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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 04:33:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: Xianthar
stab on a carrier.....why?
Your NPCing carrier logged off at belt today to save his/her ship(which miserably failed anyway)... Why?
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Caybn E'vangel
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 04:33:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Caybn E'vangel
Originally by: Xianthar
whats the problem?
Looks to me like the problem is your alliance could only field a 35 man gang to defend your pos a few hours ago, while your quoting corp vs. alliance stats from regions away.
high five on the quick change of subject.
-xian
Hate to break it to ya, but if you had actually read Lex's post instead of just grabbing it as an escuse to post some phony stats you might have noticed that was the subject.
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Galavet
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 04:39:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Xianthar
Twisted Stats
If you count your ASCN mates kills as your own, then you have to count their losses, if not your stats mean jack.
On a side note, count all the corps you want into your BoB stats.. Hell count the gate rats in 1DH into your stats if it helps get them to a level your not ashamed to post. At the end of the day, deep down, you know what the real score is here.
Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO |
Marine03112
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Posted - 2006.11.14 04:40:00 -
[184]
I just want to say hi to all my BOB brothers and sisters and i hope both sides are enjoying the combat. It would be a very boring place indeed if we all just ran plexes and mined. Take care folks and i will be home close to the end of the month or in Dec to enjoy the fighting with everyone. Peace out.
Marine.
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Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:07:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Rebellion on 14/11/2006 05:09:28
By all means ASCN gangs should continue to stay in Delve. I've given up trying to give "tips". We keep saying it's pointless, you keep saying it's achieving something. Hey, you guys are probably right and we're just unable to see how much we're hurting in Delve. So stay in Delve. Meanwhile we have an appointment with AZN-D2. After we're done with the appointment, we'll meet you guys on our way back.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:08:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2006 05:13:00
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Both sides have made posts on this war, why cant people just leave it like that and be respectful?
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That being said, if you're looking for ASCN to be more respectful, you need to start with yourselves first.
Most every post made by a BoB member nowadays is meant as a morale-jab, and as such it intrinsically becomes a post created to spread negativity.
The problem here is that anyone that makes the argument to ôstar with yourselvesö gets put in an endless loop because the otherside can say the same thing and nothing gets done. IÆm not saying that you should start with yourself, merely that both sides could use some work with what and how they post.
Concerning our negative and jab posts, this is only to be expected. This is the natural course of war. I think that most people would agree that you can never really ôkillö an alliance by killing peopleÆs ships. In order to do so you have to make sure that the enemy has nothing left to gain by fighting. Not many other ways to accomplish that besides what we are currently doing.
ItÆs not like you can say your alliance isnÆt trying the same thing with your posts.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:08:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2006 05:12:37
Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2006 05:11:05
Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2006 05:09:55
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Riley Craven
I really would like to know how you come to this statement as a fact.
What I said is 100% factual. I wish I had the time you guys spend tapping out posts ingame.
I never said you guys didn't have a life, or live in your mom's basements, or you run around with shoes with little roller skates in the heels.
I made a personal comment, and it's 100% true.
OK I see what your saying, but what I donÆt understand is why you think posting on the forums is time consuming in the least bit. I mean its not like we have to search for threads like these, there are right there for us, and secondly typing doesnÆt take much effort (well if you have any practice, and most people on the forums I would argue have at least some)
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Fact: Both sides have their forum warriors that spend alot amount of time in this particular forum.
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You'll have to admit that the ratio is slightly skewed.
Actually, I wonÆt. The reason is I have seen now evidence to this fact. No one has done any statistical research for anyone to make what you saying true, one way or the other. As this would take a lot of time I donÆt think anyone would be willing to do it. But IÆd still like to see it broken down for anyone that has the time to do so.
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Fact: The Bob leadership has not spent their time posting on these forums every single day a new thread about how the war was going.
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True, but semantically true. Just because the BoB leadership doesn't start a new thread, doesn't mean that any number of members of the BoB leadership aren't flaying the forum on a daily basis with the "we are so yarr" vitriol we see here on a daily basis.
Also true, but remember this works both ways, your members have shown the same capability.
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I mean seriously, where does anyone get off making a statement such as this.
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I think I've earned the right after wading through the 3000 different BoB posts trying to ensure that something I need to respond to isn't missed on the forums.
YouÆve said the key word here: ôthinkö. Regardless if you actually have the right or not your post is still flaming, and you donÆt offer anything of substance.
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Its not like the war hasnt progressed. You've practically lost an entire region not to mention a crap load of ships and people STILL need to say "take it in game"!
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I think that is more about most average Eve players, not just ASCN, are tired of the constant chest beating, ranting and overbearing deluge of written rabble which blunts rational thinking.
In this entire conflict there has only been three BoB members which I feel I can maintain a civilized discourse, and that is with Rebellion, Pershephanie (when she is on her meds)
Ok you are making the case that you are tired of BobÆs chest beating. On that both sides are tired of basically what the other has to say, be it chest beating/morale boosts/ or plain propaganda.
The problem is that our ability to chest beat does not detract from our ability to kill peoplÆs ships and take their stuff. So the argument of taking it in game really doesnÆt hold.
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How much more do you need to loose to stop making such statments?
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I've already pretty much lost everything I own, and I'll happily point out what I think even when I'm fighting you guys in a Covetor armed with a micro smartbomb.
Ok thatÆs cool, at least your still fighting, but when you loose that ship at least you know we had to be in game for us to kill it.
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:31:00 -
[188]
To all of you people that take this game too seriously
Linkage
In all "seriousness" this is a game guys... treat it as such
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Earthan
Gallente
The Amazing Fire Eaters
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:45:00 -
[189]
Nice post Blacklight and congrats Bob, i was kind on your side.
Still pretty scary if you ask me,the biggest allaince gets beaten so fast, not sure who can oppose next to BOB.
Apart from my new 1 man corp ofc, i will pwn them soon:)
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A knight in space,war veteran.
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Fi Anaur
The Undertakers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 06:21:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Drakma
To all of you people that take this game too seriously
Linkage
In all "seriousness" this is a game guys... treat it as such
Then why are you insulting them in RL style ?
You should grab a night job cause your singing is the only pitfull thing i see/ear here.
And if you got the time to make that dreadfull song, why don¦t you go ingame and show some respect towards your alliance m8¦s and fight along side them in the frontlines ?
Just got to wash my ears from that screaming 
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oDDiTy V2
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 06:23:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Fi Anaur
Originally by: Drakma
To all of you people that take this game too seriously
Linkage
In all "seriousness" this is a game guys... treat it as such
Then why are you insulting them in RL style ?
You should grab a night job cause your singing is the only pitfull thing i see/ear here.
And if you got the time to make that dreadfull song, why don¦t you go ingame and show some respect towards your alliance m8¦s and fight along side them in the frontlines ?
Just got to wash my ears from that screaming
Lol? Uhh.. that's a Weird Al song man......
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Hinkledolph
Hinkledolph and K Associates
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.14 06:29:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Fi Anaur
Originally by: Drakma
To all of you people that take this game too seriously
Linkage
In all "seriousness" this is a game guys... treat it as such
Then why are you insulting them in RL style ?
You should grab a night job cause your singing is the only pitfull thing i see/ear here.
And if you got the time to make that dreadfull song, why don¦t you go ingame and show some respect towards your alliance m8¦s and fight along side them in the frontlines ?
Just got to wash my ears from that screaming
wow, just... wow....
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Nifel
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:10:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Dirtball
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
Sooo..Chowdown. How would u like to have BOB as a neighbour. U'll have Red/Goons attacking u from the west and BOB attacking u from the east. Maybe its in ure best interest to give ure dear allies, ASCN, a helping hand one of these days? 
bah shinra gave bob delve, they'd have to pull a backstab 2.0 on lv just like they did on ascn after they helped with ec
What backstab?
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car."
RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama |
Brother Agenos
CAPITAL TRUST
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:50:00 -
[194]
Good Job BoB. Kick them where it hurts.
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:26:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Dawn Princess on 14/11/2006 09:30:48
meh, I will leave the forum junk to the experts.
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari
Legion Federation
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:19:00 -
[196]
Question to BoB
1. I see Axiom has a station in Paragon - will you be attacking the Axiom station here to complete your conquest of paragon?
2. I assume you will move into estoria when you conquer paragon - Will you be taking out Prime Orbital Systems as well or just Focusing purely on ASCN?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:28:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Joe Bloggers
Question to BoB
1. I see Axiom has a station in Paragon - will you be attacking the Axiom station here to complete your conquest of paragon?
2. I assume you will move into estoria when you conquer paragon - Will you be taking out Prime Orbital Systems as well or just Focusing purely on ASCN?
Good questions.
Let's see what happens shall we ?
I'm fairly curious as well tbh.
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Mace Ardguy
Dark Wheel
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:46:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Xianthar
stab on a carrier.....why?-xian
It was probably part of his "tank".
Just be thankful it wasn't a "Chelm's Modified Warp Core Fluctuation Modulator" otherwise there would be cries from BoB at them losing the stab.
Good catch, though - getting enough points on one of those to kill it before they logged off. ;)
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Saleia
AFK Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:06:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Lexor SLice
i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it!
-xian
Wow..now thats a spin that could break a neck...how do you pull a positive out of this
ASCN/AXE losses
20 Dreads(most were T1 fitted)
10 Carriers
1-2 Frieghters
BoB losses
1 Carrier
1 Frieghter
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:15:00 -
[200]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/11/2006 13:16:29
Originally by: Saleia
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Lexor SLice
i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it!
-xian
Wow..now thats a spin that could break a neck...how do you pull a positive out of this
ASCN/AXE losses
20 Dreads(most were T1 fitted)
I really dont know why they do it ... the only explanation seems to be that they are corp owned and the pilot has to pay for the modules. If I'm correct, then is irresponsible to say the least, go to combat with that kind of fits, it only costs the alliance loads of money and the effiency will be so bad...
Seems to go on the Ascn last fashion of employing tec1 ships to fight the BOB gangs... is not watching your wallet that you going acomplish something 
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theblaze
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:16:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Fi Anaur
Then why are you insulting them in RL style ?
You should grab a night job cause your singing is the only pitfull thing i see/ear here.
And if you got the time to make that dreadfull song, why don¦t you go ingame and show some respect towards your alliance m8¦s and fight along side them in the frontlines ?
Just got to wash my ears from that screaming
lol?
It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
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Mace Ardguy
Dark Wheel
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:23:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Mace Ardguy on 14/11/2006 13:25:37
Originally by: Saleia
ASCN/AXE losses
20 Dreads(most were T1 fitted)
10 Carriers
1-2 Frieghters
BoB losses
1 Carrier
1 Frieghter
I didn't think AXE were in this war (yet)? They are supposed to be fighting AAA..?
... so the implication you seem to be trying to make here is that BoB fit stabs (faction stabs, named or plain old T1?) to their big ships to avoid the embarrassment of being nailed by a carebear alliance?
There's probably no shame in it - it's a "valid game mechanic"... like log-in traps, relogging your client as you jump, "clearing your cache", spies, and teamspeak plants.
Before this war came up, I couldn't care less who won - it's over 60 jumps away in a part of 0.0 I don't think I've ever been in. But now I do hope that someone, somehow, takes BOB down a peg or two ;)
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:57:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Fi Anaur
Originally by: Drakma
To all of you people that take this game too seriously
Linkage
In all "seriousness" this is a game guys... treat it as such
Then why are you insulting them in RL style ?
You should grab a night job cause your singing is the only pitfull thing i see/ear here.
And if you got the time to make that dreadfull song, why don¦t you go ingame and show some respect towards your alliance m8¦s and fight along side them in the frontlines ?
Just got to wash my ears from that screaming
I hereby dedicate that song to you....
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:19:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Xianthar
kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th.
these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too.
bob loses (bob = bob + slave corps)
Assault Frigates: 13
Battlecruisers: 1
Battleships: 43
Capsules: 40
Command Ships: 3
Covert Ops: 2
Cruisers: 8
Frigates: 5
Heavy Assaults: 13
Interceptors: 71
Interdictor: 11
Mining Barges: 1
Recon Ships: 12
Shuttles: 7
sha-k loses
Assault Friguates: 4
Battlecruisers: 2
Battleships: 23 (9 from TPAR and TCAG)
Capsules: 17
Command ships: 1
Cruisers: 3
Frigates: 1
Heavy Assaults: 2
Industrials: 1
Interceptors: 9
Recon ships: 2
Total Losses: 65
Total Kills: 230
as you can see we are killing nothing but "haulers/afk frigs etc etc" in delve
i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it!
there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland.
-xian
I'm glad you consider your operations successful, you have stated figures which, may be correct, wrong,"spun", whatever.. i wont argue them, as i believe that is pointless, if you believe them, that is sufficent for the discussion..
The questions i would raise, are these:
a) Did your operations directly stop or even slow our progress through the war? From our point of view, we found we actually have attained goals ahead of planning. How do you feel your operations related to this?
b) Would your presence along side your alliance mates during that time have helped turn fights in your favour? Would it have saved some of your fallen comrades?
I'm not in game atm, i dont know your corp size, i wont claim to know much about it all tbh.. what timezones your most active in etc etc.. Also i will happily admit killing the enemy is always better than not killing the enemy. The questions are more to find out what you feel you achieved doing your operations.
When you compare your stats, why not include all the POS's you could have helped save? Or all the alliance mates that died who you might have saved..
If you believe your presence wouldnt have made any different during the battles against BOB, that is a fair answer.. If you feel that there wasnt enough ASCN active to produce a fair fight, again prefectly fair reply.. ganking ops are well known to be easier forms of PVP, if you considered your corp needed a break from frontline duties more than other corps.. i guess your the only ppl in a position to judge that..
I am assuming ofc that HC, gave permission for your ops, so the real measure of their success if how much was lost by your alliance compared what you would have lost if you have remained on the frontlines. (ofc the only definitive result will come when the war comes to an end, as many stategies require sacrifices..) Some may believe the lose of the region is worth it, i guess that comes down largely to where you live, and what other stations you have been given access too.. Your corp i have largely seen around mp5, is this were you consider home? if you lose that station (and it is your home) will your ops still have been worth while?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:26:00 -
[205]
Originally by: thoth foc
a) Did your operations directly stop or even slow our progress through the war? From our point of view, we found we actually have attained goals ahead of planning. How do you feel your operations related to this?
You see, this is where your own tactics are biting you in the ass. For 6 weeks BoB didn't state any timetable or claims, except for an ultimatum for a few days which then took you 4 weeks to actually achieve what you threatened to do.
With all your massive epeen waving, noone is believing you that you planned for the 'real invasion' to start after 6 weeks.
Understandable, you were worried about how long it would take to make the first bit of progress. But now claiming it's all going according to plan, or even ahead of schedule is a joke.
Face it, you didn't set a timetable when this started, which makes you sound pretty pathetic with your claims about being 'ahead of schedule'.
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TURBOman
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:28:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: thoth foc
a) Did your operations directly stop or even slow our progress through the war? From our point of view, we found we actually have attained goals ahead of planning. How do you feel your operations related to this?
You see, this is where your own tactics are biting you in the ass. For 6 weeks BoB didn't state any timetable or claims, except for an ultimatum for a few days which then took you 4 weeks to actually achieve what you threatened to do.
With all your massive epeen waving, noone is believing you that you planned for the 'real invasion' to start after 6 weeks.
Understandable, you were worried about how long it would take to make the first bit of progress. But now claiming it's all going according to plan, or even ahead of schedule is a joke.
Face it, you didn't set a timetable when this started, which makes you sound pretty pathetic with your claims about being 'ahead of schedule'.
Do you actualy beleve that we're so bloat headed that we thought we can kill ascn in 3-4 weeks ? o.0
Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:36:00 -
[207]
Originally by: TURBOman
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: thoth foc
a) Did your operations directly stop or even slow our progress through the war? From our point of view, we found we actually have attained goals ahead of planning. How do you feel your operations related to this?
You see, this is where your own tactics are biting you in the ass. For 6 weeks BoB didn't state any timetable or claims, except for an ultimatum for a few days which then took you 4 weeks to actually achieve what you threatened to do.
With all your massive epeen waving, noone is believing you that you planned for the 'real invasion' to start after 6 weeks.
Understandable, you were worried about how long it would take to make the first bit of progress. But now claiming it's all going according to plan, or even ahead of schedule is a joke.
Face it, you didn't set a timetable when this started, which makes you sound pretty pathetic with your claims about being 'ahead of schedule'.
Do you actualy beleve that we're so bloat headed that we thought we can kill ascn in 3-4 weeks ? o.0
Don't tell me you really don't see how pathetic you sound claiming you're ahead of schedule when you refused to ever say anything about the schedule beforehand or even the goals of the operation?
And the ultimatum about GQ2 and the timeline presented there certainly suggest a far quicker campaign than you've been able to achieve so far. Despite all the flaws you see in ASCN, you're not moving very fast.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:46:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2006 14:46:16
We're not new to warfare, unlike most of the people devising your strategies it seems.
We know that taking down an organised and entrenched alliance in an age where conquest is alot harder then during for example the GNW will take months at best.
So that's what we plan for.
And yes, we're ahead of schedule since the resistance remains below the level anticipated.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:47:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
And the ultimatum about GQ2 and the timeline presented there certainly suggest a far quicker campaign than you've been able to achieve so far. Despite all the flaws you see in ASCN, you're not moving very fast.
Nope. Nope. And, erm, nope.
Our original plan called to come to paragon for two weeks, have a play around and some fights, then go home for a week and "swing the pendulum". After that we may or may not have come back to you. However, LYVOK and great and McGreedy the incompetent chose to throw every stick and piece of dirt at us they could find. You even decided to kick off the pos war with your fabled miscalculation in Period Basis.
We weren't even THINKING (note, not "planning") on taking outposts until christmas at the earliest, quite simply because we didn't think we'd have to force the fight like that until then - we honestly did think that you (ASCN) would have given us far more of a bang for our buck than you actually have. When this was further compounded with what can only be described as nothing but the whiniest rubbish coming out of the mouths of your supposed HC we decided we weren't going to go anywhere.
Your failure to even try and match us on the battlefield drew in the pos stage (a good six weeks before we wanted to consider it).
So you can claim that you're slowing us down, no one in BoB, not a single one of us who actually plans and implements this stuff, ever even dreamed you'd roll over like you have.
Ah well, next stop: AZN.
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Hast
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:47:00 -
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well, first off it wasnt a ultimatum, it was an offer to the people living there to get their belongings out before we started the siege. No where have we stated that we would take paragon in a week, thats something you guys made up.
Consider it more of a warning of the things to come.
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