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We're also going to change the way we operate in gangs and you'll see more EDF lead or EDF only gangs.

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Guys, I know a lot of you are annoyed at HC and FCs right now and I know a lot of you are annoyed with the way that Fleet Combat has gone but this next week is the time to put all that behind you and make a decision. Do you want to be a BoB slave or do you want to be in ASCN?

We cannot do this unless every last one of you gets involved and helps out, even if we have to take down the POS with BS. We can outblob BoB because we created a reputation on the blob and have always been the most successful at it. That's not to say my entire tactic for this war is "let's blob 'em", I'm just saying we all need to help. Every last one of us.

I hope you will all make the right choice and work with us all to show BoB just what this Alliance is capable of when it gets its **** together. So I'm asking you all, not as your HC, but as a fellow ASCN member who wants to live in this Region of space and has no wish to become a BoB slave.

Please help.

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Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson

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This offer does not apply to DICE, sorry guys

/Gil

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Originally by: Blacklight

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The offer does not extend to the following corporations:-

CLS
CLS-F
EDF
DS1

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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I see I'm missing out on quite a bit. Nice work so far.

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Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson

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Good luck with that :)

I will make the same offer to Bob, surrender within the next 7 days and we will let you leave for empire peacefully.

The offer is good for 7 days from now !

This offer does not apply to DICE, sorry guys

/Gil

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Originally by: Abriana Overlord

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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I see I'm missing out on quite a bit. Nice work so far.

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Come back to game Righteous we miss joo

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Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise

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Originally by: Blacklight

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The offer does not extend to the following corporations:-

CLS
CLS-F
EDF
DS1

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so you offer for everyone to leave apart from the corps which are constantly fighting 24-7.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: Abriana Overlord

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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I see I'm missing out on quite a bit. Nice work so far.

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Come back to game Righteous we miss joo

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Maybe I'll make a cameo appearance over Christmas break. ASCN could always make me an offer to come back and lead fleets for them, would be an interesting experience actually.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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.....Military Mastermind and Chess Grandmaster McCreedy.....

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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P.S. As you now know our Titan is not just an expensive paperweight.

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 12/11/2006 22:00:24
As far as Iam aware molle just warped his titan on top of a hostile fleet and set off the DD weapon killing 16 ships

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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As far as Iam aware molle just warped his titan on top of a hostile fleet and set off the DD weapon killing 16 ships

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Originally by: Zak Kingsman

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 12/11/2006 22:00:24
As far as Iam aware molle just warped his titan on top of a hostile fleet and set off the DD weapon killing 16 ships

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I want fraps, and screenshots with annotations.

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Originally by: Drakma

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Edited by: Drakma on 12/11/2006 21:57:37
Oooh, controversy; I like controversy... What exactly is controversial about CLS-F?

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Originally by: Kryztal

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Originally by: Drakma

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Edited by: Drakma on 12/11/2006 21:57:37
Oooh, controversy; I like controversy... What exactly is controversial about CLS-F?

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The link CLS-F has to Cyvok i would say

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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As far as Iam aware molle just warped his titan on top of a hostile fleet and set off the DD weapon killing 16 ships

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Originally by: Zak Kingsman

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 12/11/2006 22:00:24
As far as Iam aware molle just warped his titan on top of a hostile fleet and set off the DD weapon killing 16 ships

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I want fraps, and screenshots with annotations.

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Just fyi, it was frapsed, i don't know how good is it as I haven't seen it, but it exists.

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Originally by: ****uko

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This was always going to be very one sided really. ASCN just dont have even the slightest clue about military, and i would bargain BoB know more about industry than ASCN do anyway.

At least try and buy some good leadership CYVOK.

(Hint hint darko is available for fleet FC).

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Originally by: Havras

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It's been proven that a properly tanked Bs can withstand the Doomsday weapon.

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Originally by: Lowa

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Now that was what I was waiting for and I will again repeat
my post from above, now with capital letters: FRAPS OR STFU!
KB looked nice, hand over the moving pictures!

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Originally by: Joram McRory

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Sorry Blacklight I'm not sure I see the point of your offer?? For the sake of argument let's assume you win. Options would be:

1) Take your offer - go to empire

2) Decline your offer - fight for a while have some fun, go to empire

erm 2) looks a lot more attractive to me mate

And whoever said CLS/DS1/EDF are the only ones fighting - I refer you to the ASCN kill board where I think you will find IXC topping the list

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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Originally by: Havras

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Not much more impressive then BE ganking a bunch of ratting battleships though. It's been proven that a properly tanked Bs can withstand the Doomsday weapon.

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

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Originally by: BoB forum PR

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Toxic sludge is good for you.

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Originally by: Plim

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I thought this thread was called screwing the turnip for a moment, I was dissapointed

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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I would rather die standing up, then live life on my knees.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Plim

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I thought this thread was called screwing the turnip for a moment, I was dissapointed

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Keep your deviant sexual thoughts out of this thread please, this is serious.

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Originally by: BoB forum PR

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Toxic sludge is good for you.

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Originally by: Moghydin

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I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks.

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Any ASCN corporation approaching a BoB CEO to surrender during the next seven days will be allowed to leave the area peacefully and withdraw to empire.

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Originally by: Omega Man

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Originally by: Moghydin

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I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks.

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I heard its what a lot of them are doing.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)

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HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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FRAPS NOW!!!

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Havras

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Not much more impressive then BE ganking a bunch of ratting battleships though. It's been proven that a properly tanked Bs can withstand the Doomsday weapon.

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I don't see how you can compare "BE ganking a bunch of ratting BS" to Shrike jumping his Titan, solo, into an ASCN camp in what could be described as your "Capital System" (AZN).

Also, if you check our killboard mate, you'll find that a certain Sha Karn pilot in a megathron with t2 425mm (would suggest high SP), and a damage control didn't survive the DD blast.

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Originally by: The Speaker

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

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This is why, to the casual observer, you have to respect BoB's willingness to actually use their Avatar as opposed to ASCN's timidity. Anything else would be like rooting for Corporal Upham (the coward with no balls) in the movie Saving Private Ryan.

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Edited by: Blacklight on 12/11/2006 21:34:05

Another week and our assault on ASCN continues to march on slightly ahead of schedule.

Three Paragon Soul stations are in BoB hands, the others are cut off. We've killed another 9 large towers over the past two days alone and the the isk drain of maintaining a futile POS spamming strategy backed up with no military competence or adequate manpower continues for ASCN.

The rallying call within ASCN for a major operation to prevent BoB from taking the Paragon stations this weekend saw a surprisingly good turnout with a fleet of 70+ pilots including over 50 battleships moved into Paragon Soul. The subsequent utter annihilation of this fleet on Thursday was widely publicised (see this thread).

Either side of Thursday's slaughter ASCN's TS server has rarely seen more than 30-40 people in the same channel (usually a LOT less even at prime times), we struggle to find any meaningful ASCN forces to engage and confidence in their leadership's ability continues to wane. Individual corporations in ASCN are working more and more on their own rather than with the alliance as a whole as miss-trust and a lack of confidence spreads through the ranks, the fractiousness between members of some ASCN corporations and the alliance as a whole is increasing daily. I can quote ASCN High Council members telling their own corporations that they are going to work on their own more often, once again Mr McCreedy helps us out on this front..

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We're also going to change the way we operate in gangs and you'll see more EDF lead or EDF only gangs.

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Things are getting so bad that the normally detached from reality Military Mastermind and Chess Grandmaster McCreedy has even admitted to their membership that things are not looking good. There are signs of a change in the attitude and message from ASCN's answer to Gary Kasparov, moving from lies about their progress and chances of winning to desperate entreaties for assistance..

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Guys, I know a lot of you are annoyed at HC and FCs right now and I know a lot of you are annoyed with the way that Fleet Combat has gone but this next week is the time to put all that behind you and make a decision. Do you want to be a BoB slave or do you want to be in ASCN?

We cannot do this unless every last one of you gets involved and helps out, even if we have to take down the POS with BS. We can outblob BoB because we created a reputation on the blob and have always been the most successful at it. That's not to say my entire tactic for this war is "let's blob 'em", I'm just saying we all need to help. Every last one of us.

I hope you will all make the right choice and work with us all to show BoB just what this Alliance is capable of when it gets its **** together. So I'm asking you all, not as your HC, but as a fellow ASCN member who wants to live in this Region of space and has no wish to become a BoB slave.

Please help.

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At last the penny is dropping.

During the next few weeks we will continue to turn the screw and continue to take ASCN's space. We will also continue to foil all of their attempts to regain some sort of momentum, as we have consistently over the past month and a half.

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Originally by: Kharakan

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Originally by: Omega Man

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Originally by: Moghydin

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I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks.

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I heard its what a lot of them are doing.

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That was cheap ;)

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Originally by: ProphetGuru

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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I would rather die standing up, then live life on my knees.

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Then you shall have your wish.

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Originally by: Plim

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Plim

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I thought this thread was called screwing the turnip for a moment, I was dissapointed

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Keep your deviant sexual thoughts out of this thread please, this is serious.

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But no thread is complete without vegetable erotica

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Originally by: Beringe

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What I want to know is how fisho got ganked by the judgement doomsday weapon two days ago.

Weapons test?

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Things are getting so bad that the normally detached from reality Military Mastermind and Chess Grandmaster McCreedy has even admitted to their membership that things are not looking good. There are signs of a change in the attitude and message from ASCN's answer to Gary Kasparov, moving from lies about their progress and chances of winning to desperate entreaties for assistance..

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet. It jumped in alone, support fleet moved towards it as it was jumping, from 2 jumps out.

Fraps was made, will be showed. This event was minor, this offer is not.

WTB; New pants.

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Originally by: Sivona

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Things are getting so bad that the normally detached from reality Military Mastermind and Chess Grandmaster McCreedy has even admitted to their membership that things are not looking good. There are signs of a change in the attitude and message from ASCN's answer to Gary Kasparov, moving from lies about their progress and chances of winning to desperate entreaties for assistance..

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Does McCreedy actually play chess?

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Originally by: Celero Incendium

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Edited by: Celero Incendium on 13/11/2006 01:58:35
Grats on the first successful use of the BoB doomsday device. How many suicide cynos (quoting Shrike, gave me the impression that there were multiple suicides) were lost in the blast?

I am definitely interested in the FRAPS footage, since it's about as close to a DD blast as I'll ever get...

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Originally by: Shrike

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Titan was jumped into a hostile camp of 30-40 mixed ships with fighters, by deplying suicide cyno's to land the Titan on top of the fleet.

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: MIGHTYDWC

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With more respect, CCP and I will be discussing this

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: Blacklight

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The offer does not extend to the following corporations:-

CLS-F

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Originally by: CamMan

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Originally by: MIGHTYDWC

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With more respect, CCP and I will be discussing this

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props for you posting your killmail and all but just out of curiosity as lots of ASCN members continually state they have had lots of reimbursements, I was wondering if there any kill that ASCN doesnt petition?

how much lag is required for reimbursement? 1 sec? 2 secs? where do you ASCN pilots draw the line at petitioning for reimbursements?

This is not meant to be a flame, I am honestly curious, I am sure some BoB pilots must have filed petitions for reimbursement, but i have not personally heard of any petitions. But a lot of ASCN members continually spruk about how they were reimbursed.

do any of the ASCN members feel that lag effects both sides equally, thus not justifying petitions for reimbursement?

Cheers Cam

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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Originally by: Beringe

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What I want to know is how fisho got ganked by the judgement doomsday weapon two days ago.

Weapons test?

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That's why we don't talk back to Molle.

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Who ever said petitioning over lag? I sometimes wonder if people fail to read (or think) before they post.

ASCN doesn't petition any more then anybody else. The only petitions that get filed are from node crashes. I believe Mighty is talking about the fact the DD weapon hit him while he was in warp and over 3 au away (which would be out of its range).

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: CamMan

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Who ever said petitioning over lag? I sometimes wonder if people fail to read (or think) before they post.

ASCN doesn't petition any more then anybody else. The only petitions that get filed are from node crashes. I believe Mighty is talking about the fact the DD weapon hit him while he was in warp and over 3 au away (which would be out of its range).

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Having seen the actual footage of the titan weapon blast, and having seen several smaller ships warp out well after the doomsday weapon effect had gone off, I wonder if this could have been lag? I also sometimes wonder if people post without knowning all the facts.

Now without insulting anyone, in relation to petitioning with node crashes, how long after the node crash do you guys petition? can you regroup have a fleet fight and then petition those loses if it was just after a node crash? Again both sides suffer from a node crash, so what entitles a petition in that case?

I am not flaming, I am interested in what constitutes a petitionable, reimbursement.

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight

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Originally by: CamMan

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Having seen the actual footage of the titan weapon blast, and having seen several smaller ships warp out well after the doomsday weapon effect had gone off, I wonder if this could have been lag?

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I mean this with 100% absolute sincerity.

I wish my job allowed me to spend the same amount of time in-game that you guys do on the forums.

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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That's why we don't talk back to Molle.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I mean this with 100% absolute sincerity.

I wish my job allowed me to spend the same amount of time in-game that you guys do on the forums.

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Originally by: Riley Craven

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Both sides have made posts on this war, why cant people just leave it like that and be respectful?

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 13/11/2006 05:43:20

The Priory lecturing someone about being respectful?

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Originally by: Murukan

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 13/11/2006 05:43:20

The Priory lecturing someone about being respectful?

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If you can't see the irony in a BoB member asking ASCN people to be respectful on the forums then you're clearly:
A)an idiot
or
B)an idiot

Take your pick

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Originally by: Murukan

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 13/11/2006 05:43:20

The Priory lecturing someone about being respectful?

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If you can't see the irony in a BoB member asking ASCN people to be respectful on the forums then you're clearly:
A)an idiot
or
B)an idiot

Take your pick

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Point proven

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Originally by: Havras

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Not much more impressive then BE ganking a bunch of ratting battleships though. It's been proven that a properly tanked Bs can withstand the Doomsday weapon.

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I don't see how you can compare "BE ganking a bunch of ratting BS" to Shrike jumping his Titan, solo, into an ASCN camp in what could be described as your "Capital System" (AZN).

Also, if you check our killboard mate, you'll find that a certain Sha Karn pilot in a megathron with t2 425mm (would suggest high SP), and a damage control didn't survive the DD blast.

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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek

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Sooo..Chowdown. How would u like to have BOB as a neighbour. U'll have Red/Goons attacking u from the west and BOB attacking u from the east. Maybe its in ure best interest to give ure dear allies, ASCN, a helping hand one of these days?

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Originally by: Father Weebles

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Let's say BoB wipes ASCN off the map in the next month or 2. Would they be able to successfully hold ASCN's territory?

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Originally by: CamMan

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Who ever said petitioning over lag? I sometimes wonder if people fail to read (or think) before they post.

ASCN doesn't petition any more then anybody else. The only petitions that get filed are from node crashes. I believe Mighty is talking about the fact the DD weapon hit him while he was in warp and over 3 au away (which would be out of its range).

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Having seen the actual footage of the titan weapon blast, and having seen several smaller ships warp out well after the doomsday weapon effect had gone off, I wonder if this could have been lag? I also sometimes wonder if people post without knowning all the facts.

Now without insulting anyone, in relation to petitioning with node crashes, how long after the node crash do you guys petition? can you regroup have a fleet fight and then petition those loses if it was just after a node crash? Again both sides suffer from a node crash, so what entitles a petition in that case?

I am not flaming, I am interested in what constitutes a petitionable, reimbursement.

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Originally by: Murukan

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Edited by: Murukan on 13/11/2006 05:54:38

Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 13/11/2006 05:43:20

The Priory lecturing someone about being respectful?

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If you can't see the irony in a BoB member asking ASCN people to be respectful on the forums then you're clearly:
A)an idiot
or
B)an idiot

Take your pick

And tbh i could careless if they are respectful to each other. I just find it ironic that a BoB member would ask ASCN to keep it respectful when they have tried their hardest to smear ASCN's name everywhich way to sunday.

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Originally by: Murukan

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Edited by: Murukan on 13/11/2006 07:59:07
I'm not saying you guys are posting lies Rebellion. But you can't hardly believe that you guys post all the blogs and internal ASCN forum posts out of respect for their alliance. You know **** well that it's rather silly to ask ASCN to post in a respectful manner towards you guys, as you cannot say you are very respectful in the way you guys post about them.

I don't really care if you guys are respectful tbh, flame the hell out of each other like you have been. I just think it's rather ironic if one side tries to scold the other for not being respectful.

But i forgot this is BoB we're talking about. For everyone knows that BoB can do no wrong and are truely the lint of jesus' arse

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Disaster? I didn't see a disaster happen. I saw a disaster averted due to quick info passed from Shanzem to myself to the Dread gang.

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Originally by: Rebellion

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Edited by: Rebellion on 13/11/2006 08:03:33
Oh, ok, I understand where you're coming from then.

I just see a very distinct difference between something like:

"BoB lost 3 systems because their inept leadership made no concerted effort to form an organized defense of them and instead focused on making excuses."

and

"ASCN live in basements, are known to use exploits, are unproductive members of society because they have too much time to play EVE or post in forums compared to us who have careers."

I don't think the first is an attempt at smearing, it's factual criticism. The second is clearly an insult.

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But i forgot this is BoB we're talking about. For everyone knows that BoB can do no wrong and are truely the lint of jesus' arse

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I'm glad to see that we're beginning to understand each other.

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Originally by: Murukan

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I'm not saying you guys are posting lies Rebellion. But you can't hardly believe that you guys post all the blogs and internal ASCN forum posts out of respect for their alliance. You know **** well that it's rather silly to ask ASCN to post in a respectful manner towards you guys, as you cannot say you are very respectful in the way you guys post about them.

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Originally by: Durvaul

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CYVOK is on like maybe twice a week, (he's in my address book) so... No leader... No Alliance - ASCN will die

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Originally by: Durvaul

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Personaly i have no clue.

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Originally by: CamMan

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how much lag is required for reimbursement? 1 sec? 2 secs? where do you ASCN pilots draw the line at petitioning for reimbursements?

Cheers Cam

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Originally by: SirMolle

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ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.

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Originally by: Riley Craven

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I really would like to know how you come to this statement as a fact.

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Fact: Both sides have their forum warriors that spend alot amount of time in this particular forum.

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Fact: Both sides are in game losing ships and fighting for their ideals.

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Fact: The Bob leadership has not spent their time posting on these forums every single day a new thread about how the war was going.

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I mean seriously, where does anyone get off making a statement such as this.

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Its not like the war hasnt progressed. You've practically lost an entire region not to mention a crap load of ships and people STILL need to say "take it in game"!

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How much more do you need to loose to stop making such statments?

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Both sides have made posts on this war, why cant people just leave it like that and be respectful?

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Originally by: Fred0

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Edited by: Fred0 on 13/11/2006 09:33:41
Wow, seems ASCN are almost folding. Either BOB has taken another step up on the war and efficiency ladder or ASCN sucks when it comes to proper invasion. A 70man fleet is very very thin :(

Anyways, hats off to BOB for doing this :)

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/11/2006 10:02:13

Originally by: Fred0

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Edited by: Fred0 on 13/11/2006 09:33:41
Wow, seems ASCN are almost folding. Either BOB has taken another step up on the war and efficiency ladder or ASCN sucks when it comes to proper invasion. A 70man fleet is very very thin :(

Anyways, hats off to BOB for doing this :)

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Added Dice giving us another edge, our wartime industrial capabilities are ridiculous, our logistics are better than ever.

ASCN have no real pvp ability as an alliance, can't form gangs of more than 10 daily but more importantly than anything...

When ASCN stop to catch their breath, they lose another system... and they are stopping to catch their breath more and more whereas we are ever present with firm goals and objectives for our pilots.

So really, it's a bit of both.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Hi Fitz,

Perhaps you missed the point I was making.

ASCN do not have constant gangs in any form around 23/7. You may rustle a gang together for an hour or two but don't even begin to pretend to the Eve public that you have any sort of constant prescence currently in this war on a daily basis.

Yes, you can put together gangs on occasions. Congratulations.

And as a sidenote Fitz, incase you were wondering, go ask Eddz of KIA or Woody of CE exactly what you will achieve by roaming our regions ganking the industrialists living there while your sheep die and lose their outposts in your home region.

dbp

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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I lost a Scorp after fleet jumped in TCAG, and node crashed. I petitioned it immediately.

Basically, we jumped, everything went boom (EVE client, I mean :), I cleared cache, tried to login back. Couldn't login back for 7-8 minutes (was trying repeatedly), was always stuck at "ENTERING GAME" screen (with LOTS of green/red icons on the right-hand side :), and wallet was ok - no insurance payout. After 7-8 minutes, wallet (on character selection screen) went up, and I was suddenly able to login very fast back into the game. Was in a pod, sitting at completely random location (not at gate where I guess I died, or where we jumped though). Petitioned it while I was trying to login (as "stuck" type of petition), and provided screenshots of failed login attempts (stuck at "ENTERING GAME" screen). That was the only petition I ever did.

I didn't really think they'd even answer, but 2-3 days later I was reimbursed.

Don't mind dying, I'd just like to see it when it happens :)

I lost a Scorp during suicide attack on dreads in GQ2, lag was absolutelly horribly super turbo incredible (even after following all the fleet-battle-tweaking-guides :), but no point in petitioning it. I couldn't deactivate active mods, nor activate deactivated mods - nor could warp, move or anything else. But I saw Sabre cross 100+km, come to me and drop the bubble on me - without being able to do anything :) Oh well, bad luck, I'm sure I was not the only one lagged. I could move in pod after dying, though, although that **** dictor bubble is REALLY big when you're trying to get out of it, in a pod

I don't think anyone petitions because of the lag, tbh.

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: Helen

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Edited by: Helen on 13/11/2006 09:45:42

Originally by: Durvaul

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CYVOK is on like maybe twice a week, (he's in my address book) so... No leader... No Alliance - ASCN will die

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Originally by: Durvaul

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Personaly i have no clue.

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Just because CYVOK the avatar doesn't log on doesn't mean CYVOK isn't online.
Think you summed it up with the you have no clue part.

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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There can only be one Fitz

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better.

We improve slowly

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Originally by: Audrea

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better.

We improve slowly

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Well you already lost 3 stations in month and a half.
Just hope you wont loose them all before you finish your long 'learning curve'

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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There can only be one Fitz

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Can I have your stuff then?

I know roaming Delve/PB is, generally speaking, a waste of time in the greater scheme of things, but its also a lot more fun than POS hugging and fleet combat (from our perspective at least) and last time I looked it was a game played for fun so we need to give people a bit of R&R and to bed some new guys into the corp.

In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better.

We improve slowly, you get more of a challenge (which is what I understand you are after), people get some positive feeling back and see that BoB ships die just like everyone elses, so from that perspective its worth doing.

Cya in space.

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/11/2006 10:02:13

Originally by: Fred0

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Edited by: Fred0 on 13/11/2006 09:33:41
Wow, seems ASCN are almost folding. Either BOB has taken another step up on the war and efficiency ladder or ASCN sucks when it comes to proper invasion. A 70man fleet is very very thin :(

Anyways, hats off to BOB for doing this :)

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Added Dice giving us another edge, our wartime industrial capabilities are ridiculous, our logistics are better than ever.

ASCN have no real pvp ability as an alliance, can't form gangs of more than 10 daily but more importantly than anything...

When ASCN stop to catch their breath, they lose another system... and they are stopping to catch their breath more and more whereas we are ever present with firm goals and objectives for our pilots.

So really, it's a bit of both.

dbp

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What are you talking about? We had a 23 man gang on Friday night for some R&R that was just my corp.

Saturday night we had a 32 man gang that was just us and TSYND and a couple of others roaming about and had a great fight with BSC and then killed a few BoBlets.

Are you sure you have not accidentally logged onto the test server?

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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And what do you call the "Ctrl-Q" tactic in OYO then? A 32 man log off is nothing to brag about...

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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And what do you call the "Ctrl-Q" tactic in OYO then? A 32 man log off is nothing to brag about...

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Digging in my memory about last saturday....

OYO is next to E2 right?

All I remember is relogging to clear cache at some point, not sure if we all did it, and if I have the sequence of events right, after that we jumped into E2 and ripped a gatecamp up from some BoB slavecorps. We lost 3 ships and destroyed a Muninn and I think a BS and some small ships.

You do know that logging out as a group to clear cache doesn't really fall under any kind of 'lame' gameplay category.

I can understand why you're bringing this up though, the first time I noticed it when BoB was in TRO or X-7 getting ready to jump into AZN a few months ago. My first thought was 'WTF are they doing now', until they all logged back in 30 seconds later and proceeded to jump in a few minutes later. Took us (well, me at least) a bit of time to find out why they were doing that.

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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And what do you call the "Ctrl-Q" tactic in OYO then? A 32 man log off is nothing to brag about...

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Digging in my memory about last saturday....

OYO is next to E2 right?

All I remember is relogging to clear cache at some point, not sure if we all did it, and if I have the sequence of events right, after that we jumped into E2 and ripped a gatecamp up from some BoB slavecorps. We lost 3 ships and destroyed a Muninn and I think a BS and some small ships.

You do know that logging out as a group to clear cache doesn't really fall under any kind of 'lame' gameplay category.

I can understand why you're bringing this up though, the first time I noticed it when BoB was in TRO or X-7 getting ready to jump into AZN a few months ago. My first thought was 'WTF are they doing now', until they all logged back in 30 seconds later and proceeded to jump in a few minutes later. Took us (well, me at least) a bit of time to find out why they were doing that.

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I remember that, we caught up to you, you guys agressed someone else there but nt all did, most fled back through gate, you lost a few bs. We pursued but u safe spotted and all, ahem, cleared your cache while one scout reemained in system with us for 10-15 mins. Long time to clear it dnt you think?

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Originally by: CamMan

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Originally by: MIGHTYDWC

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With more respect, CCP and I will be discussing this

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props for you posting your killmail and all but just out of curiosity as lots of ASCN members continually state they have had lots of reimbursements, I was wondering if there any kill that ASCN doesnt petition?

how much lag is required for reimbursement? 1 sec? 2 secs? where do you ASCN pilots draw the line at petitioning for reimbursements?

This is not meant to be a flame, I am honestly curious, I am sure some BoB pilots must have filed petitions for reimbursement, but i have not personally heard of any petitions. But a lot of ASCN members continually spruk about how they were reimbursed.

do any of the ASCN members feel that lag effects both sides equally, thus not justifying petitions for reimbursement?

Cheers Cam

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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And what do you call the "Ctrl-Q" tactic in OYO then? A 32 man log off is nothing to brag about...

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Digging in my memory about last saturday....

OYO is next to E2 right?

All I remember is relogging to clear cache at some point, not sure if we all did it, and if I have the sequence of events right, after that we jumped into E2 and ripped a gatecamp up from some BoB slavecorps. We lost 3 ships and destroyed a Muninn and I think a BS and some small ships.

You do know that logging out as a group to clear cache doesn't really fall under any kind of 'lame' gameplay category.

I can understand why you're bringing this up though, the first time I noticed it when BoB was in TRO or X-7 getting ready to jump into AZN a few months ago. My first thought was 'WTF are they doing now', until they all logged back in 30 seconds later and proceeded to jump in a few minutes later. Took us (well, me at least) a bit of time to find out why they were doing that.

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I remember that, we caught up to you, you guys agressed someone else there but nt all did, most fled back through gate, you lost a few bs. We pursued but u safe spotted and all, ahem, cleared your cache while one scout reemained in system with us for 10-15 mins. Long time to clear it dnt you think?

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That must have been a different encounter.

Our gang didn't have any BS, in fact I think my Huginn was about the biggest/most expensive ship out there. And we certainly didn't see a big BoB fleet around that area.

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Crispy Jello

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And what do you call the "Ctrl-Q" tactic in OYO then? A 32 man log off is nothing to brag about...

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Digging in my memory about last saturday....

OYO is next to E2 right?

All I remember is relogging to clear cache at some point, not sure if we all did it, and if I have the sequence of events right, after that we jumped into E2 and ripped a gatecamp up from some BoB slavecorps. We lost 3 ships and destroyed a Muninn and I think a BS and some small ships.

You do know that logging out as a group to clear cache doesn't really fall under any kind of 'lame' gameplay category.

I can understand why you're bringing this up though, the first time I noticed it when BoB was in TRO or X-7 getting ready to jump into AZN a few months ago. My first thought was 'WTF are they doing now', until they all logged back in 30 seconds later and proceeded to jump in a few minutes later. Took us (well, me at least) a bit of time to find out why they were doing that.

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I remember that, we caught up to you, you guys agressed someone else there but nt all did, most fled back through gate, you lost a few bs. We pursued but u safe spotted and all, ahem, cleared your cache while one scout reemained in system with us for 10-15 mins. Long time to clear it dnt you think?

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That must have been a different encounter.

Our gang didn't have any BS, in fact I think my Huginn was about the biggest/most expensive ship out there. And we certainly didn't see a big BoB fleet around that area.

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Yes it was..the big log off was on Sunday...the weekend was a blur...

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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There can only be one Fitz

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Can I have your stuff then?

I know roaming Delve/PB is, generally speaking, a waste of time in the greater scheme of things, but its also a lot more fun than POS hugging and fleet combat (from our perspective at least) and last time I looked it was a game played for fun so we need to give people a bit of R&R and to bed some new guys into the corp.

In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better.

We improve slowly, you get more of a challenge (which is what I understand you are after), people get some positive feeling back and see that BoB ships die just like everyone elses, so from that perspective its worth doing.

Cya in space.

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Originally by: Lexor SLice

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i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO.

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Originally by: Lorth

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Exactly, its a game, there is no reason you shouldn't try hard.

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Originally by: Hawkings SJ

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I'm confused, I thought the analogies for this war were clock based? You know, like the pendulum in a clock?

Or was it more like the pendulum in some sort of medivial house of horrors type of thing?

Is the war with ASCN like a clock ("going like clockwork", etc) or like a medivial house of horrors ("torture to watch", etc).

Help!

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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If you're going to post something I've said on internal forums, why not show it all? Or are you afraid that you'll be unnable to spin it in a negative light if you Eve actually reads what was said in its entirity? Of course, what you'll probably do now is post an alterd version of what I said and spin that some more.

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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If you're going to post something I've said on internal forums, why not show it all? Or are you afraid that you'll be unnable to spin it in a negative light if you Eve actually reads what was said in its entirity? Of course, what you'll probably do now is post an alterd version of what I said and spin that some more.

For those of you not associated with BoB, what I actually said was that whilst it was a heavy loss and whilst we made some silly mistakes, considering we could of lost 7 Dreads rather than 3, it wasn't as big a disaster as the original poster was making out. That's what's commonly refered to as finding a silver lining in a cloud and by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good.

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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If you're going to post something I've said on internal forums, why not show it all? Or are you afraid that you'll be unnable to spin it in a negative light if you Eve actually reads what was said in its entirity? Of course, what you'll probably do now is post an alterd version of what I said and spin that some more.

For those of you not associated with BoB, what I actually said was that whilst it was a heavy loss and whilst we made some silly mistakes, considering we could of lost 7 Dreads rather than 3, it wasn't as big a disaster as the original poster was making out. That's what's commonly refered to as finding a silver lining in a cloud and by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good.

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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... by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads ...

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Either side of Thursday's slaughter ASCN's TS server has rarely seen more than 30-40 people in the same channel

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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...and by anyone's standards, only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good.

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Originally by: Marine03112

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I have missed most of this war due to military obilgations but i cant wait to come back WOOT!.

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Originally by: Dark Horseman

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Re: Demand ASCN Members Surrender

"Nuts!"
-General Anthony C. McAuliffe (July 2, 1898 - August 11, 1975)

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Originally by: Eridu Fallen

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Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.

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Originally by: Hast

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Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship.

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Originally by: Malius

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Originally by: Hast

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Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship.

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Speaking of that, how come when you guys lose a capital ship (like you did yesterday) its not in red? I know its pretty insignificant but its probably better to make it equal on both sides since you like to chest thump about your board being so accurate all the time.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: Malius

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Originally by: Hast

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Also, by roaming your space today, it seems that most of it is pretty empty. Except for a few foolish enough to npc in a capital ship.

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Speaking of that, how come when you guys lose a capital ship (like you did yesterday) its not in red? I know its pretty insignificant but its probably better to make it equal on both sides since you like to chest thump about your board being so accurate all the time.

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It's only capital ships on the front page that are red. If you click anywhere else in the killboard, enemy capital ships are not in red.

It's nothing more than simplicity.

dbp

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Originally by: s4mp3r0r

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"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".

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Originally by: John McCreedy

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....only loosing 3 out of 7 Dreads considering their entire fleet jumped in on top of us is pretty good.

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Originally by: Lexor SLice

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exactly, nobody is saying you CANT roam delve/PB, and your more then welcome to do so if it enriches your gaming experience, but its not going to win the war, in fact, its more likely to hurt you in the long run.

if you think about it, (apoliges if this sound flaming in advance) that 10-13 people you have roaming delve ganking haulers/afk frigs etc etc, if you were in h8-, azn, gq2, etc etc, the people already there+ you might be enough to do long range support sniping, or ANYTHING really to get you into a fight.

i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO.

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Corp V. Alliance (+ anyone it has blue stats)

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Originally by: Lexor SLice

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exactly, nobody is saying you CANT roam delve/PB, and your more then welcome to do so if it enriches your gaming experience, but its not going to win the war, in fact, its more likely to hurt you in the long run.

if you think about it, (apoliges if this sound flaming in advance) that 10-13 people you have roaming delve ganking haulers/afk frigs etc etc, if you were in h8-, azn, gq2, etc etc, the people already there+ you might be enough to do long range support sniping, or ANYTHING really to get you into a fight.

i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO.

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kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th.

these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too.

bob loses (bob = bob + slave corps)

Assault Frigates: 13
Battlecruisers: 1
Battleships: 43
Capsules: 40
Command Ships: 3
Covert Ops: 2
Cruisers: 8
Frigates: 5
Heavy Assaults: 13
Interceptors: 71
Interdictor: 11
Mining Barges: 1
Recon Ships: 12
Shuttles: 7

sha-k loses

Assault Friguates: 4
Battlecruisers: 2
Battleships: 23 (9 from TPAR and TCAG)
Capsules: 17
Command ships: 1
Cruisers: 3
Frigates: 1
Heavy Assaults: 2
Industrials: 1
Interceptors: 9
Recon ships: 2

Total Losses: 65
Total Kills: 230

as you can see we are killing nothing but "haulers/afk frigs etc etc" in delve

i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it!

there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland.

-xian

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Corp V. Alliance (+ anyone it has blue stats)

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Posting individual corp stats Vs. alliance is a joke, theyre phony skewered stats and we've already been through this with EDF.

Combine that with the fact that you have to include your random kills on anyone who happens to be blue to us to make it look impressive to the few people who dont understand that corp vs. alliance stats are meaningless.

The only thing you've shown is you feel the need to distance youself from your alliance's performance to feel better about yourself.


Your really, really reaching here.

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Originally by: Moghydin

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I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks.

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Originally by: Xianthar

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whats the problem?

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Xianthar

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whats the problem?

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Looks to me like the problem is your alliance could only field a 35 man gang to defend your pos a few hours ago, while your quoting corp vs. alliance stats from regions away.

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Originally by: Xianthar

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kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th.

these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too.

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some rabble of stats by Xianthar

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there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland.

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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There can only be one Fitz

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Can I have your stuff then?

I know roaming Delve/PB is, generally speaking, a waste of time in the greater scheme of things, but its also a lot more fun than POS hugging and fleet combat (from our perspective at least) and last time I looked it was a game played for fun so we need to give people a bit of R&R and to bed some new guys into the corp.

In any event, all PVP experience is valuable and many people joining us or other ASCN corps have very little and so asking them to do the simple things like align, or tackle or set targets or pick targets is not as easy for us as it is for you guys and so if we can get them some experience in a safe learning environment like delve (j/k) and pick up some nice kills along the way then so much the better.

We improve slowly, you get more of a challenge (which is what I understand you are after), people get some positive feeling back and see that BoB ships die just like everyone elses, so from that perspective its worth doing.

Cya in space.

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Originally by: Lexor SLice

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there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland.

-xian

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1) its not hard to hide in npc stations and gank
2) delve has always been a barren wasteland
3) as has been mentioned your stats are skewed and silly

hey ma i posted in a bob thread

Originally by: Xianthar

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stab on a carrier.....why?

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Xianthar

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whats the problem?

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Looks to me like the problem is your alliance could only field a 35 man gang to defend your pos a few hours ago, while your quoting corp vs. alliance stats from regions away.

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high five on the quick change of subject.

-xian

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Originally by: Xianthar

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Twisted Stats

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Both sides have made posts on this war, why cant people just leave it like that and be respectful?

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That being said, if you're looking for ASCN to be more respectful, you need to start with yourselves first.

Most every post made by a BoB member nowadays is meant as a morale-jab, and as such it intrinsically becomes a post created to spread negativity.

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