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Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:14:00 - [31] lol, have fun not competing with anyone then. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Victor Valka Irony also requires a bit of knowledge about the person attempting irony as well as a good delivery on the part of said person. Of that, we have none here. //signed
Jack Cromwell Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:31:00 - [33] Not signed. It may well encourage more people out of high sec and it seems that only pirates looking for easy kills are against this. Gate camps will still be effective as you are still going to be at risk after you jump though a gate and allign to where you want to go. I really hope warp to 0 comes to Tranquility no more wasted hours copying instas and reduced lag making the game better for us and as other people have said on this thread I would delete my instas as well. Jack Cromwell Azure Horizon
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Irony is one of the higher forms of humor, generally requiring a complex understanding of the issue being addressed for it to be understood. Thanks for playing, though ;) Irony is indeed one of the higher forms of humour. Unfortunatley, like most attempts at humour it requires a good context, and skill at using it. Simply using irony does not make something funny as you have aptly demonstrated: you need to use it well. Here's a tip: in text form irony needs to be rather obvious, unless you have a particularly high-brow audience. Just like text sarcasm. Anyway I'm sure you learnt your lesson. Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:58:00 - [35] Wow, forums are entertainment today. GlumPumpkin your name says it all. You are definately not Vulcan as there is no logic in anything you have said.... Klingon?? LOLOLOLOL /definately not signed Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Keleth	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. Good Lord, you're a moron. /notsigned Keleth
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:09:00 - [37] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/11/2006 11:10:51 This is actually quite a good bit of mockery of the anti warp to 0km people when you know its meant as irony. But given the extreme amount of mindless drivel posted on this forum, you do need to make deliberate irony more blatant than this. ---------- IBTL \o/
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:26:00 - [38] Not signed because plain and simple, insta's have to go! If this is the way the DEV's choose to remove insta's, we can deal with the game mechanics this breaks later, what comes first is server performance... Honestly, now the only gates you get stopped at are the ones that are camped with bubbles, the rest that are not camped, you can travel quickly to and from. This is the way it should have been at release, but the DEV's wanted to give the "pirates" 7.5 KM then 15 KM to have a chance to gank, instaÆs ruined that plan anyways... Now we just need a clever way to make more PvP happen away from gates, especially in empire wars... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:26:00 - [39] I'll be warping to 0 like everyone else in EVE, or sitting on a gate taking out suckers that think warping to 15 has some sort of honour attached to it I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:51:00 - [40] Cleaned up a bit. Please refrain from flaming. Read the forum rules before posting. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected]. Now your sig is mine MUAHAHAHAHAHA - Xorus

Dubble Dutch Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:54:00 - [41] I'm new to this game (1 month) and I have been hearing a lot of swearing on the insta's/warp to 0. It seems to me the original idea was that a warp engine cannot bring you close to a specific point in space due to the nature of the thing. (it would be very impressive to travel 50AU and land within less then a km 'off'. Nowadays GPS will get you within a few meters at best, and the satelites fly at less then 40 km IIRC) So why doesn't CCP make it so that with whatever warppoint you travel to (bookmark, station or whatever) you actually will NEVER arrive at the exact spot? Let the game generate a random number for the last digit (X,Y and Z) for any point in space that is being warped to and the need for insta's will disappear as well. I've started to use insta's as well: what the game allows I will do, but I find the idea silly that there is no standard way to 'warp to 0' while there is a workaround. The most silly thing is offcourse that while selecting the insta warppoint you still choose 'warp within 15 km' which makes me think the whole point was (and is) the inherent inaccuracy of warping (and simulating that in the game) my two cents, Cheers, Dubble Dutch
Lord DeFault Minmatar Serenity Prime Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:09:00 - [42] WhatÆs with these whining Empire Pirates? Go to 0.0 and use a bloody Bubble. Your as bad as the carebears. Stop clogging Empire space. They play with this idea every patch... Something gotta be done the bookmark system. it's to badly coded. And CCP to tight to upgrade there hardware to mach there bad coding. They wont leave the info on disk, Due to people adding and changing bookmarks... err nmmmm....Hmm. It's custom ethier way. Wouldn't have to copy 700 book marks every you move home, just for gate to gate? Gott sei dank! Not signed. The PrePatch Day song
Ariya Arnaud	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:23:00 - [43] /Semi-Signed The instas need to be removed, now, or better yet - three years ago. Cudos to CCP for finally having the courage to do so, however: Adding a warp-to-0 is like killing bunnies with axes, and hacking your feet off to get rid of the smell after a day at work. It's a hack of a solution, even on the best of days. To quote another poster: "It cheapens the game." EVE and CCP are better than this. We are better than this. I would much prefer a more elegant solution. Like Low-Slot Modules to increase the warp accuracy - something that will not only ruin the insta-jumper's tanking abilities - but also limit the number of stabs they can fit with the severely reduced number of low slots left over. There will be less need to nerf the WCS modules. Higher warp accuracy by default for small ships - worse for battleships, etcetera. If worked on, it could be an excellent solution. If such a solution could be worked out, it would be more in line with the original game idea. It'll still allow people to warp to 0 - but prevent fully tanked warships from doing it. It'll also stop the 7-WCS Armageddons from appearing, as they will be sitting ducks while travelling to the gate. If such a solution could be worked out, it would be a lot better in every way, shape and form. Bunnies are best killed with shotguns, and feet just need to be washed. Put the axe away, please. My 2c. /Semi-Signed
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:51:00 - [44] Warp to 0km cheapens the game, therefor I will warp to 0km with insta to lag the server. /pffft not signed
Miya Kurosawa Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:57:00 - [45] Edited by: Miya Kurosawa on 07/11/2006 13:00:17 I think this is a very straightforward solution to the people whining for and against instas. BMs are a hassle; go ahead warp to 0 manually. Can't catch people coz they have warp to 0 work with a gang that has an interceptor to scout for him and an interdictor to trap him. Yes I guess it cheapens the game for you because it requires more effort to catch people. Well get over it. This thing can actually encourage more people to move into .0 and lowsec so there's more prey for you. Edit: this post was not for the previous guy but for the whiners against this. thanks Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Pinoy ako! =) For you Philippine players out there, join us in the Pinoy channel
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:09:00 - [46] Someone explain to me how the OPs protest is different from the actual system he's against?
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:12:00 - [47] You sir, are a ******* moron.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:33:00 - [48] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/11/2006 13:33:29 Hmm "I won't use Warp to 0 but I will use my Instawarps" Go ahead... you aren't proving anything except the fact that you're against everyone else having warp to 0 but you want it for yourself. Most of the folks arguing 'against' Warp to 0 fall into 2 categories: 1) Pirates who like to gate gank and have no creativity to just move to the other side of the gate and use cruisers to tackle. 2) Elitists who think it's ok that THEY have 'warp to 0' while those who can't afford instas do not. Warp to 0km as a game feature is a good thing. It levels the playing field. Now EVERYONE has instas whereas only the 'haves' did before. Sure it'll make pirate's lives a little tougher but they will either adapt or move to 0.0 where they can use bubbles. Which will balance the risk/reward for lowsec. More folks will go to lowsec (interestingly enough providing a lot more targets) because it's now a little safer. Thus providing the pirates with more targets. Both in the belts and around stations. Combine that with the WCS nerf and pirates should actually have an easier time pirating in lowsec. But they won't see the forrest through the trees till they're lost inside it. As for the 'haves' who don't want anyone else to have instas without having to 'work for it' I find it interesting that those SAME players don't want a skill that has to be trained to get the feature because gasp they'd have to work to get it.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:37:00 - [49] /not signed!!!! If the only kills you can get is ganking newbies @ the gate, bad for you! learn to play!
GC003 Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:05:00 - [50] Not Signed, But looking forward to the Warp to 0. Now if they can come up with a warp bubble for empire..... I'll buy that for a dollar!
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:07:00 - [51] I for one am for more sever stablilty and if that means we FINALLY get a warp to 0 option and not have to rely on the server to access our bm's on top of maybe 15k more peeps doin the same and the server getting happier by the day resulting in less lag in combat or less lag in the game itself.. wait.. by your post you are saying you liek the lag? I for one am supporting the warp to 0 option. It makes sense. Also cheapen game play? Heck if they stick with it and it does lessen server loads meaning less lag meaning more fun in combat since. I think the lag cheapens game play more than anything else. Nothing worse then clicking on a module to activate it and it takes 30 to 40 seconds to respond. Please think of the servers. Kill GTG BM's ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Valerii Zarek	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:10:00 - [52] Originally by: ponieus I think the lag cheapens game play more than anything else. Nothing worse then clicking on a module to activate it and it takes 30 to 40 seconds to respond. Please think of the servers. Kill GTG BM's Yes, well because of course removing the BMs means 0 lag, overnight, and servers so fast it's barely believable, and hey let's cancel that hardware upgrade too because removing the BMs will change EVERYTHING, you know, that makes a lot of sense. More seriously though, I agree that instas have to go, I just think Warp to 0 is the wrong solution to a real problem that should have been addressed within a month , not a year.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Shin Ra I feel another [23] style thread coming on... Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr WANNA WHINE??? VISIT ME
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:47:00 - [54] Ah, I would be laughing if the responses in this thread didn't hurt me so much. ___________________
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Band of Monkeys	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 07/11/2006 17:02:34 Originally by: Glumpumpkin Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space./signed No. Why the hell should I pay for something I might get for free? Why the hell would I gimp myself? This place is getting more WoW like every day.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Main Entry: iro+ny Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -nies Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler 1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony 2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=421075&page=2#36 Irony should not be used by the uninitiated. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Mallick Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:07:00 - [57] 0/10 for effort.
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:08:00 - [58] /signed I too, will kill the servers in order to keep the game how it was/is If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:11:00 - [59] amusingly everyone thinks this was the only solution to bookmarks. if you really do think that, you're an idiot. wrong solution, right time, chaos ensues. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
Tarentino	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:16:00 - [60] I don't really understand the problem with the 0km warp in. Everybody gets his insta bookmarks big deal. Last sunday on singularityi set my autopilot for a couple of jumps and it warped in at 15km at every gate it flew to. This means you still have to do it yourself manually if you want to get somewhere quick/safe.

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