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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) We will, bet on it. Maybe by then I'll have a face. How can you be so sure. Your opinion will change. Just remember for 40% of the eve population nothing will change because they already had instas to everywhere anyways. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Zeke Novak	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:31:00 - [62] Good news :D
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:33:00 - [63] Originally by: Thor Xian Maybe by then I'll have a face. CCP can solve many problems, but Ive lost my faith in them for that one... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Noriath	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:40:00 - [64] I think this change is not so bad, the giant advantage that a full set of bookmarks gives a player right now is simply unfair towards everyone who wasn't in the game when bookmarks could be copied by the thousands in an instant. The real issue is that even though in pro PvP everyone warps to 0km anyways, and you just have to deal with that, the warping game in eve is still not very fun, because in fights 90% of the time is spent just barely trying to get a scram on the enemy that is warping and jumping around wildly, and this is not going to make it much better. It's not going to make it much worse either, but it should still be adressed. Warping needs some kind of delay, should never be instant, should have some kind of cooldown and so on...
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:52:00 - [65] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) We will, bet on it. Maybe by then I'll have a face. How can you be so sure. Your opinion will change. Just remember for 40% of the eve population nothing will change because they already had instas to everywhere anyways. You are naive. Instas are point A to point B. This WTZ is from every single point, including random SSes. There isn't even 1 person in eve that has every single celestial object->gate insta, and definatelly not from every SS to gate, as that is simply impossible. =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:01:00 - [66] Can't wait! I for one will gleefully rejoice the day all those **** instas I have gathered in my places go away. Warp to 0 was overdue... in BETA... thank god it's finally here.
OhMyGodess Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:03:00 - [67] Originally by: hydraSlav No instas, no local = perfect game. The above is a prime example of CCP ignoring the root of the problem and giving us half-thought fixes agree
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:04:00 - [68] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) We will, bet on it. Maybe by then I'll have a face. How can you be so sure. Your opinion will change. Just remember for 40% of the eve population nothing will change because they already had instas to everywhere anyways. You are naive. Instas are point A to point B. This WTZ is from every single point, including random SSes. There isn't even 1 person in eve that has every single celestial object->gate insta, and definatelly not from every SS to gate, as that is simply impossible. I've been playing for one year. In that time, I've gotten the following BM sets. These include Gate to gate, gate to station, station to gate, SS to gate/station and most possible combinations there of. (exluding most empire stations) DEKLEIN PUREBLIND TRIBUTE VALE GEMINATE CURSE FORGE CITADEL LONETREK FADE VENAL TENAL and some other random incomplete sets. On average, my BM sets are 15% bigger than the standard GtG sets. Because they include stations and SS's. And many tacticals. All I can say is, I'll be glad when I don't need them anymore. And I won't need to spend 2 weeks in an inty to make a new set if I decide to move to a new area. The Deeper you stick it in your vien, the deeper the thoughts there is no more pain.
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Jodicamar Now what about them "Billions" of iskies spent on getting the upperhand with BM's thats going to get deleted. Bahahahahaha
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:08:00 - [70] Originally by: hydraSlav You are naive. Instas are point A to point B. This WTZ is from every single point, including random SSes. There isn't even 1 person in eve that has every single celestial object->gate insta, and definatelly not from every SS to gate, as that is simply impossible. The fact of the matter is that people already had the instas that kept them safe. Many people have off axis SS's with an insta to the gate from there especially in 'known to be dangerous' places. I know I do. Warp to 0 will just give everyone else those instas while at the same time levelling the playing field. You will have no advantage with your 10,000 lag inducing bookmarks. If anything be happy that the game might run a little smoother... Then, learn how to adapt and thrive. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:07:00 - [71] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Thor Xian I think every single one of the pro WTZ people just plain can't see the big picture. Eve is a better game for everyone without it and instas. I want to discuss this again 3 months after the introduction on TQ and see if you still have the same opinion. :) We will, bet on it. Maybe by then I'll have a face. How can you be so sure. Your opinion will change. Just remember for 40% of the eve population nothing will change because they already had instas to everywhere anyways. Eve will change for them, but their big change came when they learned to create instas in the first place. And no, saying they already had instas is not justification for WTZ, of that you will never convince me. WTZ has to stand on its own merits in my eyes. Instas never should have happened regardless. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:12:00 - [72] "Now what about them "Billions" of iskies spent on getting the upperhand with BM's thats going to get deleted." That is the great thing, you keep your bookmarks, and CCP adds even more for you! You do loose your advantage, but that was pretty silly to gain and advantage by something so simple anyways isnt it.... Kinda like hey well we are deleting all bookmarks with in 40km of a gate, and adding warp to 0km, but onyl for those who who pay 19.99 a month instead of 14.99 a month.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:23:00 - [73] I'm fine with the change, getting rid of GTG BM's had to be top priority. Put in WTZ and let the game run for a few months, then take a look at what needs to be done to make it more low sec PvP friendly, and not simply ganker friendly... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:38:00 - [74] To the guy who spent "billions of iskies" on BMs... well... people have been complaining that there aren't enough isk sinks in the game to control inflation... there's one. Hopefully whoever sold the bms to you is outta the game and your isk along with him. I think the game might be better served if they extended the range of the gate guns to 300km and boost their destructive power more. That would solve the gate ganker problem. Oh wait... but the pirates won't like that, so surely the concerns of the vocal majority should be disregarded over the concerns of the minority.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar To the guy who spent "billions of iskies" on BMs... well... people have been complaining that there aren't enough isk sinks in the game to control inflation... there's one. Hopefully whoever sold the bms to you is outta the game and your isk along with him. I think the game might be better served if they extended the range of the gate guns to 300km and boost their destructive power more. That would solve the gate ganker problem. Oh wait... but the pirates won't like that, so surely the concerns of the vocal majority should be disregarded over the concerns of the minority. Gate sentries should be buffed, but WTZ shouldn't happen. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender What is your opinion?
Shirer Aprenon	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:43:00 - [76] The only time i got spanked using instas, was on the side I jumped to. If anyone thinks this is going to make gate camps easier to jump thru - get a grip. A boosted ceptor or two will catch anything going into warp on the jumped into side any day of the week. This just moves camps to the "unseen" side of the gate ------------------ Dad (noun) - someone who's wallet now contains a picture where his money once was.
Barasu Minmatar Crimson Wings Squadron Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:47:00 - [77] Edited by: Barasu on 13/11/2006 22:50:04 Originally by: Fortior Quote: Razor: Tell me about Warp to 0 km. Magnus: It's coming. We will remove any bookmark you personally have that is within 40 km of a celestial object, because you no longer need them. Bookmarks are a major problem, the are the cause of a lot of the lag that you experience. There is an incredible amount of bookmark copying taking place in the game, and the stress it puts on the database is enormous. It's more stressful than any other single activity in the game. We will also put a limit on the number of bookmarks that a person can have in the game. See for yourselves http://razorwire.warcry.com/ wpz = um less lag more complaining till they use it too Whats more disgusting then death? Not Trying!
Farkenloon	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:25:00 - [78] This thread just goes to show that people will complain about anything at all, even just to complain! Everybody will always cheer for whatever change makes the game more fun for them, but remember that you came here to play among other people (MMO) otherwise you'd go play Freelancer or Freespace and as such there must be some compromise. Personally I'm happy to see this change. The lag in EVE has been awful for me (30s bursts while in combat = instapod), and I quit a few months back because of it, only to return now in hopes that they'll actually implement this fix reasonably soon so the lag goes down. I don't really care about the insta-jumps, though WPZ is preferable to going around and making a billion bookmarks, imo. I didn't do it before, I wasn't going to do it now. I play this game to have fun. If I want busy work I can get that elsewhere. As for those that who spent many hours collecting bookmarks or making ISK to buy them, I hope you had a good time doing that. I'm sure you'll have fun thinking up new ways to get an edge in PvP. I think EVE has done a good job of listening to its players, though some would call it "caving in," so everybody will get some of their favorite features included in the game eventually. Plus this change is likely to attract new players by decreasing that advantage veterans have, which I think is higher in EVE than any other MMO by far. That kind of elitism, while fun for veterans and something to strive toward for newbs, will eventually stop the incoming flow of players to the game, and nobody wants that.
Valerek Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:13:00 - [79] Originally by: Farkenloon This thread just goes to show that people will complain about anything at all, even just to complain! Everybody will always cheer for whatever change makes the game more fun for them, but remember that you came here to play among other people (MMO) otherwise you'd go play Freelancer or Freespace and as such there must be some compromise. Personally I'm happy to see this change. The lag in EVE has been awful for me (30s bursts while in combat = instapod), and I quit a few months back because of it, only to return now in hopes that they'll actually implement this fix reasonably soon so the lag goes down. I don't really care about the insta-jumps, though WPZ is preferable to going around and making a billion bookmarks, imo. I didn't do it before, I wasn't going to do it now. I play this game to have fun. If I want busy work I can get that elsewhere. As for those that who spent many hours collecting bookmarks or making ISK to buy them, I hope you had a good time doing that. I'm sure you'll have fun thinking up new ways to get an edge in PvP. I think EVE has done a good job of listening to its players, though some would call it "caving in," so everybody will get some of their favorite features included in the game eventually. Plus this change is likely to attract new players by decreasing that advantage veterans have, which I think is higher in EVE than any other MMO by far. That kind of elitism, while fun for veterans and something to strive toward for newbs, will eventually stop the incoming flow of players to the game, and nobody wants that. You hit it with the comment about "elitism" and that is what high-ranked players have become. They whine because they know that their days are numbered. As low-skilled players start to invade "their turf" things will change. Their ratting holes and their mining holes will stand wide open. I can't wait to start marauding in their grounds. And yes, podkills will go up especially against those former gangkers.
Sales Merchant	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:23:00 - [80] Everyone hates jump queues Everyone hates node deaths Everyone hates lag If warp to 0/bookmark nerf fixes the nodes then I say go for it. I hate to get killed from lag because some bookmark trader is churning out his 581,027th bookmark somewhere else on the node.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Valerek You hit it with the comment about "elitism" and that is what high-ranked players have become. They whine because they know that their days are numbered. As low-skilled players start to invade "their turf" things will change. Their ratting holes and their mining holes will stand wide open. I can't wait to start marauding in their grounds. And yes, podkills will go up especially against those former gangkers. I 'whine' because instas never should have been allowed in the first place. But the whiners convinced CCP they were good. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Valerek Originally by: Farkenloon This thread just goes to show that people will complain about anything at all, even just to complain! Everybody will always cheer for whatever change makes the game more fun for them, but remember that you came here to play among other people (MMO) otherwise you'd go play Freelancer or Freespace and as such there must be some compromise. Personally I'm happy to see this change. The lag in EVE has been awful for me (30s bursts while in combat = instapod), and I quit a few months back because of it, only to return now in hopes that they'll actually implement this fix reasonably soon so the lag goes down. I don't really care about the insta-jumps, though WPZ is preferable to going around and making a billion bookmarks, imo. I didn't do it before, I wasn't going to do it now. I play this game to have fun. If I want busy work I can get that elsewhere. As for those that who spent many hours collecting bookmarks or making ISK to buy them, I hope you had a good time doing that. I'm sure you'll have fun thinking up new ways to get an edge in PvP. I think EVE has done a good job of listening to its players, though some would call it "caving in," so everybody will get some of their favorite features included in the game eventually. Plus this change is likely to attract new players by decreasing that advantage veterans have, which I think is higher in EVE than any other MMO by far. That kind of elitism, while fun for veterans and something to strive toward for newbs, will eventually stop the incoming flow of players to the game, and nobody wants that. You hit it with the comment about "elitism" and that is what high-ranked players have become. They whine because they know that their days are numbered. As low-skilled players start to invade "their turf" things will change. Their ratting holes and their mining holes will stand wide open. I can't wait to start marauding in their grounds. And yes, podkills will go up especially against those former gangkers. I don't know if I'm considered an elitist but I MORE then welcome anyone into my space. The more targ- err friends, the better. =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame...
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:32:00 - [83] I do not agree to WTZ but I will adapt. /me waits for WTZ and flies nothing but battleships only gangs. --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:36:00 - [84] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I do not agree to WTZ but I will adapt. /me waits for WTZ and flies nothing but battleships only gangs. I will too, tbh. But I'll probably feel cheap doing it lol. Granted I'll be in a Hurricane not a BS. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:37:00 - [85] Originally by: Dumus As a former pirate but still into pvp I look forward to this change. I am not sure yet how I will overcome the obstacle of warp to 0 but its going to fun finding out. Thats more like it! No whining just getting on and working out new ways.. hopefully ones that wont catch me out though :) Gratz to Dumus for being an intelligent (former)pirate. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I do not agree to WTZ but I will adapt. /me waits for WTZ and flies nothing but battleships only gangs. I will too, tbh. But I'll probably feel cheap doing it lol. Granted I'll be in a Hurricane not a BS. Why feel cheap doing it? BS gangs pwn everything. BS gangs can easily move with WTZ. All the newbs at low sec gates will cry so much on forum because BS gangs can tank sentries. May be all future combats will be battleships and interdictors. --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I do not agree to WTZ but I will adapt. /me waits for WTZ and flies nothing but battleships only gangs. I will too, tbh. But I'll probably feel cheap doing it lol. Granted I'll be in a Hurricane not a BS. Why feel cheap doing it? BS gangs pwn everything. BS gangs can easily move with WTZ. All the newbs at low sec gates will cry so much on forum because BS gangs can tank sentries. May be all future combats will be battleships and interdictors. I love my BSes, I just would rather be one of the few who do lol. WTZ makes BSes more common =/ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Admiral Machiavelli	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:19:00 - [88] What the Hell? I don't care about 'omg lag!', personally. What's really going to kill me is when people are taking advantage of WTZ to move around easily in low-security space. The expensive price of instas combined with the threat of piracy is what keeps a lot of High-Sec players from spilling over into the adjoining, "dangerous" regions currently. WTZ will effectively slice that in half (or even more), because as more carebear players move from High->Low Sec you will have a decreasing risk of piracy in these new highly populated systems (on average). These players will likely not add to the pirate population as they stayed in High-Sec for so long, and are therefore less inclined to turn towards PvP. Some may argue that this will be beneficial to piracy, as there will be a wealth of new targets. However, if you are a pirate, do you really want to go picking off targets in a 100+ populated system of carebears? The pirate would probably either be 1) run out of system quickly or 2) summarily squashed by a horde of rampaging bees. Higher population leads to greater security. So, you will have more people and more security in Low-Sec space, since it will be easier to get to (essentially free!) with WTZ. Guess what's going to happen to your market when people are stripping Low Security ice belts like they did in High Sec. Think about the impact on the market it will have when Zydrine is made positively common through the actions of swarms of carebear miners stripping these 'rarer' belts clean. Worst idea ever.
Ixianus	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:35:00 - [89] This change sucks and is counter pointive to what Eve is supposed to be about. Why cant I just buy modules from anywhere in a region, or hell, the entire universe, and have them appear where Im at when i buy them.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:14:00 - [90] only 40KM? id make it upto 80 tbh. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga

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