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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: slip66
Originally by: Moghydin I will fight even if I'll have to undock in a n00b ship. I'm sure that that is the way the whole alliance thinks.
silly rabbit outpost are for big boys....
You talk about big boys, but strangely enough you fail to construct even a one-liner without some childish smack attempt
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
You see, this is where your own tactics are biting you in the ass. For 6 weeks BoB didn't state any timetable or claims, except for an ultimatum for a few days which then took you 4 weeks to actually achieve what you threatened to do.
With all your massive epeen waving, noone is believing you that you planned for the 'real invasion' to start after 6 weeks.
Understandable, you were worried about how long it would take to make the first bit of progress. But now claiming it's all going according to plan, or even ahead of schedule is a joke.
Face it, you didn't set a timetable when this started, which makes you sound pretty pathetic with your claims about being 'ahead of schedule'.
I understand you arent aware of BOBs exact timetable , i wasnt expecting an exact "We delayed you 3 days on this ops and 4 days on this ops". An opinion of how their operations effected the war on a bigger scale was all i asked for.
So thanks but i still consider my ass unbitten..
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:54:00 -
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Again, if you'd had the balls to announce a timetable beforehand, you'd have room to brag about being ahead of schedule.
Now its all just empty posturing, but I guess we're used to that by now. Just make sure you don't get some repetitive strain injury from all that epeen stroking boys.
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Vathar
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco And the ultimatum about GQ2 and the timeline presented there certainly suggest a far quicker campaign than you've been able to achieve so far. Despite all the flaws you see in ASCN, you're not moving very fast.
Oh, and by this logic, since Blacklight's ultimatum expires the 29th of November, you expect us to crush ASCN the 30th?
Maybe that's gonna raise your morale, but we're not THAT good! If nothing else, the big time consumer here is a nice ASCN industrialist called "strontium" ...
Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:59:00 -
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Ok, unprovable expanations aside (you're not going to believe us when we explain our expectations I'd say).
Knowing what you know of BoB now, seeing how organised we are and what resources we seem to have at our disposal when we need them. Would you expect our alliance to assume such a difference in strength between us and you (knowing ASCN's reputation for having enormous reserves and large stocks of POS's as well as an impressive capital fleet, not to mention your member count), that we would seriously think we could take GQ2, H8- and 3PPT systems from you in such short order as we have ?
And if we wouldn't expect to be able to do that, would we plan on succeeding at it anyway ?
It's all fairly logical. ASCN was supposed to have enormous numbers, huge reserves and impressive logistics in a very entrenched space full of capitals waiting to bash your dreads and fleets.
The uinexpected part is that nothing of that has materialised. So of course we are ahead of schedule ffs.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Now its all just empty posturing, but I guess we're used to that by now. Just make sure you don't get some repetitive strain injury from all that epeen stroking boys.
How is asking my "enemies" opinion empty posturing? It is wrong to try and understand my opponent better? I simply asked for some more context for his post..
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Riddlock
Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You see, this is where your own tactics are biting you in the ass. For 6 weeks BoB didn't state any timetable or claims, except for an ultimatum for a few days which then took you 4 weeks to actually achieve what you threatened to do.
With all your massive epeen waving, noone is believing you that you planned for the 'real invasion' to start after 6 weeks.
Understandable, you were worried about how long it would take to make the first bit of progress. But now claiming it's all going according to plan, or even ahead of schedule is a joke.
Face it, you didn't set a timetable when this started, which makes you sound pretty pathetic with your claims about being 'ahead of schedule'.
I understand you arent aware of BOBs exact timetable , i wasnt expecting an exact "We delayed you 3 days on this ops and 4 days on this ops". An opinion of how their operations effected the war on a bigger scale was all i asked for.
So thanks but i still consider my ass unbitten..
Mr bob lite , our miserable corp make you move over 20-30 bobs to anihilate us twice from the front line wich in that time was tcag / tpar. Wich considering your numbers was an achievement from my point of view. After a short time we where recalled to hug the pos'es and this fun trip ended. I know noone in eve would be even closer to your uberness so dont bother replying to this , i know already whos the best allaince and who have the best players " insert chest beating here " .
Have fun and see ya in space
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Slender Brenda
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Slender Brenda on 14/11/2006 15:19:41 Edited by: Slender Brenda on 14/11/2006 15:18:57
Originally by: Riddlock
Mr bob lite , our miserable corp make you move over 20-30 bobs to anihilate us twice from the front line wich in that time was tcag / tpar. Wich considering your numbers was an achievement from my point of view. After a short time we where recalled to hug the pos'es and this fun trip ended. I know noone in eve would be even closer to your uberness so dont bother replying to this , i know already whos the best allaince and who have the best players " insert chest beating here " .
Have fun and see ya in space
Mr. Burn Eden Lite is not informed about alt army of bob. Nobody ever moved to delve. You got spanked in delve by alts and straight after in paragon/period. Oh ... and and i really hope i'll have the pleasure of more encounters with you soon as you drop much better stuff than reguar ascn.
Oh and I'm proud member of BoB alt army.
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Ascend Alt
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine The uinexpected part is that nothing of that has materialised. So of course we are ahead of schedule ffs.
You have alts at all levels of ASCN from directors upwards and downwards. You have access to most if not all ASCN corps forums.
You are perfectly aware of ASCNs reserves, position, failing, strengths and I doubt that there is anything in the slightest bit unexpected about any of this.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Riddlock
Mr bob lite , our miserable corp make you move over 20-30 bobs to anihilate us twice from the front line wich in that time was tcag / tpar. Wich considering your numbers was an achievement from my point of view. After a short time we where recalled to hug the pos'es and this fun trip ended.
We regularly leave the front line, either for logistics or roaming into your claimed regions. Surely for these particular instants of us being drawn away, you would have had to achieve a goal on the front line to consider them a success?
Do you feel you were recalled too soon to achieve more decisive victories?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:25:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Ascend Alt
Originally by: Rod Blaine The uinexpected part is that nothing of that has materialised. So of course we are ahead of schedule ffs.
You have alts at all levels of ASCN from directors upwards and downwards. You have access to most if not all ASCN corps forums.
You are perfectly aware of ASCNs reserves, position, failing, strengths and I doubt that there is anything in the slightest bit unexpected about any of this.
You know what.. I think your real name is BoB Alt, not Ascend Alt. You have a knack for shedding your alliance in the worst possible light whenever you post.
If ASCN is so riddled with BoB spies then you are finished. If BoB know ASCN's every move before it happens then this war is already over... and BoB are just going through the motions.
I mean.. who's side are you on?
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Riddlock
Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:31:00 -
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sounds fun to have alts like valora maria stallon and tholarim , but well what do i know again
And mr pa defender err bob defender ... i took a close look to the kboards and surprise , i guess you dropped me more good loot the i did in return :) .
PS : i didnt know that coming to defend your home sistems is a shame :(
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:46:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Slender Brenda Edited by: Slender Brenda on 14/11/2006 15:19:41 Edited by: Slender Brenda on 14/11/2006 15:18:57
Originally by: Riddlock
Mr bob lite , our miserable corp make you move over 20-30 bobs to anihilate us twice from the front line wich in that time was tcag / tpar. Wich considering your numbers was an achievement from my point of view. After a short time we where recalled to hug the pos'es and this fun trip ended. I know noone in eve would be even closer to your uberness so dont bother replying to this , i know already whos the best allaince and who have the best players " insert chest beating here " .
Have fun and see ya in space
Mr. Burn Eden Lite is not informed about alt army of bob. Nobody ever moved to delve. You got spanked in delve by alts and straight after in paragon/period. Oh ... and and i really hope i'll have the pleasure of more encounters with you soon as you drop much better stuff than reguar ascn.
Oh and I'm proud member of BoB alt army.
Slender Brenda.....name rings a bell
LUKEC, isn't this your alt that you use to break 1v1 duels that don't go your way?
I wouldn't draw too much attention to your use of alts if I were you
Of course unless I am mistaking two people here, but I'm pretty sure I'm not (though not 100% sure I admit).
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:00:00 -
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Its true however, we've got enough characters holed up in Delve with enough logistical and capital support to do the same we're doing in Paragon Soul.
I dearly hope you weren't counting on being able to like, you know, try and use those dreads you supposedly have, thinking we're not around, to maybe take stations in Delve or kill some towers that we'd actually miss ?
The truth of the matter is that we don't care too much about your presence in Delve as long as it remains limited to some gank squads. We don't need to rely on mining or npcing in Delve for our income, and the moment you bring out the dreads there you might think there's another logintrap going on when it's just us switching accounts. Or maybe we wouldn't even do that and just let you take them for a day or two, since it would hardly affect the long term outcome.
If you don't see how that and all your other strategies so far are simply an exchange of short term gain (of morale) for long term loss (of the war), then well, things are looking rather grimm.
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Riddlock sounds fun to have alts like valora maria stallon and tholarim , but well what do i know again
And mr pa defender err bob defender ... i took a close look to the kboards and surprise , i guess you dropped me more good loot the i did in return :) .
PS : i didnt know that coming to defend your home sistems is a shame :(
You sound bitter. Sux to be a pvper trapped in a carebear alliance doestn't it I can feel your pain, I really do PA(2004-2006) ASCN(2005- )
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Jaleera Kaisin
Amarr Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Your failure to even try and match us on the battlefield drew in the pos stage (a good six weeks before we wanted to consider it).
So you can claim that you're slowing us down, no one in BoB, not a single one of us who actually plans and implements this stuff, ever even dreamed you'd roll over like you have.
Ah well, next stop: AZN.
vs (from RKK PUBLIC forums)
Dianabolic 14 October 2006 "The figures don't really tell the whole story, this was a weekend of regular node deaths with teh victor on the battlefield often determined by who logged on first"
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Dianabolic 09 Nov 2006 "kudos to ascn for bringing it, you have brought it more than any other entity I've fought in my tenure as a BoB pilot."
forum wars eh
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Slender Brenda
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slender Brenda on 14/11/2006 16:16:47 stupid forum.
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Bonafyde
The Legion.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:10:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Lexor SLice
exactly, nobody is saying you CANT roam delve/PB, and your more then welcome to do so if it enriches your gaming experience, but its not going to win the war, in fact, its more likely to hurt you in the long run.
if you think about it, (apoliges if this sound flaming in advance) that 10-13 people you have roaming delve ganking haulers/afk frigs etc etc, if you were in h8-, azn, gq2, etc etc, the people already there+ you might be enough to do long range support sniping, or ANYTHING really to get you into a fight.
i hear lots of ascn say that this is just a game etc etc, however, be it a game or not, dont you want to win? that doesnt mean you need to play 12 hours a day and have 4 alts, but making the most strategic use of your game time is wise IMO.
kills by sha-k gangs when we were operating almost exclusively in delve from october 1st to october 20th.
these are ship kills not participations by sha-k gangs. obviously some of the kills involve other ascn corps that were in our gangs too.
bob loses (bob = bob + slave corps)
Assault Frigates: 13 Battlecruisers: 1 Battleships: 43 Capsules: 40 Command Ships: 3 Covert Ops: 2 Cruisers: 8 Frigates: 5 Heavy Assaults: 13 Interceptors: 71 Interdictor: 11 Mining Barges: 1 Recon Ships: 12 Shuttles: 7
sha-k loses
Assault Friguates: 4 Battlecruisers: 2 Battleships: 23 (9 from TPAR and TCAG) Capsules: 17 Command ships: 1 Cruisers: 3 Frigates: 1 Heavy Assaults: 2 Industrials: 1 Interceptors: 9 Recon ships: 2
Total Losses: 65 Total Kills: 230
as you can see we are killing nothing but "haulers/afk frigs etc etc" in delve
i suppose the bob carrier that was killed last night in k-6 counts as an afk hauler too (btw, why was there a stab on it???) props to omni for catching it!
there are plenty of other corps in ascn that have stuck it too delve also, so much so that delve has become a barren wasteland.
-xian
You know, if it wasn't for that fact that only 1 out of every 4 ASCN I have killed, helped kill, or seen killed actually post their losses, I may be a little impressed by your corp vs. alliance ratios there.
Oh also, well played sitting around waiting for the non BoB ratter gank while you continue to lose home territory, there is no way they will ever match your tactical genius, this war is as good as won!
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jaleera Kaisin vs (from RKK PUBLIC forums)
Dianabolic 14 October 2006 "The figures don't really tell the whole story, this was a weekend of regular node deaths with teh victor on the battlefield often determined by who logged on first"
and
Dianabolic 09 Nov 2006 "kudos to ascn for bringing it, you have brought it more than any other entity I've fought in my tenure as a BoB pilot."
forum wars eh
It's not saying much, is it?
One post is a month ago, when you failed in tpar / tcag. We haven't failed, there's no reason you should have done - other than incompetence.
And you have brought it - far more than anyone else. I dunno whether that says more about you, or them, tbh.
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Slender Brenda
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
I ctrl+q freighter from certain death, had FC double check that it was logged off safe and then I moralize on forums.
Here, just for you. I hope now we can go back discussing other things.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:28:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Slender Brenda
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I ctrl+q freighter from certain death, had FC double check that it was logged off safe and then I moralize on forums.
Here, just for you. I hope now we can go back discussing other things.
Hahaha, brilliant. You are indeed a master of debate. When out of a counter, you make up some fake quote from me and pretend you've won. Awesome.
I guess that means you admit to using alts to break your own 1v1s.
As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap. 3. In that very same thread BoB had to admit they had used the same logoff to save a freighter of theirs. 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, brilliant. You are indeed a master of debate. When out of a counter, you make up some fake quote from me and pretend you've won. Awesome.
I guess that means you admit to using alts to break your own 1v1s.
As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap. 3. In that very same thread BoB had to admit they had used the same logoff to save a freighter of theirs. 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap. 3. In that very same thread BoB had to admit they had used the same logoff to save a freighter of theirs. 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
1 - We don't exploit. We don't "login trap". Ever. 2 - See (1). 3 - And that pilot will be laughed at forever more, just like we're laughing at your lamer tactics. 4 - Truth starts with a t, btw, you may want to go look it up in the dictionary, because your definition seems to be at odds with any definition I've ever seen.
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Trooper B99
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap. 3. In that very same thread BoB had to admit they had used the same logoff to save a freighter of theirs. 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
Can I just ask afew questions?
That if the BoB fleet didn't login-trap the freighter, would you still feel, correct in using (as described by Oveur at FF and alot of other people, including myself) as a "lame tactic"? would you continue to use it and feel it was a legitimate "tactic"? Is this "tactic" okayed by your FC's and HC's? .
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic 4 - Truth starts with a t, btw, you may want to go look it up in the dictionary, because your definition seems to be at odds with any definition I've ever seen.
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!
'Twist' also starts with a T Just an Average Joe! |
00tricky
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: 00tricky on 14/11/2006 16:51:47
Originally by: Malachon Draco As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap
Proof or STFU, you've been asked for the proof before, and you have not provided any. Saying that BoB members are logging in at the same time your friends are being slaughtered... I'll make sure to send out an alliance mail requesting noone log in untill after making sure there is no fighting to occur
Originally by: Malachon Draco 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap.
You only posted to save face, and you failed miserably.
Originally by: Malachon Draco 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
Your balls dropped into a purse and out of your ownership the second you Ctrl-Q'ed your way to safety. Tbh, it shows the complete lack of trust you have in your alliance m8Ęs abilities to protect you.
Question: If you didnĘt trust that your alliance m8Ęs could protect you, why did you even chance a freighter movement through space?
The reason I ask is because the unsafe travel of ASCN industrials seems to have become the norm.
edit: Don't stop, pretty please. Killing your haulers is much less expensive than claiming your hanger clearout escrows in our new stations
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Hey You
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:46:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Slender Brenda
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I ctrl+q freighter from certain death, had FC double check that it was logged off safe and then I moralize on forums.
Here, just for you. I hope now we can go back discussing other things.
Hahaha, brilliant. You are indeed a master of debate. When out of a counter, you make up some fake quote from me and pretend you've won. Awesome.
I guess that means you admit to using alts to break your own 1v1s.
As for the ctrl-q on the freighter. 1. It was in response to a BoB login trap 2. I only posted in response to a BoB whining about me logging off after they pulled that trap. 3. In that very same thread BoB had to admit they had used the same logoff to save a freighter of theirs. 4. At least I have the balls to tell the truth about what I do and why, a quality sorely lacking in BoB.
I think whole community agreed it wasnt a log on trap, wich makes you, insisting it was, look like moron...
To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain |
Hey You
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:49:00 -
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actualy i think this is a propper response to your postings...
http://plato.kewl.org/atuk/source/sucks.html
To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain |
Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:53:00 -
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So the thread boils down to this
1. ASCN 'perceived' BoB Logon Trap 2. BoB Spy in TS, confirms this 'perception' as per recording 3. ASCN Pilots CRTL-Q's to save freightor because he beleives that there is a logon trap 4. Previously BoB Pilot in a freightor logs off, when it was not a confirmed logon trap, but rather a group of people fast enough to catch it while aligning. 5. BoB Deny logon trap, and claim ASCN are wuss for logging the freightor
My question is not if it was a logon trap or not, it is the actions of freightor pilots.
So my understanding is that ASCN logged the freightor only when they thought it was a logon trap, and BoB logged the freightor when it was fairly tackled and was being beaten up?
And bob are moaning? WTF???
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Bloggers So the thread boils down to this.... stuff about logon traps, logging off in combat etc..
Nope.
This thread boils down to this...
Quote: Given the current state of affairs within ASCN and the hopelessness of their cause we're going to open up an offer to individual corporations for a limited period of time.
Any ASCN corporation approaching a BoB CEO to surrender during the next seven days will be allowed to leave the area peacefully and withdraw to empire.
This offer may not be repeated for some time if at all.
The offer does not extend to the following corporations:-
CLS CLS-F EDF DS1
That is what this thread is about and that is the important consideration from the many ASCN corps seeing their alliance die around them.
Pointless debate about game mechanics does not belong in this thread.
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