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Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:21:00 - [1] I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Christina Vallentine on 07/11/2006 07:27:56 Edited by: Christina Vallentine on 07/11/2006 07:27:23 Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed LOL @ U. Cause bookmarks that warp you to the exact same point that a 0km warp would are better right? Cause instas dont add a massive amount of crap to the database right? Get over it. /Not signed get a life and get over it
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:29:00 - [3] No offense but your uhm not very smart or having a bad day. What you just said is that warping to zero cheapens the game so you will refuse to use it and instead warp to 0 with bookmarks instead...... IE do that EXACT SAME THING. NEWS FLASH WARP TO 0KM IS A INSTA BOOKMARK, the onyl difference is everyone gets a fullset of bookmarks instead of only those knowledgable to make thier own or buy them, and in the process server lag is cut immensly, and the hassle to organizing bookmarks is gone. So please stop the absolutely retarded drama, as you already stated you already use the warp to 0km option the only difference the menu you click to acheive it.... I just can;t beleive how senseless people are.... I mean you actually had the nerve to state that you currently WARP to 0km after stating you think warping to 0km cheapens the quality of the game mind boggling truly mind boggling.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:30:00 - [4] You are an idiot. Instas create lag.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed Dear: [x] Clueless Newbie [ ] Loser [ ] AOL-er [ ] 12 year old [ ] Troll [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek [ ] Spammer [ ] Wannabe [ ] Asskisser [ ] l337 d00d [ ] Flamer [x] Whiner [ ] Other: You Are Being Flamed Because [ ] You posted a .99999... = 1 thread [ ] You posted a Release Date thread [ ] You posted a Patch thread [ ] You posted a PC vs Mac thread [ ] You posted a System Specifications thread [ ] You posted a ( Insert Random RPG ) vs Diablo 2 thread [ ] You posted a StarCraft vs WarCraft 3 thread [ ] You posted a big slobbery kiss on Blizzard's Ass [ ] You posted a "Where is Starcraft 2" thread [ ] You posted a EVE vs WoW thread [ ] You posted a what does the chat gem do thread [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread [ ] You committed crimes against pork by-products [ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message [ ] You posted a (insert name) ganked me. [ ] You posted an ( Insert Class ) is overpowered thread [ ] You haven't read the stickies [ ] You don't know which forum to post in [x] You just plain suck [ ] You posted false information [x] You posted something totally uninteresting [ ] You double posted [ ] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS [ ] You posted racist crap [ ] I don't like your tone of voice [ ] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums [x] You whined and posted crap [ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd In Punishment, You Must: [ ] Give up your AOL Internet account [x] STFU & GTFO [x] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [x] Actually post something relevant [ ] Read the f****** FAQ [ ] Go to your room with no supper [x] Apologize to everybody on this forum [ ] Go stand in the middle of a Highway [ ] Recite the Greek alphabet backwards [ ] Take a bath in bleach [ ] Drink out of a spittoon [ ] All of the above In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [x] Blow me [ ] Get a life [ ] Never post again [x] I pity your dog [ ] Go to Hell [ ] Your IQ must be 7 [ ] Take your rejection somewhere else [ ] STFU & GTFO [ ] Learn to post [x] Go jump into some industrial equipment [ ] All of the above [ ] IBTL ============================================== The preceding Forum Flame Form was constructed for use on people not worthy of actual thought or effort in being flamed. People so STUPID that a simple copy/paste and a few check marks is all that's necessary to properly relay the flamer's contempt for the flame. You have been identified as such a person and as such, this flame was brought to you in under 10 seconds of your post being read. http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:31:00 - [6] I feel another [23] style thread coming on...
Dragonis Mendez Total Disillusion	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:32:00 - [7] ??? So you rather use instas, use a lot of server performance and lag all other players to hell with copiing BMs and saving them at the server instead of using the warp to 0 even though it is exactly the same? (exept the performance thing etc) Ok get happy with this :) I'm looking forward to the warp to 0 option
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:36:00 - [8] Main Entry: iro+ny Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -nies Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler 1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony 2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=421075&page=2#36
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that blah blah blah blah blah blah /signed You get NOTHING, You Lose! Good Day sir! P.S. The checkmarks flame was awesome. I just laughed so hard I cried.
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:37:00 - [10] In other words, the joke is on YOU.

Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Glumpumpkin In other words, the joke is on YOU. in other words, YOU are a moron http://www.stevie.prince.dsl.pipex.com/AloysiusKnight.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2107/nodecrashsiggb9.jpg Chose one, you must. Two is the way of pure ebilness, and pure ebilness is bad -ReverendM
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Glumpumpkin In other words, the joke is on YOU. Cause I am supposed to read up on your post history before I reply to a thread you started in the name of stupidity? Nice try, keep working on that. The only joke that I see here is you
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:43:00 - [13] the fact you cant post with your main cheapens this fourm and the people having to read your retarded comment about somthing you dont understand ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Dear: That has to be the LEAST funny, and least original atempt at flaming I have ever seen. I cant belive retards still use that lame joke. N=R* x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:45:00 - [15] Not signed unless they remove my Veldspar instas in the process - then signed. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Christina Vallentine Originally by: Glumpumpkin In other words, the joke is on YOU. Cause I am supposed to read up on your post history before I reply to a thread you started in the name of stupidity? Nice try, keep working on that. The only joke that I see here is you I think it says a lot more about the quality of the rest of the posts in this forum for an idea as ridiculous as this one to be taken seriously. Irony is one of the higher forms of humor, generally requiring a complex understanding of the issue being addressed for it to be understood. Thanks for playing, though ;)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:19:00 - [17] /not signed
Golerre Evraun	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed have fun with that, I for one pledge that if a 'warp to 0' option is released into kali I will immediately delete all of my 5,287 bookmarks which will free up both database space and database seek time for all 6 of the characters I run here, thus making for a much more enjoyable game for everyone around me. and i also pledge to immediately block all whining pirates . <Block engaged> ---------------------------------------- If you ain't dyin, You Ain't tryin.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Irony is one of the higher forms of humor, generally requiring a complex understanding of the issue being addressed for it to be understood. Thanks for playing, though ;) Irony also requires a bit of knowledge about the person attempting irony as well as a good delivery on the part of said person. Of that, we have none here.
Felix Dzerzhinsky	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:34:00 - [20] A lot of people don't realize that BMs were not designed for instas and when people started using BMs for making instas, the debate was if it was an exploit or not. Clearly people think that instas were always in the game - they were not. I think that nothing should be able to warp closer then 15kms to any object in space. Thats how it was ment to be, and thats how it should be. If people want to play a game that is completely controled and safe outside of 'pre-designated' areas, please go play wow. Battlegrounds =/= 0.0 and at this rate, it basically is becoming that way.

Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed Dear: [x] Clueless Newbie [ ] Loser [ ] AOL-er [ ] 12 year old [ ] Troll [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek [ ] Spammer [ ] Wannabe [ ] Asskisser [ ] l337 d00d [ ] Flamer [x] Whiner [ ] Other: You Are Being Flamed Because [ ] You posted a .99999... = 1 thread [ ] You posted a Release Date thread [ ] You posted a Patch thread [ ] You posted a PC vs Mac thread [ ] You posted a System Specifications thread [ ] You posted a ( Insert Random RPG ) vs Diablo 2 thread [ ] You posted a StarCraft vs WarCraft 3 thread [ ] You posted a big slobbery kiss on Blizzard's Ass [ ] You posted a "Where is Starcraft 2" thread [ ] You posted a EVE vs WoW thread [ ] You posted a what does the chat gem do thread [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread [ ] You committed crimes against pork by-products [ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message [ ] You posted a (insert name) ganked me. [ ] You posted an ( Insert Class ) is overpowered thread [ ] You haven't read the stickies [ ] You don't know which forum to post in [x] You just plain suck [ ] You posted false information [x] You posted something totally uninteresting [ ] You double posted [ ] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS [ ] You posted racist crap [ ] I don't like your tone of voice [ ] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums [x] You whined and posted crap [ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd In Punishment, You Must: [ ] Give up your AOL Internet account [x] STFU & GTFO [x] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [x] Actually post something relevant [ ] Read the f**** FAQ [ ] Go to your room with no supper [x] Apologize to everybody on this forum [ ] Go stand in the middle of a Highway [ ] Recite the Greek alphabet backwards [ ] Take a bath in bleach [ ] Drink out of a spittoon [ ] All of the above In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [x] Blow me [ ] Get a life [ ] Never post again [x] I pity your dog [ ] Go to Hell [ ] Your IQ must be 7 [ ] Take your rejection somewhere else [ ] STFU & GTFO [ ] Learn to post [x] Go jump into some industrial equipment [ ] All of the above [ ] IBTL ============================================== The preceding Forum Flame Form was constructed for use on people not worthy of actual thought or effort in being flamed. People so STUPID that a simple copy/paste and a few check marks is all that's necessary to properly relay the flamer's contempt for the flame. You have been identified as such a person and as such, this flame was brought to you in under 10 seconds of your post being read. one wordLOLZ!! ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~** ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:39:00 - [22] HHUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're most sure a BM seller. We will still have PVP with warp to 0. Pirates will learn to gate gank more and use a scout to catch incoming targets, only lame snipers would lose a this. Warp to 0 will bring more people into 0.0 as you'll insta have all "bm" for all regions. So a big NO to YOU. Before eating all my sigs you should know they are laxatives.
Shadow Vice	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:42:00 - [23] personally iam all for the warp to 0km and ap to 15km option cause it solves most of the problems i think unless you include it in the game people will allways find a way to make instas in one way shape or form. so in conclusion instas kill the eve database and the removal of them shold help server performance greatly and this puts everyone on a level playing ground imo so iam all for the warp to 0km. incidentally i dunno how they are gonna deal with removeing instas if this does go ahead a simple script to delete any bookmark within say 25km of a celestrial object shold do the job the best.
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Rina Shanu HHUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're most sure a BM seller. We will still have PVP with warp to 0. Pirates will learn to gate gank more and use a scout to catch incoming targets, only lame snipers would lose a this. Warp to 0 will bring more people into 0.0 as you'll insta have all "bm" for all regions. So a big NO to YOU. as i said before your arguments, and any others you may make, are completely bogus and you're wrong.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:46:00 - [25] Warp to 0km option gate to gate with autopilot still dumping you at 15km? PWN!! Auto warp to 0km when docking at a station? Not so pwn.. Here's hoping that feature is SISI only.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed Just stop trolling. Because I said so...
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:00:00 - [27] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed Just stop trolling. Go pirate lowsec about it.
Odd Bob	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:05:00 - [28] Not signed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna be stuck in Empire for the rest of my Eve sub cos im not sad enough to manufacture 100s of bookmarks, its going to be a major blow to pvp in Eve that 2-3 year old players wont be able to one shot noob corps members as they travel out of empire in to low sec areas in search of more content to their gaming experience. This is the final blow to eve! Why on earth should pirates have to use scanners and actively hunt down their prey in belts and regions? Are CCCP retarded :( Alliance pvp corps, why should that have to patrol their terrority now to search for intruders instead of being able to sit on a warp gate for many mind numbing hours before utilising their pvp skills Eves most skilled and intelligent pvpers are gate camps, this is such a tragedy that will open low sec and 0.0 up to the many brave adventurers /cry!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:10:00 - [29] I tried doing EVE without instas. I did so for quite a long while, running chokepoints into 0.0 in my badger MK II, in a 'dodging camps' fit. Running a few starbase towers meant a lot of fuel in and out. It worked quite well, and the game play wasn't so bad. However then I saw other people in fully expanded iteron 5s, making 1 trip to my 5. I saw 'hostiles' insta-ing past me to get to the gate so they'd catch me on the other side in their battleship, and then call me a newb (although mostly I did get away from them, so maybe that was why). And so I *****ed, and made a set of instas. I would _quite happily_ delete every single insta, and warp to 15km every time, with only a minor whinge about how that's going to make my frieghter a pain to get through 0.0. But only if we're talking level playing field. Only if I don't have to dodge the same battleship every jump of my route because he's 'got instas' and I don't. There's a lot of debate about instas both ways. Personally I think the only reason not to remove them entirely is that so many have become dependant on this crutch that they will cry loudly if it is removed. They will increase the size of the EVE universe. This is a good thing. I like feeling like Jita is a long way away. I think there's plenty of scope for market trading, but only if not 'everyone' is hauling things 5-10 jumps to a hub. The other thing it will increase is danger level for slower ships moving through low sec/0.0. I don't see a problem here either. I think there _should_ be a reason to use cruisers, frigates etc. over battleships. IMO a battleship and even a BC should be big, slow and heavy, with a lot of firepower. As it is, a BS might as well be as fast as a 'ceptor. Don't forget, whilst yes, it does make getting someone who's running a blockade easier, it also makes setting up that blockade much harder. Moving your BS 10 jumps to set up the gate camp won't be a trivial matter, and moving on once the camp gets 'busted' will also be harder. So you'll quite naturally have smaller camps, with smaller ships. I don't think you'll ever lose the gate camps. My only real objection to them is if you run into one with 40 ships, there's pretty much nothing you can do. Now if there's one where there's only 3 or 4 cruisers, then you _do_ have a chance to run or fight, especially if you arrive in a battleship. This would be a major gameplay change, I would agree. I know lots of people who won't go anywhere without instas. But I think it would be a _good_ change to gameplay, where warp to 0 would just serve to further dumb down EVE. And for the record, I am not a pirate, nor gate camper. I've spent more time in a hauler than I have a battleship. I think there should be a reason to go for fast mobile ships, over insta-ing heavy hitters, and I think there should be a reason to use smaller faster industrials rather than slower bigger ones. Seriously, how often do you see Sigils? They're tier 1, like the bestower, and they're fast, but they have less cargo. They're almost never used, because everyone's either AFK or insta-ing.
AshrakTheWhite Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:14:00 - [30] anyone else think this is an alt of some guy whos selling instas? :p

Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:14:00 - [31] lol, have fun not competing with anyone then. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Victor Valka Irony also requires a bit of knowledge about the person attempting irony as well as a good delivery on the part of said person. Of that, we have none here. //signed
Jack Cromwell Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:31:00 - [33] Not signed. It may well encourage more people out of high sec and it seems that only pirates looking for easy kills are against this. Gate camps will still be effective as you are still going to be at risk after you jump though a gate and allign to where you want to go. I really hope warp to 0 comes to Tranquility no more wasted hours copying instas and reduced lag making the game better for us and as other people have said on this thread I would delete my instas as well. Jack Cromwell Azure Horizon
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Irony is one of the higher forms of humor, generally requiring a complex understanding of the issue being addressed for it to be understood. Thanks for playing, though ;) Irony is indeed one of the higher forms of humour. Unfortunatley, like most attempts at humour it requires a good context, and skill at using it. Simply using irony does not make something funny as you have aptly demonstrated: you need to use it well. Here's a tip: in text form irony needs to be rather obvious, unless you have a particularly high-brow audience. Just like text sarcasm. Anyway I'm sure you learnt your lesson. Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:58:00 - [35] Wow, forums are entertainment today. GlumPumpkin your name says it all. You are definately not Vulcan as there is no logic in anything you have said.... Klingon?? LOLOLOLOL /definately not signed Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Keleth	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. Good Lord, you're a moron. /notsigned Keleth
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:09:00 - [37] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/11/2006 11:10:51 This is actually quite a good bit of mockery of the anti warp to 0km people when you know its meant as irony. But given the extreme amount of mindless drivel posted on this forum, you do need to make deliberate irony more blatant than this. ---------- IBTL \o/
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:26:00 - [38] Not signed because plain and simple, insta's have to go! If this is the way the DEV's choose to remove insta's, we can deal with the game mechanics this breaks later, what comes first is server performance... Honestly, now the only gates you get stopped at are the ones that are camped with bubbles, the rest that are not camped, you can travel quickly to and from. This is the way it should have been at release, but the DEV's wanted to give the "pirates" 7.5 KM then 15 KM to have a chance to gank, instaÆs ruined that plan anyways... Now we just need a clever way to make more PvP happen away from gates, especially in empire wars... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:26:00 - [39] I'll be warping to 0 like everyone else in EVE, or sitting on a gate taking out suckers that think warping to 15 has some sort of honour attached to it I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:51:00 - [40] Cleaned up a bit. Please refrain from flaming. Read the forum rules before posting. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected]. Now your sig is mine MUAHAHAHAHAHA - Xorus


Dubble Dutch Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:54:00 - [41] I'm new to this game (1 month) and I have been hearing a lot of swearing on the insta's/warp to 0. It seems to me the original idea was that a warp engine cannot bring you close to a specific point in space due to the nature of the thing. (it would be very impressive to travel 50AU and land within less then a km 'off'. Nowadays GPS will get you within a few meters at best, and the satelites fly at less then 40 km IIRC) So why doesn't CCP make it so that with whatever warppoint you travel to (bookmark, station or whatever) you actually will NEVER arrive at the exact spot? Let the game generate a random number for the last digit (X,Y and Z) for any point in space that is being warped to and the need for insta's will disappear as well. I've started to use insta's as well: what the game allows I will do, but I find the idea silly that there is no standard way to 'warp to 0' while there is a workaround. The most silly thing is offcourse that while selecting the insta warppoint you still choose 'warp within 15 km' which makes me think the whole point was (and is) the inherent inaccuracy of warping (and simulating that in the game) my two cents, Cheers, Dubble Dutch
Lord DeFault Minmatar Serenity Prime Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:09:00 - [42] WhatÆs with these whining Empire Pirates? Go to 0.0 and use a bloody Bubble. Your as bad as the carebears. Stop clogging Empire space. They play with this idea every patch... Something gotta be done the bookmark system. it's to badly coded. And CCP to tight to upgrade there hardware to mach there bad coding. They wont leave the info on disk, Due to people adding and changing bookmarks... err nmmmm....Hmm. It's custom ethier way. Wouldn't have to copy 700 book marks every you move home, just for gate to gate? Gott sei dank! Not signed. The PrePatch Day song
Ariya Arnaud	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:23:00 - [43] /Semi-Signed The instas need to be removed, now, or better yet - three years ago. Cudos to CCP for finally having the courage to do so, however: Adding a warp-to-0 is like killing bunnies with axes, and hacking your feet off to get rid of the smell after a day at work. It's a hack of a solution, even on the best of days. To quote another poster: "It cheapens the game." EVE and CCP are better than this. We are better than this. I would much prefer a more elegant solution. Like Low-Slot Modules to increase the warp accuracy - something that will not only ruin the insta-jumper's tanking abilities - but also limit the number of stabs they can fit with the severely reduced number of low slots left over. There will be less need to nerf the WCS modules. Higher warp accuracy by default for small ships - worse for battleships, etcetera. If worked on, it could be an excellent solution. If such a solution could be worked out, it would be more in line with the original game idea. It'll still allow people to warp to 0 - but prevent fully tanked warships from doing it. It'll also stop the 7-WCS Armageddons from appearing, as they will be sitting ducks while travelling to the gate. If such a solution could be worked out, it would be a lot better in every way, shape and form. Bunnies are best killed with shotguns, and feet just need to be washed. Put the axe away, please. My 2c. /Semi-Signed
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:51:00 - [44] Warp to 0km cheapens the game, therefor I will warp to 0km with insta to lag the server. /pffft not signed
Miya Kurosawa Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:57:00 - [45] Edited by: Miya Kurosawa on 07/11/2006 13:00:17 I think this is a very straightforward solution to the people whining for and against instas. BMs are a hassle; go ahead warp to 0 manually. Can't catch people coz they have warp to 0 work with a gang that has an interceptor to scout for him and an interdictor to trap him. Yes I guess it cheapens the game for you because it requires more effort to catch people. Well get over it. This thing can actually encourage more people to move into .0 and lowsec so there's more prey for you. Edit: this post was not for the previous guy but for the whiners against this. thanks Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Pinoy ako! =) For you Philippine players out there, join us in the Pinoy channel
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:09:00 - [46] Someone explain to me how the OPs protest is different from the actual system he's against?
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:12:00 - [47] You sir, are a ******* moron.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:33:00 - [48] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/11/2006 13:33:29 Hmm "I won't use Warp to 0 but I will use my Instawarps" Go ahead... you aren't proving anything except the fact that you're against everyone else having warp to 0 but you want it for yourself. Most of the folks arguing 'against' Warp to 0 fall into 2 categories: 1) Pirates who like to gate gank and have no creativity to just move to the other side of the gate and use cruisers to tackle. 2) Elitists who think it's ok that THEY have 'warp to 0' while those who can't afford instas do not. Warp to 0km as a game feature is a good thing. It levels the playing field. Now EVERYONE has instas whereas only the 'haves' did before. Sure it'll make pirate's lives a little tougher but they will either adapt or move to 0.0 where they can use bubbles. Which will balance the risk/reward for lowsec. More folks will go to lowsec (interestingly enough providing a lot more targets) because it's now a little safer. Thus providing the pirates with more targets. Both in the belts and around stations. Combine that with the WCS nerf and pirates should actually have an easier time pirating in lowsec. But they won't see the forrest through the trees till they're lost inside it. As for the 'haves' who don't want anyone else to have instas without having to 'work for it' I find it interesting that those SAME players don't want a skill that has to be trained to get the feature because gasp they'd have to work to get it.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:37:00 - [49] /not signed!!!! If the only kills you can get is ganking newbies @ the gate, bad for you! learn to play!
GC003 Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:05:00 - [50] Not Signed, But looking forward to the Warp to 0. Now if they can come up with a warp bubble for empire..... I'll buy that for a dollar!

ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:07:00 - [51] I for one am for more sever stablilty and if that means we FINALLY get a warp to 0 option and not have to rely on the server to access our bm's on top of maybe 15k more peeps doin the same and the server getting happier by the day resulting in less lag in combat or less lag in the game itself.. wait.. by your post you are saying you liek the lag? I for one am supporting the warp to 0 option. It makes sense. Also cheapen game play? Heck if they stick with it and it does lessen server loads meaning less lag meaning more fun in combat since. I think the lag cheapens game play more than anything else. Nothing worse then clicking on a module to activate it and it takes 30 to 40 seconds to respond. Please think of the servers. Kill GTG BM's ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Valerii Zarek	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:10:00 - [52] Originally by: ponieus I think the lag cheapens game play more than anything else. Nothing worse then clicking on a module to activate it and it takes 30 to 40 seconds to respond. Please think of the servers. Kill GTG BM's Yes, well because of course removing the BMs means 0 lag, overnight, and servers so fast it's barely believable, and hey let's cancel that hardware upgrade too because removing the BMs will change EVERYTHING, you know, that makes a lot of sense. More seriously though, I agree that instas have to go, I just think Warp to 0 is the wrong solution to a real problem that should have been addressed within a month , not a year.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Shin Ra I feel another [23] style thread coming on... Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr WANNA WHINE??? VISIT ME
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:47:00 - [54] Ah, I would be laughing if the responses in this thread didn't hurt me so much. ___________________
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Band of Monkeys	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 07/11/2006 17:02:34 Originally by: Glumpumpkin Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space./signed No. Why the hell should I pay for something I might get for free? Why the hell would I gimp myself? This place is getting more WoW like every day.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Main Entry: iro+ny Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -nies Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler 1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony 2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=421075&page=2#36 Irony should not be used by the uninitiated. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Mallick Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:07:00 - [57] 0/10 for effort.
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:08:00 - [58] /signed I too, will kill the servers in order to keep the game how it was/is If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:11:00 - [59] amusingly everyone thinks this was the only solution to bookmarks. if you really do think that, you're an idiot. wrong solution, right time, chaos ensues. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
Tarentino	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:16:00 - [60] I don't really understand the problem with the 0km warp in. Everybody gets his insta bookmarks big deal. Last sunday on singularityi set my autopilot for a couple of jumps and it warped in at 15km at every gate it flew to. This means you still have to do it yourself manually if you want to get somewhere quick/safe.

Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:23:00 - [61] Nothing will change. Empire ganking/wars is far more retarded than that kid in middle school with a helmet and really tiny, close-together eyes. They don't count. People will still be ******* stupid and mine/rat in lowsec. Warp bubbles will still suck people in and hold them still for a red-ass beatdown. Cowards already have SS's and instas to stations/gates. Miners still die if you actually use sense and sneak up on them with a recon, or nab them with an inty. So keep crying, warp to 0 with your laggy bookmarks, and I'll see you on the other side of that gate. ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:30:00 - [62] The OP was obviously a joke.
Kipkruide Quantum Dynamics	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:57:00 - [63] i find it surprising this is such a hot topic, i could have told you they were gonna do something like this after they killed the copying. It's not like it hasn;t been coming for oh,, 2 years
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Kipkruide i find it surprising this is such a hot topic, i could have told you they were gonna do something like this after they killed the copying. It's not like it hasn;t been coming for oh,, 2 years The hot part of the topic is the fact they caved in to idiot whiners instead of taking the right path and finding a solution that didn't involve maintaining the status quo. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
Pick Me	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed No need to worry, they only put that on sisi so it would be easy to test. Remember the post about 500+ complex to test? Would you want to go in all of them the normal way? It's exactly like the fact that everyone has all the Rig skills to level 3 automatically. It won't be on TQ but what is interesting, it's that the current BMs are NOT working... Now that is a change on TQ!
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:05:00 - [66] If you have balls, you warp to gates 15km without instas. if you have brain you warp to gates 0km with new wt0km. if you have neither you use isntas...
Niccolado Starwalker Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:12:00 - [67] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed /Not signed. Setting warp to 0 km should have been done a long time ago. This will make the game mechanics easier while keeping the difficulty and charm of the game! In addition ofcource to removing items that maybe creates the most lag in the game. Its really a very wise move IMHO
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:18:00 - [68] /totally *NOT* signed! I, personally, is totally fed up with having to copy 5 or more regional BM sets to all three of my characters to be able to participate in pvp! I hate when it comes to micromanaging in a MMORPG! I hate micromanaging, it ruins every MMO I have played. Say YES to "Warp to 0"! Well, one MMORPG being an exception. WoW didn't have micromanaging in my experience.
coldplasma No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:09:00 - [69] Those who do not adapt, fall victim to coldplasma. /not signed
Himoane	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:40:00 - [70] sniff sniff What the HELL is that smell?! sniff Ooooho sniff sniff Ahhh it's sarcasm, I see.

Surly Bob Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:54:00 - [71] /antisigned ..much <3 for CCP! See sig! --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:57:00 - [72] Originally by: Galimiy Portret /totally *NOT* signed! I, personally, is totally fed up with having to copy 5 or more regional BM sets to all three of my characters to be able to participate in pvp! I hate when it comes to micromanaging in a MMORPG! I hate micromanaging, it ruins every MMO I have played. Say YES to "Warp to 0"! Well, one MMORPG being an exception. WoW didn't have micromanaging in my experience. Heathen! Never ever ever use WoW as an example of anything good. It's just WRONG :)
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:50:00 - [73] hhmmmmm. After carefully considering your proposal OP. I have come to this well informed conclusion and statement. ... lol. -------------- Dang nabit
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:51:00 - [74] Originally by: Shin Ra I feel another [23] style thread coming on... You called? WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Mayoz Miner	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:56:00 - [75] Not read the rest of the thread but to OP :- warp to 0 = same as insta ?? only people that dnt use insta's atm are newbs yea ? so the only people your gonna missis killing..... some easy newbs ? and this will reduce lag ??? if so /not signed
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:06:00 - [76] /not signed This just does what instas already did before. Fewer BMs is a good thing. kkthxbye.
Keleth	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:32:00 - [77] Originally by: Galimiy Portret Well, one MMORPG being an exception. WoW didn't have micromanaging in my experience. Well, that would be because WoW doesn't have any managing. Keleth
Gila Munja The Eton Rifles	Posted - 2006.11.08 00:37:00 - [78] You's are all wimps. I'll only warp in 100km from gates. In fact, I'm so tough I'm going to make instas that drop me 200km from every gate. And only fly in lowsec. And I insist on only flying in pod killing zones. ... In an Iteron 5, fitted for combat. ------------------------------------------------ What a catalyst you turned out to be. Loaded your guns then you run off home for your tea. Hurrah hooray, What a nice day for The Eton Rifles.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.08 00:41:00 - [79] Hopefully all bookmarks within 100k of all gates will be deleted with the new patch, thus ending the speculation (and lag) Someone even mentioned only having x amount of bookmarks total, sounds good to me I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
MeLoveYouLoooongTime	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:07:00 - [80] I WILL US WARP TO 0, AND I AM THOROUGHLY PLEASED WITH CCP'S DECISION TO IMPLEMENT THIS FEATURE. THANK YOU CCP

mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:57:00 - [81] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed i agree with this poster and i fully support his thread, and every other thing he has ever written. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Hailen	Posted - 2006.11.08 02:38:00 - [82] /not signed destroy first all instas, and then we can discuss about warp to 0 or warp to 5 or warp to whatever...
Inertia Foryu Caldari Quantum Warfare Research and Development	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Gila Munja You's are all wimps. I'll only warp in 100km from gates. In fact, I'm so tough I'm going to make instas that drop me 200km from every gate. And only fly in lowsec. And I insist on only flying in pod killing zones. ... In an Iteron 5, fitted for combat. This actually made me snicker. I'll give you 10 points. Thanks for the laugh! ------ Sci-Fi Fan? Geek? The WarpZone Podcast
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 04:20:00 - [84] /Not Signed warp to 0 is good
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.08 08:34:00 - [85] Originally by: James Lyrus I tried doing EVE without instas. I did so for quite a long while, running chokepoints into 0.0 in my badger MK II, in a 'dodging camps' fit. Running a few starbase towers meant a lot of fuel in and out. It worked quite well, and the game play wasn't so bad. However then I saw other people in fully expanded iteron 5s, making 1 trip to my 5. I saw 'hostiles' insta-ing past me to get to the gate so they'd catch me on the other side in their battleship, and then call me a newb (although mostly I did get away from them, so maybe that was why). And so I *****ed, and made a set of instas. I would _quite happily_ delete every single insta, and warp to 15km every time, with only a minor whinge about how that's going to make my frieghter a pain to get through 0.0. But only if we're talking level playing field. Only if I don't have to dodge the same battleship every jump of my route because he's 'got instas' and I don't. There's a lot of debate about instas both ways. Personally I think the only reason not to remove them entirely is that so many have become dependant on this crutch that they will cry loudly if it is removed. They will increase the size of the EVE universe. This is a good thing. I like feeling like Jita is a long way away. I think there's plenty of scope for market trading, but only if not 'everyone' is hauling things 5-10 jumps to a hub. The other thing it will increase is danger level for slower ships moving through low sec/0.0. I don't see a problem here either. I think there _should_ be a reason to use cruisers, frigates etc. over battleships. IMO a battleship and even a BC should be big, slow and heavy, with a lot of firepower. As it is, a BS might as well be as fast as a 'ceptor. Don't forget, whilst yes, it does make getting someone who's running a blockade easier, it also makes setting up that blockade much harder. Moving your BS 10 jumps to set up the gate camp won't be a trivial matter, and moving on once the camp gets 'busted' will also be harder. So you'll quite naturally have smaller camps, with smaller ships. I don't think you'll ever lose the gate camps. My only real objection to them is if you run into one with 40 ships, there's pretty much nothing you can do. Now if there's one where there's only 3 or 4 cruisers, then you _do_ have a chance to run or fight, especially if you arrive in a battleship. This would be a major gameplay change, I would agree. I know lots of people who won't go anywhere without instas. But I think it would be a _good_ change to gameplay, where warp to 0 would just serve to further dumb down EVE. And for the record, I am not a pirate, nor gate camper. I've spent more time in a hauler than I have a battleship. I think there should be a reason to go for fast mobile ships, over insta-ing heavy hitters, and I think there should be a reason to use smaller faster industrials rather than slower bigger ones. Seriously, how often do you see Sigils? They're tier 1, like the bestower, and they're fast, but they have less cargo. They're almost never used, because everyone's either AFK or insta-ing. CCP needs to read this. ---
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.08 08:59:00 - [86] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/11/2006 09:06:17 Originally by: James Lyrus great post may i have your babies?? for this mentioned reasons i'm against a warp to 0m option .. so /signed ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Varis Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 11:43:00 - [87] God yes.. I read about this "warp to 0" option and couldn't believe my eyes .. What the hell are CCP thinking?!?! They should delete ALL bookmarks, and make it taht you can have a total of around 20-30 bookmarks, which CANNOT be copied. everyone on the same footing.
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 11:59:00 - [88] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Galimiy Portret /totally *NOT* signed! I, personally, is totally fed up with having to copy 5 or more regional BM sets to all three of my characters to be able to participate in pvp! I hate when it comes to micromanaging in a MMORPG! I hate micromanaging, it ruins every MMO I have played. Say YES to "Warp to 0"! Well, one MMORPG being an exception. WoW didn't have micromanaging in my experience. Heathen! Never ever ever use WoW as an example of anything good. It's just WRONG :) Well, yes, WoW is ebil and should not be even mentioned without recieving immidiate divine retribution, but... It did introduce some things which is really good and should be adapted to the general MMO perception. THose things are: * Customizable UI. A godsend from heaven. You are no longer stuck with the original UI which is NEVER going to be optimal for ALL of the player base. I really hope this concept gets general acceptance to the standard MMO set of features. * Reduced level grind. Well, the truth is that I never got a max lvl char in any other MMO I've played. Why? Well, it was boring as hell to run 1000 same looking missions or kill 100000 same looking mobs to get to max level and still having to do the same amount of work to get a decent equipement. Note that EvE does not have those flaws. * Lack of micromanaging for an average player. * It was fun the first half year. Yes, I admit it, I have never had so much fun in any MMO as in WoW. It died after a year tho. :) Well, a bit offtopic, lol. :)
Zhalakin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 12:01:00 - [89] /die
Critta Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:10:00 - [90] Originally by: Shameless Avenger /not signed!!!! If the only kills you can get is ganking newbies @ the gate, bad for you! learn to play! Yes, because only newbies ever use gates...

Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:24:00 - [91] Edited by: Blind Man on 08/11/2006 16:26:33 /not signed eve is too laggy and I couldn't care less what it takes to fix it anymore. also I'm always reluctant to move places because you have to have the instas, I'm tired of throwing gang lead around to whoever has instas not being able to be gang leader in certain situations (especially once command ships have to be lead for gang mods to work) It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Tellok	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:27:00 - [92] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed PPPFFFFTTTTTTTTTT wake up and see what warp to 0 is going to bring to the game more players entering 0.0 more pvp for everyone more players entering lowsec whats not to like. only peeps who are gonna lose out here are lame sniper pirates thats all, with the stab nerf belt pirates are gonna have the fun. and pvp may actualy come alive again post on your main it may give yout words a bit of tread!!!! btw this is my main :P
Kovacs Caprios Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:31:00 - [93] Originally by: Glumpumpkin I, for one, think that 'warp to 0' cheapens the quality of the game and that any arguments in favor of it are completely bogus. Even if I have the capability to warp to 0, I pledge that I will set my default warp distance to 15, and rely on purchased insta sets to travel through dangerous space. /signed I like the humour, thansk for making me smile.. Tell me guys you did get the humpur, or I will dispair....
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:33:00 - [94] I'm going to kick this pledge up a notch and only warpin at 20km while using a dialup connection.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:36:00 - [95] warp to 0 doesent really do anything apart from give everyone bms basically... since when you autopilot it takes you to 15 as usual, as far as i know. And almost everyone has bms anyway... whats the problem? My sig was nerfed.. im not happy -Mtt I hate mods
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:40:00 - [96] Originally by: Raste I'm going to kick this pledge up a notch and only warpin at 20km while using a dialup connection. ILL RAISE YOU TO 30! It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:51:00 - [97] As someone who has a silly amount of instas (ie: the map features large areas green ) I'll happily delete the vast majority of my BM's if a Warp to 0km option is implemented. I've been spoilt with them, and to be quite honest, no, I'd rather not have to slowboat it to every **** gate. ....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:53:00 - [98] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 08/11/2006 16:53:27 Ok this is way off topic but I just can't resist: Originally by: Galimiy Portret Well, yes, WoW is ebil and should not be even mentioned without recieving immidiate divine retribution, but... It did introduce some things which is really good and should be adapted to the general MMO perception. Nope, sorry... wow didn't introduce a single new concept to MMORPG's. Not 1. Even the developers will tell you that. Quote: THose things are: * Customizable UI. A godsend from heaven. You are no longer stuck with the original UI which is NEVER going to be optimal for ALL of the player base. I really hope this concept gets general acceptance to the standard MMO set of features. WRONG: EQ1 had a customizable UI. So did many other MMORPG's LONG before WoW came along. Quote: * Reduced level grind. Well, the truth is that I never got a max lvl char in any other MMO I've played. Why? Well, it was boring as hell to run 1000 same looking missions or kill 100000 same looking mobs to get to max level and still having to do the same amount of work to get a decent equipement. Note that EvE does not have those flaws. Wrong again. Numerous MMO's before WoW have had reduced level grinds over their predecessors. SWG had an even shorter trip to finished template than WoW's route to '60' was. SWG is 2-3 yrs old than WoW. PlanetSide has a very short route to 20 (max level at the time) than WoW currently does. CoH - Shorter trip to max level... Etc. Quote: * Lack of micromanaging for an average player. Err... what? This statement doesn't even make sense. Quote: * It was fun the first half year. Yes, I admit it, I have never had so much fun in any MMO as in WoW. It died after a year tho. :) Well, a bit offtopic, lol. :) That one is personal opinion, not a feature :) Like I said... never ever ever mention WoW when talking about features. Every single feature in WoW is taken from another MMORPG. Even their PvP system isn't original or unique. what wow DID is take existing ideas and simplify them. That's all it did. Which is why most veteran MMORPG players find WoW to be fairly watered down and boring.
Magistrate Tsuris	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:06:00 - [99] sorry to be a n00b, but has this been confirmed by CCP that they are implementing a "Warp to 0", or is this just speculation?
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:12:00 - [100] "CoH - Shorter trip to max level... Etc. " Then they've seriously lessened the CoH grind or you were doing something wrong in WoW.

Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:14:00 - [101] Originally by: Magistrate Tsuris sorry to be a n00b, but has this been confirmed by CCP that they are implementing a "Warp to 0", or is this just speculation? Speculation based on the fact that its on test server now. (also the devs have stated that instas will be going away at some point, so theres less reason to believe its just a trial run on test)
Magistrate Tsuris	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:24:00 - [102] Originally by: Raste Originally by: Magistrate Tsuris sorry to be a n00b, but has this been confirmed by CCP that they are implementing a "Warp to 0", or is this just speculation? Speculation based on the fact that its on test server now. (also the devs have stated that instas will be going away at some point, so theres less reason to believe its just a trial run on test) wow, great - are there any official threads or blogs on this? i really like this idea, but was hoping it wouldn't be a 'vanilla' solution, that it might involve skills or something other than just warping in on top of the gate.
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All	Posted - 2006.11.08 22:06:00 - [103] I just play Eve for 2 Month, but does "warp to 0km" mean i can now fly afk through 0.0 secs, don't have to be afraid of those gatecampers and can fly my iteron full of slaves, drugs and exotic dancers through New Eden? That's "un-thrilling" :( And about "everyone has bookmarks": I don't think, that every player has bookmarks from every gate in every system. If you "live" in one region, you have of course instas from every gate you needed or may need in future, but not from systems that are 30 jumps away. I don't like the idea of warping to 0km. Greets, Pherusa
Sol Flare Caldari The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:15:00 - [104] Edited by: Sol Flare on 08/11/2006 23:16:41 I would like to amend the first post to state: "I pledge to use MWDs to get from station to gate, gate to gate, belt to belt, and not use warp to move any distance in EvE. WHO'S WITH ME???" Ok... I'm just playing here... but really, if the the option is there, use it to its full advantage. There is no reason not to use it. Plus think of all the processing power we get back! And to address the previous quote about being about to autopilot through 0.0 in it. No... I severaly doubt they will have AP able to warp to 0. And 0.0 bubbles will now become a necessity for any gate camp.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:29:00 - [105] I'm truly amazed that there is one thread about this where most everyone says "No to warp to 0km!" and another thread about the exact same thing where everyone says "Yes to warp to 0km!". It's like herd mentality, everyone follows the 2nd poster. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Jason Kildaro Minmatar Synergy Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:54:00 - [106] I liked warp to 15. Not because I engage in gate piracy and stuff like that. But because it made ships different. I took a frigate to bust through camps. I took a Battleship to break them. I looked for workarounds when it came to bigger cargo runs. I used tech2 industrials. Good bye to all of that now! The game has been dumbed down because traders could not make a concession. What concession? CCP gave you these awesome tech 2 ships to bust through the camps. Those will never be used now. Were gate campers lame? Maybe, but what is really going to be lame is the death of trading. Some of you guys don't realize what your whining did. Am I going to pay you to trade anything? Am I going to pay you anything for a courrier mission? Nope, my newbies can do that now. Your cargo space ain't worth squat. Do you really think your trade runs are going to be as profitable? Much more people are going to find them now. The only thing we can hope is that this will allow people to low sec space. I think it will. I hope it will. Again, not becuase I am a pirate but because I would like to see markets expand. I would like to see alternate profeesions come out of the game. As it stands we are taking professions out. If warp to zero is implemented, what happens to drug smugglers, mercs, anti pirate hunters, and frieghter pilots? I may be Chicken Little and claiming the sky is falling but I think that the new option will change things drasticlly in the markets and not for the better.
Captain Ruin	Posted - 2006.11.09 01:14:00 - [107] Edited by: Captain Ruin on 09/11/2006 01:15:13 I think that adjusting the actual warp speed of ships to a level which makes travel an issue, AND adding a Warp to 0 option, is the best solution I've heard so far. Cut everything's warp-speed to at least half it's current, and then adjust the speed up or down form there, depending on the ships mass.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.09 01:18:00 - [108] Originally by: Galimiy Portret Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Galimiy Portret /totally *NOT* signed! I, personally, is totally fed up with having to copy 5 or more regional BM sets to all three of my characters to be able to participate in pvp! I hate when it comes to micromanaging in a MMORPG! I hate micromanaging, it ruins every MMO I have played. Say YES to "Warp to 0"! Well, one MMORPG being an exception. WoW didn't have micromanaging in my experience. Heathen! Never ever ever use WoW as an example of anything good. It's just WRONG :) Well, yes, WoW is ebil and should not be even mentioned without recieving immidiate divine retribution, but... It did introduce some things which is really good and should be adapted to the general MMO perception. THose things are: * Customizable UI. A godsend from heaven. You are no longer stuck with the original UI which is NEVER going to be optimal for ALL of the player base. I really hope this concept gets general acceptance to the standard MMO set of features. * Reduced level grind. Well, the truth is that I never got a max lvl char in any other MMO I've played. Why? Well, it was boring as hell to run 1000 same looking missions or kill 100000 same looking mobs to get to max level and still having to do the same amount of work to get a decent equipement. Note that EvE does not have those flaws. * Lack of micromanaging for an average player. * It was fun the first half year. Yes, I admit it, I have never had so much fun in any MMO as in WoW. It died after a year tho. :) Well, a bit offtopic, lol. :) ok but apart from all that what did wow ever do for us ? I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Dagda Dia	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:03:00 - [109] It is a game mechainc tool. Live with!! /NOT SIGNED you wanted instas nefered, CCP did that. You wanted lag caused by copying BMs stopped, CCP did that. Those Insta's will soon be worthless. But to be fair to the 60% of players that wanted instas they did the "warp to 0". Go gate camp in 0.0 and learn to live with the game as CCP dicates, just like us solo players do. Move along nothing to see here, yes I am a ALT Just portecting my main.
Rual Storge Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:08:00 - [110] some people fear change Rual Storge, Battlestars

Dagda Dia	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:15:00 - [111] It is a game mechainc tool. Live with!! /NOT SIGNED you wanted instas nefered, CCP did that. You wanted lag caused by copying BMs stopped, CCP did that. Those Insta's will soon be worthless. But to be fair to the 60% of players that wanted instas they did the "warp to 0". learn to live with the game as CCP dicates, just like us solo players do. Move along nothing to see here, yes I am a ALT Just portecting my main.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:36:00 - [112] Ha, you mortals don't realise what this is really about, do you? 1) Add warp-to-0km 2) Wait as players delete their own instas 3) Remove warp-to-0km 4) ????? 5) profit Or at least that's what I would do if I were CCP, but then again I'm a bastard
Rekindle	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:43:00 - [113] /not signed - Buying regional book marks is simple enough. Its not worth the server load and its not worth being used as a cheap tactic in large battles. -------------------------------------------
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.11.09 04:08:00 - [114] If I could spend 30D training a skill to give me 0km all the time, AKA all of Eve instas, I'd do it.
Christina Vallentine Caldari Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:12:00 - [115] Originally by: Jason Kildaro I liked warp to 15. Not because I engage in gate piracy and stuff like that. But because it made ships different. I took a frigate to bust through camps. I took a Battleship to break them. I looked for workarounds when it came to bigger cargo runs. I used tech2 industrials. Good bye to all of that now! The game has been dumbed down because traders could not make a concession. What concession? CCP gave you these awesome tech 2 ships to bust through the camps. Those will never be used now. Were gate campers lame? Maybe, but what is really going to be lame is the death of trading. Some of you guys don't realize what your whining did. Am I going to pay you to trade anything? Am I going to pay you anything for a courrier mission? Nope, my newbies can do that now. Your cargo space ain't worth squat. Do you really think your trade runs are going to be as profitable? Much more people are going to find them now. The only thing we can hope is that this will allow people to low sec space. I think it will. I hope it will. Again, not becuase I am a pirate but because I would like to see markets expand. I would like to see alternate profeesions come out of the game. As it stands we are taking professions out. If warp to zero is implemented, what happens to drug smugglers, mercs, anti pirate hunters, and frieghter pilots? I may be Chicken Little and claiming the sky is falling but I think that the new option will change things drasticlly in the markets and not for the better. It's not that I don't see what you mean. But realistically... You are telling me you don't use instas in 0.0? Cause if you do. Then your not experiencing all of these delightful things you speak of. And there is no difference between an insta and a 0km warp. It is the same.. except less lag for all with the 0km option. Warp to 15 didnt happen at gates in 0.0 anyway. And if it did people just called that person who warped in at 15 a moron and "he should have known better, poor him."
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:08:00 - [116] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Warp to 0km option gate to gate with autopilot still dumping you at 15km? PWN!! Auto warp to 0km when docking at a station? Not so pwn.. Here's hoping that feature is SISI only.. would work best imo Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Dark Stryker	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:03:00 - [117] I don't think warp to 0 is so bad idea, its just removes need for billion instas and might save newbies few ship losses. ----------------------------------------------- - Eve Games - Weekly isk prices for the winner. Eve Games website
Felix Dzerzhinsky	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:18:00 - [118] I just hate it how those who favor warp to 0 are heavy industrialists who want to have insta jumps for their freightors, alliances that think it will allow the faster deployment of fleets, and lazy people who somehow feel that warp to 0 will allow them to bypass a gatecamp. Those who are against it want more pvp, more risk, more regionality and more competition in the game. basically, they want the game stay true to the 15km warp system it was at. This will give new meaning to the blockade runners, the MWDed out Impels and Prowlers and such. . .the advantage of using an inti or a frig over a BC or battleship is the abuility to move quicky - with warp to 0 - all this changes, and I don't like the idea.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:42:00 - [119] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky I just hate it how those who favor warp to 0 are heavy industrialists who want to have insta jumps for their freightors, alliances that think it will allow the faster deployment of fleets, and lazy people who somehow feel that warp to 0 will allow them to bypass a gatecamp. Those who are against it want more pvp, more risk, more regionality and more competition in the game. basically, they want the game stay true to the 15km warp system it was at. This will give new meaning to the blockade runners, the MWDed out Impels and Prowlers and such. . .the advantage of using an inti or a frig over a BC or battleship is the abuility to move quicky - with warp to 0 - all this changes, and I don't like the idea. crap they want to be able to cheap gank noob haulers because they are to lazy or to socially maladjusted to engage in team work to really pvp. oh yea /me 75% 0.0, 10% lvl 4 missions in empire, 15% industrial, and warp to 0 figuratively rocks I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Athena Starfire Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:56:00 - [120] Edited by: Athena Starfire on 10/11/2006 12:59:44 3 thumbs up * FOR * WARP-TO-ZERO... THANK YOU CCP, FOR THIS GREAT ADDITION FOR THE PEACEFUL PLAYER... -- Proud Winner of the "Carebear Of The Year" Award..



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