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Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:27:00 - [1] I keep getting this message when i start singularity up...is there something wrong with mine? or is it merely down for the last day or so?
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:27:00 - [2] I keep getting this message when i start singularity up...is there something wrong with mine? or is it merely down for the last day or so?
Mr Ninjaface Minmatar Shurekin INC	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:29:00 - [3] closed for fanfeast . When you fly around the world to hang out with a bunch of nerds and buy the devs bree you can have the test server to your self too MY thoughts on Kali
Mr Ninjaface Minmatar Shurekin INC	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:29:00 - [4] closed for fanfeast . When you fly around the world to hang out with a bunch of nerds and buy the devs bree you can have the test server to your self too MY thoughts on Kali
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:37:00 - [5] lame...but thx : D
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:37:00 - [6] lame...but thx : D

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:58:00 - [7] lame? we're using singularity for the pvp tournament where players should be enjoying a nice, lag free area to put their leet pvp skills to the test. I'd rather not have players turning up in dreads trying to gank people for giggles. Just remember, your access to singularity is a GIFT, not a right. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Jiekon ...where players should be enjoying a nice, lag free area to put their leet pvp skills to the test. Whish I could say that about Tranquility. Oh, well... good luck with testing Kali.

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:05:00 - [9] Edited by: Jiekon on 10/11/2006 23:05:58 theres only ~64 players on SISI max at the moment though EDIT: P.s: normal testing procedures will return after fanfest :) ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Atar Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:43:00 - [10] Well personally I think it would be cool to allow players on so we could talk to people at the fan-fest so we can know what those of us that need to work and can't go are missing!


Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.11 00:12:00 - [11] thats why we have forums. The only players in SISI are those participating in the PVP Tournament, so they will be fighting, not chatting to you. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Rual Storge Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:45:00 - [12] although it seems like an anoyance to us, its very logical for them to use the test server for the tourney than to setup a whole new server for an event that will only last a little while. Rual Storge, Battlestars
ArchenTheGreat Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.11 08:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Rual Storge although it seems like an anoyance to us, its very logical for them to use the test server for the tourney than to setup a whole new server for an event that will only last a little while. They could probably do it in Jove space. No player would harass them there. Problem is lag on Tranquility.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.11 09:03:00 - [14] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 09:03:16 Originally by: Jiekon we're using singularity for the pvp tournament where players should be enjoying a nice, lag free area to put their leet pvp skills to the test. Do they still recognize the game? Yeah, im naughty. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:35:00 - [15] Edited by: RobW1 on 11/11/2006 10:35:59 I'm sorry but saying that our access to SiSi is a GIFT upsets me a little. If we, regular players, didn't have access (not that we've had a VAST amount in the last 3 weeks anyway) then testing for this new release would take HOW MUCH LONGER? Alot for sure. Ask any company that uses "customer" testing to test out it's products... it's a hell of a lot quicker, and a hell of a lot more useful than just in-house testing. So it's fine that the PvP tournament uses SiS, but it would have been nice to have been told, or for it to be put on the MOTD. It's another example of lack of communication from CCP, IMHO.
Ingols	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Jiekon lame? we're using singularity for the pvp tournament where players should be enjoying a nice, lag free area to put their leet pvp skills to the test. I'd rather not have players turning up in dreads trying to gank people for giggles. Just remember, your access to singularity is a GIFT, not a right. Wait, I thought that's what Eve is all about?

Jiekon	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:51:00 - [17] Originally by: RobW1 Edited by: RobW1 on 11/11/2006 10:35:59 I'm sorry but saying that our access to SiSi is a GIFT upsets me a little. If we, regular players, didn't have access (not that we've had a VAST amount in the last 3 weeks anyway) then testing for this new release would take HOW MUCH LONGER? Alot for sure. Ask any company that uses "customer" testing to test out it's products... it's a hell of a lot quicker, and a hell of a lot more useful than just in-house testing. So it's fine that the PvP tournament uses SiS, but it would have been nice to have been told, or for it to be put on the MOTD. It's another example of lack of communication from CCP, IMHO. I`m sorry you feel upset about my comments, but it is true. Singularity is CCP's test server. They control who accesses it and who doesn't. If they decide that they are going Many people think it is their god given right to access the test server, but this isn't the case. I agreee that without player help, Kali testing would be a more complicated matter and we ARE gratefull for the valuable input gained by our players. As for the lack of communication, LeMonde did make a post here regarding the matter. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: RobW1 Edited by: RobW1 on 11/11/2006 10:35:59 I'm sorry but saying that our access to SiSi is a GIFT upsets me a little. If we, regular players, didn't have access (not that we've had a VAST amount in the last 3 weeks anyway) then testing for this new release would take HOW MUCH LONGER? Alot for sure. Ask any company that uses "customer" testing to test out it's products... it's a hell of a lot quicker, and a hell of a lot more useful than just in-house testing. So it's fine that the PvP tournament uses SiS, but it would have been nice to have been told, or for it to be put on the MOTD. It's another example of lack of communication from CCP, IMHO. I`m sorry you feel upset about my comments, but it is true. Singularity is CCP's test server. They control who accesses it and who doesn't. If they decide that they are going Many people think it is their god given right to access the test server, but this isn't the case. I agreee that without player help, Kali testing would be a more complicated matter and we ARE gratefull for the valuable input gained by our players. As for the lack of communication, LeMonde did make a post here regarding the matter. I think the problem is more the condicending way you're "informing" people of why they can't log on. The way you come across it feels like we should thank CCP on our bare knees to help you test stuff. Well I won't thank you and I think we deserve a little more respect form the people we are paying to make this game. _________________________________________________________
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:47:00 - [19] Could CCP perhaps put something in the KALI forum with regards to when the test server will be back available to us? I don't look in the Events forum, so I had no chance of spotting LeMonde's post (plus we've been told to keep Kali discussion in the KALI sub-forum, and to me that implies stuff relating to SiSi too). Maybe CCP should take SiSi away from us completely, that way many of us won't be torn between two worlds.. In one world we just say "Screw it, SiSi isn't reliably available to us, so why bother trying to help test". In the other world we think that if we help test even just a little bit, that we might be able to help CCP out, and make Kali GREAT.
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Jiekon Many people think it is their god given right to access the test server, but this isn't the case. What a bunch of ****-head players, trying to help test a game for free that they're paying for. You deserve so much better. First time I've heard god brought into it though. Let me try it...God I hope you're never on the other side of a resume if I'm hiring customer service.

Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Raste Originally by: Jiekon Many people think it is their god given right to access the test server, but this isn't the case. What a bunch of ****-head players, trying to help test a game for free that they're paying for. You deserve so much better. First time I've heard god brought into it though. Let me try it...God I hope you're never on the other side of a resume if I'm hiring customer service. QTF, CS keeps threating the whole community as pimple faced kids who say "0M6, H4X!" every second word they use. There are teachers, doctors, police officers, managers and CEOs amongst us, you better change that attitude of yours towards your customers or you're sorely going to regret it in the future.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 14:32:56 Umm... not sure why people are upset? Jiekon is right. The test server isnt included in the subscription. You cant make any demands for it to be up, or accounts to be activated etc. If you dont want to help ccp test stuff, there are plenty of other people who will... im not sure what the problem is here? If its about the "god given right"-comment, was it really that bad? People are very sensitive here.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Gouglash Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:32:00 - [23] Jiekon isn't being condescending, he's just telling you how it is. If you can't handle the fact that SiSi is not included in your subscription, that's your problem, not a fault in Jiekon's matter-of-fact attitude here. SiSi is apparently up enough for hundreds or thousands of bug reports to be filed. Maybe you just aren't as important as you think you are.
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 14:32:56 Umm... not sure why people are upset? Jiekon is right. The test server isnt included in the subscription. You cant make any demands for it to be up, or accounts to be activated etc. If you dont want to help ccp test stuff, there are plenty of other people who will... im not sure what the problem is here? If its about the "god given right"-comment, was it really that bad? People are very sensitive here.... I don't think anyone here has said that it is included in our subscription. That being said it would be too hard for some actual information about SiSi unavailability to posted in the Kali forum would it? The problem here is lack of information. There are others, but that's the main one that gets in my mind.
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Gouglash Jiekon isn't being condescending, he's just telling you how it is. If you can't handle the fact that SiSi is not included in your subscription, that's your problem, not a fault in Jiekon's matter-of-fact attitude here. SiSi is apparently up enough for hundreds or thousands of bug reports to be filed. Maybe you just aren't as important as you think you are. Again, no one has mentioned subscription. You don't know how many bug reports have been filed, as you're not CCP. Granted there have been many pages in the thread at the top of this sub-forum, and granted there are probably more. There could also potentially be a lot more if people received communication around SiSi, by that I mean : * Availability (or lack of it) * Focus area * believed-to-be-fixed areas (there have been two or three patches since the initial build of Kali on the server, but nowhere has there been information on what has been fixed, if we knew that we could retest if required, or ignore areas if they are being focused on). I agree Jiekon wasn't been condescending, but I can also see how many people may take his comments "the wrong way".
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:49:00 - [26] Originally by: RobW1 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 14:32:56 Umm... not sure why people are upset? Jiekon is right. The test server isnt included in the subscription. You cant make any demands for it to be up, or accounts to be activated etc. If you dont want to help ccp test stuff, there are plenty of other people who will... im not sure what the problem is here? If its about the "god given right"-comment, was it really that bad? People are very sensitive here.... I don't think anyone here has said that it is included in our subscription. That being said it would be too hard for some actual information about SiSi unavailability to posted in the Kali forum would it? The problem here is lack of information. There are others, but that's the main one that gets in my mind. It goes up and down several times per day. The client tells you if its up or down. Thats all the info you should need, no? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:53:00 - [27] No How about some information on the MOTD about it's use for Fanfest? How about some sort of thread indicating what is fixed, or believed-to-be-fixed issues? How about some sort of thread indicating focus areas?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/11/2006 14:56:12 Originally by: RobW1 No How about some information on the MOTD about it's use for Fanfest? How about some sort of thread indicating what is fixed, or believed-to-be-fixed issues? How about some sort of thread indicating focus areas? Well yeah, but this thread was about the server being up or down, wasnt it...? I agree it would be great with more info on what needs testing. Been saying that since I tried the test server for the first time. But that wasnt what Jiekon was commenting on... Oh well. Go watch EveTV btw, they are broadcasting from the fan fest in 6 minutes. Check General Discussion sticky. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Katana Seiko Made in Germany	Posted - 2006.11.11 15:04:00 - [29] A news entry like "SiSi will be taken off public for Fanfest PVP Tournament" would be nicer than just informing us that way. The people that need to work or don't plan to go on that Fanfest at all wouldn't go and check out the Fanfest Forum in all details... But still they would like to see WHY their beloved SiSi won't accept their connection... Regards -Katana PS: I don't think that it's a right... It's more of both an honour and a drug you feed us with, testing the long-awaited new content in an easy and more controlled environment... 0.0 without oversized egos that blow you up and kill you just for being there and noone caring... --- The future begins now - in EVE we live it, in real life we create it!
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.11 16:25:00 - [30] I could care less if i can acces sisi or not. Fact is that I don;t like the way some CCP people treat the player base. If my boss would hear me talk to our clients like CCP does. "our service is a gift not a right, if you don't like it just leave" then I'm sure I'd be looking for a new job the next day. _________________________________________________________



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