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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:28:06 -
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Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley.
So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic.
So..
What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
Any other psychological reasons you can think of?
Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:31:33 -
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Aww, thought you were going to post a link from a reputable journal.
This won't be at all scientific. |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:33:55 -
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According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:35:52 -
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Forgot one that very well may likely be the main reason.
To make isk/currency/points/xp etc |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:40:18 -
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Something, something, some people like to build sand castles, some like to kick them down, something, something.
In seriousness though, I think this is way too broad to easily explain.
I could explain it for me, but it wouldn't be relevant as a general concept, only as my specific reason.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:49:57 -
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beakerax wrote:According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life.
He was a very angry man towards women.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:50:45 -
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I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different.
You're trying to conquer me
You never will conquer me
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Yuri Ostrovskoy
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.23 02:09:18 -
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It actually boils down to relaxing after work for me. The content, and the fitting of ships, squeezing out optimal performance, all that jazz.
I save my pvp for my days off, when I can lean forward to my screen, and really get into it.
Pve is just relaxing. It has a sink into chair sigh feeling. It lets you calmly unwind after a twelve hour day of dealing customers that make you want to give up life while you can. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.05.23 02:17:50 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Forgot one that very well may likely be the main reason.
To make isk/currency/points/xp etc (Level up)
That could be the most important reason, certainly for me. Standings, ISK, RP, LP. Though, in a way, I also count exploration as PvE, even out of high. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.23 02:21:42 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho? |
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
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Posted - 2015.05.23 03:03:39 -
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What makes you attention seek on the forums so much? Everyone has there reasons for self gratification. |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
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Posted - 2015.05.23 03:35:42 -
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Posting in a stealth "PvP players are superior to PvE players" thread.
Bottom line : if it is within the rules and you enjoy it, go do it. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.23 04:08:47 -
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Black Panpher wrote:What makes you attention seek on the forums so much? Everyone has there reasons for self gratification. It seems like he is actually trying to make a decent thread, lay off. OTOH, he may have run out of his drug of choice.
CAM, I agree with Khergit Deserters and yes using eve-survival to a certain degree does make it easy, but there are many other pieces to the puzzle, especially if you are trying to blitz the fastest or clear entire rooms the fastest. There is also a lot more PVE than mission running.
The other reason to do it, besides the puzzle aspect and the obvious reason to make isk, if you are going to be doing PVP in any of these areas, it is best to have a full understanding of what is going on, so that you are not spending time worrying about that when you are trying to trap someone while they are doing the PVE and you are hunting them.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
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Posted - 2015.05.23 04:36:04 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley.
So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic.
So..
What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
Any other psychological reasons you can think of?
Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. CCP should add a poll function to the forums for post like these. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.05.23 07:11:07 -
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"Harvest Moon" aspect.
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PinkMonkey Dragon
Bittervets United
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Posted - 2015.05.23 07:21:25 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley.
So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic.
So..
What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
Any other psychological reasons you can think of?
Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve.
As some one who almost exclusivly pve's... 1. no. 2. no. 3. no. 4. no. 5. no.
other reason? it's easy, takes no time to set up, i can start it any time i like, and end it any time i like, with little risk of loss/wasted time fitting something new. I dont have to rely on others to do it. it's something casual, that i can do on my own terms at my own time with little to no real preparation.
and it makes isk.
done.
stop trying to over think things. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 07:52:49 -
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baltec1 wrote:beakerax wrote:According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life. He was a very angry man towards women. His grandson, Lucian Freud was (he died recently) a stunningly good painter, honestly worth looking up.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:13:09 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:Posting in a stealth "PvP players are superior to PvE players" thread.
Except its not stealth at all. It just shows how unflexible, onesided and selfloving some(! not all) pvplers think.
This "superior" thingy seems to be a common wet dream for some pvp-ppl.
As some PvPlers do PvE to help out for isk and standing, PvElers do some PVP when they like to. So in basic, its the same ppl. (aka the same brain) I would this tiny train of thought would make those pathetic guys understand. However that will not happen.
Another sienctific question: do some pathetic pvplers have lower brain functions, social competences, so they can not understand other ppl then themself?
OP, what do you think?
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:22:41 -
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Wait ... PvPers are unflexible ?
Okay you mean combat pilots, right ?
And how does that compare to miners and mission runners ? The most flexible people in space, right ?
That's hilarious trolling right there.
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:34:33 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho?
That site is down ^^
If the question you are asking is "Why doesn't everyone go out and find the peeveepee?", I can answer, at least for myself, I find the majority of it boring. Sure, the 3 minutes of shooting each other is fun but the 2, 3, 4 and 5 hours before that tend to be pretty ******* boring. There are better games out there if you want to shoot at each other and there is more to Eve than shooting each other (or waiting for an opportunity to do so) thankfully.
Also, I probably should post this with a different character because now everyone is going to go raa raa scrub, 0.0, carebear F1 monkey shithead raa raa but the way you worded this topic, it seems like you might be reasonable with someone's honest response ^^ |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:39:15 -
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Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9679
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:44:46 -
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flakeys wrote:Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie. *PAW* right in the kisser!
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:52:10 -
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This thread was doomed from the start in regards to its original quest of being scientific due to a lack of definitions.
An early step in researching stuff is defining stuff; what IS stuff?
How do you define "PvP"? If I say one thing about PvP and you say another; how do you know we actually (dis)agree if we don't know exactly what it is were talking about? Were we even discussing the same thing?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:05:35 -
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Yarda Black wrote:This thread was doomed from the start in regards to its original quest of being scientific due to a lack of definitions.
An early step in researching stuff is defining stuff; what IS stuff?
How do you define "PvP"? If I say one thing about PvP and you say another; how do you know we actually (dis)agree if we don't know exactly what it is were talking about? Were we even discussing the same thing?
Thats why some ppl say this is just a covered up superiority thread.
Why PvE?
NPCs are no griefers. NPCs are no luckers who are smartassing and try to tell how great they are. NPCs do not try to sell you that PvE is better than PvP. NPCs are no humans, so there are no idiots you have to struggle with.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Tao Dolcino
Red Resistance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:13:42 -
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There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. So why PvE then ? To finance your PvP, you need to earn money, and earning enough money only by PvPing is not so simple. => PvE. I'm always laughing when someone serves me the "Risk vs Reward" song : There are very few risks when PvEing in High Sec or Nullbearland and the rewards are huge. There are huge risks to lose money while PvPing and the reward when you win is in average meh.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2941
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:22:11 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:flakeys wrote:Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie. *PAW* right in the kisser!
Nah he's gonna come with 'lol this is my forum alt' , 'lol i allways fly logi' or something like that .It's how it allways goes, i'd love it if one of these days someone posting anti-pve would also have some trackrecord of actually being a pvp'er.
What dreams may come , i guess ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:27:44 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. .
I know a lot of people who even after 10years still enjoy eve pve massively and yes that includes mining , and even though they have tried pvp through the years multiple times they still don't see any fun in it.I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own.
My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:30:33 -
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I pvp for fun. I pve for isk. When I started I thought pve was fun. I tried all sorts of different types of it, as so much was interesting to me. Mining and industry were so complex I was immediately drawn to them. I could build stuff! I ran missions to buy shiny things I wanted, but I'm terrible at managing my finances so I usually spent as much as I made. After a couple of years each type of pve that I engaged in slowly became less and less fun. I branched out and put up my own POS so I could broaden my options when it came to industry... and went a little crazy with invention and building T2 thingies. Eventually maintaining it and gathering stuff became tedious... you can only mine up so many battleships and battlecruisers before the rocks start whispering sweet sweet nothing in your ear about murdering your fellow man. I almost quit because it was starting to feel like a part time job.
Now I sometimes make ISK from pvp, but the truth is that I generally operate at a loss. I sometimes pve, but usually on an alt as the killboards are littered with really good reasons to be extra careful when missioning during wartime. I still suck at managing my finances, but I don't care as much anymore now that I've accepted that I personally would rather have fun than make ISK. Others have their own reasons for playing the way they want to, and they are perfectly valid. I'm just providing my own.
Also, there are no griefers. They're all playing minecraft.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tao Dolcino
Red Resistance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:40:26 -
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flakeys wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. . I know a lot of people who even after 10years still enjoy eve pve massively and yes that includes mining , and even though they have tried pvp through the years multiple times they still don't see any fun in it.I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own. My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other.
Don't get me wrong, i understand that and i fully agree. But IF you want to PvP, you need to finance it with PvE, that was my point. And if you don't enjoy to PvE, then it's just a chore you still need to cope with, because PvP is a sport for the rich, as soon as you fly something else than a T1 frigate. The forum PvPers should not be so scornful and conceited, true, but maybe shouldn't you be so touchy, Sir.
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beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.23 09:40:29 -
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flakeys wrote:Nah he's gonna come with 'lol this is my forum alt' well, in fairness, it is
let me introduce you to the amusing hobby of Carriespotting |
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