NES is performing.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1639
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Posted - 2015.05.04 12:46:23 -
[263] - Quote
Burl en Daire wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table. Have ship skins and color schemes. Time limited and permanent ship skins that can only be applied to a certain ship that is based off of lore and consistent with the universe and offer time limited and permanent color schemes that resemble the skins but don't have logos that can be applied to any ship. This would let players choose. Do I want a Police Comet or do I want an Nightmare that has the same type of appearance but without logos. I agree that the lore aspect is important and that it needs to be consistent but CCP also needs to consider the people that pay no attention to lore. There is a huge opportunity here and being too conservative could cost a lot of money. I think skins limited by time shouldn't cost more than five or six dollars and color schemes should be three or four. I would pay more for a particular faction because I want that faction's logo but if I just like the colors without the logos it should cost less. Think brand name and generic, very similar products but one has a name you're paying for. Permanent skins should around $15 and color schemes should be around $10. I would love to have a Blood Raider Prospect but the most I am going to pay for a permanent skin is around $15 but if I could get a similar color scheme that I could put on my Prospect or Algos I would pay $10, no problem. The scheme wouldn't have the logos or the exact pattern but it would be close enough for me to enjoy it. Keep skins within lore but allow color schemes on any ship.
Very interesting, may I ask how many skins you would be willing to pay these sums for?
You are clearly someone who has declared oneself a customer for this product, it would be valuable to see what income CCP could earn from customers such as yourself as opposed to the income generated by the subscription model and using the skin technology to drive that.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:03:15 -
[264] - Quote
they have fixed the bug ... and nothing more.
Ok now, i know CCP think his player are just money Cow .
Don't let them **** us like that. There is no eason at all to pay more Aurum (real money) for a frig skin than a cruser skin or titan if they have the same color and patern, and not so mush price diference btw !
Somthing more interesting, they have change some Skin price without notification :) and that not for help us, because the "Maller Kador Skin" was at 1955 Aurum, (just 5 more Aurum than we can buy with 10Gé¼ , funny, and now they are a 1965, maybe for not being so noticabale as a trap ?
the Titan Skin have heavyer price too, i don't notice every difference, but CCP isn't clear !
They know we can apply a color with "one" skin on every ship, but we have to pay for each ship ... Money Money Money !!!
CCP don't care about his pmayer now, they just think we have money to burn, and we didn't deserve explication of price history. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
416
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:03:58 -
[265] - Quote
Logged in this morning to no more Quafe Confessor. Needless to say I'm disappointed.
But most of all I'm a target consumer who feels rather burned.
We know what the system can do, but CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. We've been given no long term plants for how the system will be used. No explanation for the random pricing. No indication that they will offer us what we want from this "glitch" that clearly showed that as players we don't want Lore and an excuse to not let us paint our ships however we want, or at least however existing skins would permit.
Now I invested in Aurum before the patch happened. And I have a stack of almost all the SKIN's that existed before the system changed, less the Scorp and some ships I didn't care for. But now I'm not planning to invest anymore. I'm someone who would gladly pay for skins for ships I use regularly.. and for ships I don't just to collect, but I'm not spending any more on this system till CCP either Delivers, like the bug did, or provides some feedback beyond "Ya we thought that was fun" and "Lore says no.."
The lack of feedback over a bug that's caused more excitement in Eve than I've seen in a long time boggles my mind. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1391
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:09:46 -
[266] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it.
Please don't infer anything from this. Not every developer engages on the forums the same way.
I'll quote CCP Falcon's post on Reddit:
CCP Falcon wrote:As we said over the weekend, and fix for this was inevitable given the fact that it was unintended and was clearly a bug.
We have however learned a lot from what people have been doing with SKINs over the weekend, and we actually have a meeting set up this afternoon to talk about where to go from here and talk more about strategy for skins in the future.
While the bug has been patched out, we've gathered a lot of valuable feedback over the course of the weekend, and will be talking about it and considering it going forward :)
Source
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1639
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:11:32 -
[267] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Logged in this morning to no more Quafe Confessor. Needless to say I'm disappointed.
But most of all I'm a target consumer who feels rather burned.
We know what the system can do, but CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. We've been given no long term plants for how the system will be used. No explanation for the random pricing. No indication that they will offer us what we want from this "glitch" that clearly showed that as players we don't want Lore and an excuse to not let us paint our ships however we want, or at least however existing skins would permit.
Now I invested in Aurum before the patch happened. And I have a stack of almost all the SKIN's that existed before the system changed, less the Scorp and some ships I didn't care for. But now I'm not planning to invest anymore. I'm someone who would gladly pay for skins for ships I use regularly.. and for ships I don't just to collect, but I'm not spending any more on this system till CCP either Delivers, like the bug did, or provides some feedback beyond "Ya we thought that was fun" and "Lore says no.."
The lack of feedback over a bug that's caused more excitement in Eve than I've seen in a long time boggles my mind.
The bug did clearly show that there was an interest in the idea of personalising ships beyond the current approved release.
Generating player interest is of course a valuable goal in a subscription based product.
However monetising interesting features is not going to have that desired effect, and in fact may have negative consequences to the overall product, if such features only enter the game through additional cash purchases.
If the feature was available to enter the game through player activity in the game,( as opposed to traded) as well as "whale" purchases, then both goals could be achieved.
It will be interesting to see whether this is a considered decision, or a power struggle between different departments.
Hopefully in the long term both the player community and CCP will be the winners.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:13:33 -
[268] - Quote
Sniper Smith, same there, i am like you.
I cant understand what CCP doing, they have a bug who make EvE more alive than a long time with a feature who was waiting since EvE Start, and they fix this without a word (and change come price on the store, not for good)
That like they want kill themself the game. Of course they will not really kill the game, but that like take all player dream, poo on them, and trash them with a smile and without a word, i don't understand.
And what is really disturbing, there is a clear way to solve everything, many many player ask for universal patern and are abale to paye the cost of Titan skin for this, and that a clear and obvius idea. We can, in the game with the previus bug, apply a color on a ship with an other ship but same patern color, and that work as we have the real Skin for this ship, So why individual skin ?
And why so many diferent price for same ship ? black is cool so more expensive ? com'on |
Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:15:17 -
[269] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. Please don't infer anything from this. Not every developer engages on the forums the same way. I'll quote CCP Falcon's post on Reddit: CCP Falcon wrote:As we said over the weekend, and fix for this was inevitable given the fact that it was unintended and was clearly a bug.
We have however learned a lot from what people have been doing with SKINs over the weekend, and we actually have a meeting set up this afternoon to talk about where to go from here and talk more about strategy for skins in the future.
While the bug has been patched out, we've gathered a lot of valuable feedback over the course of the weekend, and will be talking about it and considering it going forward :) Source
Have you done a meeting for uping the ship price too ? or that a punishement ?
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:16:04 -
[270] - Quote
mystake, delete, sorry. |
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Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:26:00 -
[271] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. Please don't infer anything from this. Not every developer engages on the forums the same way. I'll quote CCP Falcon's post on Reddit: CCP Falcon wrote:As we said over the weekend, and fix for this was inevitable given the fact that it was unintended and was clearly a bug.
We have however learned a lot from what people have been doing with SKINs over the weekend, and we actually have a meeting set up this afternoon to talk about where to go from here and talk more about strategy for skins in the future.
While the bug has been patched out, we've gathered a lot of valuable feedback over the course of the weekend, and will be talking about it and considering it going forward :) Source
Well, it would be great if you give the community at least some of the decisions that will be made on that meeting. That would at least calm the people and gave us something to look for.
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Memphis Baas
373
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:50:51 -
[272] - Quote
I'm sure they'll put out a dev blog.
We can't "not let them treat us this way"; what are we going to do, shoot space statues? It's a seller / customer relationship, the only possible way forward is for them to put out whatever product they feel is appropriate at whatever price, and for us to buy or not buy, individually. You don't go yelling at Walmart for raising their prices, or at the gas station attendant for the same. |
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
129
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:52:19 -
[273] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Very interesting, may I ask how many skins you would be willing to pay these sums for?
You are clearly someone who has declared oneself a customer for this product, it would be valuable to see what income CCP could earn from customers such as yourself as opposed to the income generated by the subscription model and using the skin technology to drive that.
With the prices around what I was saying I would probably try out some time limited color schemes till I found a few a like and then go for the permanent ones. I would guess I would probably spend $10 - $15 every couple of months. Which is double what I spend now. I may by a PLEX every 4 months as it is now, just for the extra ISK because of my limited time in game.
In my eyes they need to aim for volume. I might even change it to all color schemes are time based and all skins are permanent. With a lower price point I would much more willing to buy cosmetic items. Micro transactions stop being mirco around $5 to me and the point of micro transactions is to make money from volume.
I am much more interested in making my ships look how I want over having a particular ship look a certain way. To me, they don't need to be DL or Blood Raider but I do want a black Astero, Hulk or Algos.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8018
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:58:16 -
[274] - Quote
Spawn of The Dark Gods of the past.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
416
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:19:20 -
[275] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. Please don't infer anything from this. Not every developer engages on the forums the same way. I'll quote CCP Falcon's post on Reddit: CCP Falcon wrote:As we said over the weekend, and fix for this was inevitable given the fact that it was unintended and was clearly a bug.
We have however learned a lot from what people have been doing with SKINs over the weekend, and we actually have a meeting set up this afternoon to talk about where to go from here and talk more about strategy for skins in the future.
While the bug has been patched out, we've gathered a lot of valuable feedback over the course of the weekend, and will be talking about it and considering it going forward :) Source
I don't mean to imply that they aren't reading, or listening. But they aren't engaging. And I give a huge kudos for you for doing so, even if I don't always agree with your assessments :) Even a once a day post by the devs in charge of this, with a response to some questions, or their thoughts on what's been said, would in my opinion be Hugely beneficial to all.
In my experience the best changes in Eve happens in Dev's get engaged with the players in the topic at hand. I'd rather hear, now, what the devs are thinking. Then we can provide feedback.. a Yay/Nay. Rather than us vent, they read, come to a conclusion, and implement it, followed by another thread like this cause we still have issues.
It's one thing if something isn't done the way I want cause the Dev's feel that their way is the best. It's a WHOLE other if thinks aren't done because they didn't consider or were never exposed to counter arguments.
If CCP could have just implemented this bug as a feature on Sisi, and left it for a month, imagine how much Data they would have got? What ships to we fly, what skins do we want, how do we want to mix and match? They would quickly have learned that our interest in skins do NOT limit themselves to racial lines. I mean they should have got the picture when we figured out the WebGL Ship Viewer and started mixing and matching there, but test server would likely give better info. Hell, even better, do it on TQ for a week. Any ship. Any skin. Free for all, lets get the data of what people want, then act on it. Not as a weekend bug that lets face it, many if not most players are totally unaware of, or unable to use cause they don't want to buy a Skin JUST for playing with the bug.
I get the performance issues with a few skins, those specific skins for specific models could be blacklisted. Finished skins can be indicated, with unfinished/optimized skins also indicated. Then let the players have a week at it. Imagine how much Hype that would have generated for the SKIN system? Not to mention all the data on what the Players wanted.
Even without all that, some feedback on what they long term goals are would be great. Is the plan to stick to skins applying to racial lines? If so, I'm not keen on it. As we have seen in this thread, and reddit, and in game, neither are a lot of other people. Is the plan to open it up so almost all skins are available for almost all models? Well if that's the long term goal, and the only reason it's not been implemented NOW is the QA issues mentioned before, then that's a totally different situation. I'd be far more forgiving in that case, and patient. Knowing that we are going to get there, so I can truly own a Quafe or Syndicate Marauder would make me thrilled.
Speaking or Marauders, there's been skins for them since Dec, that haven't been Seeded, and despite my bringing it up in almost every SKIN thread I've been in, no Dev seems willing to acknowledge them, much less let us know when we can expect to see them. I'm VERY Thankful that I didn't resub my alt for this SKIN update. I was going to originally, just to get her into a Quafe Kronos, which is one damn sexy skin, but decided to wait and see what what the prices would be. Imagine my surprise when I logged in to see that none of those new skins for Marauders were seeded at all. I can get the Chinese skins being added to the TQ DB, but why add other skins that haven't been seeded anywhere, on any server, and leave them for Months without a word? Even after there were several threads about them and the other skinned ships added ( Pirate Skins for normal BS's, Police Skins, etc..)
Anyway, there's my thoughts. |
Luna Le Fey
Old Spice Syndicate
Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:28:08 -
[276] - Quote
So just out of curiosity, how many people here wouldn't have bought any skins if it wasn't for the bug ?
Part of me was expecting to see my ships still skinned after the patch (small part) and I'm pretty annoyed that they have been reset because if it wasn't for the bug I wouldn't have given anything. I'd love to skin all of my ships the colours I wanted but I'm not going to pay the stupid prices that they're at now, I'd pay -ú2 per skin, MAYBE -ú5 for the bigger ships. The price that they're at right now is just so greedy, either once we buy one of the skins now allow us to fit that skin to any ship or drop the price.
I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a protest started yet, shooting at that poor monument that always wonders why everyone hates it. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
23439
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:34:43 -
[277] - Quote
The only thing that bugs me about all of this ...
... is how a company called Crowd Control Production ...
... didn't come up with the idea of doing this intentionally.
Because that would have been brilliant!
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Ripblade Falconpunch
Centurion Logistics
120
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:25:19 -
[278] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but here's my personal take on the skins.
The weekend bug was awesome, and if that was an actual feature then I might actually spend real money on skins.
That being said, there's not a single snowball's chance in hell that I will pay real money, at the current prices, for a skin that is locked to one single ship type.
That being said - if I could have the option to buy, say - S/M/L/XL skins that fit on any ship in their class, including Tier 2 ships - then I might be tempted. Think rig or module fitting, but with skins. I might even be ok with some that were locked to race - e.g. Amarr Sarum Medium Skin that fit on any Amarr ship in the same range that takes medium rigs. I could really care less if it has some kind of pixel corporation logo on it because of "lore" or whatever you call it - you can make those "lore" skins separate and give the majority of us who don't care about that stuff a variety of different colored skins that are a much better value for money and allow some personalization, and save the "lore" skins for special events or buddy deals or whatever.
TL;DR - classify skins by S/M/L/XL like everything else in the game and make them fit on ALL ships of the same level. I'd happily drop $10-15-20-25 for that.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:30:16 -
[279] - Quote
I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too.
To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them.
This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director.
We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.
All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8470
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:35:00 -
[280] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
As long as being on the same page includes not devaluing the 30+ Quafe skins I'm hanging on to, I don't much care what you come up with.
Mr Epeen
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
59
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:39:34 -
[281] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page As long as being on the same page includes not devaluing the 30+ Quafe skins I'm hanging on to, I don't much care what you come up with. Mr Epeen
On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?
Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.
I'm not asking for full details obviously. |
Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:53:00 -
[282] - Quote
they cant give you garanty.
The Quafe Vexor , Tristan and Dominix was for those who buy Fanfest Ticket.
The price was (of course) really heavy for those ship, and many people buyed them and sell them because they was limited for FanFest ticket only.
And after ... CCP give Free Tristan Quafe for 3 month subscription, one more vexor Quafe if 6month and dominix for years. Ok, i think there is just some player afect by the dominix, but without news about this, many player buyed a year of sub before this offer, i don't know if they have found some solution, refund or anything else, but i don't understand why CCP offer for Ticket , and virtual ticket, limited Ship skin, waiting and enjoy the money from those ticket, and after joking on the customer when offer those ticket gift in subscription gift .... what the hell ?
Simple, CCP didn't care, in 6 month CCP did so mush mystake, that obvius they just want money, and going into micro transaction process etc, maybe the new extension will be DLC soon ? i am kiding, but i am really afraid when i see what way CCP take |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Mildly Annoyed
3346
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:28:54 -
[283] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
OK, here goes.
A skin locked to one ship should cost less than that ship.
At the moment PLEX is 830 million or so, making 1 AURUM about 240,000 ISK. So I say a SKIN for a 24 million ISK ship should cost 100 AUR. A battleship at 230 million: 1000 AUR.
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Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:30:57 -
[284] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:
On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?
Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.
I'm not asking for full details obviously.
I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank.
I know I would pay 2bil for such a license.
Edit: Unless you invested into Qafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive
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Masao Kurata
Franchise Warfare
222
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:36:42 -
[285] - Quote
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8472
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:42:43 -
[286] - Quote
Charlie Firpol wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?
Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.
I'm not asking for full details obviously.
I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank. I know I would pay 2bil for such a license. Edit: Unless you invested into Qafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive
Wow. Two billion for a full set licence?
Six months from now, you won't get a Qafe Vexor for that, let alone one of the battleships. They'll be in the 5 to 15b range depending on the model.
No, CCP. Don't even think about touching unique ship skins. Or introducing color schemes close to them on the Tristan, Catalyst, Vexor, Dominix and Megathron.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23726
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:43:11 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.
Indeed, isn't "The value of your investment can go down as well as up" pretty much standard boilerplate in the real world?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
417
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:57:06 -
[288] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
Thanks for the response :)
But it would be nice, since as you said, everyone in CCP is on the same page, that you share the plans with us now. Before writing the Dev Blog, that way if WE aren't on the same page, we can have a healthy discussion about it, before any final decisions are made. I mean why wait a week for a dev blog that could (potentially) leave the issue as divided then as it is now, when you guys can give us a run down now, and we can talk it out. It's not like I want specifics, I'm not saying we need dates, Aurum numbers, etc for everything. But a general idea of the direction that is being taken. Even something as simple as "We plan to make most skins available for all ships" (or not) which is probably the biggest issue at the moment. Pricing is another issue, but lets be honest, there will be fewer complaints about price, if there was (or will soon be) a greater variety of skins such that we truly can have our ships look the way we want, even if "lore" wise it's not the way the companies or Empires would prefer lol.
Additionally, this bug has created the greatest Hype for the SKIN's system. Even more than when it was announced, or released. Now is the time to engage us about it. Waiting a week only puts a damper on things. For sure it makes people less likey to spend on SKIN's cause they have no idea what the plans are next week. CCP, Ride the Hype Train. Keep the discussion up. Engage us while interest is at it's peak, and have an open discussion about what the plans are for the future, and what you've learned so far. As I see it, there's a 33% chance next week you'll say We're opening skins up to all hulls, 33% chance you'll say you guys are SOL Skins will stay by race, and 33% something inbetween.. (The last 1% is you only get skins for non-racial ships if you eat H+íkarl..).. With it all in the air, why would I spend any more on them? Why would I buy more Aurum? I wouldn't.
As you said, the Dev's are on the same page, so give us the table of contents so we know the direction being taken. We don't need the full rundown, point by point, or every change and plan, just the direction that you're planning. |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
33
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:38:04 -
[289] - Quote
Guys please, we all want shiny skins and all.
But please, don't push CCP to allow "out-of-Lore" skins.
I beg you really.
I don't want to see Sarum Hurricanes or Khanid Megathrons.
Even if i'd like to, i don't think that's a good thing for Eve.
But giving a Skin the possibility to be applied on a whole Class yes.
Like a "Frigate Khanid SKIN" applicable on all AMARR frigates ! (NOT Gallente, NOT Caldari, NOT Matari).
Instead of asking for this, ask for CCP to re-bend over what they show us on the 10th anniversary.
Yeah you know, that painting thing that we all waited for them to build a UI for ?
Remember ?
With this, anyone could make himself a skin, and apply it on any ship he wants.
It could even be tied to the corporation tabard (logo-thing) a one time painting, giving to all members a permanent SKIN, each time the CEO change it, the corporation-SKIN change (avoiding endless generation of various permanent SKIN).
But please, not for NPC Corp SKIN. I beg. |
Leo Burnhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
7
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:43:09 -
[290] - Quote
Cleanse Serce wrote:Guys please, we all want shiny skins and all.
But please, don't push CCP to allow "out-of-Lore" skins.
I beg you really.
I don't want to see Sarum Hurricanes or Khanid Megathrons.
Even if i'd like to, i don't think that's a good thing for Eve.
But giving a Skin the possibility to be applied on a whole Class yes.
Like a "Frigate Khanid SKIN" applicable on all AMARR frigates ! (NOT Gallente, NOT Caldari, NOT Matari).
Instead of asking for this, ask for CCP to re-bend over what they show us on the 10th anniversary.
Yeah you know, that painting thing that we all waited for them to build a UI for ?
Remember ?
With this, anyone could make himself a skin, and apply it on any ship he wants.
But please, not for NPC Corp SKIN. I beg.
Here is a quote from reddid by CCP falcon
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/34t9gm/confirmed_bug_fixed_skins_reset/cqy3n9m
Quote:I've been talking to the art guys today, given that I deal with a lot of lore for CCP.
We're all in agreement, and I think there's been a misunderstanding with regards to the lore stuff, specifically. Let's take the Sarum skin for example:
Sarum skins on Amarr ships with the red and gold paintjob and Sarum family logo - GREAT! Looks badass, strikes fear into the heart of minmatar everywhere. Job done.
Sarum skins on Gallente ships with the red and gold paintjob and Sarum family logo - Stupid idea from a lore position. Why would an imperial loyal family who think that amarr and everything about them, including their technology and way of life are superior to the rest of the cluster, put their family crest and colors on a sub-par hull? Makes no sense...
HOWEVER!
There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to say that you couldn't have a red and gold skin on a gallente ship, or a caldari ship, or a minmatar ship, that looks similar to a sarum hull but doesn't have the sarum family crest on the hull.
The only restriction right now for this is technical, based on how surfaces interact with light, eachother, the colors on them, and other such craziness. I've been talking to art, and Team Size Matters, and there'll be more information on this next week as I've said, and what the plan is going forward :) |
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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
33
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:48:08 -
[291] - Quote
^
Too late. :x |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
59
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:49:40 -
[292] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.
I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket.
If you come to me and buy a new car for -ú10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for -ú5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again.
Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
418
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:53:59 -
[293] - Quote
Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?
I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.
Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.
It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
418
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:56:14 -
[294] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it. I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket. If you come to me and buy a new car for -ú10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for -ú5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again. Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again.
Your logic is flawed. CCP never said they wouldn't release these skins again, or make them publicly available. CCP only promised for a Timed Exclusive. Just like those of use who got stuff from the Collectors Edition had. It's not CCP's problem, or fault, if you decided to gamble that they won't do something that will affect the price. |
Memphis Baas
373
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:03:28 -
[295] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:But it would be nice, since as you said, everyone in CCP is on the same page, that you share the plans with us now. Before writing the Dev Blog, that way if WE aren't on the same page, we can have a healthy discussion about it, before any final decisions are made.
The final decision has been made; that's what "we [at CCP] are all in agreement" means, we won't be able to change this decision.
My guess is that they'll allow whatever combination of colors regardless of lore, somehow, but they probably consider the NPC corporation logos and empire logos "lore" and want to remove them from the colors system. Maybe they implement colors now, and logos at a later date when they do player logos too.
And we won't get the blog until next week because they have to make sure it's feasible to code or change to this new system before they announce it and thus commit to it.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8473
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:05:09 -
[296] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it. I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket. If you come to me and buy a new car for -ú10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for -ú5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again. Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again.
It's more like if you sold that car with the promise it would be one of a limited run and then fired up the production line once it was sold.
This is how it would be if CCP messed with exclusive skins that were part of a limited run. One that people spent over a hundred dollars on or traveled to Iceland. CCP said do one of these things and we'll give you something that will never again be in the game.
They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they changed that. Next year when they are trying to shill one-year time packages, people will remember this and ignore them.
That is the simple reason you don't mess with exclusive skins.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
33
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:50:27 -
[297] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?
I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.
Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.
It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca.
If you want to make a comparison, it would more like having a BMW with an AUDI logo on it.
Whatever, CCP has decided anywa.
If you want to see our game with multicolor hulls everywhere and throw away any sense at all, go for it ! |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:04:28 -
[298] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?
Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.
I'm not asking for full details obviously.
I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank. I know I would pay 2bil for such a license. Edit: Unless you invested into Qafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive Wow. Two billion for a full set licence? Six months from now, you won't get a Qafe Vexor for that, let alone one of the battleships. They'll be in the 5 to 15b range depending on the model. No, CCP. Don't even think about touching unique ship skins. Or introducing color schemes close to them on the Tristan, Catalyst, Vexor, Dominix and Megathron. Mr Epeen
So when they change the SKINs into proper and actually useful licenses, what do you think you would THEN get for your stockpile? They could keep adding them from time to time, for example every fanfest in some kind of promotion, and they would still be incrredibly valuable just BECAUSE they-¦re so useful.
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2378
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:06:58 -
[299] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?
I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.
Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.
It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca.
kind of the same way I can't paint my house some obnoxious color "because I want to". The game as a whole has an aesthetic that many people enjoy, and an atmoshpere you can't find many other places. Let a bunch of players bling out their ships like CoD guns and there goes a good chunk of it. Regardless of how this ends up being implemented, there will be limits. I highly doubt anyone at CCp is dumb enough to let 100% happen so that the hello kitty and MLP skins come through.
So, in the same respect, I ask you why you think 'your' (its not yours unironically) ship is so special, as to remove and diminish an aspect many other players enjoy.
Also, to everyone else, stop using lore as an argument for either side. You can bend and twist the lore so many different ways to make a story true it's not even funny. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8027
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:25:16 -
[300] - Quote
The equilibrium would be for me my own combination of colors and logo of my corporation on the ship.
This combination, my design corporate skin, designed for aurum, this SKIN would have to be available to corp members only when they are in corporation. If you think pink is too much, just dont include it in predesigned color palette.
For more unique skins for aurum in store (rather than only colored ships) see below, the screenshoot from 2014 fanfest. More than color, more than corporate design, the blinged cloth for your most flyed, most loved ship model. Collated by hull size, not particular one ship model, so if you have cruiser, be it tech 2 or pirate, you will buy it, because it fits and is badass.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
421
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:28:18 -
[301] - Quote
Rowells wrote:kind of the same way I can't paint my house some obnoxious color "because I want to". The game as a whole has an aesthetic that many people enjoy, and an atmoshpere you can't find many other places. Let a bunch of players bling out their ships like CoD guns and there goes a good chunk of it. Regardless of how this ends up being implemented, there will be limits. I highly doubt anyone at CCp is dumb enough to let 100% happen so that the hello kitty and MLP skins come through.
So, in the same respect, I ask you why you think 'your' (its not yours unironically) ship is so special, as to remove and diminish an aspect many other players enjoy.
Well where I am, I can paint my house however I want.
But with that said, I'm not even asking for truly custom skins. The overhead on that would be excessive. But I am asking for the SKIN's selection that CCP releases, to be made available for all Hulls, and all Races.
As for why should mine be special.. Why shouldn't it? Why shouldn't I have options because YOU might not like my choices. I don't like Red Convertibles, but I go out for a drive I have the live with the fact that I may see some. It's not like people in Eve are going to have my ship in their face all the time. First, the ship you'll see most often is your own. Second, after that, most time when you see other ships it'll be so zoomed out they could be painted Hello Kitty and you'd never notice. Most that you see upclose would be in passing at best (Gates, Undocking, etc). To call me flying in a Quafe Paladin, or a Khanid Dominix diminishing your game, that's just silly. If it's really such a big issue then CCP can just add a checkbox for your client to only display the base skin, and no custom ones.. Same way you can turn off Turrets, Drones, etc.
And I agree, Lore isn't an excuse. Lore should be something that adds content to the game, not artificially limit it. If you want Lore to limit Skins, then it should limit hulls, modules, drones, and everything else too. I mean if you want lore then it can be like the old Provi Block. When they chose to fly Amarr Ships and the like.. CHOSE being the key there. No one forced them. They had their fun, while everyone else did their own thing. |
Mario Putzo
1406
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:34:06 -
[302] - Quote
With so many skins to choose from Im not sure how to decide which I want...oh they can only be used on one ship. Well that makes my choice much easier. Sorry CCP I will not be buying skins from you, its a shame, I was getting pretty hyped with all the sexy photos shared over the weekend. |
Charlie Firpol
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
311
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:35:35 -
[303] - Quote
Cleanse Serce wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?
I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.
Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.
It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca. It's more like a BMW with a FORD logo on it. The best option, would be to just give colors per texture map, like : in () goes the Khanid exemple 1- for Hull 1 (black) 2- for Hull 2 (silverish) 3- for Light Color (blue) Whatever, CCP has made its decision. If you want to see our game with multicolor hulls everywhere and throw away any sense at all, go for it !
Would it have any effect on you if I put a BMW logo on my 20 years old Volkswagen? Or if I change my Porsche logo for that of a Lada?
The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
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Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
33
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:19:00 -
[304] - Quote
I don't know.
Just complete free will to players about SKINs is not the way CCP should go, in my own opinion.
Lore, is not an excuse.
I'm well aware that we can bend and twist over and over again the Lore in order to make any thing acceptable.
When you say "excuse", we say "framework" when it comes to the Lore.
Certain things shouldn't be allowed Lore-wise.
I don't want to see Khanid Megathron, but i don't care if i see a Black and Silver Megathron.
Subtle difference but it makes it all. |
Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
1
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:28:55 -
[305] - Quote
Those "Lore" question are usless since we are player, i mean Capsulier, we aren't like the NPC from each faction. As capsulier we can go in any ship we want.
If you want make Lore restriction, then why my Gallente can pilote an Amarr Cruser ? You cant ask for Lore skin restriction if you are in a different ship than your faction one.
i am ok with the "Framework" if that legit. For player/Capsulier, Lore restriction musn't affect us, we are free from Faction restriction.
Quote:The only restriction right now for this is technical, based on how surfaces interact with light, eachother, the colors on them, and other such craziness. I've been talking to art, and Team Size Matters, and there'll be more information on this next week as I've said, and what the plan is going forward :)
what a joke ... i have test close to all ship in the game with close to all Skin avaible before the Mosaic and some new. Only some ship have truble with light refraction or bad texture application, and in a large majority it's the holdess hull skin, like Scorpion/Rattle or T3 , you talk there about 10 - 15 ship , not mush more, so what about other avaible skin that work right ?
I have seen by y own eyes the tone of ship and skin avaible without issue. You just block those feature to make money.
For proof, you increase skin price in Aurum and didn't notice player, nice mentality, what are we ? just some interesting wallet ? |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
33
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:31:18 -
[306] - Quote
Varrgas Arthurus wrote:Those "Lore" question are usless since we are player, i mean Capsulier, we aren't like the NPC from each faction.
If you want make Lore restriction, then why my Gallente can pilote an Amarr Cruser ? You cant ask for Lore skin restriction if you are in a different ship than your faction one.
Yes, actually you are all right.
Why are we even make any design difference anyway ?
Let's just all redesign ships like bricks, let's get rid of the Lo+öore.
Yay. \o/
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
1
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:34:50 -
[307] - Quote
Corp Skin with corp / alliance logo on the Hull will be more interesting and legit than Lore restriction, but maybe make a feature to let us put a corp logo on the hull is too hard :/ |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1435
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:14:59 -
[308] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
Thanks for having this conversation, nice to know there is some consideration going on including the thread participation. Just wanted to chime in since I missed the initial question of pricing some pages back. The pricing wouldn't be so bad were it not for the inflexibility of the current available skins.
If the skins could apply to all ships which the lore would allow, or at least the hull variants of a particular ship the prices would be easier to deal with in bulk. I still think a good compromise is a single skin per race and size of ship, for instance a frigate Sarum skin that could apply to all Amarr frigates including T2 and navy variants or even pirates who use Amarr skills.
Looking forward to what comes out f the conversation. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10880
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:27:29 -
[309] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
I'll add my thanks too, and I know y'all gotta strike various balances (between revenue, technical limitations lore and other things). But like I said in another thread, i'm not a vanity item type of guy but seeing those beautifl skins in-game in my incursion fleet made me open that Nex store for the very 1st time intentionally (before I learned it was a bug, I was damn well gonna buy me a gold Machariel skin lol).
Do it right and this all turns into a 'shut up CCP and take my damn money' situation, even from someone like me.
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Mario Putzo
1406
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:34:02 -
[310] - Quote
The funny thing about lore is it can be changed. CCP has already essentially set the stage for a "black market" for ship camo, some dudes ripped of the Caldari, now they want to make bank with their new toy. So they set up a service to do just that.
Jimmys Chop Shop. Coming to a Star System near you. |
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
880
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:56:36 -
[311] - Quote
log'd in seen jungle growing out of my tempest again...log'd out
enjoyed sebiestor skin for few hours at least last night
greed is good i guess. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31386
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Posted - 2015.05.04 22:52:02 -
[312] - Quote
Profit motive is great, I just wonder if everyone on that island is just plain out of touch.
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Memphis Baas
374
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Posted - 2015.05.04 23:34:09 -
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I think they're confused about what you're trying to say, Rain.
Rain6637 wrote:the pricing is... obnoxious
Rain6637 wrote:if I want a SKIN license that works on all ships, it would be $250
Rain6637 wrote:Maybe the SKIN pricing is due to some idea of mainstream extravagance in the rest of the first world. [...] It's over the top.
All of that, buried inside LONG posts that wander all over the place.
Just say: I want to pay $1 for a single ship, and $250 for a single skin to all ships. Much simpler.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31386
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Posted - 2015.05.05 00:09:47 -
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You are apparently one of the people whose reading comprehension is good, hell you might even be one of those people who is able to connect related ideas and reach their own conclusions. Unfortunately, brevity in this type of discussion is a bad idea. The disconnect between what players want and actual market pricing and availability involves basic, core assumptions that need to be expressed to be understood.
And it's a huge disconnect. We're talking 1/10th the prices, with 10x the selection compared to what is live on TQ.
I suspect that as a person moves from being a player to working on the game as a dev, slowly and inevitably, you begin to lose touch. As you iterate the game, it becomes less and less like the game you knew as a player.
What am I saying. That you need to spell things out in plain English for Devs, because they lack the perspective for you to get away with simply saying "I want this and this."
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Miao Sajuuk
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.05.05 00:32:53 -
[315] - Quote
It's not a bug.
It's a feature.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31386
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Posted - 2015.05.05 00:35:21 -
[316] - Quote
Time limited feature celebrating May Fourth, like DoTA's insane mode thing once a year.
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
604
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:11:02 -
[317] - Quote
Good thing they fix stuff like this.
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Avaelica Kuershin
54
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:21:30 -
[318] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:
I think the enjoyment of a SKIN should be intrinsic. You like it because it looks great, not because other people don't have it.
That's exactly how I feel about the SKINs. The Syndicate SKINs have a very pleasing (to me) colour scheme, whereas others may prefer the garish colours of Interbus.
Industrial and transport ships are the ones I'd expect, from a lore standpoint, to have very distinctive colour schemes. |
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Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2298
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:34:18 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin seems to be the only dev willing to talk about it. Please don't infer anything from this. Not every developer engages on the forums the same way. I'll quote CCP Falcon's post on Reddit: CCP Falcon wrote:As we said over the weekend, and fix for this was inevitable given the fact that it was unintended and was clearly a bug.
We have however learned a lot from what people have been doing with SKINs over the weekend, and we actually have a meeting set up this afternoon to talk about where to go from here and talk more about strategy for skins in the future.
While the bug has been patched out, we've gathered a lot of valuable feedback over the course of the weekend, and will be talking about it and considering it going forward :) Source
Here is my take on it.
It was cool to take advantage of the bug in the SKIN system and paint up Sarum Machariels and the like. Police Domis look ************* cool.
Of course, this broke CCP's business model for commoditising the SKIN sales to make money from space-rich nerds who want to customise their space pixels and make them look sexy...and then fight zoomed out so everyone's just a collection of little boxes.
The thing is, this bug in the SKIN system has doubtless done a hell of a lot more to promote the SKINs and generate buzz and interest in re-skinning and customising your ships than any marketing buzz CCP could have ever come up with. Ever.
Sure, Police Comets are kind of fun. But the Police Domi, or Police Tempest, they look fantastic and awesome and none of this was intended, and suddenly if I could buy a SKIN (or since i already have it, just apply it) and use it on whichever ship i wanted, then I would do that. I would save my pennies if not dual-training my alt into a gank dread for nullsec carrier killing, or dual-training my other alt to be a probe alt spy, I would totally blow a billion a month on SKINs.
However, CCP has put the kibosh on the fun, and that's understandable. However, it raises a question about whether there's alternative business models for SKIN sales and usage, which will be more lucrative for CCP.
Under the current SKIN system, you buy a SKIN for a specific ship for an account or character. If you have a Khanid Oracle, you have a Khanid Oracle. Job done, US$15 for CCP, Hilmar gets to put some fuel in his super yacht this week.
However, what if you had a Providence, and liked it when the bug allowed you to make a Khanid Providence? Fresh out of luck, you might get a Roden Providence. Or, wait, bad example: what if you have any Minmatar ship whatsoever, and want it to look badass, and don't fly the Hurricane so you can get a badass Sebiestor SKIN? Fresh out of luck, even though the Roden Cyclone was bling as hell and I want one.
CCP loses $15 from me (via hook or crook or PLEX or Aurum traded to me for ISK won from belt rats) because I won't be buying any Minmatar SKINs. I also won't be buying Quafe or Police Pursuit skins for my Cyclone, now. So CCP is losing out on $15 that way.
So, CCP has to consider that they might make more money by taking their SKIN system business model and evaluating the likelihood that people will actually buy more SKINs if they can apply them to more ships.
Sure there should be limits. Some SKINs don't transfer over well from ship to ship; they can be blocked out. or maybe, though it pains me, Amarr to minmatar skinning is illegal but you can borrow Gallente-Minmatar etc. Or maybe restrict the SKIN to a ship until it's death or repackaging, or lock it to a hull on application for a month or something, to prevent churning.
Whatever. The universe is your mollusc! But the more flexibility you give us, the more we will spend. That is the take-home from this.
I think that this bug has really shown us that people are incredibly interested in making their ships look cool - more interested than first imagined. I certainly find myself more interested in customising Minmatar ships with Amarr, Gallente and Caldari colours than with the selection of naff ones available.
This also shows that what's cool to one person (say, a CCP art designer) is not cool to everyone else (c.f. the Justice Edition Naglfar) but if you think it's cool, you're likely to buy the SKIN and apply it to whatever you think it looks cool on, and voila, CCP makes money.
So the business model needs a rethink. I think that with some tweaks, not nerfs, CCP stands to make a lot more money, and have vastly more satisfied customers, than under the rigid, locked-down system they put about initially. Viva la bugs!
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Memphis Baas
377
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:49:56 -
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Rain, I agree, and at the same time disagree with you:
I agree that prices are too high, but disagree that $250 for a single skin is a low price, even if the skin works on all ships.
I agree about explaining our reasoning behind our requests or demands, but at the same time think it's somewhat pointless because we're players arguing against the Director of Monetization and upper corporate management.
They apparently came in at 8, had an emergency meeting, and reached a consensus probably within an hour or two; in that scenario, long posts will probably get TL;DR whereas short posts with numbers may be quoted to prove someone's point.
I agree that they do seem to be aiming the outfits in NES and the skins at, let's say, celebrities looking to only wear name brands. Except, a lot of the outfits aren't sophisticated enough to qualify (wife beaters for example), nor do they all display emblems or manufacturer marks (some do). They failed to realize that a lot of us are just looking for cheap unmarked department store clothes and paint combinations, obviously not caring about emblems or logos; we just want stuff to look good and be cheap. I agree with that.
They could make a killing selling cheap fashion with no emblems, and also "rare" expensive gowns, (futuristic) business suits, leather jackets, or military uniforms WITH emblems. I hope they're seeing it now with the ships - cheap decent colors for the masses, rare emblems for those who do care about Quafe or Sarum or the Cartel. They should modify the Show Info of the ship wearing the rare SKIN to say something along the lines of: "The license to display the Imperial Logo and colors on personal ships has been granted to this pilot by her Imperial Majesty through the Ministry of Rewards, for services rendered to the Empire." Would increase the perceived value of the skin, to have that sort of certificate attached.
But we're just two voices in a sea of opposite views; some don't like these suggestions and want the original system. Others are just annoyed that I've posted so much, feeling I should shut up. Ultimately, all opinions are valid; I did post too much. |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
4173
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Posted - 2015.05.05 02:08:17 -
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I say make all the existing quafe skins into some cool two tone stuff like the special edition iterons and let everyone else get the Quafe skins that we know and love
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
36737
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Posted - 2015.05.05 02:12:27 -
[322] - Quote
Hicksimus wrote:Good thing they fix stuff like this.
EvE is real! Real boring.
If you are no longer in need of your stuff, I'll have fun with it.
You can send it to me and I'll ensure the right amount also reaches UAE.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31392
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:29:35 -
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Memphis, I actually agree with you. I also know how players feel even though SKINs are not my thing.
I would like this clothing item very much, and for the lack of availability and answers I have only been able to put it out of my mind to save myself from stress. As far as desire goes for something in this game, this is it for me:
Sterling Dress Blouse Matte Black.
If that item is locked away as a one-time prize for cosplaying at fanfest or something else completely out of whack, I will consider it unforgivable. It's more than something I want. It's a fundamental problem with the player and game culture, and the lack of attention given by CCP to visual content that -I- enjoy.
It's the last straw and I totally see it going bad. For now, like I have for years, I can only wait and see whether this is a game for me, or just a source of frustration. There's a difference between a game that is slow to be what I want, and a game that will never be what I want.
I'm commenting on this subject because I see the same thing happening to SKINs. In my opinion, the rate of turnaround for art assets in EVE is horrendously slow. Low resources is one thing, but this situation is a case of mismanagement.
This is an issue that is elevated above org affiliations and politics. As a fellow player of EVE I want you to get what makes you happy and what you enjoy.
I know how it can potentially feel for all the players who like SKINs, years down the road. Trust me.
The only thing that will keep me from withdrawing from EVE is the fact that I won't need to pay irl money for subs anymore. Soon. I'll just keep playing EVE as a way to keep myself occupied in my downtime. But there will be a lot of love lost. And that's pretty bad. If EVE misses the mark for me that bad as a player and the only reason I keep playing is because it's free.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1437
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:57:09 -
[324] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:...Just release the content.
I often wonder what reason there could be for holding back on clothing assets and the like, especially when it exists in the game but isn't obtainable. In the case of sellable items as it is here it's like not wanting money in a way. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31392
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:03:36 -
[325] - Quote
Dude, that is exactly what I decided to leave out of my post. word for word.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
1336
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:09:51 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
Thank You!
We want the universal skins, you saw it we had tons of fun over the weekend with the bug. You guys saw how a bug became something fun.
As for the future skin packs will have to be optimized for the ship size. As I noticed frig ones didnt work too well on battleships :P but.. I would be willing to pay for a police persuit skin if i can put it on all my ships.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
422
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:10:49 -
[327] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:...Just release the content. I often wonder what reason there could be for holding back on clothing assets and the like, especially when it exists in the game but isn't obtainable. In the case of sellable items as it is here it's like not wanting money in a way.
Agreed.. I mean short term I get.. but there's clothing that has been on TQ but never seeded since day ONE. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31392
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:13:57 -
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Chyeah, it's the best looking stuff too. It's not just some of the good stuff, it's all of the good stuff that is unavailable.
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Memphis Baas
378
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Posted - 2015.05.05 07:45:59 -
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Those pants are gorgeous too; lighting / shadows on grey coloring accentuate 3D curves much better than the same on black.
The issue with outfits may be the "physically simulated clothing and hair" requiring too much effort; other games texture the clothes with the darker/lighter areas so they appear 3D with minimal processing power, in EVE I'd bet it's a flat grey texture with actually emulated stretching of fabric and shadow effects based on where the light source is. Lots of effort to code the system, and then they keep the NES store almost empty and keep us locked up in solitary the captains' quarters. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8039
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Posted - 2015.05.05 15:24:06 -
[330] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:
The issue with outfits may be the "physically simulated clothing and hair" requiring too much effort; other games texture the clothes with the darker/lighter areas so they appear 3D with minimal processing power, in EVE I'd bet it's a flat grey texture with actually emulated stretching of fabric and shadow effects based on where the light source is. Lots of effort to code the system, and then they keep the NES store almost empty and keep us locked up in solitary the captains' quarters.
Yes, CCP devs have talked about that, hairs and amarr robes are painfull to make.
There is not such isse with SKINs I think, because look how easy it was to make all those combinations just with few skins, also, no one here was really angry about performance, all i was able to spot is that some skins were looking "inverted", more whites than greens in Wiyrkomi Orca for example.
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Juvenius Drakonius
12
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:11:43 -
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TLTR...but
Oh sweet baby lord JEzus....... did you see the Golden NIX, Dominix, Vexor?
Just make GOLD Skins for EVERY SHIP....PLEASE NAAAAUUUUU TAKE MY MONEYYYY and make a MULTIPLE SHIP SKIN LICENCE ...more expensive...but just once you buy IT!
There is no shame in saying you don't know something, and there is no glory in keeping knolege to yourself.
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Mehashi 'Kho
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
158
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:22:47 -
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Most my ships look crap now :(
It wasn't so easy to see without contrast, but damn some of the standard textures look rusty and dusty and lacking in colour.
Hard not to notice after the much better quality of the skins we have seen. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
4176
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:33:59 -
[333] - Quote
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Most my ships look crap now :(
It wasn't so easy to see without contrast, but damn some of the standard textures look rusty and dusty and lacking in colour.
Hard not to notice after the much better quality of the skins we have seen.
They're working on it https://youtu.be/iJGFnXkRGlc?&t=663
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1394
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:53:16 -
[334] - Quote
V5++ is coming! Keep your eyes open for more news soon.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1438
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Posted - 2015.05.05 20:37:05 -
[335] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:V5++ is coming! Keep your eyes open for more news soon.
Eagerly awaiting it. Was there any further consideration towards having the age of a ship show more with weathering/dirt etc? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6204
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:13:22 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:V5++ is coming! Keep your eyes open for more news soon. Eagerly awaiting it. Was there any further consideration towards having the age of a ship show more with weathering/dirt etc?
Considering all of the complaints about dirty looking skins, I think they'd better consider making the "worn and weathered" look optional.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31418
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:43:34 -
[337] - Quote
Or make a new Wash Me station service.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2863
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Posted - 2015.05.09 07:51:32 -
[338] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Or make a new Wash Me station service.
Personal service for characters included? ;)
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31419
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Posted - 2015.05.09 13:33:05 -
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Yeah, like a shower with a couple sensor bars or blurs.
Sadly, that doesn't agree with the version of EVE that exists in devs' minds.
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Avaelica Kuershin
54
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Posted - 2015.05.09 13:54:00 -
[340] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Yeah, like a shower with a couple sensor bars or blurs.
Sadly, that doesn't agree with the version of EVE that exists in devs' minds.
Looks like shiny ships will show too much dirt if they're not exploded quickly enough...
Good thing I trust the rust. |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1088
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:04:59 -
[341] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:V5++ is coming! Keep your eyes open for more news soon. Eagerly awaiting it. Was there any further consideration towards having the age of a ship show more with weathering/dirt etc? Considering all of the complaints about dirty looking skins, I think they'd better consider making the "worn and weathered" look optional.
They should just make every line of code in the game optional so we'll never have this 'can it be optional!' whining again.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31419
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:14:27 -
[342] - Quote
There is a bit of advice among game developers that says to make sure you make the game people want to play, rather than the game you want to make.
I don't feel like writing another essay right now, so you'll have to chew on that one on your own.
I would be less suspicious of changes in EVE if historically there was some benefit to the changes made.
CCP creativity is **** tier m8. It's nice to see devs get to do things they're motivated about and are convinced are cool, but it's another example of hardcoreness being forced on the game (because "wouldn't it be cool if"). Grunge on ships better be reversible by some way other than repackaging the ship.
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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
23922
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:14:47 -
[343] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:V5++ is coming! Keep your eyes open for more news soon. Eagerly awaiting it. Was there any further consideration towards having the age of a ship show more with weathering/dirt etc? Considering all of the complaints about dirty looking skins, I think they'd better consider making the "worn and weathered" look optional. They should just make every line of code in the game optional so we'll never have this 'can it be optional!' whining again.
Yeah you're right.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31419
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:27:00 -
[344] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5542008#post5542008
more proof that CCP doesn't understand how/why players grow attached to space things.
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
609
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Posted - 2015.05.09 23:22:42 -
[345] - Quote
Keep making EvE boring I really enjoy it when peak player count has sagged to 2007 levels.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1088
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Posted - 2015.05.10 01:01:26 -
[346] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5542008#post5542008
more proof that CCP doesn't understand how/why players grow attached to space things.
bad: nonconsensual ship grunge
good: customizable coating materials (not just colors)
corp and alliance color schemes
I mean, if we're going to spend time doing stuff for the sake of visuals. Grunge is an idea that should have been shot down wayy early on. How that idea could have been green-lit alongside making ships look prettier and customizable is beyond me.
"Nonconsensual ship grunge"...
Ah the entitlement is big in this one.
New structure: Space car wash. Charge people to wash their ships and charge extra for wax.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1445
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Posted - 2015.05.10 01:47:07 -
[347] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5542008#post5542008
more proof that CCP doesn't understand how/why players grow attached to space things.
bad: nonconsensual ship grunge
good: customizable coating materials (not just colors)
corp and alliance color schemes
I mean, if we're going to spend time doing stuff for the sake of visuals. Grunge is an idea that should have been shot down wayy early on. How that idea could have been green-lit alongside making ships look prettier and customizable is beyond me.
I won't argue against the apparent lack of common sense when it comes to monetization and tiering, but much like everything else "grunge" is subjective. Personally I'd love for a select few of my hulls to show their age in some manner. It helps both immersively and aesthetically and, in my mind at least, doesn't in any way counter the idea of customizing colors or logos. Rather it's just another aspect to owning and individualizing a ship.
Also, don't we have an entire race with a meme built around this concept? The FF presentation literally saw applause at the announcement of the return of "rust." |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31434
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Posted - 2015.05.10 02:05:58 -
[348] - Quote
It's unwise to be fanbois and give them your money at the same time.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1445
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Posted - 2015.05.10 02:28:10 -
[349] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Entitlement. You mean like I'm expecting something in return for something? It's unwise to be fanbois and give them your money at the same time.
By the way, you both smell like CCP alt plants. Might as well be.
What? I just asked if an idea presented at FF was still being considered and pointed out that yeah, some of us might like to see that become a reality in some form. |
Memphis Baas
389
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Posted - 2015.05.10 03:20:32 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Personally I'd love for a select few of my hulls to show their age in some manner. It helps both immersively and aesthetically and, in my mind at least, doesn't in any way counter the idea of customizing colors or logos. Rather it's just another aspect to owning and individualizing a ship.
I'd go for that, IF they give the option to make the ship shiny again by just going into the repair screen and checking an option for it. Because ships are like cars (a status symbol) and I don't want to pilot a rusty jalopy.
Also, rust in space? The way the planets and moons are rendered in the game, we warp in too far away to be affected by their upper atmosphere. Ships would only rust in stations; maybe that's what CCP wants, you leave a ship parked for too long without using it, it rusts. Shows you haven't flown it for a long time.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1445
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Posted - 2015.05.10 03:28:22 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Personally I'd love for a select few of my hulls to show their age in some manner. It helps both immersively and aesthetically and, in my mind at least, doesn't in any way counter the idea of customizing colors or logos. Rather it's just another aspect to owning and individualizing a ship. I'd go for that, IF they give the option to make the ship shiny again by just going into the repair screen and checking an option for it. Because ships are like cars (a status symbol) and I don't want to pilot a rusty jalopy. Also, rust in space? The way the planets and moons are rendered in the game, we warp in too far away to be affected by their upper atmosphere. Ships would only rust in stations; maybe that's what CCP wants, you leave a ship parked for too long without using it, it rusts. Shows you haven't flown it for a long time.
I'm not suggesting it be mandatory or a default state, but rather, like other forms of customization, an option. I get that not everyone likes it, but the same can be said for scars in the character creator. Not everyone has or wants them, but for those that do they are there. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31438
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Posted - 2015.05.10 03:40:21 -
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And yeah, I don't think a space wash structure or station service is unreasonable. Give it a cost and a job time (like a build time) and animate it with little space wash drones. I just see grunge as effort in the wrong direction. You want to reinforce the things people like, which is 'shiny.' "I like my shinies," and "ooh shiny" etc. Grunge is not shiny.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1445
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31438
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Posted - 2015.05.10 04:05:20 -
[354] - Quote
Minority. Grunge is a nice feature yeah but there will be a strong desire to make the ship look new again. Maybe each look (new vs dirty) will benefit from the contrast against the other.
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Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.05.10 08:41:06 -
[355] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious. OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.
Pricing frigate SKINs so high is obnoxious because makes it look like you're a bunch of greedheads trying to cash in on the enthusiasm of new players who don't realize how soon they'll be outgrowing their frigates. Granted, I think most SKINs are too expensive - especially since so many of the SKINS on offer are for ships that most players only fly until they can fly bigger/better - but offering frigate SKINs at such a high price is a clear violation of the Wheaton's Law. Did you learn nothing after the monocles? How do you keep making this kind of mistake with the NES? Is this in service of some desire for some items to be more exclusive? If so, I'm sure others have already pointed out that this is incredibly wrong-headed. SKINs and clothing should be exclusive after they're no longer obtainable via CCP. Trying to engineer false exclusivity with your pricing is bad for lots of reasons that others have already touched upon.
I'd also like to add my vote to the "lore is a dumb reason to restrict ship SKINs" lobby. By all means, kit out the race/faction specific SKINS first; but sooner or later, you're going to have all of those in game. If capsuleers are free to mix and match everything else about our ships, why wouldn't we also have that same freedom with our paint jobs? Ideally, we would get to customize our ship's color scheme, but I recognize that implementing that in the current framework would be impossible.
Finally, YES, T2 ships must have SKINs. I know, I know, T2 ships already have faction-specific paint jobs and that was great when that was the only way to get a different looking SKIN Well, I've been looking at the same hull colors (with admittedly-impressive graphics upgrades) for about decade now. Nobody's zooming into to see what kind of ship I'm flying. The only people who are going to gaze admiringly at my ships are me and the very occasional passer-by. If visual distinctiveness matters that much to you, add more physical geegaws to the models like you've already done with many T2 ships. |
Erin Crawford
465
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Posted - 2015.05.10 10:08:06 -
[356] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:Nobody's zooming into to see what kind of ship I'm flying. The only people who are going to gaze admiringly at my ships are me and the very occasional passer-by. If visual distinctiveness matters that much to you, add more physical gewgaws to the models like you've already done with many T2 ships.
Couldn't agree more! Ship skins need to become a whole lot cheaper or the entire exercise will have been a waste.
And yes, all ships need much more physical "gewgaws"... like comparing this to this.
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31446
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Posted - 2015.05.11 04:57:22 -
[357] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
Haven't been this excited for downtime since... can't remember.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1682
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Posted - 2015.05.11 07:47:20 -
[358] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Or make a new Wash Me station service.
Of course if you use this with a minmatar ship the ship would dissolve and you'd have the modules returned to your hangar.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31446
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Posted - 2015.05.11 07:50:26 -
[359] - Quote
Yeah, that's a good point, the grunge makes sense on Minmatar. Maybe a cute, "We're sorry, washing would be ineffective." rejection message for attempted Minmatar wash jobs.
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Avaelica Kuershin
59
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:02:32 -
[360] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Yeah, that's a good point, the grunge makes sense on Minmatar. Maybe a cute, "We're sorry, washing would be ineffective." rejection message for attempted Minmatar wash jobs.
I can just imagine docking up and getting repairs only to find that the repairs haven't included cleaning the exterior. Talk about poor service!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31450
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:34:17 -
[361] - Quote
Maybe it's wishful thinking to assume it would cost ISK, not AUR, to have the ship washed.
Contracts with 'washed on' dates listed in the description...
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31450
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:35:27 -
[362] - Quote
double post
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402416
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:50:44 -
[363] - Quote
I still want a filthy, grimy and corroded away looking Interbus Ishtar.
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My Fanclub
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31452
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:51:36 -
[364] - Quote
...with corpses strung across the bow?
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402416
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:53:48 -
[365] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:...with corpses strung across the bow?
Yep! How did you know?
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My Fanclub
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1684
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:46:42 -
[366] - Quote
Rather than seeing a return to The mix-and-match system, it would be really nice to have a corp or alliance skin that all pilots in the corp or alliance can use. An interface similar to the corp logo design interface could be provided. Players could choose a pattern and primary/secondary/tertiary colors. Ship faction could modify the colors used slightly to give a more metalic look on amarrian ships, or the more muted/rusted look on minmatar.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31453
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:56:26 -
[367] - Quote
Commissar Kate wrote:Rain6637 wrote:...with corpses strung across the bow? Yep! How did you know?
because we're alts, duh
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2015.05.13 18:50:41 -
[368] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.
So.. It's the end of Wed.. Blog ETA? |
Erin Crawford
466
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Posted - 2015.05.13 18:54:01 -
[369] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.
So.. It's the end of Wed.. Blog ETA?
...soonGäó
omg! i've become one of those... 
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1451
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:26:45 -
[370] - Quote
Erin Crawford wrote:...soonGäóomg! i've become one of those...
Aren't we all by now? |
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
363
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:32:34 -
[371] - Quote
Ship skins ... the most overrated game mechanic ever. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
124
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Posted - 2015.05.14 03:56:27 -
[372] - Quote
Erin Crawford wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.
So.. It's the end of Wed.. Blog ETA? ...soonGäóomg! i've become one of those...
WE DEMAND OUR BLOG DEVS. A S A P |
HeXxploiT
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
142
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Posted - 2015.05.14 06:55:15 -
[373] - Quote
I can't help but wonder if the devs will have a laugh when they drop skin prices by 10X while watching skin investor wallets get completely & utterly destroyed as those investors turn around and buy plex to cover their losses.
Interpreting the sheer terror and panic in this thread convinces me there must be some entertainment value in all this. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
449
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Posted - 2015.05.14 07:20:39 -
[374] - Quote
Apparently CCP Falcon considered some "Well I'd like to see... but it's not my call.." post on Reddit to be enough, and that the users of these forums, and all the issues we raised over almost 19 pages in this thread alone don't need to be responded too.
Quote:This was kind of in the works, then myself and a couple of other people came to reddit and just started answering questions, so it kind of became defunct to write a blog too.
-CCP Falcon -- https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/35uewm/so_that_skins_dev_blog/cr7wr7d
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31470
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Posted - 2015.05.14 08:43:30 -
[375] - Quote
Oh wow, I did not see this coming. It looks like Falcon is trying to **** off all of r/eve. It's as if they want another monument shooting event, for the publicity maybe?
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Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.05.14 08:47:33 -
[376] - Quote
I am also a bit put out by the assumption that posting on Reddit is a substitute for dev blogs or posting on the official forums. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31470
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Posted - 2015.05.14 08:52:10 -
[377] - Quote
This is so out of place, though. Years of parrying reddit angst with promises, and now this flippant (in comparison) statement. He's a community manager, right? If you assume this is intentional, for a second... it could be explained as stoking the hype train.
EIther that or Falcon is basically failing at his job.
A part of me hopes CCP and Falcon have learned how to manage the rage mill that is reddit.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1455
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Posted - 2015.05.14 09:17:20 -
[378] - Quote
It's still pretty odd though that nothing was said in the place people were actually looking for information since his last words on the matter pointed them here for a follow up, not reddit. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31473
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:25:21 -
[379] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:It's still pretty odd though that nothing was said in the place people were actually looking for information since his last words on the matter pointed them here for a follow up, not reddit.
Yeah, and check this out https://twitter.com/CCP_Explorer/status/598282362825355264
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Felix Leonhart
Hemp eXpress
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:07:37 -
[380] - Quote
Plz make the devblog post, you lowered the tension by promising it, and now the tension will again rise |
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
623
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:48:28 -
[381] - Quote
It's good to see them testing the waters of choosing Reddit over their own forums just like SoE which was so successful that it is now called Daybreak Games and has fired much of the management.
Keep it up CCP I'm serious when I say that I don't like 2007 peak player count levels. I really enjoy 2006 levels and I know you guys are ignorant enough to achieve them.
Edit: I just hope that when EvE fails because of you guys that the game development community's take away from it is not that games can only live so long but that great games with a very dedicated player base can still be slowly killed off by developer ignorance.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
583
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:24:47 -
[382] - Quote
wow so much anger over something so petty
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10971
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:31:30 -
[383] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:It's still pretty odd though that nothing was said in the place people were actually looking for information since his last words on the matter pointed them here for a follow up, not reddit.
'
Yea, that doesn't make sense.
Not getting hysterical or anything, but between this (CCP not using their own means of communicating to communicate with us) and the fact that they won't be streaming HALF of the alliance tournament suggests to me that they may be backsliding into their past 'tone deaf' ways. |
Hra Neuvosto
Fistful of Finns
Triumvirate.
354
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:37:02 -
[384] - Quote
I want to read all eve online news on /eog/ from now on. |
Memphis Baas
398
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Posted - 2015.05.14 14:52:54 -
[385] - Quote
Based on the reddit "what do you want us to say in the dev blog?" post, I'd guess that nothing has changed in their plans for the ship skins (despite the length of this thread), and they're at a loss about what to write in the dev blog that won't inflame us.
Oh well. Ultimately if they're not convinced that they'd make more money with universal skins, it's their prerogative to release how they want to. Good luck, CCP. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8528
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:10:08 -
[386] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:(despite the length of this thread)
While a little over 120 people have posted, 5 of them cover more than 25% of the posts.
From my experience CCP is in no hurry to respond to threads in which just a few people post over and over again without actually saying much. It's not the length of a thread, it's the quality that gets their attention. And there's not a lot of quality here. Just the same few people rephrasing the same post ad infinitum.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8322
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:28:24 -
[387] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:(despite the length of this thread) While a little over 120 people have posted, 5 of them cover more than 25% of the posts. From my experience CCP is in no hurry to respond to threads in which just a few people post over and over again without actually saying much. It's not the length of a thread, it's the quality that gets their attention. And there's not a lot of quality here. Just the same few people rephrasing the same post ad infinitum. Mr Epeen
One man could post one idea here that would make this game a lot better and would bring some subscribers back, and CCP would not even care about one man with one idea, that is what you wanted to say?
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
39
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Lol guys we just had major emergency meeting. Devblog coming beginning next week.
I posted "im not in charge or monetary or art or development. ... but i think in the future they want to give you guys more options and more price levels.... maybe somtime... in the future... something
So now no devblog needed
Also here is some presents for anniversary
Wut that aint good enough for the entire eve player base?
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Erin Crawford
467
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:35:41 -
[389] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:I am also a bit put out by the assumption that posting on Reddit is a substitute for dev blogs or posting on the official forums.
I agree.
Why bother posting in the Dev Blogs, why bother creating Eve Update, in fact why bother at all..? Just slap it on Reddit and be done with it, right?
Wow!
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
449
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:42:35 -
[390] - Quote
I think the reason they didn't tell us anything after the meeting, and haven't posted a blog, is they were hoping people would just forget. That way they don't need to explain themselves, or anything.
I mean his comment on this thread said they were all in agreement, so why not just tell us? Nope, not a word, dev responses from that point forward.. Finally half the week is over, posts are made here and on reddit about the lack of a blog, and is there any response on the Eve Forums? Nope, nada. On Reddit? Oh sorry, though we didn't needed to do that despite saying we would cause I gave some non-committal answers earlier in the week.
It really is a load of bullshit. That "bug" was HUGE for eve. Everyone who knew about it was trying it out and having a blast. So not only do they shut it down, they they refuse to address the issues raised, with the only devs who even tried to talk about it here on the forums (and I give them credit for being here) being ones outside of the decision process.
The fact that there's more Dev activity on Reddit rather than their own forums really irks me. How about the devs take half the time they spend on Reddit, and put it here, to the actual site they run for their community, and talk to us. Most of the topics with Dev tags are a lie, it's either a joke post, or something about we hear you, or here's my opinion but I have no say.. How about the devs who actually make these calls take some time out of their days to talk with the community, on their own forums, and address issues rather than dismiss them. That or just delete these forums and move everything to Reddit, which 80% of the time seems to be the ONLY way to get a Dev to respond to an actual issue or concern. |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31485
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:44:59 -
[391] - Quote
One thing I think CCP deserves credit for is the customer experience they provide beyond staring at a cardboard game box. The relationship between the company and its customers is adversarial, sure, but absolute value is the company is real, and employs real people who like reddit.
That said, leaving those comments before a holiday and then a weekend is classic CCP. This drama is worth the subs in itself.
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Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:48:19 -
[392] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:I think the reason they didn't tell us anything after the meeting, and haven't posted a blog, is they were hoping people would just forget. That way they don't need to explain themselves, or anything.
I mean his comment on this thread said they were all in agreement, so why not just tell us? Nope, not a word, dev responses from that point forward.. Finally half the week is over, posts are made here and on reddit about the lack of a blog, and is there any response on the Eve Forums? Nope, nada. On Reddit? Oh sorry, though we didn't needed to do that despite saying we would cause I gave some non-committal answers earlier in the week.
It really is a load of bullshit. That "bug" was HUGE for eve. Everyone who knew about it was trying it out and having a blast. So not only do they shut it down, they they refuse to address the issues raised, with the only devs who even tried to talk about it here on the forums (and I give them credit for being here) being ones outside of the decision process.
The fact that there's more Dev activity on Reddit rather than their own forums really irks me. How about the devs take half the time they spend on Reddit, and put it here, to the actual site they run for their community, and talk to us. Most of the topics with Dev tags are a lie, it's either a joke post, or something about we hear you, or here's my opinion but I have no say.. How about the devs who actually make these calls take some time out of their days to talk with the community, on their own forums, and address issues rather than dismiss them. That or just delete these forums and move everything to Reddit, which 80% of the time seems to be the ONLY way to get a Dev to respond to an actual issue or concern.
15% of remaining is also Twitter Tweets. Devs love to tweet things, just not make posts on their own forums?
Its kind of depressing the communtiy manager is handling this like this |
Memphis Baas
398
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:49:23 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:From my experience CCP is in no hurry to respond to threads in which just a few people post over and over again without actually saying much. It's not the length of a thread, it's the quality that gets their attention.
They don't respond to threads period. Saying that "if only we had quality posts, CCP would listen" is the same as saying "if you read my bio and follow ALL the rules I have in there, you'll get your ISK doubled."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8533
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:27:24 -
[394] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:From my experience CCP is in no hurry to respond to threads in which just a few people post over and over again without actually saying much. It's not the length of a thread, it's the quality that gets their attention. They don't respond to threads period. Saying that "if only we had quality posts, CCP would listen" is the same as saying "if you read my bio and follow ALL the rules I have in there, you'll get your ISK doubled."
If, as you attest, CCP doesn't respond at all, I have to wonder at your prolific posting here. Would it not be better to find something productive to do with your time? Like unsub in protest?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Paranoid Loyd
5136
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:36:54 -
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Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty
Spaceships barbie is serious bidness
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Memphis Baas
398
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:38:50 -
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Unsubbing won't do much, since I'm (unfortunately) prepaid for another 8 months.
And as far as my posts, it's not CCP that provides the fun on the forums, it's you and the others who reply. Also, you average at 3.4 posts a day, I average at 4.3, so other than in this thread I don't think I'm overdoing it. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31489
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness
That's exactly what it is, too. For me to relate, all I have to consider is what would happen if we received Kim Kardashian's wardrobe and then it was all taken away.
Welcome to my boat
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402695
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:52:20 -
[398] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness
Indeed it is!
-k8
My Fanclub
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31489
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:53:08 -
[399] - Quote
I'm glad someone else called it that. Now I can start using the phrase.
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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
73188
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:53:08 -
[400] - Quote
Commissar Kate wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness Indeed it is!
Of course it is.
>Official LAGL Cosplayer
>All hail Mistress Elara! GÖÑ
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8534
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:54:01 -
[401] - Quote
Commissar Kate wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness Indeed it is!
Dude! Your head.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
50490
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:54:19 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness Indeed it is! Of course it is.
Can confirm. |
Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402697
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:55:30 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness Indeed it is! Dude! Your head. Mr Epeen
At least I have hair.
-k8
My Fanclub
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31490
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:13:30 -
[404] - Quote
yeah but he gets to look in the mirror every time and go, "ooh shiney!"
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
402709
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:19:10 -
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Rain6637 wrote:yeah but he gets to look in the mirror every time and go, "ooh shiney!"
Yeah, well my hair is shiney too!
-k8
My Fanclub
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Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4441
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:47:00 -
[406] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:From my experience CCP is in no hurry to respond to threads in which just a few people post over and over again without actually saying much. It's not the length of a thread, it's the quality that gets their attention. And there's not a lot of quality here. Just the same few people rephrasing the same post ad infinitum.
In fairness, it's really hard to comment further in the absence of a dev blog which was supposed to clarify where CCP was going to move forward with SKINs. For an aesthetic (only) upgrade, the current batch of SKINs does not offer much in the way of variety. There is also the huge disparity in the pricing scheme for SKINs, which I think is universally loathed. After eagerly awaiting the release of the "final" product for well over a year, I think it's fair to say the vast majority of us are quite disappointed with the end result. It's unfortunate, too - as I think SKINs actually had the potential to really revitalize the game for a lot of players on at least some small level.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1456
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:20:30 -
[407] - Quote
It's also a sign the as a group we probably have a pretty unified stance on our gripes with the current implementation on the skins. If anything "rephrasing the same post ad infinitum" should equate to "making our complaints with the skins incredibly obvious" in turn making it really obvious what should probably be addressed. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4441
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:23:42 -
[408] - Quote
Well, to change this up a bit - here are the current SKIN price tiers (AUR):
GÇó 740, 1095, 1540, 1965, 2390, 2830, 3455, 4300, 6500
Here is how I would propose changing SKIN prices (AUR):
GÇó 740 ... All T1, T2 and Faction Frigates
GÇó 1095 ... All T1, T2, T3 and Faction Destroyers
GÇó 1540 ... All T1, T2 and Faction Cruisers
GÇó 1965 ... All T1 Battlecruisers and T3 Strategic Cruisers
GÇó 2390 ... All T2 and Faction Battlecruisers
GÇó 2830 ... All T1 Battleships
GÇó 3455 ... All T2 and Faction Battleships
GÇó 4300 ... All Carriers and Dreadnoughts
GÇó 6500 ... All Supercarriers and Titans
This is regardless of SKIN type. The less popular SKINs can be heavily discounted to encourage use and collection, or buffed and enhanced to bring them in-line with the popularity of other SKINs. SKINs should also be applicable to any racial ship in that class as opposed to a specific ship per say. Initially this might be limited to a single ship or two, but with every expansion or update this can be expanded to include additional ship(s) for the license holder.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2015.05.15 05:01:06 -
[409] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow so much anger over something so petty Spaceships barbie is serious bidness Indeed it is! Dude! Your head. Mr Epeen
Epenis is seriously the ONLY person on reddit or failheap forums or twitter or eveonline forums defending this massive misstep and blunder by ccp.
Dude we all know you heavily speculated on skins. We all know you want to make a lot of isk on it, but dude im sure you still will and sure you dont need it that bad extra anyways.
Just shut up, suck it up, and take one for the entire community and join the pitchfork and torches rage crew that is literally the rest of eve. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8537
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Posted - 2015.05.15 05:32:19 -
[410] - Quote
Persifonne wrote:
Dude we all know...
There you go with that whole 'we' thing again.
When you say we, you mean the three alts (that I know of) that you post with, right? Because as far as I can tell they are the only ones agreeing with you in any given thread.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2015.05.15 05:36:27 -
[411] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Persifonne wrote:
Dude we all know...
There you go with that whole 'we' thing again. When you say we, you mean the three alts (that I know of) that you post with, right? Because as far as I can tell they are the only ones agreeing with you in any given thread. Mr Epeen
You admitted to heavily buying a lot of Quafe stuff in one thread, ill see if i can find it.
You are also ignorant if you think that the majority of eve is kosher with this situation. Dude you wont make as much isk this time as you planned. That happens in economies and markets. Get over it and help the greater good (ie RAGE! PITCHFORK MONUMENT SHOOT-!) |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
64
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Posted - 2015.05.15 06:10:38 -
[412] - Quote
Persifonne wrote:(ie RAGE! PITCHFORK MONUMENT SHOOT-!)
I will be at 14:30 EVE time at the monument in Jita, shooting it. Join me if you dare do such outraging desecration!  |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4446
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Posted - 2015.05.15 08:39:42 -
[413] - Quote
Bellanea Rajanir wrote:I will be at 14:30 EVE time at the monument in Jita, shooting it. Join me if you dare do such outraging desecration!
Will you be SKINned?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31494
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Posted - 2015.05.15 10:33:58 -
[414] - Quote
Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Persifonne wrote:(ie RAGE! PITCHFORK MONUMENT SHOOT-!) I will be at 14:30 EVE time at the monument in Jita, shooting it. Join me if you dare do such outraging desecration!
Does r/eve know about this?
Help, I can't download EVE
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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:23:38 -
[415] - Quote
Jita monument shoot happening now at officially at 14:30!! |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
65
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:41:27 -
[416] - Quote
Shooting for 11 minutes already! Already two corpses flying by near the monument, people run in chaos! Mob bumping haulers at the undock with rookie ships! Whoooooohooo! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11009
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:45:52 -
[417] - Quote
I want to shoot the monument, but I am Le Tired. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
24645
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Posted - 2015.05.15 15:14:34 -
[418] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:I want to shoot the monument, but I am Le Tired.
Hello Le Tired!
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
The difference between me whining and you whining is that I whine and keep trying, no matter what.
You weaklings do nothing BUT whining. Disgusting.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
126
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:34:15 -
[419] - Quote
So when devblog? I cant find anything on eve-o forums about it other tgan Falcon promising it for start of this week.
Link to eve-online post bout it? |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
67
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Posted - 2015.05.15 19:04:38 -
[420] - Quote
Well, maybe we should just forget about it. I am hungry.
Shooting oficially stopped....now. |
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chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
41
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:37:50 -
[421] - Quote
Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Well, maybe we should just forget about it. I am hungry. Shooting oficially stopped....now.
Sadly many people simply dont care enough to shoot the monument again.
Shooting was the pinnacle of EVE.
Pilots hand in hand fought for what was ours - EVE !
There is no doubt nor debate CCP made a mistake by limiting SKINS to T1 sh*t tier ships and then charging them insane prices.
Sadly it will take Hillmar a long time to understand what went wrong.
"Greed is good" part of upper management probably will never understand.
Logic is simple - if you pay 30$ for T1 skin then you will pay 90$ for T2 skin.
Because we all wear Japanese designer jeans for 1000 $ outside CCP.
Sadly Hillmar and his band of disillusioned helpers do not understand that you can make more money with a live horse that you take care of then by beating a dead horse with a large Japanese designer stick.
Changing SKINS to be used vertically for hulls would make people pay extra, because they would be worth it.
Say you buy Gallente cruiser SKIN for 30$ and then you can use it on all Gallente cruisers ( T1 / T2 / T3 ) variants .
Would that make you a satisfied customer ? Of-course it would.
Also with larger amount of people buying CCP would receive more revenue.
Its not rocket science CCP.
Just ask former CCP employees at Riot. Im sure they can give you a hint or 10. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2999
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:41:44 -
[422] - Quote
chelly Dian wrote:Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Well, maybe we should just forget about it. I am hungry. Shooting oficially stopped....now. Sadly many people simply dont care enough to shoot the monument again. Shooting was the pinnacle of EVE. Pilots hand in hand fought for what was ours - EVE ! There is no doubt nor debate CCP made a mistake by limiting SKINS to T1 sh*t tier ships and then charging them insane prices. Sadly it will take Hillmar a long time to understand what went wrong. "Greed is good" part of upper management probably will never understand. Logic is simple - if you pay 30$ for T1 skin then you will pay 90$ for T2 skin. Because we all wear Japanese designer jeans for 1000 $ outside CCP. Sadly Hillmar and his band of disillusioned helpers do not understand that you can make more money with a live horse that you take care of then by beating a dead horse with a large Japanese designer stick. Changing SKINS to be used vertically for hulls would make people pay extra, because they would be worth it. Say you buy Gallente cruiser SKIN for 30$ and then you can use it on all Gallente cruisers ( T1 / T2 / T3 ) variants . Would that make you a satisfied customer ? Of-course it would. Also with larger amount of people buying CCP would receive more revenue. Its not rocket science CCP. Just ask former CCP employees at Riot. Im sure they can give you a hint or 10.
I would laugh, but that would be extremely insulting ......
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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chelly Dian
Shadow State
The Bastion
41
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:46:26 -
[423] - Quote
Laughing implies jest.
Most people laugh of jesting.
Others lack of comprehension.
Fools laugh every day. Yet they insult no one. For we pitty the fool that is laughing at us.
So laugh away my fool, we will take no insult.
Much like a primate would beat chest to show dominance because no amount of wisdom will make primate understand. |
Memphis Baas
400
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Posted - 2015.05.16 01:30:08 -
[424] - Quote
I think limiting skins per ship class (for example cruisers - regardless of tech level) won't make either side happy:
The bug discussed at the beginning of this thread shows that the skins don't actually fit T2 or T3 models, and CCP has indicated that they have to work at making skins that fit, and they have to QA the T2/T3 ships to make sure there aren't any visual glitches. Asking for a skin that fits T1, T2, and T3 cruisers means CCP has to do this work, just because we decided to use this particular way of classifying our ships. It's probably easier for them to have skins that fit all T1 ships, and then work on the T2 and T3 ship models one by one, to get skins for them.
And from the player point of view, if they do this work, making sure that frigate skins fit all frigates, cruiser skins all cruisers, etc., why not do the job right and code a system where each skin fits ALL ships. At which point, artificially limiting these universal skins to certain ship classes would be as artificial as limiting them to individual ships. It's fine if that's what CCP wants to do with the pricing, but their price points will still be judged based on the fact that it's possible for each skin to work on all ships. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1459
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Posted - 2015.05.16 02:17:52 -
[425] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:I think limiting skins per ship class (for example cruisers - regardless of tech level) won't make either side happy:
The bug discussed at the beginning of this thread shows that the skins don't actually fit T2 or T3 models, and CCP has indicated that they have to work at making skins that fit, and they have to QA the T2/T3 ships to make sure there aren't any visual glitches. Asking for a skin that fits T1, T2, and T3 cruisers means CCP has to do this work, just because we decided to use this particular way of classifying our ships. It's probably easier for them to have skins that fit all T1 ships, and then work on the T2 and T3 ship models one by one, to get skins for them.
And from the player point of view, if they do this work, making sure that frigate skins fit all frigates, cruiser skins all cruisers, etc., why not do the job right and code a system where each skin fits ALL ships. At which point, artificially limiting these universal skins to certain ship classes would be as artificial as limiting them to individual ships. It's fine if that's what CCP wants to do with the pricing, but their price points will still be judged based on the fact that it's possible for each skin to work on all ships.
Personally, I'm not seeing why the capability to apply skins needs to mirror the method of selling them. QA aside, we already know that every skin works on some level with every ship. I just don't see how that obligates them in any way to actually implement them like that. It also allows price points to proportionally mirror the cost of ships they apply to instead of creating a single super price tier.
Sticking to their guns with the lore considerations also theoretically helps with skin variety. The fewer hulls they need to QA with a particular skin, the more skins they can QA in a given time period and the faster the available variety grows.
Also wasn't the domi, a T1 ship, said to have an issue with the Quafe skin that needed fixed? |
Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2015.05.16 04:16:23 -
[426] - Quote
I loved the skin idea, but now that we know more about how the skins work, I will never pay ccp for a skin that works on one hull. I bought some of the skinned ships off aurum store when ccp first put them there, but part of that was the new and shiny impulse buy urge. Testing my blood raiders skin on every ship I had, sure, a few it didnt display the blood pattern, but they still looked cool.
If the skins are unlimited, working on all ships, then 1 or 2 plex can be justified. 1 plex for a skin that only works on one battleship/cruiser/frigate/whatever hull type? thats crazy, and ccp needs to rethink this.
Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2015.05.16 05:47:04 -
[427] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:I think limiting skins per ship class (for example cruisers - regardless of tech level) won't make either side happy:
The bug discussed at the beginning of this thread shows that the skins don't actually fit T2 or T3 models, and CCP has indicated that they have to work at making skins that fit, and they have to QA the T2/T3 ships to make sure there aren't any visual glitches. Asking for a skin that fits T1, T2, and T3 cruisers means CCP has to do this work, just because we decided to use this particular way of classifying our ships. It's probably easier for them to have skins that fit all T1 ships, and then work on the T2 and T3 ship models one by one, to get skins for them.
And from the player point of view, if they do this work, making sure that frigate skins fit all frigates, cruiser skins all cruisers, etc., why not do the job right and code a system where each skin fits ALL ships. At which point, artificially limiting these universal skins to certain ship classes would be as artificial as limiting them to individual ships. It's fine if that's what CCP wants to do with the pricing, but their price points will still be judged based on the fact that it's possible for each skin to work on all ships.
The problem isn't we want it all now. The problem is we want to know what the Plan is.
We want to know will we be able to skin any ship any way, and if not, what will be the limits?
Will we see Skins available for more than just AUR and the 30day drops.
Will we get some sort of SANE pricing on the NES, cause atm prices seem totally random.
It costs more than a PLEX to get a Sarum Tormentor.. a T1 Frig skin. I can get a Syndicate Myrm, Roden Brutix, and an Interbus Vexor for that, and have Aurum left over. It's totally random. It costs the same to get an Khanid Aeon Skin as it does the Apoc, or the Oracle..
We keep asking the questions, CCP keeps saying we hear you, and we hear NOTHING back.
I want to know what CCP's plans are. THEN we can have a talk about the direction.. At the moment we are all sitting here blind, with a few scraps of Skins, and no idea where things will go.
To add insult to injury, when CCP finally said they were gonna let us in on the plan, they then decided not too because there were some vague posts made on ANOTHER site, that in no way laid out what CCP was GOING to do, just what some dev's personal opinions were.. |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2015.05.16 10:30:20 -
[428] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:I think limiting skins per ship class (for example cruisers - regardless of tech level) won't make either side happy:
The bug discussed at the beginning of this thread shows that the skins don't actually fit T2 or T3 models, and CCP has indicated that they have to work at making skins that fit, and they have to QA the T2/T3 ships to make sure there aren't any visual glitches. Asking for a skin that fits T1, T2, and T3 cruisers means CCP has to do this work, just because we decided to use this particular way of classifying our ships. It's probably easier for them to have skins that fit all T1 ships, and then work on the T2 and T3 ship models one by one, to get skins for them.
And from the player point of view, if they do this work, making sure that frigate skins fit all frigates, cruiser skins all cruisers, etc., why not do the job right and code a system where each skin fits ALL ships. At which point, artificially limiting these universal skins to certain ship classes would be as artificial as limiting them to individual ships. It's fine if that's what CCP wants to do with the pricing, but their price points will still be judged based on the fact that it's possible for each skin to work on all ships. The problem isn't we want it all now. The problem is we want to know what the Plan is. We want to know will we be able to skin any ship any way, and if not, what will be the limits? Will we see Skins available for more than just AUR and the 30day drops. Will we get some sort of SANE pricing on the NES, cause atm prices seem totally random. It costs more than a PLEX to get a Sarum Tormentor.. a T1 Frig skin. I can get a Syndicate Myrm, Roden Brutix, and an Interbus Vexor for that, and have Aurum left over. It's totally random. It costs the same to get an Khanid Aeon Skin as it does the Apoc, or the Oracle.. We keep asking the questions, CCP keeps saying we hear you, and we hear NOTHING back. I want to know what CCP's plans are. THEN we can have a talk about the direction.. At the moment we are all sitting here blind, with a few scraps of Skins, and no idea where things will go. To add insult to injury, when CCP finally said they were gonna let us in on the plan, they then decided not too because there were some vague posts made on ANOTHER site, that in no way laid out what CCP was GOING to do, just what some dev's personal opinions were..
Seriously why cant this business company freaking understand this? ?
Can she be hired as a reality-check consultant? |
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
41
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Posted - 2015.05.16 10:38:55 -
[429] - Quote
If a Merlin skin already costs $30
Think how much a Harpy will cost...
Then try to imagine price tag on a Hawk.
You could easliy spend around the price of ONE YEAR SUBscription just buy 3 versions of basically the SAME EXACT hull with current price scheme.
If t1 frig goes for $30, you KNOW the t2 version is gonna cost a lot.
Greed is Good |
Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2015.05.17 13:27:25 -
[430] - Quote
Wanna bet price of t2 skins? Say bet price of HAC and Black Ops?
Or think how much it will cost to buy Ishkur, Incursus and Enyo skins. (Hint: one skin will basically work Perfect on all 3.) But ccp gonna charge $20 for incurus, 40 for enyo and a leg for ishkur.
I bet Ishtar gonna cost like $60 for skins and Reedeamers and Panthers like $80
Hell a MERLIN ALREADY COSTS $30
Greed is Good |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31506
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Posted - 2015.05.18 08:05:20 -
[431] - Quote
Oddly enough, that Merlin SKIN is trading on market at around 35,000,000.00, and I'm still trying to figure out what the cause of the massive depreciation is. It's 3.5% of its listed AUR value (4,300 AUR est 1,020,000,000.00 ISK).
I'm a frequent customer of PLEX and AUR, I don't care who knows. And what I've found is that my real money spending is tied to a stable amount, and doesn't fluctuate. The only thing that changes is what I decide to spend it on. In other words, here are two scenarios of player spending behavior:
Player A:
Really cool stuff means spending extra money
Player B:
Buys cool stuff but only spends X money, usually on the coolest thing out of what's available.
So for someone like me, it doesn't matter how cool the offerings are, or how expensive they are, I will tend to only spend $100-$200 every six months. I haven't decided what this means for AUR pricing, if other players spend this way. I wouldn't be surprised if the total real-money spending by players hasn't changed from before SKINs were introduced.
I also haven't thoroughly chewed on the implications of AUR item tendency to hit dirt cheap prices on market. I wonder if it's just a failure of appeal, and it means players just don't find it that interesting. Even if it's character-bound, in the case of the Merlin Nugoeihuvi SKIN, players simply don't care (according to market prices).
I've spent some time looking into real money / vanity item sales in other video games, and it has explained a lot about the AUR store, and makes EVE's pricing seem normal.
The problem I see now is ship SKINs are not as cool as items offered in other games (mostly armor and clothing), and simply lack the same visual power. Perhaps this is a problem with the layout of the client, where it's beneficial to remain as zoomed-out as possible from the ship. In other games, your avatar or vehicle is front-and-center on your screen and the game client is more or less designed as a constant showcase of your avatar/vehicle.
In EVE's case the customization of color also falls short of other game item offerings, which have extra bits like streamers or fabric, and lighting effects... perhaps showing more skin on the avatar. For the most part, they alter the silhouette of your character.
The only analogue that comes to mind in EVE is the EWAR suites seen on the Blackbird / Rook / Falcon. I think ship customization has to approach that type of impact before it can compare to the items offered in other games: different engine models, cockpit, tails, wings. A customization of the 3D mesh, not just the textures.
On a related note,
I take that to mean station interiors are being deleted for the sake of simplicity, in addition to structures becoming a single brand (no more Caldari / Gal / Min/ Amarr stations). If that's the case, EVE is losing a major showcase of its ships (ship hangar and CQ from the bridge).
My interim verdict is fairly negative. It seems to me that vanity spending in other video games is tied to the avatar, an appreciation for which EVE's players don't seem to have, or want to admit having. You can't charge barbie prices without providing the barbie.
Pricing is fine, cool factor is lacking. Color scheme is not enough customization, and alterations to the base 3D mesh need to be offered.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2015.05.18 13:02:31 -
[432] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Oddly enough, that Merlin SKIN is trading on market at around 35,000,000.00, and I'm still trying to figure out what the cause of the massive depreciation is. It's 3.5% of its listed AUR value (4,300 AUR est 1,020,000,000.00 ISK).
Simple enough: a large stockpile of that SKIN was created when the old skinned ships, of which this was one, were converted to the new system and end users haven't exhausted that stockpile yet. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31510
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Posted - 2015.05.18 13:32:11 -
[433] - Quote
Ok, thanks. I must have misread or misunderstood something in the SKIN devblog. I thought the old NES offerings were discontinued when SKINs hit. Something about a reward for players who participated in the NES trial. Is that not what happened? I assumed current SKINs were not the same as pre-SKIN NES offerings.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:15:50 -
[434] - Quote
All skins were withdrawn from sale at the time of the announcement and all existing ship skins were converted on patch day to base ships and skins in the owners' redemption queues. Some of those skins were then relisted in the NES at the new, higher price reflecting their permanent status. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
127
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Posted - 2015.05.18 20:19:01 -
[435] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:All skins were withdrawn from sale at the time of the announcement and all existing ship skins were converted on patch day to base ships and skins in the owners' redemption queues. Some of those skins were then relisted in the NES at the new, higher price reflecting their permanent status.
We understand this.
But that $30 merlin skin is currently on market for 35-42million isk.
So you are saying it will go up 300% to 1.2 billion isk soon on market to reflect the new higher aur price?
Maybe people just refuse to pay more than 40mill (1/20th of a plex) on the frigate skin?
Supply N Demand? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31520
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Posted - 2015.05.18 20:31:51 -
[436] - Quote
Masao Kurata wrote:All skins were withdrawn from sale at the time of the announcement and all existing ship skins were converted on patch day to base ships and skins in the owners' redemption queues. Some of those skins were then relisted in the NES at the new, higher price reflecting their permanent status.
OK wait. They were removed from the NES but then they weren't... that means they weren't.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Alli Ginthur
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
52
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Posted - 2015.05.18 21:10:44 -
[437] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:All skins were withdrawn from sale at the time of the announcement and all existing ship skins were converted on patch day to base ships and skins in the owners' redemption queues. Some of those skins were then relisted in the NES at the new, higher price reflecting their permanent status. OK wait. They were removed from the NES but then they weren't... that means they weren't. Quote:As a way to reward early adopters of the Ship Paint Pilot Program, and in preparation for the new SKIN system release, all existing skin Blueprints will no longer be purchasable from the NES as of the publication of this dev blog.
The ship blueprint bpcs were pulled from the NES when the blog dropped. They're back up now as permanent SKIN licenses, with the new pricing. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31520
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Posted - 2015.05.18 21:12:46 -
[438] - Quote
lol yes I understand this. I guess the permanent unavailability thing was my imagination. I read too far into it.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
460
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Posted - 2015.05.20 02:41:00 -
[439] - Quote
Still no Dev Blog..
I think CCP is doing this intentionally, to try and have everyone forget about how awesome that weekend was. |
Shailagh
LUX AETERNA INT
RUST415
100
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Posted - 2015.05.20 04:09:52 -
[440] - Quote
On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing. Yes we want t2 skins, yes we want police and blood raider and even maurader skins. But we want you to fix the prices and availability and restrictions first.
You better explain yoselfs tomorrow.
Like seriously, devblog promised last week, and they now silently sneaking new higher priced hull-restricted skins in again just to cash out?
Devblog asap |
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Mrs M34N
M34N Pos Services
Mean Coalition
0
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Posted - 2015.05.20 09:02:36 -
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Maybe people just refuse to pay more than 40mill (1/20th of a plex) on the frigate skin?
Supply N Demand?[/quote]
... I guess they just totaly ignored the Epeen fact that NONE of his Skins are shown anymore in Overview / Scan
end especially on Killmails...
so just no one intrested in buying Skins -nothing to "show-off" or to "stand out" like in the CCP Advertise
the only one seeing your Skin is... you
and down goes the market value 
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31527
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Posted - 2015.05.20 09:24:30 -
[442] - Quote
T2 and Pirate. Pretty sure this is CCP attempting to deliver within the constraints of their current pricing plan. They're taking the holy grail ship for one of their most distinct demographics (marauders and lone, high sec lurkers), and applying the most handsome-looking SKINs to them.
Now I'm expecting the future of SKINs dev blog to say something about releasing the planned lines of SKINs and then going from there. Potentially that is a long time but, by looking this good, the trickle strategy might manage to not make players upset in the meantime. In the interest of honest feedback, I will admit they have a good chance.
Paladin Blood Raider
Kronos Police
Vargur Thukker
and lastly, the Golem Kaalakiota
When I saw the listing in market and then the preview, I heard this in my head.
Nestor
Stratios
Astero
Album
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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
44
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Posted - 2015.05.20 10:45:18 -
[443] - Quote
There's how EVE lives on.
Selling skins. And then PLEX for VIP and free to play. |
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
DARKNESS.
74
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[444] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.
I has been 2 weeks.. so, where is the Dev Blog?
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
67
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Posted - 2015.05.20 12:59:42 -
[445] - Quote
Shailagh wrote:On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing.
They should be giving away all of the Skins for the price of one right? How dare they try and make money by provide something that people have been asking for. (end of sarcasm)
Joking aside, it is mainly just the same few people keeping this thread alive, and asking for something which is completely unreasonable given that CCP has spent months working on and implementing this new system.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
127
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Posted - 2015.05.20 13:32:28 -
[446] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Shailagh wrote:On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing. They should be giving away all of the Skins for the price of one right? How dare they try and make money by provide something that people have been asking for. (end of sarcasm) Joking aside, it is mainly just the same few people keeping this thread alive, and asking for something which is completely unreasonable given that CCP has spent months working on and implementing this new system.
You are confused. For years and years players have been asking to put alliance/corp logos/colors on ships. Thats how this came about dude. Ccp then was like, oh you guys wanna customize your ships? Well here well just change the color pallet a few times and charge $20 for different shades of color.
That is not, repeat not, what the players have been asking for for years dude. Just fyi.
Also it may have taken months to implement this system, yet how long do you seriously think it took to get the Police skin to work on the Kronos?? The same time/effort to get it to work on the Comet and Vexor as was proved with the bug. What 20mins of Q&A to ensure the lines/lights/logos line up correct? Thats work how much $50? $60? $30?
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
462
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:04:37 -
[447] - Quote
Shailagh wrote:On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing. Yes we want t2 skins, yes we want police and blood raider and even maurader skins. But we want you to fix the prices and availability and restrictions first.
You better explain yoselfs tomorrow.
Like seriously, devblog promised last week, and they now silently sneaking new higher priced hull-restricted skins in again just to cash out?
Devblog asap
Marauder skins were added to TQ in DEC.. Just never seeded, and no devs ever commented on them or answered my dozens of comments in topic about them and when we expect to see them. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31527
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Posted - 2015.05.20 19:08:24 -
[448] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Shailagh wrote:On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing. They should be giving away all of the Skins for the price of one right? How dare they try and make money by provide something that people have been asking for. (end of sarcasm) Joking aside, it is mainly just the same few people keeping this thread alive, and asking for something which is completely unreasonable given that CCP has spent months working on and implementing this new system.
Do you feel that is better or worse than players and devs discussing this on Reddit
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1808
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Posted - 2015.05.20 19:33:16 -
[449] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Maybe people just refuse to pay more than 40mill (1/20th of a plex) on the frigate skin?
Supply N Demand?
They don't have to follow supply and demand principle since they can't be cut out of the market. They are the exclusive supplier anyway. You buy are their price or you don't. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31527
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:01:09 -
[450] - Quote
I have a feeling there is going to be a primarily SKINs release soon. Because reasons.
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Zealous Miner
228
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:37:16 -
[451] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:You are confused. For years and years players have been asking to put alliance/corp logos/colors on ships. Thats how this came about dude.
They already stated quite a long while ago that they weren't going to work on implementing alliance/corp logos into ship skins until they actually fixed the alliance logo submission process first. The solution to which you might recall was only announced very recently.
It's going to be OK.
www.minerbumping.com
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
130
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Posted - 2015.05.21 04:06:03 -
[452] - Quote
Anyone feel like placing some bets on the price of the Maurader skins in aur and us $?
Id be willing to place like a Tristan Quafe skin or like a Talos or Myrm up as a bet if anyone wants to.
Im saying t2 skins atleast gotta be double price, prob a tad more cuz they are the Police Kronos and blood raider paladin and lots of bears use them so super rich/pve bearish (i.e. the perfect target audience for skins)
So ill opening betting with $57 US for the Kronos or Paly in Nes store price after buying necessary Aur.
Anyone wanna take bet? No over/under crap, just closest. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31527
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Posted - 2015.05.21 04:12:38 -
[453] - Quote
Whatever redeeming 2 PLEX gets you, or the comparable AUR pack (whichever one is higher) plus 100 AUR.
7220 AUR
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
1336
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Posted - 2015.05.21 05:27:20 -
[454] - Quote
All skins for everything!
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8538
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Posted - 2015.05.21 06:48:37 -
[455] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Whatever redeeming 2 PLEX gets you, or the comparable AUR pack (whichever one is higher) plus 100 AUR.
7220 AUR
Just for adding insult to injury, it has to be plus 5 AUR.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31528
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Posted - 2015.05.21 06:49:21 -
[456] - Quote
the dollar value = $30.01.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Sykaotic
Renegade Armada.
43
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Posted - 2015.05.21 08:33:00 -
[457] - Quote
People are paying more per ship on *that other game* so big fing deal.
Pony up if your here for a beauty contest. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8539
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:36:29 -
[458] - Quote
Sykaotic wrote:People are paying more per ship on *that other game* so big fing deal.
Pony up if your here for a beauty contest. If you want to compare it, take into consideration all factors.
And here you pay for color, as tech and ship is already implemented, you pay subscription. There they must do modeling and design, and did you saw those ships?
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2015.05.21 16:30:54 -
[459] - Quote
Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2015.05.21 16:55:04 -
[460] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it.
They seriously better write/release it before going on strike |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8616
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:05:14 -
[461] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it.
While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship.
Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:16:48 -
[462] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship. Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it. Mr Epeen
But Falcon promised! ! They shouldn't have promised and had a big meeting about it then.
And you only care cuz you HEAVILY speculated into Skins. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
68
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:24:14 -
[463] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship. Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it. Mr Epeen But Falcon promised! ! They shouldn't have promised and had a big meeting about it then.
Now we are getting some real content with V5++. This is what CCP should be focusing on, not ship SKINs. This will make a big difference to everyone and is for the overall benefit of the game. I'd much rather see CCP focusing on stuff like this than vanity items. |
Memphis Baas
421
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:54:44 -
[464] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:But Falcon promised! Falcon posts what his bosses tell him to post. Like this. Not sure why people like the guy. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8539
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:35:58 -
[465] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:But Falcon promised! Falcon posts what his bosses tell him to post. Like this. Not sure why people like the guy.
Falcon is only a man that is stranded on volcanic island with cold weather and hakarl smelling vikings. Sometimes he must submit to them to survive one day longer.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:36:33 -
[466] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship. Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it. Mr Epeen
Then maybe they shouldn't of promised to have one for us for LAST week? I didn't demand a Dev Blog, they said they were gonna post one rather than answer questions on the forums.. Instead they have done neither. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:49:59 -
[467] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship. Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it. Mr Epeen Then maybe they shouldn't of promised to have one for us for LAST week? I didn't demand a Dev Blog, they said they were gonna post one rather than answer questions on the forums.. Instead they have done neither.
Tomorrow's Friday...
So you guys think they finally give us the devblog tomorrow or is it gonna go into week three without blog after promised next week? |
The Golden Serpent
Kokutai
32
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:18:07 -
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Uh, im okay with CCP making money for the game I had no part in creating...some of the people here are the most scumbag communist collectivists I have ever seen.
I like the lore based restrictions they help flesh out the world. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
135
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Posted - 2015.05.22 03:27:15 -
[469] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:But Falcon promised! Falcon posts what his bosses tell him to post. Like this. Not sure why people like the guy. Falcon is only a man that is stranded on volcanic island with cold weather and hakarl smelling vikings. Sometimes he must submit to them to survive one day longer.
Lol |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
143
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:02:39 -
[470] - Quote
I cant find the answer. This thread was about the Sisi bug. We know they fixed it on TQ but is it still there on test server?
Devblog? |
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
632
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:05:21 -
[471] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I cant find the answer. This thread was about the Sisi bug. We know they fixed it on TQ but is it still there on test server?
Devblog?
why not just submit a support ticket instead of ranting daily on the forums about a devblog?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
89
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:11:58 -
[472] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I cant find the answer. This thread was about the Sisi bug. We know they fixed it on TQ but is it still there on test server?
Devblog?
Well now, take a look at the latest devblog, take in the details regarding materials and maps... I know it doesn't exactly answer the question regarding what is being done regarding roll-your-own SKINS, but it's highly likely they want to get V5++ done before moving on to custom SKINs. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1062
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:38:21 -
[473] - Quote
Is it just me or are the same people who cried that CCP adds skinns and shiny **** with the argument that it will create tons of new players and revenue for CCP the ones who now cry because they have to pay something for textures on their pixel spaceships?
I mean why should you care about how easy it is for them to create this skins if you wanted this microtransaction **** to purchase said skins in the first place?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
DARKNESS.
74
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:48:29 -
[474] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Falcon posts what his bosses tell him to post. Like this. Not sure why people like the guy.
Best quote ever. Your are my new hero.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:01:00 -
[475] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I cant find the answer. This thread was about the Sisi bug. We know they fixed it on TQ but is it still there on test server?
Devblog? why not just submit a support ticket instead of ranting daily on the forums about a devblog?
Because he said we'd get a Dev Blog. In fact he's said it twice.. Once here, and once a week later on Reddit after he was called out there for not doing it yet.
In most business if you tell a customer you're gonna do something, and don't, it doesn't go over well. He didn't say "We may release a devblog in the future".. he said it was gonna be posted, early Last week.
I'm just trying to hold CCP Accountable for what THEY say. If they aren't sure, then maybe they shouldn't be making promises? |
Arya Alderian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 21:48:53 -
[476] - Quote
Sniper Smith wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I cant find the answer. This thread was about the Sisi bug. We know they fixed it on TQ but is it still there on test server?
Devblog? why not just submit a support ticket instead of ranting daily on the forums about a devblog? Because he said we'd get a Dev Blog. In fact he's said it twice.. Once here, and once a week later on Reddit after he was called out there for not doing it yet. In most business if you tell a customer you're gonna do something, and don't, it doesn't go over well. He didn't say "We may release a devblog in the future".. he said it was gonna be posted, early Last week. I'm just trying to hold CCP Accountable for what THEY say. If they aren't sure, then maybe they shouldn't be making promises?
Well friday is over in Iceland.
Ccp Falcon, devblog early next week then?
Please give status report to us here.
Thanks |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
155
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Posted - 2015.05.26 11:59:38 -
[477] - Quote
I seen a couple of Police Skinned Ishtars last night. I was awwed and asked the guys and they said they kept them in a SMA.
So do people still have bugged skinned ships then? |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
155
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Posted - 2015.05.27 18:39:32 -
[478] - Quote
Middle of week 3 since Falcon promised our Devblog and no update yet...
? |
Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
108
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:15:50 -
[479] - Quote
It is pretty shoddy practice to fail to deliver on promises and go completely silent about it.
I'd be much more respecting of a "Hey I know we said we'd do this but it turns out we ran into some complex discussions or technical difficulties or whatever line you want to give us so it'll probably take more time." than just complete silence. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
478
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:24:38 -
[480] - Quote
Ya this is really irking me. If there's a reason for the delay, how hard would it be to say something.. but we know there's no reason for the delay, cause they said on the first week that they had intentionally stopped cause they didn't feel it was needed.. Then said they were gonna do it. So now they are just dragging their feet, probably hoping everyone forgets about it. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1465
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Posted - 2015.05.28 00:13:54 -
[481] - Quote
I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1486
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Posted - 2015.05.28 00:19:42 -
[482] - Quote
Thanks for the response, hoping to see something soon by way of response to the feedback. |
Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
108
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Posted - 2015.05.28 02:32:56 -
[483] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned.
Your response is appreciated, thank you. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2860
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Posted - 2015.05.28 10:42:17 -
[484] - Quote
Thank you for the update.
Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
166
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Posted - 2015.05.29 21:47:23 -
[485] - Quote
New Maurader skins coming tuesday.
Paladin Blood raider and Kronks police.
Bets on how much Aur these first t2 ships gonna cost? |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:40:02 -
[486] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned.
Thanks for the response..
Think you can give CCP Falcon a shot in the arm and at least tell him to come over and say something, given this dev blog is now a Month over due? It's not like it's just been a few days.. And he said on Reddit that the Blog was still in the works after it missed the original date.. (After saying there was no point..)
If there was a delay, he should of said something.. First time the response was the Blog wasn't needed, less than a week after promising it. Then it's been nothing but silence. If he couldn't deliver, he shouldn't have given a timeframe. Or at minimum came back to say "We're still working on it, but it's been delayed by XYZ..."
Not that I really accept the delays idea, given his post said everyone was on the same page. If it was all in agreement after a quick meeting on day a month ago, it shouldn't take a month to write a blog about it.
Or he could just cancel the devblog, go though the thread up till his original response, and answer the questions.. that would work too.
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:New Maurader skins coming tuesday.
Paladin Blood raider and Kronks police.
Bets on how much Aur these first t2 ships gonna cost?
Not really "new" given they have been in the game since the Dec update. Just never seeded :/ *rage*
As for Aur cost.. it'll be something insane, just like most of the current ones.. Either it'll be more than Titans, or it'll be cheaper than some Frigate skins.. either way, nuts. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
179
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Posted - 2015.06.01 13:44:53 -
[487] - Quote
A new day.
A new week.
A new month.
A new hope for the promised 4 weeks ago Skins Devblog?? |
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
402
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[488] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:[quote=Kerena Alabel]but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.
I'd like to get to the point that we can have our Corp colours as skins at least, for example the D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S logo is primarily black with red trim and silver highlights, I would love to get this colour combination on ALL the ships that I fly. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31644
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Posted - 2015.06.02 11:12:01 -
[489] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:New Maurader skins coming tuesday.
Paladin Blood raider and Kronks police.
Bets on how much Aur these first t2 ships gonna cost?
This question is preventing me from sleeping right now. I am ready to accept them for what they are, I just have to know.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
183
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Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned. Thanks for the response.. Think you can give CCP Falcon a shot in the arm and at least tell him to come over and say something, given this dev blog is now a Month over due? It's not like it's just been a few days.. And he said on Reddit that the Blog was still in the works after it missed the original date.. (After saying there was no point..) If there was a delay, he should of said something.. First time the response was the Blog wasn't needed, less than a week after promising it. Then it's been nothing but silence. If he couldn't deliver, he shouldn't have given a timeframe. Or at minimum came back to say "We're still working on it, but it's been delayed by XYZ..." Not that I really accept the delays idea, given his post said everyone was on the same page. If it was all in agreement after a quick meeting on day a month ago, it shouldn't take a month to write a blog about it. Or he could just cancel the devblog, go though the thread up till his original response, and answer the questions.. that would work too. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:New Maurader skins coming tuesday.
Paladin Blood raider and Kronks police.
Bets on how much Aur these first t2 ships gonna cost? Not really "new" given they have been in the game since the Dec update. Just never seeded :/ *rage* As for Aur cost.. it'll be something insane, just like most of the current ones.. Either it'll be more than Titans, or it'll be cheaper than some Frigate skins.. either way, nuts.
I wonder why Falcon the Community Manager refuses to update us on this?
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
723
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:25:30 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned. Thanks for the response.. Think you can give CCP Falcon a shot in the arm and at least tell him to come over and say something, given this dev blog is now a Month over due? It's not like it's just been a few days.. And he said on Reddit that the Blog was still in the works after it missed the original date.. (After saying there was no point..) If there was a delay, he should of said something.. First time the response was the Blog wasn't needed, less than a week after promising it. Then it's been nothing but silence. If he couldn't deliver, he shouldn't have given a timeframe. Or at minimum came back to say "We're still working on it, but it's been delayed by XYZ..." Not that I really accept the delays idea, given his post said everyone was on the same page. If it was all in agreement after a quick meeting on day a month ago, it shouldn't take a month to write a blog about it. Or he could just cancel the devblog, go though the thread up till his original response, and answer the questions.. that would work too. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:New Maurader skins coming tuesday.
Paladin Blood raider and Kronks police.
Bets on how much Aur these first t2 ships gonna cost? Not really "new" given they have been in the game since the Dec update. Just never seeded :/ *rage* As for Aur cost.. it'll be something insane, just like most of the current ones.. Either it'll be more than Titans, or it'll be cheaper than some Frigate skins.. either way, nuts. I wonder why Falcon the Community Manager refuses to update us on this?
have you tried submitting a support ticket?
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PlayerNikita
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:32:46 -
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Holy f*ck, the police skin for Kronos is absolutely amazing! Pleeease is there any way we could have it on Golem too? Im a giant fan of anything police themed, but it will take me forever to train Gallente maradeurs in addition to my Caldari-focused skills.
Plus it makes sense, considering Caldari corporations often have their own private police force, and you're working on them on most of the missions. Im ready to pay more for "cross-faction" skin. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31662
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:46:30 -
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2 PLEX purchased through Account Management, happy customer.
(I could have done the ISK -> PLEX -> AUR thing, but as a positive reinforcement thing, it was a symbolic purchase).
I'm converting the PLEX, getting the 4-pack, selling the not-Golem SKINs, and injecting the **** out of the Kaalakiota.
And getting a Golem to go with it, of course.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
1343
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Posted - 2015.06.04 07:24:12 -
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Im still waiting with anticipation. Nothing like a blood raider mega....
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2015.06.04 11:57:33 -
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Waiting with anticipation, having only recently seen the "any skin on any ship" post on reddit I'm super curious why ship skins can't just be sold as a "Blood Raiders Skin : Class" or "Sarum Skin : All". Besides "Greed is Good" I mean. |
Memphis Baas
434
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:06:40 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:I do know that art & graphics had to rearrange some work recently to keep next week's release on track. It's very likely it impacted following up on this, so don't worry and stay tuned.
You all had a meeting first thing in the morning and are all in agreement, right?
All we need to know. Don't bother posting whatever. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
186
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:44:51 -
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I am waiting with anticipation for the month-ovedue Skins Devblog |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
186
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:50:02 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too. To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them. This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director. We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at. All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page
Posted MAY 4th. Its JUNE 4th. If you were "all on the same page", how can it possibly take over ONE month to type up said page?? |
Memphis Baas
434
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Posted - 2015.06.04 15:00:52 -
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That question has an obvious answer, no point even asking: they're all on the same page to continue with their original plan (skin-per-ship, no universal), and we won't like that dev blog if they post it, so they won't. |
Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
609
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Posted - 2015.06.04 15:07:58 -
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I'd really dig more customisation options for my ship. I like flying Gallente ships, but many of them look weird and cancerous. |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
481
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Posted - 2015.06.04 15:51:34 -
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And another week past due.
You know, I'm a web developer. If I promised a client something, and we are ALL paying clients, and not only failed to deliver, but failed to even give an explanation, or respond in any way about it.. I wouldn't still have a job.
It really pisses me off. a CCP Dev is not just someone in your corp, playing in their free time, they miss a deadline so be it. He's a paid employee, who stated something to the clients, then didn't follow though, and we are now a MONTH over due without so much as single update. Either he doesn't care, or he can't deliver, either way he shouldn't of made the assurance, and should of updated us. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1487
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:14:24 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Posted MAY 4th. Its JUNE 4th. If you were "all on the same page", how can it possibly take over ONE month to type up said page??
I don't know about nor can I comment on any prospective dev blog. I also can't share specifics as to the nature of our plans. However, here's some information that may help put some of this in context.
EVE's art and graphics team (Team TriLambda) is now working on some changes to the technical underpinnings of ship SKINs to enable improvements to the feature. I mentioned in my last message that this work was delayed by a few weeks due to unrelated issues with the Carnyx release which came out on Tuesday. It is currently a top priority for Team TriLambda to complete this work.
Once some of these technical changes happen, Team Size Matters, which owns the SKINs feature, has some work to do to take advantage of them. I would expect that any promised dev blog would probably want to discuss their specific plans, with pictures, and this would require that everything on the graphics side is finished and ready to go.
I'm truly sorry that this work was delayed, and is taking longer than you (or we) would have liked. However, it's important to us to implement the resulting changes robustly and correctly.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16081
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:22:41 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Posted MAY 4th. Its JUNE 4th. If you were "all on the same page", how can it possibly take over ONE month to type up said page?? I don't know about nor can I comment on any prospective dev blog. I also can't share specifics as to the nature of our plans. However, here's some information that may help put some of this in context. EVE's art and graphics team (Team TriLambda) is now working on some changes to the technical underpinnings of ship SKINs to enable improvements to the feature. I mentioned in my last message that this work was delayed by a few weeks due to unrelated issues with the Carnyx release which came out on Tuesday. It is currently a top priority for Team TriLambda to complete this work. Once some of these technical changes happen, Team Size Matters, which owns the SKINs feature, has some work to do to take advantage of them. I would expect that any promised dev blog would probably want to discuss their specific plans, with pictures, and this would require that everything on the graphics side is finished and ready to go. I'm truly sorry that this work was delayed, and is taking longer than you (or we) would have liked. However, it's important to us to implement the resulting changes robustly and correctly.
Make this happen
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
481
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:24:58 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:...
I'm truly sorry that this work was delayed, and is taking longer than you (or we) would have liked. However, it's important to us to implement the resulting changes robustly and correctly.
Hey CCP Darwin.
If there are in fact Technical reasons why the blog hasn't been posted, then my rant remains true, there should have been an update made with an explanation WHY. If I run into Technical issues in a project, I update the client before the delivery date. I don't just blow the date and say nothing, at all, for a Month.
But I personally don't see why Technical issues should affect a blog that should of, at least from most of the questions posted, be far more genaric. We don't want dates for XYZ. We want an overview of the general direction for Skins. We want an explanation for the insane pricing of many of the Skins. We want to know if we are going to have skins limited only to their race, or if we will be able to see Quafe Paladins, and Interbus Avatars. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:26:12 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:If there are in fact Technical reasons why the blog hasn't been posted
You're in luck. Said dev blog was posted while I was writing that. I edited my post to link it.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
481
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:29:25 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:If there are in fact Technical reasons why the blog hasn't been posted You're in luck. Said dev blog was posted while I was writing that. I edited my post to link it.
Excellent.
My complements to CCP FoxFor :) |
Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
109
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:40:15 -
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I don't think a single player cares that the ishukonoeneon skin on unintended ships doesn't look like an ishkasdfuakone skin.
I think what they care about is having variety in their ships. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
777
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:11:45 -
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OOOoooh! I want it.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
186
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:14:54 -
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Damen Apol wrote:I don't think a single player cares that the ishukonoeneon skin on unintended ships doesn't look like an ishkasdfuakone skin.
I think what they care about is having variety in their ships.
Yup.
Also Falcon said CCP THOMAS the Monetization dude was at the meeting one month ago.
So why is there no talk of monetization and price structure in the devblog.
He was at the meeting..... tell us about that part |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
1343
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Posted - 2015.06.05 04:47:37 -
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Ok that looks good,
My one request, I would like to see more police skins for various ships. Something about red and blue flashy lights.... I cant wait for more I will throw my money at this.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
1235
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:04:01 -
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New dev blog out, shiny new skins. And explained that quality and oerformance prevent a release of what we loved as players. Ofc we didnt care about the quality as it still look ed good. Performance was soemthign we cant Judge.
If only the word cooperation ment my own cooperation, i ll glady pay 100 plex for an allaince skin for my ingame alliance, as a bpo |
Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
67
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Posted - 2015.08.18 18:57:38 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:
If only the word cooperation ment my own cooperation, i ll glady pay 100 plex for an allaince skin for my ingame alliance, as a bpo
Dreams. 1000 PLEX is not enough.
"Station atmosphere not yet decontaminated for capsuleer consumption."
Just open the door. Let it ventilate for some time.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
431
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Posted - 2015.09.25 21:16:01 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:New dev blog out, shiny new skins. And explained that quality and oerformance prevent a release of what we loved as players. Ofc we didnt care about the quality as it still look ed good. Performance was soemthign we cant Judge.
If only the word cooperation ment my own cooperation, i ll glady pay 100 plex for an allaince skin for my ingame alliance, as a bpo
I thought they said we could get alliance logos on ships.
What happened to this? |
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
436
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Posted - 2015.09.28 05:43:14 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Ok that looks good,
My one request, I would like to see more police skins for various ships. Something about red and blue flashy lights.... I cant wait for more I will throw my money at this.
I agree.
Ccps account doesnt |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
45
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:17:21 -
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Just saying, I would pay an irresponsible amount of money for SKINs that work on any ship. Just saying.
Sauce.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
441
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:34:18 -
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Can we buy the black T3 loki and legion skins?
2-4-1 pack deal please |
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