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Too Kind	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:34:00 - [31] They could really at least throw us a bone now and fix logging already in Kali-1, too. First step, nerf logging at gates and in bubbles, seconds step in belts etc. No reason to log there and disappear from space after 30 seconds. Just doesn't make much sense except for people, who abuse it to escape. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Zwaplat Caldari Production Inc	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:40:00 - [32] Ah, finally gate campers will have to work for their money. Besides pushing their "I win" button ofcourse. Quote: -Ghoest- The danger in 0.0 should be pirates coming up on you while you are doing stuff, not pirates killing you everytime you knock on the door.
Valan	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:47:00 - [33] Lose the warp to 0. But implement warp to any object you can see. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Fortior Quote: Bookmarks are a major problem, the are the cause of a lot of the lag that you experience. There is an incredible amount of bookmark copying taking place in the game, and the stress it puts on the database is enormous. It's more stressful than any other single activity in the game. Then how about fixing the god ** problem, i.e. removing bookmark copying, not something else? =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by:** Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:03:00 - [35] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 14:03:35 Originally by: hydraSlav Then how about fixing the god ** problem, i.e. removing bookmark copying**, not something else? I guess you already have bookmarks. Nice solution there, champ. :) Selfish much? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Spanker	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:28:00 - [36] Edited by: Spanker on 13/11/2006 14:30:04 I was podded in a 0.4 yesterday while afking my covetor, even though I have bookmarks for that particular system. I expect I, and others with me, will keep making that same little blunder as long as the AP stays at 15km default. Fully equipped ship and a full rack of implants gone but at least I had a peaceful 20 mins on the crapper. - Shpank
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:32:00 - [37] As a former pirate but still into pvp I look forward to this change. I am not sure yet how I will overcome the obstacle of warp to 0 but its going to fun finding out. ---------------------------
Spanker	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Dumus As a former pirate but still into pvp I look forward to this change. I am not sure yet how I will overcome the obstacle of warp to 0 but its going to fun finding out. You and your fellow yarrers will most likely overcome it, and quite fast at that. Some eve players are obviously pretty inventive. - Shpank
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Thor Xian My faith in CCP will be much weaker if this change actually does happen. Instas should be removed, but there should be no replacement. Insta Addiction is a problem and its hurting the game (whether you admit it or not). The fix is just more of the same except easier, faster, and with less effort. I'm looking forward to a game dev company that actually stands up for themselves on their game's design principles. All CCP does is cave to the loud and lazy vocal majority, slowly but surely on all issues. CCP is there to make money. There is nothing wrong with trying to keep paying customers happy. In fact, they must listen to their customers, or risk being just another game company that went belly-up. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:03:00 - [40] This issue was addressed at FanFest. Apparently Warp-to-zero is not yet set in stone, because the devs recognize the issues that it involves. If they do institute WTZ, they are considering allowing interdictors (but not warp bubble generators) in low sec. With regard to BMs in general, they plan to allow players to keep some BMs for tactical uses (SS, observation posts, etc.), but may limit the number of BMs that each player may have. I forgot to ask whether existing BMs would remain valid, or if they'd be wiped and we'd have to start over...
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:20:00 - [41] Edited by: Dumus on 13/11/2006 15:19:58 Originally by: Tanis Bastar I forgot to ask whether existing BMs would remain valid, or if they'd be wiped and we'd have to start over... Now theres a scary thought ---------------------------
Amira Silvermist Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:30:00 - [42] Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 13/11/2006 15:32:57 I still hope they decide against doing it but oh well... PS: before anybody jumps and announces that they "removed" all bookmarks on sisi: That is just a bug.
Gourdann Milaa Amarr Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:48:00 - [43] What about making the closest you can get to a gate be dependent on the security of the system, or the frequency of travel through the gate? This would mean that low sec, rarely travelled routes would still be dangerous, but high sec, regular routes would be quite fast to traverse.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 14:03:35 Originally by: hydraSlav Then how about fixing the god ** problem, i.e. removing bookmark copying*, not something else? I guess you already have bookmarks. Nice solution there, champ. :) Selfish much? Read my other posts on the matter, "champ". I've been advocating "no instas at all" for a very long time. No instas, no local = perfect game. The above is a prime example of CCP ignoring the root of the problem and giving us half-thought fixes =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by:* Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:53:00 - [45] Every book mark has three coordinates. They know every object coordinates. Thefore they run a pgm that removes in the database every BM that is 40km close. I look forward to the new eve. You can still make BM but you only have a limit. You will no be deleting BM like you did when they made you reduce the items in your hangars. Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Gourdann Milaa This would mean that low sec, rarely travelled routes would still be dangerous, but high sec, regular routes would be quite fast to traverse. So kind of the worst of both worlds? ---------- IBTL \o/
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:37:00 - [47] On a slightly random note, I'd be interested to know when (and where)this screenshot was taken. (That's no moon!) Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Vasco Falcon	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:45:00 - [48] Cant wait, low sec/0.0 ere i come
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:37:00 - [49] So, how many BM's will we be allowed to have? can we get say, a week notice so we can make sure we delete the ones we want to delete befor this goes live? Not sure how this works, when they did things like this in SWG, you could not move until you made the nessesary changes. which was a very bad thing if you were an overt reb standing at the Theede starport ona sunday afternoon.
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:14:00 - [50] At the round table, a dev threw out the max number of BMs as, say, 300, but he emphasized that that number was arbitrary, and not final by any means. But I would guess it would be in the hundreds rather than the thousands...which would probably be OK if you don't have to worry about instas. One of the miners at the roundtable raised an objection, because apparently miners have lots of BMs (who knew?) No discussion at the roundtable re how any such change would be implemented (notice period, etc.).
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 13:21:16 Originally by: Thor Xian All CCP does is cave to the loud and lazy vocal majority, slowly but surely on all issues. I think you have been the definite loudest and most crazy one. :) Not sure why you dont realize that its very possible that people will just quit the game if ccp just killed instas with no replacement. Then you can sit there with half the population and slowboat to the gates... CCP made the right business choice, and I think its even good for the game too (in more than a massive performance boost), even if you dont see it yet. I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Varis Thor - we had this argument for the last few weeks. we lost So they get their supercharged-free-instas. Yep, and once they have them, there is no turning back...I only hope CCP eventually changes how interstellar travel works (ie no more stargates). ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Thor Xian My faith in CCP will be much weaker if this change actually does happen. Instas should be removed, but there should be no replacement. Insta Addiction is a problem and its hurting the game (whether you admit it or not). The fix is just more of the same except easier, faster, and with less effort. I'm looking forward to a game dev company that actually stands up for themselves on their game's design principles. All CCP does is cave to the loud and lazy vocal majority, slowly but surely on all issues. CCP is there to make money. There is nothing wrong with trying to keep paying customers happy. In fact, they must listen to their customers, or risk being just another game company that went belly-up. What about the paying customers that won't miss the ability to insta? With WTZ and this silly desire to make travel as short as possible, why not just let people jump straight to any system they want? I can see this eventually happening. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Zwaplat Ah, finally gate campers will have to work for their money. Besides pushing their "I win" button ofcourse. Low sec campers should be nerfed regardless of WTZ being in our not. They are as or even more lazy than the pro WTZ people. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Uglyone Deep Can Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:08:00 - [56] darwinism just got nerfed :( some ppl need darwin just to learn and now they never will.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:10:00 - [57] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 19:11:02 Originally by: Uglyone darwinism just got nerfed :( some ppl need darwin just to learn and now they never will. You guys with all the darwanism... you are playing a computer game killing nubs in spaceships. That should tell you about darwanism and your role in it... This is just a game ffs. The nub you are killing might be Bill Gates! Darwanism... pff.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) We will, bet on it. Maybe by then I'll have a face. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:12:00 - [59] well been on isis and warp to 0km is defo in and coming, but if u set autopilot u warp to 15kms so any lazy afkers are gonna still get pwned
Alha Qmar Caldari Xenon Logistics	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:24:00 - [60] CCP you suck to be honest, why a limit to max bookmarks? Thats just *** in my eyes.

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