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Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:32:00 - [1] So to solve this obviously glaring problem, I suggest CCP implement the Double My Wallet button. Each time you press it it will double the size of your wallet. This will make the game far easier for casual and newbie players who may or may not have a lot of time to make money in Eve. I mean seriously, who really wants to spend minutes, hours, days, weeks, or monthes making ISK? One click of a button or several thousand will solve the problem. It can go right above the Warp to Zero button. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:41:00 - [2] Edited by: darklegionca on 10/11/2006 05:42:37 lol oh god thats awesome.... not go back to wow and if you want to make isk faster go to low sec and kill npc rats ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:43:00 - [3] Originally by: darklegionca Edited by: darklegionca on 10/11/2006 05:42:37 lol oh god thats awesome.... not go back to wow and if you want to make isk faster go to low sec and kill npc rats Sure why not. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:46:00 - [4] but that would encourage macro play, to click the button repeatedly..... 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:48:00 - [5] Originally by: mazzilliu but that would encourage macro play, to click the button repeatedly..... But it would reduce ISK sales. That means anyone NOT in favor of this idea is a macro user!! ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:48:00 - [6] what if i don't want to put the effort in to click the button? is there another way?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Swor what if i don't want to put the effort in to click the button? is there another way? Making everything free could work, but then what would be the point of ISK or anything for that matter? ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:52:00 - [8] We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Lord Artemis Filthy Wyrm	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:57:00 - [10] Originally by: mazzilliu but that would encourage macro play, to click the button repeatedly..... The saddest thing in the world is that your absolutely right, given an option to press a button to make isk there would be many to create a way for that to be automated to assist in players being more and more lazy. _____________________________ ... this space for rent ...
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:59:00 - [11] Then I have the ultimate solution. Eve Visa Cards. Completely free to use. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. We'll fix that by having NPCs sell TII stuff, and have it all capped at 100 million ISK! Then the game will be fair!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Nullity Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. We'll fix that by having NPCs sell TII stuff, and have it all capped at 100 million ISK! Then the game will be fair! But you clicked the button three more times than me! That isn't fair! ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. 2800 times actually. --- I'm in ur signature, writing ur witty comments. T2 BPOs.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Vazion Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. 2800 times actually. Nope, 11 times pushing the button would have the net effect of increasing the principle amount by 2,048 fold. you need the 12th time to get above 2800. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Bewl Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:26:00 - [16] Live with it (Warp to 0). This is getting truely annoying.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Bewl Live with it (Warp to 0). This is getting truely annoying. Live without it; Warp to 0. This is truly getting to be an annoyance. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:36:00 - [18] Bah.. Warp to 0km makes it viable for the unwashed masses to migrate out of high sec.. Eve has needed a carrot like this for quite a while.. And I already have an "I win" isk button.. Plexs.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:39:00 - [19] I do see the upside to them, I'm not trying to say there isn't one, but the costs overall to the game in the big picture are too great to justify my own eve life greed. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:51:00 - [20] Ultimately, Warp to 0 should not even be on the table, since the insta problem is that they were possible, not that players became dependent on them. Your vice and weakness should not force the game into pandering to the lazy, stupid, or cowardly. The mere fact CCP is even considering such an option is leading me to believe they have lost the vision they had for Eve. I know how that sounds, but what Warp to Zero is going to do is shift the blame from the players to CCP on who is responsible for the crappy state of the game. CCP can either relent and give the whiners what they want or remove instas and anything like them once and for all. And it seems to me that CCP is giving in to the whiners. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Xeaon Minmatar Last Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Thor Xian Ultimately, Warp to 0 should not even be on the table, since the insta problem is that they were possible, not that players became dependent on them. Your vice and weakness should not force the game into pandering to the lazy, stupid, or cowardly. The mere fact CCP is even considering such an option is leading me to believe they have lost the vision they had for Eve. I know how that sounds, but what Warp to Zero is going to do is shift the blame from the players to CCP on who is responsible for the crappy state of the game. CCP can either relent and give the whiners what they want or remove instas and anything like them once and for all. And it seems to me that CCP is giving in to the whiners. QFT a thousand times over sadly As I see it, no matter how trivial warp to 0 seems to some, eve is going down a path many other decent mmos have gone before (UO, bah). If it keeps getting more and more dumbed down it will just die. ------------ Originally by: Righteous Fury Eve is not about the old preying on the new, its about the smart preying on the utterly incompetent.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Xeaon As I see it, no matter how trivial warp to 0 seems to some, eve is going down a path many other decent mmos have gone before (UO, bah). If it keeps getting more and more dumbed down it will just die. Its ironic that people feel this way, when gate camping and sniping are so simple even a monkey can do it. You want eve to be more difficult? Well, then try to think outside the box a little and see what eve pvp could BECOME if it wasnt for the counterstrike instaganks and killboards some people are so proud of. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:53:00 - [23] i made 1.5B ISK in 0.0 in the lats 2-3 days ( what with loot etc and a nice implant find)
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:54:00 - [24] Why some people think that having to put actual effort into gatecamps to get kills means Eve is catering to the lazy,cowardly,whatever,blahblahblah I will never understand. ---------- IBTL \o/
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:09:00 - [25] Gotta love these whiney warp to 0 threads I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jim McGregor Its ironic that people feel this way, when gate camping and sniping are so simple even a monkey can do it. You want eve to be more difficult? Well, then try to think outside the box a little and see what eve pvp could BECOME if it wasnt for the counterstrike instaganks and killboards some people are so proud of. Been on sisi recently? It is already much harder to "instagank" people. A semi-reasonably fitted ship has little problem getting to a gate now. Yes, warp to 0 makes it harder to instagank people. Thats why its a good change. People arguing against it because it dumbs down eve is what I was arguing against. Its the opposite, really. Now pirates have to work harder and be more organized to get kills. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Xaildaine	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! Come on man This is one of the few threads not about the T2 lotto.. dont hijack
Vazion TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Vazion Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Nullity We won't even have to press the button if all accounts are given a gift of 100,000,000,000,000,000 ISK upon logging in! New Vagabond price: 280,000,000,000,000,000,000 So you would still have to press the button at least twelve times. 2800 times actually. Nope, 11 times pushing the button would have the net effect of increasing the principle amount by 2,048 fold. you need the 12th time to get above 2800. Ar..Ya beat me.. --- I'm in ur signature, writing ur witty comments. T2 BPOs.
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Bah.. Warp to 0km makes it viable for the unwashed masses to migrate out of high sec.. Eve has needed a carrot like this for quite a while.. And I already have an "I win" isk button.. Plexs.. First people (pirates) moan about no-one being in 0.0. Now people (pirates) moan about too many people (carebears) having access to it. I'm utterly confused. Do you WANT more bloody targets or just more non-bubbled gate camp kills? Having access doesn't automaticaly give you the knowledge of how to survive there either. If you ask me you'r getting it easier. Thats the trouble with pirates. Never know what they want. I suggest we ignore them completely... oh wait ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim McGregor Its not that. I think its more that most players doesnt see anything profitable about low sec. When you can run level 4 missions for an hour solo, or you can try to go to low sec and do some mining/complex running for a hour, the end result is that the missions are more profitable in a risk/reward kind of way. Thats whats wrong. Well, there is a bit of that, but it isn't the whole story. Remember when CCP nerfed lvl4's? Did everyone leave hi-sec to go and do something harder and more risky to keep the same level of income? Nope, they sat in Empire, grinded their mission, and moaned. If you moved all lvl4 missions out of hi-sec do you think all the mission runners would move to lo-sec? I doubt it, they would just grind lvl3 mission, and moan enough about quitting until CCP threw them a bone. Those people will not face risk. They believe they have a right to play unmolested. They aren't playing Eve-Online, they are only playing a subset of it, and that is all they are willing to play. They don't want anything to happen which they are not in control of. You won't see them leave hi-sec until PvP is made consentual ... The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Avon Been on sisi recently? It is already much harder to "instagank" people. A semi-reasonably fitted ship has little problem getting to a gate now. Yes, warp to 0 makes it harder to instagank people. Thats why its a good change. People arguing against it because it dumbs down eve is what I was arguing against. Its the opposite, really. Now pirates have to work harder and be more organized to get kills. You know exactly what I mean, and frankly I didn't expect the wise-guy treatment from you, I am disappointed. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jim McGregor Its not that. I think its more that most players doesnt see anything profitable about low sec. When you can run level 4 missions for an hour solo, or you can try to go to low sec and do some mining/complex running for a hour, the end result is that the missions are more profitable in a risk/reward kind of way. Thats whats wrong. Well, there is a bit of that, but it isn't the whole story. Remember when CCP nerfed lvl4's? Did everyone leave hi-sec to go and do something harder and more risky to keep the same level of income? Nope, they sat in Empire, grinded their mission, and moaned. If you moved all lvl4 missions out of hi-sec do you think all the mission runners would move to lo-sec? I doubt it, they would just grind lvl3 mission, and moan enough about quitting until CCP threw them a bone. Those people will not face risk. They believe they have a right to play unmolested. They aren't playing Eve-Online, they are only playing a subset of it, and that is all they are willing to play. They don't want anything to happen which they are not in control of. You won't see them leave hi-sec until PvP is made consentual ... your slightly off the mark there Avon (btw did you used to play ww2ol ?) i run level 4's in empire, i live in 0.0 where i run many risks daily, level 4's in empire for me are a kind of R&R, and i bet there's a lot more who do the same, so sorry but that assessment is totaly wrong (imho) I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Avon If you moved all lvl4 missions out of hi-sec do you think all the mission runners would move to lo-sec? I doubt it, they would just grind lvl3 mission, and moan enough about quitting until CCP threw them a bone. Those people will not face risk. They believe they have a right to play unmolested. They aren't playing Eve-Online, they are only playing a subset of it, and that is all they are willing to play. They don't want anything to happen which they are not in control of. You won't see them leave hi-sec until PvP is made consentual ... Maybe you are right and they wouldnt leave high sec even if low sec was very profitable, but at least then the game would be fair in terms of risk/reward like it should be. So I think they should move level 4's to low sec. If the grinders want to spend their game in high sec with level 3's, and put in twice the amount of time to make the same bucks as in low sec, then so be it. But the ones who take the risks should get good rewards. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jim McGregor Its not that. I think its more that most players doesnt see anything profitable about low sec. When you can run level 4 missions for an hour solo, or you can try to go to low sec and do some mining/complex running for a hour, the end result is that the missions are more profitable in a risk/reward kind of way. Thats whats wrong. Well, there is a bit of that, but it isn't the whole story. Remember when CCP nerfed lvl4's? Did everyone leave hi-sec to go and do something harder and more risky to keep the same level of income? Nope, they sat in Empire, grinded their mission, and moaned. If you moved all lvl4 missions out of hi-sec do you think all the mission runners would move to lo-sec? I doubt it, they would just grind lvl3 mission, and moan enough about quitting until CCP threw them a bone. Those people will not face risk. They believe they have a right to play unmolested. They aren't playing Eve-Online, they are only playing a subset of it, and that is all they are willing to play. They don't want anything to happen which they are not in control of. You won't see them leave hi-sec until PvP is made consentual ... your slightly off the mark there Avon (btw did you used to play ww2ol ?) i run level 4's in empire, i live in 0.0 where i run many risks daily, level 4's in empire for me are a kind of R&R, and i bet there's a lot more who do the same, so sorry but that assessment is totaly wrong (imho) It is a generalisation, so there are bound to be exceptions. It isn't like I have never run a lvl4 mission either. However, as generalisations go, I would say it is still pretty valid. I certainly know a lot of players (and don't get me wrong, they are great people) who conform to the stereotype I describe. Claiming that adding warp to 0 will draw them out of empire is untrue, it just isn't the game they want to play. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim McGregor Maybe you are right and they wouldnt leave high sec even if low sec was very profitable, but at least then the game would be fair in terms of risk/reward like it should be. So I think they should move level 4's to low sec. If the grinders want to spend their game in high sec with level 3's, and put in twice the amount of time to make the same bucks as in low sec, then so be it. But the ones who take the risks should get good rewards. I don't disagree, but that is an entirely different topic, non? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:44:00 - [36] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 10/11/2006 11:46:00 I would have to agree with Avon. Back when i was a nubbin mining scord in tash-murkon prime i was terrified of going into lowsec. I had this sorta mental block whereby i simply refused to go into lowsec because of the big bad PvPers. Course after the war system came in my carebear mining corp got decced and i found out what i was missing. I salute you random wardeccing 'griefers', without you i may still have been stuck in hi-sec grinding missions or mining scord to this day. /me bathes in his flashy redness ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Liklin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Liklin on 10/11/2006 11:47:35 stoopid alt chosen by default grr :)
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:48:00 - [38] Sorry Avon where i run missions i see tons of people from other 0.0 alliances all the time, anyway as we both both probably know anyone whose only playing one aspect of the game is seriously missing out right ? whose missing out there ? they are, and thats my feeling about gate gankers who only want to cheap ganks, and want to keep the lag instas cause or what ever else it takes to maintain a very pathetic status quo. no thx mate warp to 0 is excellent (imho) I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jim McGregor Maybe you are right and they wouldnt leave high sec even if low sec was very profitable, but at least then the game would be fair in terms of risk/reward like it should be. So I think they should move level 4's to low sec. If the grinders want to spend their game in high sec with level 3's, and put in twice the amount of time to make the same bucks as in low sec, then so be it. But the ones who take the risks should get good rewards. I don't disagree, but that is an entirely different topic, non? Yes, but everything is tied together. Oh well. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Del369 Sorry Avon where i run missions i see tons of people from other 0.0 alliances all the time, anyway as we both both probably know anyone whose only playing one aspect of the game is seriously missing out right ? whose missing out there ? they are, and thats my feeling about gate gankers who only want to cheap ganks, and want to keep the lag instas cause or what ever else it takes to maintain a very pathetic status quo. no thx mate warp to 0 is excellent (imho) But "cheap ganks" are already very much harder on sisi, the situation has been quite effectively addressed. If you think I argue against warp to 0 because I want to gank people at gates, you are very much mistakened. One of the main aspects of my continued (and it is literally years of debate on the issue) postion is that the safety and speed of instas have to be addressed as seperate issues in order to bring about a reasonable solution. If gate ganking is too easy, make it harder (which has been done). Instas should not be seen as a valid defence to ganking, and no balance can be reached so long as they are seen as such. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:16:00 - [41] As long as "Warp to 0" is manual, I fail to see a problem. It won't speed up people who used to AFK travel, and it won't slow down people who already had instas. What "Warp to 0" does is it remove the need for more and more people to get instas for everywhere - which is a Very Bad Thing for the servers. I would like to know what your solution would be, Avon. I'm not trying to troll/flame/whatever. I'm curious, however.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:17:00 - [42] I just see to many +'s for warp to 0 and hardly any -'s tbh. only noobs aren't using instas, whose benfitting here ? gate campers who prey upon cheap ganks. instas take up untold hours of time thats wasted, to copy. they cause server lag that can be done away with (the lag they cause not lag in itself) less lag everyones happy. who knows maybe even fleet battles may become viable again. never said you were a whiney gate camper :) you never answered my q anyway. I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:21:00 - [43] Also. I remember Valar saying that bookmarks cause a very high load when a person with them moves from node to node. Queues, anyone?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Victor Valka I would like to know what your solution would be, Avon. I'm not trying to troll/flame/whatever. I'm curious, however. Personally I would be happy to have all instas removed, with no ability to remake them, and no replacement. My compromise position, however, has always been a module (now either lo-slot or a rig) which halfs your warp-in distance. (And you can verify that by searching my numerous posts on the subject, which has been ongoing for a very long time). The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:37:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/11/2006 12:37:59 A skill sucks, because its just a time sink and everybody eventually trains it. Back to 0 with nothing changed. Except newbies wont have it and will get killed until they do... No. Bad idea. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Victor Valka Edited by: Victor Valka on 10/11/2006 12:21:34 Also. I remember Valar saying that bookmarks cause a very high load when a person with them moves from node to node. Jump queues, anyone? Edit: For clarity. jump queues in 0.0 jumping from an empty system into an empty system, go figure that one :( cant wait for instas to be gone. dont want to lose a slot at all. a skill maybe, but warp to 0 works for everyone so hey. bubbles pull people off gates if placed right you'll still get many people travelling afk all over. I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!
DefJam101 Gallente Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:42:00 - [47] Originally by: darklegionca Edited by: darklegionca on 10/11/2006 05:42:37 lol oh god thats awesome.... not go back to wow and if you want to make isk faster go to low sec and kill npc rats This was a joke post, lol And if your trying to make a point never say... Zomglol that would be awesome....NOT Makes you sound kinda......uhm ***
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Del369 dont want to lose a slot at all. It isn't "lose" a slot, it is "use" a slot. You compromise one area of your ship's performance to gain an advantage in another area. It is called "balance". The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
StarStryder Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:09:00 - [49] We really need to split this into two problems: 1) The issues that arise from warping directly to a gate. 2) The server load caused by instas. Whether you think that Warp to 0 is a good thing or not, I don't think anyone can deny that it will reduce server load. This is a good thing and as far as I can see has no downside at in terms of problem 2. Now, addressing problem 1 is trickier. There have been many ideas and debates on the subject for years. So, given that instas need to be removed to address problem 2, should CCP: a) (warp to 0) Replace instas with a feature that changes nothing in the gameplay mechanics (ignore the impact on BM sellers) b) (any one of the various ideas touted so far) Rush to implement a system with which they are not happy and has massive impacts on the rest of the game. I think that option a is by far the most sensible. It does leave the issue to direct to gate warping unresolved, but I think that no fix is better than a half-arsed fix. In the mean time "warp to 0" will clear a lot of server lag. Let's just be grateful for that.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:17:00 - [50] Whoa there big fella...when did this train get on this track? Thought it was about makeing boatloads of isk real fast, not that ** warp to 0 crap. Want to make ISK real fast? I pay 10 million isk for any pictures that put the ISD members in lets say less then socialy acceptable attire. And Winterblink you cant play, you already have that one of Wrangler. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate** or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Mickey Mouse Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Roshan longshot Whoa there big fella...when did this train get on this track? Thought it was about makeing boatloads of isk real fast, not that **** warp to 0 crap. Want to make ISK real fast? I pay 10 million isk for any pictures that put the ISD members in lets say less then socialy acceptable attire. And Winterblink you cant play, you already have that one of Wrangler. there was a hidden message in the post And for the warp to 0 is a good fix cause if people have to warp at 15 they just wont go to 0.0 cause there will be a tiny chanse they survive the trip and then we are back to where every nub and carebear hugs the empire "safe" systems and we want more people (to kill) in 0.0 dont we? Im no alt!!!
Artean Minmatar North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:30:00 - [52] Edited by: Artean on 10/11/2006 13:32:25 Originally by: Swor what if i don't want to put the effort in to click the button? is there another way? Yes. Optimally, CCP would contract a firm to develop an in-game macro, smootly integrated to the EVE user interface, which would press the buttom according to your settings (i.e. one/two/three time(s) every second/minute/hour etc.). This service would, of course, only be available at a (small) fee. As a side-note; the macro would be operated from external servers and, hence, no additional lag should be expected. ........ There's a thin line between professional gate camping and just standing by a gate looking like an idiot...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:43:00 - [53] Whoa! Paying the game to play itself! GENIUS! [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Capt Harlock Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:01:00 - [54] These forums never fail to amaze me
Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:06:00 - [55] Quote: It can go right above the Warp to Zero button. And just below the "Upgrade my BPO tech level" button. --- Sell orders Recruitment
Souma12	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:06:00 - [56]
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:21:00 - [57] And somewhere in this great big eve-verse, some capsuleer is thinking...."man this feature will really allow me to compete!"
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Xeaon As I see it, no matter how trivial warp to 0 seems to some, eve is going down a path many other decent mmos have gone before (UO, bah). If it keeps getting more and more dumbed down it will just die. Its ironic that people feel this way, when gate camping and sniping are so simple even a monkey can do it. You want eve to be more difficult? Well, then try to think outside the box a little and see what eve pvp could BECOME if it wasnt for the counterstrike instaganks and killboards some people are so proud of. Only stupid or lazy people get caught in gate camps...Pardon if I feel no sympathy for them. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Thor Xian So to solve this obviously glaring problem, I suggest CCP implement the Double My Wallet button. Each time you press it it will double the size of your wallet. This will make the game far easier for casual and newbie players who may or may not have a lot of time to make money in Eve. Don't like this idea - old players will have to do much less clicking than the new one to get to the same isk level. Imho we need to nerf old players or give the new one a boost. -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE!
Rei Toai Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Steven Dynahir Quote: It can go right above the Warp to Zero button. And just below the "Upgrade my BPO tech level" button. i'm not sure if i should laugh or cry __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
Becham	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:03:00 - [61] Quote: Only stupid or lazy people get caught in gate camps...Pardon if I feel no sympathy for them. Isn't that pretty much how it is now? I haven't been caught in a gate camp since I discovered how to use instants, local, jump clones, and how to effectively use the map. Sounds like not much will change except that instead of scanning down my bookmark list to find the gate (highlighted in green), I'll scan own the overview for the right gate. But, we've all heard this argument as well as the other side of the argument upteen times over. When all is said and done, it's up to CCP to decide how to proceed.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Mickey Mouse And for the warp to 0 is a good fix cause if people have to warp at 15 they just wont go to 0.0 cause there will be a tiny chanse they survive the trip and then we are back to where every nub and carebear hugs the empire "safe" systems and we want more people (to kill) in 0.0 dont we? How are you going to kill more people in 0.0? There won't be more people in 0.0, and they will already be much harder to kill, plus now they have built in instas to every station and gate you could possibly try to intercept them. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Victor Valka As long as "Warp to 0" is manual, I fail to see a problem. You are not alone there. Quote: It won't speed up people who used to AFK travel, and it won't slow down people who already had instas. This is the part that gets me, nobody should ever have had instas in the first place, so you can't use that as justification for a game mechanic that has much further reaching consequences than wannabe pirate gate camps/snipers (who are already very nerfed in Kali). Quote: What "Warp to 0" does is it remove the need for more and more people to get instas for everywhere - which is a Very Bad Thing for the servers. What Warp to Zero does is say CCP doesn't have the balls to simply get rid of instas without putting in a replacement 'feature'. Warp to Zero is not only not necessary, the 'demand' for it is addiction driven. It is a bad thing for everyone who plays in one aspect or another whether they use it or not. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:24:00 - [64] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/11/2006 16:24:44 Originally by: Thor Xian What Warp to Zero does is say CCP doesn't have the balls to simply get rid of instas without putting in a replacement 'feature'. Yeah, because making bad decisions because its ballsy has always been a good idea... Seriously, things will be fine. Go have a hamburger. I will. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/11/2006 16:24:44 Originally by: Thor Xian What Warp to Zero does is say CCP doesn't have the balls to simply get rid of instas without putting in a replacement 'feature'. Yeah, because making bad decisions because its ballsy has always been a good idea... Seriously, things will be fine. Go have a hamburger. I will. We will see, but I think the advent of the Hurricane has clouded your vision. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Thor Xian We will see, but I think the advent of the Hurricane has clouded your vision. They usually do (hurricanes). --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:29:00 - [67] I think we should have a button implemented in game that takes money out of our RL accounts and puts it into a big Charity account for starving kids in Africa. You and your 'me me me, i want i want i want, and this isn't fair this isn't fair this isn't fair'. be grateful for what you have and take a second to concider those who are less fortunate that you. [/ethics-lesson] --------- NEED A SIG PLEASE.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:35:00 - [68] Lol, funny thread. But this button already exists, actually it exists in 2 forms. 1 form is some T2 BPOs, which eliminate all the need to worry about ISK in Eve, other way is GTCs, but you have to pay your RL money for the latter. In any case what you think should be in game is already in game
Dukath	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:43:00 - [69] I agree with the OP. I can only play so much and I don't have time to rat or mine all day long. As I want to fly faction equipped battleships I fully approve of the double my isk button. And to people who complain about this, you can always increase prices on stuff you sell to counter it. It will not change the game at all, really.

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