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Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:54:00 - [151] Originally by: John McCreedy If you're going to post something I've said on internal forums, why not show it all? Or are you afraid that you'll be unnable to spin it in a negative light if you Eve actually reads what was said in its entirity? Of course, what you'll probably do now is post an alterd version of what I said and spin that some more. For those of you not associated with BoB, what I actually said was that whilst it was a heavy loss and whilst we made some silly mistakes, considering we could of lost 7 Dreads rather than 3, it wasn't as big a disaster as the original poster was making out. That's what's commonly refered to as finding a silver lining in a cloud and by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good. When XirtamVOTF left the game/retired I felt something was missing from the game. You have replaced the missing part. For that I thankyou from the bottom of my heart. I hope you never change or leave the game Madeye McCreedy. Eve wouldnt be so fun without you in it.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:19:00 - [152] I haven't cleared my cache in months, and I've had no problems with anything I'm just sayin' Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:25:00 - [153] Originally by: John McCreedy ... by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads ... Aesop would say in his fables that this sounds like a case of sour grapes. Good Lord, a good thing you lost _only_ 3 dreads that day... hehe
Tribunal FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:25:00 - [154] Quote: Either side of Thursday's slaughter ASCN's TS server has rarely seen more than 30-40 people in the same channel If you're going to be lame at least do it quitely. "We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:42:00 - [155] Originally by: John McCreedy ...and by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good. That "anyone" person needs to get kicked in the head. Acceptable losses are those that help you actualy accomplish something.... like sacrificing your horsey to get a checkmate. (get the chess pun?)
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:12:00 - [156] as an illustration of the point, this is an acceptable loss. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Dark Horseman The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:53:00 - [157] Re: Demand ASCN Members Surrender "Nuts!" -General Anthony C. McAuliffe (July 2, 1898 - August 11, 1975)
Marine03112	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:14:00 - [158] I have missed most of this war due to military obilgations but i cant wait to come back WOOT!.
konkord eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:30:00 - [159] Originally by: Marine03112 I have missed most of this war due to military obilgations but i cant wait to come back WOOT!. For your information, a Management Overview. <<Background detail, BoB, large alliance widely regarded as uber PvP'ers with alot of skill and experience dec ASCN, an industrial based alliance, for a 'challenge'>> BoB unoff. Dec ASCN BoB come fight ASCN BoB kill ASCN Fleet #223 of 348732947 BoB create thread detailing their might and ability and pwnz0redness. Everyone shouts 'here here' ASCN fight BOB ASCN have small interspersed victories and righteous kills ASCN dont create threads about our ubz0r kills BoB create propoganda spin EvE community overwhelmed with BoB vs ASCN forum posting ratio ASCN continue to defend and fight, taking heavy losses BoB utilise 'shady' techniques should as spy, TS whoring and crank amazing seemingly unstoppable PR machine into 2nd gear BoB deploy e-wang Titan, use it tactically several times to some use. ASCN dont deploy Titan directly instead, use it for insertion of pilots closer to the action BoB propoganda PR spin vs lack of Titan useage. BoB propoganda PR spin offering member corps way out. ASCN continue to fight BoB, but leave forum war-eage to those too drunk to play (me!!!) ASCN continue to fight BoB ASCN continue to fight BoB Pretty much where we're at. in a month? ASCN continue to fight BoB. It'll be the same thing for a while tbh. We'll continue to fight BoB, win some, lose some, and probably always end up the black sheep of the situation because we simply dont have enough forum gonads to spin the amount of PR cack that is flushed onto these pages. Its fun though. Keep watching you'll see what i mean. ----------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:45:00 - [160] well, we rolled a small roaming gang into AZN tonight. And we got told to please leave, the gang is too big for a fight. We had about 35 in gang and if you cant muster up that in prime euro time in what has been hailed to be your main system, then sorry, thats not gonna hack it in the long run. That gang warped in on one of our unfortunate frigates to gank it outside your station and I didnt see a single battleship. And I was there 30km away from you in my rapier. Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:07:00 - [161] Originally by: Dark Horseman Re: Demand ASCN Members Surrender "Nuts!" -General Anthony C. McAuliffe (July 2, 1898 - August 11, 1975) WESTMORELAND O that we now had here But one ten thousand of those men in England That do no work to-day! KING What's he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin; If we are mark'd to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more. By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires. But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England. God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour As one man more methinks would share from me For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more! Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into his purse; We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is call'd the feast of Crispian. He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.' Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars, And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.' Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember, with advantages, What feats he did that day. Then shall our names, Familiar in his mouth as household words- Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester- Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day. The Bard April 1564 - April 1616 Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:26:00 - [162] Originally by: Hast Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship. Speaking of that, how come when you guys lose a capital ship (like you did yesterday) its not in red? I know its pretty insignificant but its probably better to make it equal on both sides since you like to chest thump about your board being so accurate all the time.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:32:00 - [163] Originally by: Malius Originally by: Hast Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship. Speaking of that, how come when you guys lose a capital ship (like you did yesterday) its not in red? I know its pretty insignificant but its probably better to make it equal on both sides since you like to chest thump about your board being so accurate all the time. It's only capital ships on the front page that are red. If you click anywhere else in the killboard, enemy capital ships are not in red. It's nothing more than simplicity. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:38:00 - [164] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Malius Originally by: Hast Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship. Speaking of that, how come when you guys lose a capital ship (like you did yesterday) its not in red? I know its pretty insignificant but its probably better to make it equal on both sides since you like to chest thump about your board being so accurate all the time. It's only capital ships on the front page that are red. If you click anywhere else in the killboard, enemy capital ships are not in red. It's nothing more than simplicity. dbp I see now. Thanks for the reply/correction.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.11.14 02:39:00 - [165] alright. i read all of blacklights post and only thing i got to say here is : bob is good, bob is indeed very good But not that good. sorry. but u will convince me when feyth is urs and u can maintain it clear of ur enemy. and comon did u ever expect that ascn will make it that hard for u ? u even build a titan and brought it to the front to have an advantage whereas ascn uses tiny capital rescources and still is able to slow u down so heavily. imagine what happens if ascn gains the security of kalis hp boost to capital ships. even the most cowardish carebear will fly his dreadnaught into the fight if he is safe from insta ganks and lag traps. plz stay away from this type of post. even if it is propaganda it is not very good. the key to good propaganda is to make the reader believe it is 100% neutral news and is therefore ture. u wrote it too Pro-Bob anti-ASCN. u might try and give ASCN a lil more credit and respect in ur future post m8. about the last "offering ascn a new home" part of ur post. it is poor that u think a blog from one of ascns leaders which mentions the consqequence of failure enables u to make such offers. if ascn consisted of moraly corrupt members they would have surrendered in the early stages of the war and not in week 7 or 8. the longer the war is fought the bigger the moral of fighting for a cause develops. every member of a faction who becomes aware of the danger of failure (and this danger is becoming more visible to the singel person the longer the fight lasts) consequently develops a feeling of responsability to avoid this failure. its the same thing with the farmer who defends his land. the stronger the enemy the more dogged the defender fights. u are the agressors. u are a by far more vulnerable to moral loss. if an offensive is stopped it is very hard to convince ppl to grab the guns for another push. dont be disrespectful to ascn or any other faction u agress. u never know what could happen next. what would happen if ascn gains control over u ? what if they suddenly decide to meet ur attmepts to break their morale with even more effort on the battlefield ? what if they send in a fleet to kill ur home systems ? what if they convince another faction to aggress u ? u see every day which passes shows the eve community that u are not invincible. and this is a big danger to an agressor who is dedicated in only one task at a time. u take care for ur repetition so others are intimidated, but what if ur repetition is loosing weight with every day passes and ur enemy is still there to fight u ? offence killed a load of ppl and led to their extinction. think about it and dont let my words be burried under dozens of flame posts of ur members just because my thoughts could be subversive to the light in which u want to be seen by other ppl. u are good but not perfect. and ofc there are a lot other profesionals in eve besides the band of brothers. everyone makes mistakes...some are small and easy to correct...some are not. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.14 02:41:00 - [166] screws for the lose, nails are better.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:41:00 - [167] Originally by: John McCreedy ....only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:44:00 - [168] Originally by: Lexor SLice exactly, nobody is saying you CANT roam delve/PB, and your more then welcome to do so if it enriches your gaming experience, but its not going to win the war, in fact, its more likely to hurt you in the long run. if you think about it, (apoliges if this sound flaming in advance) that 10-13 people you have roaming delve ganking haulers/afk frigs etc etc, if you were in h8-, azn, gq2, etc etc, the people already there+ you might be enough to do long range support sniping, or ANYTHING really to get you into a fight. i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO. kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th. these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too. bob loses (bob = bob + slave corps) Assault Frigates: 13 Battlecruisers: 1 Battleships: 43 Capsules: 40 Command Ships: 3 Covert Ops: 2 Cruisers: 8 Frigates: 5 Heavy Assaults: 13 Interceptors: 71 Interdictor: 11 Mining Barges: 1 Recon Ships: 12 Shuttles: 7 sha-k loses Assault Friguates: 4 Battlecruisers: 2 Battleships: 23 (9 from TPAR and TCAG) Capsules: 17 Command ships: 1 Cruisers: 3 Frigates: 1 Heavy Assaults: 2 Industrials: 1 Interceptors: 9 Recon ships: 2 Total Losses: 65 Total Kills: 230 as you can see we are killing nothing but "haulers/afk frigs etc etc" in delve i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it! there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland. -xian
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:55:00 - [169] Originally by: Xianthar Corp V. Alliance (+ anyone it has blue stats) Posting individual corp stats Vs. alliance is a joke, theyre phony skewered stats and we've already been through this with EDF. Combine that with the fact that you have to include your random kills on anyone who happens to be blue to us to make it look impressive to the few people who dont understand that corp vs. alliance stats are meaningless. The only thing you've shown is you feel the need to distance youself from your alliance's performance to feel better about yourself. Your really, really reaching here. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Flavius Renatus Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:00:00 - [170] Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Lexor SLice exactly, nobody is saying you CANT roam delve/PB, and your more then welcome to do so if it enriches your gaming experience, but its not going to win the war, in fact, its more likely to hurt you in the long run. if you think about it, (apoliges if this sound flaming in advance) that 10-13 people you have roaming delve ganking haulers/afk frigs etc etc, if you were in h8-, azn, gq2, etc etc, the people already there+ you might be enough to do long range support sniping, or ANYTHING really to get you into a fight. i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO. kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th. these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too. bob loses (bob = bob + slave corps) Assault Frigates: 13 Battlecruisers: 1 Battleships: 43 Capsules: 40 Command Ships: 3 Covert Ops: 2 Cruisers: 8 Frigates: 5 Heavy Assaults: 13 Interceptors: 71 Interdictor: 11 Mining Barges: 1 Recon Ships: 12 Shuttles: 7 sha-k loses Assault Friguates: 4 Battlecruisers: 2 Battleships: 23 (9 from TPAR and TCAG) Capsules: 17 Command ships: 1 Cruisers: 3 Frigates: 1 Heavy Assaults: 2 Industrials: 1 Interceptors: 9 Recon ships: 2 Total Losses: 65 Total Kills: 230 as you can see we are killing nothing but "haulers/afk frigs etc etc" in delve i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it! there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland. -xian And yet you continue to lose stations & systems....hmmmm interesting tactical approch. It would have been effective 2 1/2 yrs ago when I was in CA, the miners would have been howling in the council until peoples ears bled, and the fighting corps would have been recalled by the council. But I am afraid that tactic now, against this alliance, gains you nothing from a war effort stand point. Now I am not saying that you are not having fun, it is alot of fun to run around and get a couple of ganks, I will not argue that. But if you think that it has any kind of impact on what we are doing, then I am sorry but it really, really does not. If anything, I think you are actualy hurting your side more than ours. Your Fellow Alliance Members, that are in system trying to defend the stations and POS's, could probaly use your guns here and would gain more from your participation in the defense, then they get looking at your kills on the kill board. I forget the name of the Roman Emporer that fiddled while Rome burned but it is a very good comparison. Just food for thought. Flavius Renatus (Ancient Roman Military Historian) Real Power Is Something You Take!!!
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:08:00 - [171] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: Xianthar Corp V. Alliance (+ anyone it has blue stats) Posting individual corp stats Vs. alliance is a joke, theyre phony skewered stats and we've already been through this with EDF. Combine that with the fact that you have to include your random kills on anyone who happens to be blue to us to make it look impressive to the few people who dont understand that corp vs. alliance stats are meaningless. The only thing you've shown is you feel the need to distance youself from your alliance's performance to feel better about yourself. Your really, really reaching here. those stats are not based on kill board participations they are a tally of kills by gangs run by our corp, hense they do not have the issue of corp vs alliance, i.e. this is a tally of actual ships killed and actual ships lost. i stated that kills may include members of other corps that were with us, never the less there is no skew here do to the participation issue. also given the fact that our corp was completely on assignment during this period i think they do an excellent job of showing that we are not ganking miners in delve but fight primarily combat ships. we are not distancing ourselves from anyone, stop reading crap into everything, YOU stated an incorrect fact about what was going on in delve, since we were on assignment there we are in the best position to prove you wrong. whats the problem? -xian
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:09:00 - [172] Originally by: Moghydin I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks. silly rabbit outpost are for big boys.... Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:15:00 - [173] Originally by: Xianthar whats the problem? Looks to me like the problem is your alliance could only field a 35 man gang to defend your pos a few hours ago, while your quoting corp vs. alliance stats from regions away. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:18:00 - [174] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: Xianthar whats the problem? Looks to me like the problem is your alliance could only field a 35 man gang to defend your pos a few hours ago, while your quoting corp vs. alliance stats from regions away. high five on the quick change of subject. -xian
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:19:00 - [175] Originally by: Xianthar kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th. these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too. So they are participations. Quote: some rabble of stats by Xianthar Comparing one corp's stats against alliance again, eh? Quote: there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland. There are BoB gangs doing what they want, when they want and where they want in Paragon Soul, Feythabolis and Esoteria so much so that those regions have become a barren of wasteland. -- Nobody stays behind
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:28:00 - [176] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Fi T'Zeh There can only be one Fitz Can I have your stuff then? I know roaming Delve/PB is, generally speaking, a waste of time in the greater scheme of things, but its also a lot more fun than POS hugging and fleet combat (from our perspective at least) and last time I looked it was a game played for fun so we need to give people a bit of R&R and to bed some new guys into the corp. In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better. We improve slowly, you get more of a challenge (which is what I understand you are after), people get some positive feeling back and see that BoB ships die just like everyone elses, so from that perspective its worth doing. Cya in space. Thats a sensible answer, not a bad idea under different circumstances. Unfortunetly your allaince cannot afford to waste the time needed to do this. Why arent you incharge btw? ;) Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:29:00 - [177] eh your right i have completely failed to show that the people whom are in delve are not just killing haulers. anyway, next argument: take this as a flame if you wish, but.... stab on a carrier.....why? -xian
Aethana	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:29:00 - [178] im not gonna bother reading this whole thread all i need to know is what blacklight said. All im getting is that the bob leaders are whining that they cant get a decent fight anymore and your enemy has chosen POS wars instead of facing you head on. You choose to shoot pos, deal with it.
Baldermoore The Legion.	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:30:00 - [179] Edited by: Baldermoore on 14/11/2006 04:31:12 Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Lexor SLice there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland. -xian 1) its not hard to hide in npc stations and gank 2) delve has always been a barren wasteland 3) as has been mentioned your stats are skewed and silly hey ma i posted in a bob thread
Lord Panther Amarr Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2006.11.14 04:32:00 - [180] Edited by: Lord Panther on 14/11/2006 04:37:13 If this is some sort of debate as to who is winning the war, one only needs to look at who is achieving their strategic objectives. Perhaps it's a matter of ASCN members not posting their losses. When a BoB member loses a ship, they are told to post it and the board is checked to be sure that they did. That doesn't appear to be the case with ASCN. For example their kill board says that in Week 46, they killed five battleships and lost 6. But kill messages posted on the BoB killboard shows ASCN really lost 42 battleships and killed 8. BoB is trying to take over systems in Paragon Soul. Three systems have fallen and efforts to take over others are well underway. BoB roams at will in a wide swath of Paragon Soul. ASCN is trying to choke off Delve. While they have killed some ships they have not succeeded in doing so. BoB pretty much moves around Delve at will and no systems have fallen. Furthermore the ship losses BoB has suffered in Delve are more than offset by the losses ASCN has accumlated in Paragon Soul. (it's not even close to being close) The lack of posting those losses on the ASCN killboard notwithstanding. You can try to fool people with killboard stats but you can't fool anyone if one side is achieving its strategic objectives and the other side isn't.

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