Wesdo]Basically, you would be happy with no fights as long as you hold all the space. Understood. But you should understand that most people are the other way around with a few notable exceptions.

Sov is the content driver, not the content. I know this is a hard concept for a bitter role-player such as yourself to understand.

Also, to summarise your vision for FW;

1)- Free intel from NPC sources. Who needs player intel channels?
2)- Bombers can run FW missions to farm LP.
3)- Tier levels should be done on the boom and bust cycle of inferno which was almost universally condemned.
4)- PvP should be balanced at the 1 frigate vs 1 frigate level.
5)- Boosts should be on grid so they become unusable by all but the largest fleet in the area at any given time and nano fleets are practically impossible to boost for.
6)- Complains about stagnation but then says station lockouts are bad. The single largest conflict driver over the last 2 years.

Im sure there are more terrible ideas that you advocate for, that was just off the top of my head.

Apart from Gallente FW, all FW missions can be done in a stealth bomber. Fix it so Gallente can run FW missions in a Stealth bomber and then all are balanced. Should they be able to be run in a bomber? I don't see why not.

I think the people complaining about the FW mission runners, are the ones who can't catch them and don't have the skills trained to fly a stealth bomber; so they can run them themselves.

May I write you have no clue?!
I was in NC and there have been whole alt corps of fw bomber toons in minnie militia.

I am complaining about fw mission payments. I had bomber toons in three militias. Now only two :P
I had tons of minnie bomber kills the last three montsh since I came back.
But at the end you catch always the less experienced ones. Not to mention the guy who is quadboxing caracals for missions, the other minnie guy who is always with his falcon alt and the tons of other guys who have always their hecate alts next door or the really bad guys like this CAAN0N guy from church of aweseome in calmil who has his ishtar minnie alt and plenty others and causing civil militia wars everywhere^^

So yep you have been completely wrong.

Edit: I HATE YOU POCKET!!! GRRRR!!!! You know I really enjoyed it here in curse.....

Edit2: I think CAAN0N really deserves his own thread meanwhile, regarding all the drama he is causing^^

As far as what you wrote let me briefly address each:

1)Clearly player run intel channels are unable to drive out rabbit plexers. Why when ccp proposes a navy maulus with an extra point does everyone instantly think they intended this for faction war plexes?? The player intel channels need help. Intel tools that give us real time intel on plexes being run would drastically increase the amount of pvp per plex and supplement the player run intel channels. That null sec players get intel about their assets being attacked does not mean they no longer need player intel channels. It does however allow them to defend their space in pvp. It means the strategic aspects can rise to another level. More intel means more data. More data means more complex strategies can happen.


2)Level 4 Mission lp amounts need to be nerfed whether they are run in bombers or cloak/mwd ishtars. Missions donGÇÖt effect sov so I really donGÇÖt care about them too much except the amount of lp they give is killing all lp markets. Yep I donGÇÖt really care if bombers can run faction war missions or not. If bombers can run them they should simply pay less than if you need a hac or bs to run them. I do think the missions should be balanced so one faction doesnGÇÖt have easy missions and the others donGÇÖt. The travel and blitz attack mechanic is a good mechanic to bring people to low sec to do pve.


3) Inferno paid way too much. But the cashout system made people interested in gaining sov and brought the militias some higher level strategy on how to do it. All factions hit tier 5 cashouts, except amarr that hit tier 4, so no faction was ever a complete bust. Every faction had a boom. It was an exciting time to be in faction war. It was never nearly as stagnant as the current system. It also rewarded people to stick with their faction instead of jumping to the higher tier faction. The cashout had issues that needed to be addressed. 1) the payments were way to high and 2) they had to do some tweaks to ensure it would not be beneficial to have alts bust flip your own system. 3) There were tons of other issues that ccp did address such as huge disparate between the rats in each plex etc. But those were separate issues from cashout versus our current forever grind model.

4)I honestly donGÇÖt even know what that means and of course never suggested that.

5)I think ogb are a cancer for eve. Put them on grid or get rid of them, whatever. Even if forced on grid they would need to be nerfed. But having them be so powerful, when they are not even present in the fight, is crazy dumb. Their rise in use has in fact corresponded with a huge drop of people signing on. There is plenty of evidence that suggests this timing is not pure coincidence. You of course ignore the evidence because your boosted garmur makes you feel special.

6)Driving your enemy far away also decreases content. IMO there would be more pvp if the station lockout rule was eased. Keeping enemies separated is generally not good for pvp. Look at null sec. The station lockout rule has also reduced variety of places you can roam. Pre-lockout you could place ships throughout the warzone and fight all sorts of different small groups. Now you have fewer larger groups and fewer systems to go to if you want fights.

1- You intel channels may be inadequate. But ours dont seem to be. Coupled with the already expansive intel in the FW window its easy to keep track of whats happening.

2- I actually agree with you here, to an extent. however, bringing people to low sec in pve ships is stupid. Thereforultimately a better idea to just remove them.

3- No, inferno was horrible. You have admitted in the past that you didnt do any of the hard work around making it happen. In minmatar space you could sometimes have to bash 40 systems in a couple of days. Imagine that in gal space where you would have to bash 80+. Having dozens of vulnerable systems for weeks on end is absurd and doesnt represent 'caring about sov'. Not to mention that it wouldnt work at all now its impossible to over-plex a system indefinitely..

6- I was against station lockouts. Because i was lazy. There is no denying the extent that they have forced factions to work together and with their allies to bring about a content type that is simply not available anywhere else in EVE. Remove station lockouts and we go directly back to the;

"hey, theres someone in a a plex in system"
"nevermind, it makes no difference if i stay docked or go fight"

1) OMG cant believe ur still banging on bout npc intel channel

2)make missions like burners therefore you have to fit kinda a pvp fit and should hold your own. leave the becons detectable to all but reduce LP payout.

3)Inferno nearly broke the game people in bombers doing riskless pve even out incomed lvl5 mission runners who have to commit a carrier or shiny stuff (thats fkd up in risk v reward) also the over plex and bashes sucked big time..
Yes they were also stagnent caldaris mashed over gals cos everyone dogpiled there i think gals may have managed 1 or 2 cashouts..
minmatar was even worse the only reason amarr got a cashout was because nulli joined and flipped bunkers with supers in 1 night and even they quit at T4...
i also remember people making false corps in the other side just to flip systems so it could be farmed back again.... (broken as ****)

4) concerning ogb ccps sub level is dropping atm i dont think they would risk alot more unsubs because of usless alts either that or it will go bk to the old way of falcon alts

5) station lockouts are great and are conflict drivers imo you want the option of multiple reships through out the region then fight for the right to it

Come see how well your stabbed alt works at helping you dock in any of the stations that i have ships in.

Thanks for the invite. But I think I would rather go to a power point presentation on ball cancer than play FW alt plexing games.

Maybe ask these guys:
1. Orn Lorn
2. Monk-Black fast
3. xFleuryx

Last I checked ccp's api dump they were the top vp gainers in all of faction war in the past week. Obviously they must be good pvpers so you might want to check their killboards and get an idea of how they fit their ships.

little off topic here but I have been wondering for a long time now how you are able to check the vp gain on ppl care to explain?

3) There were tons of other issues that ccp did address such as huge disparate between the rats in each plex etc. But those were separate issues from cashout versus our current forever grind model.

4) It's true removing the cancer might involve some short term pain. But if it ever wants to be healthy that is the best thing to do. I think everyone recognizes that. The only reason to leave it in is if ccp wants to sell eve. Which I do not believe is the case. They will get rid of ogb. I would just like to see if plexes could sort of be like seperate systems so if you don't bring your booster in the plex you don't get the boosts. It seems silly that they only allow frigates in novice plexes but really they let the benefits of a Strategic cruiser in those plexes.

some easy things to improving FW

• KM for iHubs -> to see pilots who participate in militias
• intermilittias/interwarzones gates (what about Arzad-Kedama and Egmar-Agoze?) just for militia members (there is no interest to make neutrals/powerblocs move better)
• make system upgrades usable - pos fuel reduction for militias, free repair service at station, me sale for manufacturing, but only for militia members (they spend time and LP's, not neuts)
• autosuspect for neuts entering fw plex
• make ranks usable and makes every promotion with standing + (because all demotions = standing loss)

+ how solve tier switching -> just change system of LP rewards, if Amarr pilots in C/G WZ, he just get Caldary LP (apply caldary tier) .... intermilita farming alts influence rapidly decrease

some easy things to improving FW

• KM for iHubs -> to see pilots who participate in militias
• intermilittias/interwarzones gates (what about Arzad-Kedama and Egmar-Agoze?) just for militia members (there is no interest to make neutrals/powerblocs move better)
• make system upgrades usable - pos fuel reduction for militias, free repair service at station, me sale for manufacturing, but only for militia members (they spend time and LP's, not neuts)
• autosuspect for neuts entering fw plex
• make ranks usable and makes every promotion with standing + (because all demotions = standing loss)

+ how solve tier switching -> just change system of LP rewards, if Amarr pilots in C/G WZ, he just get Caldary LP (apply caldary tier) .... intermilita farming alts influence rapidly decrease

FW shoud be about fighting not farming

You don't get ISK from FW missions. You get discounted items and sink ISK.
If all those "idiot" goons moved into FW and made their "money" farming missions, there'd be no ISK in the economy to purchase the items you trade in the LP store.
Where'd you think the ISK came from when you sold your items on the market? Nowhere?

I think his point is that very little isk is generated. Therefor the isk value of LP is relative only to the demand of the product its used to create.

To a large extent, nerfing the amount of LP reward will simply throttle the speed of modules to market and inflate their price and as such the value of isk/LP.

You get isk indirectly or nobodywould bother with them. The insertion of a loyalty point store middle man doesnt change the fact that isk is the end result.

I'm "kinda" disappointed with the changes.

These patrols will solve all our problems it seems.

Nullsec gets timer rollbacks while FW doesnt despite the fact that we are asking for it since years. But I really don't know what do we expect when "our" CSM (Gorski) said that FW is about PVE and farming and sad but true that FW is listed under business.

PIC

But I am very happy we have a lot of new skins and navy griffin...

FW people kinda makes me think of hobbits for some reason... Docile, content, sitting around, smoking their pipe drinking ale in safety, while the world changes aorund them. Every time CCP changes something for null or highsec in a bad way the forums rises up with threadnaughts till CCP makes changes. When it happens with fw... nothing... perhaps we deserve what is coming...

@Aria There are enough variations of LP items that it is hard enough to drive one item down in cost unless it is done all at once, as when the cash-outs were done.

Even then, SFI's still sold at 20m and Firetails at 4m. Many Comet's get bought. Many Comet's die. LP items get sold, LP turns into ISK. I'm having a hard time turning your argument over in my head. The comparison to moon extractions, Sleeper loot, and even PI can be made, yet there they are. And so is ISK. Has it not occurred to you that these items have ENABLED some to tap pure isk faucets? Selling a datacore for a ship, which becomes an Ishtar that, after it's own turn sold, is turned into a null sec ratting ship...