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Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 151	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:28:06 - [1] - Quote Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 91	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:31:33 - [2] - Quote Aww, thought you were going to post a link from a reputable journal. This won't be at all scientific.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:33:55 - [3] - Quote According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 151	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:35:52 - [4] - Quote Forgot one that very well may likely be the main reason. To make isk/currency/points/xp etc
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37499	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:40:18 - [5] - Quote Something, something, some people like to build sand castles, some like to kick them down, something, something. In seriousness though, I think this is way too broad to easily explain. I could explain it for me, but it wouldn't be relevant as a general concept, only as my specific reason. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15943	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:49:57 - [6] - Quote beakerax wrote: According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life. He was a very angry man towards women. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4038	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:50:45 - [7] - Quote I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. You're trying to conquer me You never will conquer me -Delroy Wilson
Yuri Ostrovskoy State War Academy Caldari State 17	Posted - 2015.05.23 02:09:18 - [8] - Quote It actually boils down to relaxing after work for me. The content, and the fitting of ships, squeezing out optimal performance, all that jazz. I save my pvp for my days off, when I can lean forward to my screen, and really get into it. Pve is just relaxing. It has a sink into chair sigh feeling. It lets you calmly unwind after a twelve hour day of dealing customers that make you want to give up life while you can.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 92	Posted - 2015.05.23 02:17:50 - [9] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Forgot one that very well may likely be the main reason. To make isk/currency/points/xp etc (Level up) That could be the most important reason, certainly for me. Standings, ISK, RP, LP. Though, in a way, I also count exploration as PvE, even out of high.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 151	Posted - 2015.05.23 02:21:42 - [10] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho?
Black Panpher Ganja Inc 3404	Posted - 2015.05.23 03:03:39 - [11] - Quote What makes you attention seek on the forums so much? Everyone has there reasons for self gratification.
Buoytender Bob Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining 33	Posted - 2015.05.23 03:35:42 - [12] - Quote Posting in a stealth "PvP players are superior to PvE players" thread. Bottom line : if it is within the rules and you enjoy it, go do it.
Paranoid Loyd 5346	Posted - 2015.05.23 04:08:47 - [13] - Quote Black Panpher wrote: What makes you attention seek on the forums so much? Everyone has there reasons for self gratification. It seems like he is actually trying to make a decent thread, lay off. OTOH, he may have run out of his drug of choice. CAM, I agree with Khergit Deserters and yes using eve-survival to a certain degree does make it easy, but there are many other pieces to the puzzle, especially if you are trying to blitz the fastest or clear entire rooms the fastest. There is also a lot more PVE than mission running. The other reason to do it, besides the puzzle aspect and the obvious reason to make isk, if you are going to be doing PVP in any of these areas, it is best to have a full understanding of what is going on, so that you are not spending time worrying about that when you are trying to trap someone while they are doing the PVE and you are hunting them. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Aza Ebanu Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon 63	Posted - 2015.05.23 04:36:04 - [14] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. CCP should add a poll function to the forums for post like these.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8544	Posted - 2015.05.23 07:11:07 - [15] - Quote "Harvest Moon" aspect. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
PinkMonkey Dragon Bittervets United 10	Posted - 2015.05.23 07:21:25 - [16] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. As some one who almost exclusivly pve's... 1. no. 2. no. 3. no. 4. no. 5. no. other reason? it's easy, takes no time to set up, i can start it any time i like, and end it any time i like, with little risk of loss/wasted time fitting something new. I dont have to rely on others to do it. it's something casual, that i can do on my own terms at my own time with little to no real preparation. and it makes isk. done. stop trying to over think things.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9679	Posted - 2015.05.23 07:52:49 - [17] - Quote baltec1 wrote: beakerax wrote: According to Freud, it's caused by mothers withholding red crosses early in life. He was a very angry man towards women. His grandson, Lucian Freud was (he died recently) a stunningly good painter, honestly worth looking up. =]\|[=
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 228	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:13:09 - [18] - Quote Buoytender Bob wrote: Posting in a stealth "PvP players are superior to PvE players" thread. Except its not stealth at all. It just shows how unflexible, onesided and selfloving some(! not all) pvplers think. This "superior" thingy seems to be a common wet dream for some pvp-ppl. As some PvPlers do PvE to help out for isk and standing, PvElers do some PVP when they like to. So in basic, its the same ppl. (aka the same brain) I would this tiny train of thought would make those pathetic guys understand. However that will not happen. Another sienctific question: do some pathetic pvplers have lower brain functions, social competences, so they can not understand other ppl then themself? OP, what do you think? "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3124	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:22:41 - [19] - Quote Wait ... PvPers are unflexible ? Okay you mean combat pilots, right ? And how does that compare to miners and mission runners ? The most flexible people in space, right ? That's hilarious trolling right there. If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ... ... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it ................. Click! Read! Win!!!
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2284	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:34:33 - [20] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho? That site is down ^^ If the question you are asking is "Why doesn't everyone go out and find the peeveepee?", I can answer, at least for myself, I find the majority of it boring. Sure, the 3 minutes of shooting each other is fun but the 2, 3, 4 and 5 hours before that tend to be pretty ******* boring. There are better games out there if you want to shoot at each other and there is more to Eve than shooting each other (or waiting for an opportunity to do so) thankfully. Also, I probably should post this with a different character because now everyone is going to go raa raa scrub, 0.0, carebear F1 monkey shithead raa raa but the way you worded this topic, it seems like you might be reasonable with someone's honest response ^^
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2941	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:39:15 - [21] - Quote Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9679	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:44:46 - [22] - Quote flakeys wrote: Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie. PAW right in the kisser! =]\|[=
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 659	Posted - 2015.05.23 08:52:10 - [23] - Quote This thread was doomed from the start in regards to its original quest of being scientific due to a lack of definitions. An early step in researching stuff is defining stuff; what IS stuff? How do you define "PvP"? If I say one thing about PvP and you say another; how do you know we actually (dis)agree if we don't know exactly what it is were talking about? Were we even discussing the same thing?
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 228	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:05:35 - [24] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: This thread was doomed from the start in regards to its original quest of being scientific due to a lack of definitions. An early step in researching stuff is defining stuff; what IS stuff? How do you define "PvP"? If I say one thing about PvP and you say another; how do you know we actually (dis)agree if we don't know exactly what it is were talking about? Were we even discussing the same thing? Thats why some ppl say this is just a covered up superiority thread. Why PvE? NPCs are no griefers. NPCs are no luckers who are smartassing and try to tell how great they are. NPCs do not try to sell you that PvE is better than PvP. NPCs are no humans, so there are no idiots you have to struggle with. "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Tao Dolcino Red Resistance 351	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:13:42 - [25] - Quote There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. So why PvE then ? To finance your PvP, you need to earn money, and earning enough money only by PvPing is not so simple. => PvE. I'm always laughing when someone serves me the "Risk vs Reward" song : There are very few risks when PvEing in High Sec or Nullbearland and the rewards are huge. There are huge risks to lose money while PvPing and the reward when you win is in average meh. Against all imperialism
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2941	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:22:11 - [26] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: flakeys wrote: Looking at your killboard i'm sure you can answer those questions yourself carrie. PAW right in the kisser! Nah he's gonna come with 'lol this is my forum alt' , 'lol i allways fly logi' or something like that .It's how it allways goes, i'd love it if one of these days someone posting anti-pve would also have some trackrecord of actually being a pvp'er. What dreams may come , i guess ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2941	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:27:44 - [27] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. . I know a lot of people who even after 10years still enjoy eve pve massively and yes that includes mining , and even though they have tried pvp through the years multiple times they still don't see any fun in it.I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own. My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1635	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:30:33 - [28] - Quote I pvp for fun. I pve for isk. When I started I thought pve was fun. I tried all sorts of different types of it, as so much was interesting to me. Mining and industry were so complex I was immediately drawn to them. I could build stuff! I ran missions to buy shiny things I wanted, but I'm terrible at managing my finances so I usually spent as much as I made. After a couple of years each type of pve that I engaged in slowly became less and less fun. I branched out and put up my own POS so I could broaden my options when it came to industry... and went a little crazy with invention and building T2 thingies. Eventually maintaining it and gathering stuff became tedious... you can only mine up so many battleships and battlecruisers before the rocks start whispering sweet sweet nothing in your ear about murdering your fellow man. I almost quit because it was starting to feel like a part time job. Now I sometimes make ISK from pvp, but the truth is that I generally operate at a loss. I sometimes pve, but usually on an alt as the killboards are littered with really good reasons to be extra careful when missioning during wartime. I still suck at managing my finances, but I don't care as much anymore now that I've accepted that I personally would rather have fun than make ISK. Others have their own reasons for playing the way they want to, and they are perfectly valid. I'm just providing my own. Also, there are no griefers. They're all playing minecraft. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tao Dolcino Red Resistance 351	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:40:26 - [29] - Quote flakeys wrote: Tao Dolcino wrote: There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. . I know a lot of people who even after 10years still enjoy eve pve massively and yes that includes mining , and even though they have tried pvp through the years multiple times they still don't see any fun in it.I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own. My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other. Don't get me wrong, i understand that and i fully agree. But IF you want to PvP, you need to finance it with PvE, that was my point. And if you don't enjoy to PvE, then it's just a chore you still need to cope with, because PvP is a sport for the rich, as soon as you fly something else than a T1 frigate. The forum PvPers should not be so scornful and conceited, true, but maybe shouldn't you be so touchy, Sir. Against all imperialism
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 116	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:40:29 - [30] - Quote flakeys wrote: Nah he's gonna come with 'lol this is my forum alt' well, in fairness, it is let me introduce you to the amusing hobby of Carriespotting
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2941	Posted - 2015.05.23 09:59:29 - [31] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: flakeys wrote: Tao Dolcino wrote: There are people who don't like to PvP, of course. But PvE is fast boring, especially alone. . I know a lot of people who even after 10years still enjoy eve pve massively and yes that includes mining , and even though they have tried pvp through the years multiple times they still don't see any fun in it.I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own. My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other. Don't get me wrong, i understand that and i fully agree. But IF you want to PvP, you need to finance it with PvE, that was my point. And if you don't enjoy to PvE, then it's just a chore you still need to cope with, because PvP is a sport for the rich, as soon as you fly something else than a T1 frigate. The forum PvPers should not be so scornful and conceited, true, but maybe shouldn't you be so touchy, Sir. Haha if you think that's me being touchy mate then you are way off.I don't get touchy that often, at times i do , but not this time and surely not in a carrietroll thread . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 153	Posted - 2015.05.23 10:01:59 - [32] - Quote I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon. Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2941	Posted - 2015.05.23 10:04:54 - [33] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon. Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud I heard she deflated a few weeks ago ... ordered yourself a new one ? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 153	Posted - 2015.05.23 10:11:16 - [34] - Quote My girlfriend is sexy and pretty smart. She is older than me too. You are being touchy and i pvp/ruin peoples day with the best of them, just spread it out and anyways have been bogged down recently. I do not pve at all though that is why i ask. I have isk stored up from prior gaming experiences and prior pvp actions. ...
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 56	Posted - 2015.05.23 10:48:19 - [35] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: My girlfriend is sexy and pretty smart. She is older than me too. You are being touchy and i pvp/ruin peoples day with the best of them, just spread it out and anyways have been bogged down recently. I do not pve at all though that is why i ask. I have isk stored up from prior gaming experiences and prior pvp actions. ... Are you sure your mom won't find it offensive if you call her your "girlfriend" ? Or are we talking about famous Jill ? You know Jill, right ? Everyone know's Jill ! She's, like, uhm, the right hand of everyone ! <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
malcovas Henderson THoF 379	Posted - 2015.05.23 10:55:30 - [36] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Wait ... PvPers are unflexible ? Okay you mean combat pilots, right ? And how does that compare to miners and mission runners ? The most flexible people in space, right ? That's hilarious trolling right there. OI!!!!! I resent that remark imma miner and I taught you, a PvPer (a good one at that) a Cat can splode an Itty V on gate. /flex(able) go me :)
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:07:03 - [37] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Wait ... PvPers are unflexible ? Okay you mean combat pilots, right ? And how does that compare to miners and mission runners ? The most flexible people in space, right ? That's hilarious trolling right there. OI!!!!! I resent that remark imma miner and I taught you, a PvPer (a good one at that) a Cat can splode an Itty V on gate. /flex(able) go me :) OT confidence and skill, keep most PvE'ers away from PvP YOU KILLED A NOOB YOU MONSTER !!!!!! Hey, wanna go kill people in masses later today ? We can mock them endlessly with our superiority until their heads explode ! Already have a concept worked out ! I believe that, when big game companies can abuse the issues of those who can't fight for themselves ... ... then why shouldn't I as player of the best MMO out there not do the same thing ? :D Right ?? :D <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
malcovas Henderson THoF 381	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:15:11 - [38] - Quote Solecist Punk wrote: YOU KILLED A NOOB YOU MONSTER !!!!!! Hey, wanna go kill people in masses later today ? We can mock them endlessly with our superiority until their heads explode ! Already have a concept worked out ! I believe that, when big game companies can abuse the issues of those who can't fight for themselves ... ... then why shouldn't I as player of the best MMO out there not do the same thing ? :D Right ?? :D I would love to, but I am travelling very early tomoz. 4am. PvP is run on tears, and the PvE community are positively full of tears, ripe for harvesting. Go forth and abuse the carebears with my blessing. o7
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:24:49 - [39] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Solecist Punk wrote: YOU KILLED A NOOB YOU MONSTER !!!!!! Hey, wanna go kill people in masses later today ? We can mock them endlessly with our superiority until their heads explode ! Already have a concept worked out ! I believe that, when big game companies can abuse the issues of those who can't fight for themselves ... ... then why shouldn't I as player of the best MMO out there not do the same thing ? :D Right ?? :D I would love to, but I am travelling very early tomoz. 4am. PvP is run on tears, and the PvE community are positively full of tears, ripe for harvesting. Go forth and abuse the carebears with my blessing. o7 Please call them accurately "people who do not defend themselves". That's much better than carebear and way more precise ! <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 228	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:29:40 - [40] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: PvP is run on tears No it ain't. Maybe for some is... Its like sports: Some do it cause they love fair competition and can even have fun loosing. And then there are the others, more pathetic ones, that want to win so hard, that they cover their handycaps with cheats and doping. malcovas Henderson wrote: PvP is run on tears Oh, and why would one need tears of others? Need to compensate something? "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:41:47 - [41] - Quote Asking us if we need to compensate something ... ... while they identify with spacepixel ! Yes of course ! :D Omg you're all so hilariously weak !! xD <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1637	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:45:33 - [42] - Quote When mugging and hijacking become sports I will become a sports fan. I don't fight fair unless I have to. If I have to, I have done something wrong. PvP isn't any less diverse in how it's done than PvE is, to be honest. Just as there's exploration, mining, market, missions, incursions and industry the other side has it's list of versions of fun. Hot drops, ganks, gate camps, station games, suspect baits, safaris, duels and blobs... All are equally valid, just everyone has their own specific preference when it comes down to it. Yes, some do it for tears. Others do it for the adrenaline rush of having a real live and arguably thinking opponent to play against. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:54:18 - [43] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: When mugging and hijacking become sports I will become a sports fan. I don't fight fair unless I have to. If I have to, I have done something wrong. PvP isn't any less diverse in how it's done than PvE is, to be honest. Just as there's exploration, mining, market, missions, incursions and industry the other side has it's list of versions of fun. Hot drops, ganks, gate camps, station games, suspect baits, safaris, duels and blobs... All are equally valid, just everyone has their own specific preference when it comes down to it. Yes, some do it for tears. Others do it for the adrenaline rush of having a real live and arguably thinking opponent to play against. And he will come ... ... slap him really, really hard ... ... and scream ... FIGHT BACK YOU VICTIM ! <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 228	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:55:02 - [44] - Quote Solecist Punk wrote: Asking us if we need to compensate something ... ... while they identify with spacepixel ! Yes of course ! :D Omg you're all so hilariously weak !! xD You don't say. Ain't that just "screen" pixels? "US"? You and what army? Your army of solicist alts? So talking of identifiying with pixels and you don't means that you are just in for griefing. Like cheaters and ppl who dope. You agree? Another question: PvPlers like OP can obviously not understand PvElers and why they have fun. On the other hand the PvElers understand what Fun there is for PvPlers? That would suggest PvElers are smarter, not vice versa. "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:56:37 - [45] - Quote Look how this is sooo personal for her ! And yet she will deny that of course ! Hahahaha she's so much fun ! xD I love lower people so much ! :D <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 228	Posted - 2015.05.23 11:59:11 - [46] - Quote Solecist Punk wrote: Look how this is sooo personal for her ! And yet she will deny that of course ! Hahahaha she's so much fun ! xD I love lower people so much ! :D Still: You are projecting yourself on me. "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.05.23 12:11:22 - [47] - Quote I mostly PVE with industry in research/invention/manufacturing. I don't do it because the money's good (it is, hell of a lot better than mining anyways) but because I enjoy the feeling I get when I build things, knowing that in the near-future my products will either be on the market for everyone to buy or fly in if its ships I built. Kind of like how a carpenter gets that satisfied feeling when he sees his project house get completed.
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 12:26:49 - [48] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Solecist Punk wrote: Look how this is sooo personal for her ! And yet she will deny that of course ! Hahahaha she's so much fun ! xD I love lower people so much ! :D Still: You are projecting yourself on me. Look at the helpless person ! She's so cute! xD <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3421	Posted - 2015.05.23 13:04:02 - [49] - Quote As far as Ive been able to figure it out, it all depends upon if you like "The Rush". The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players. People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 57	Posted - 2015.05.23 13:09:32 - [50] - Quote I like the rush ... ... but I am perfectly capable of fishing! Boredom is a mental disease only affecting the addicted. ^_^ <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2015.05.23 13:14:43 - [51] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: As far as Ive been able to figure it out, it all depends upon if you like "The Rush". The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players. People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing. Makes perfect sense! While I do enjoy PVP, taken from the rare occasional times I dabbled in it while in Null, I am much more happy and at home sitting in my POS looking at the industry window and managing my indy jobs, researching the cheapest sources of mats on the market or doing the occasional mining if minerals on the markets are sparse or over-priced. Everyone enjoys different aspects about the game. It's why this game is a "sandbox". PVP in my opinion, is just a small part of that sandbox. If you think about it, industry is in effect a form of economic PVP, where you undercut people's profits on the market, buy cheap mats o build expensive end-products and fuel the PVP of the game by providing players with ammo/drones/mods/rigs/ships/etc...
Jenshae Chiroptera 1572	Posted - 2015.05.23 13:47:39 - [52] - Quote Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
malcovas Henderson THoF 381	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:06:13 - [53] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Solecist Punk wrote: Asking us if we need to compensate something ... ... while they identify with spacepixel ! Yes of course ! :D Omg you're all so hilariously weak !! xD You don't say. Ain't that just "screen" pixels? "US"? You and what army? Your army of solicist alts? So talking of identifiying with pixels and you don't, means that you are just in for griefing. Like cheaters and ppl who dope. You agree? Another question: PvPlers like OP can obviously not understand PvElers and why they have fun. On the other hand the PvElers understand what Fun there is for PvPlers? That would suggest PvElers are smarter, not vice versa. You really really sound like one of those, that would complain about cheating / Exploiting in a single player game. Declaring that the person doing it, has an unfair advantage over you.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4040	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:14:54 - [54] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho? Sort of. But you still have use the right fit for that situation, manage range, manage your cap, prioritize targets, etc. Sometimes there's that room that you just can't beat until you come up with a better plan. You're trying to conquer me You never will conquer me -Delroy Wilson
Kaye Kaye Mining and Trade 10	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:21:53 - [55] - Quote It's like a much more immersive game of solitaire. That's it.
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 65	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:35:45 - [56] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: La Rynx wrote: Solecist Punk wrote: Asking us if we need to compensate something ... ... while they identify with spacepixel ! Yes of course ! :D Omg you're all so hilariously weak !! xD You don't say. Ain't that just "screen" pixels? "US"? You and what army? Your army of solicist alts? So talking of identifiying with pixels and you don't, means that you are just in for griefing. Like cheaters and ppl who dope. You agree? Another question: PvPlers like OP can obviously not understand PvElers and why they have fun. On the other hand the PvElers understand what Fun there is for PvPlers? That would suggest PvElers are smarter, not vice versa. You really really sound like one of those, that would complain about cheating / Exploiting in a single player game. Declaring that the person doing it, has an unfair advantage over you. But mal ! Understand her situation ! And the situation of most of them ! They are not defending themselves ! They do not fight back, ever ! They need protection ! Think about it for a minute !! <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024 I have big big breasts in my black black vest it's not a big big thing if you squeeeeze me, but I do do feel that you do do will squeeze me muuuuch ... squeeze me muuhuch !
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 153	Posted - 2015.05.23 15:35:40 - [57] - Quote Stop trying to FORCE PVP into my PVE thread! Stay ontopic and scientific please.
Sweet Adamas Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.05.23 16:56:36 - [58] - Quote I like dangerous PvE slipping into an unknown SOV and taking down a 10/10 plex and then getting out again knowing that at any moment you could be hunted across nullsec in a sea of blues who all know that A. You are carrying a fortune B. You ship is worth a fortune I like being the underdog and the prey If im the hunter then all i get to eat is PvE prey that have no chance against me at anytime There is nothing predictable about nullsec ninja plexing. and you are completely on your own Second best thing i ever did. Carrying 12 billion isk in modules and blue prints out of Nullsec in a single run Best thing i ever saw. Was scanned down in mid warp and when i landed i was quickly followed by my attackers. lost everything and could not care less. It was a pleasure to see such EVE mastery at work. (Ive been scanned out lots of times but nothing ever like that)
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2949	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:24:19 - [59] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1576	Posted - 2015.05.23 18:31:02 - [60] - Quote flakeys wrote: [quote=Jenshae Chiroptera]... No risk of embarassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Frustrating team + lumped with logi anchor + Gorgon = MWD, fly straight at them ... and we all live?! I am starting to think that the forum is full of chat bots and so is the game. This is just a giant experiment to test insanity. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Enya Sparhawk Black Tea and Talons 56	Posted - 2015.05.23 20:15:49 - [61] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. Addiction. Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne Déan gáire...Tiocfaidh ár lá
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11085	Posted - 2015.05.23 20:24:50 - [62] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true. Myself for instance, I never had a 'bad' pvp experience, I have had some EMBARRASING PVE loses (some of them have killmails either based on the fact that a real player took a shot at me, or an alt or buddy accidentally aggressed me) and consequently I've lost major assets due to pve. As for ship to ship combat PVP, the only kind I actually "crave" is the kind that takes null space (aka the "big blobs") because I like being a part of a big fleet, and taking space means new PVE opportunities for people like me. Small gang, solo, hot dropping, gate camping and other forms of "making stuff go boom for the sake of making it go boom" PVP doesn't appeal to me though I will sometimes join a corp/alliance roam just to keep my face on a killboard because the PVPrs running the corp think that's important . There are lots of reasons (even in a PVP-centric game) to prefer PVE (I'm not exclusive, but a good 90% of what I do in game is PVE) that are not 'bad' reasons. EVE's sandbox PVE appeals to tinkerer/puzzle-solver/engineer type gamers. It's not the actual PVE content (which is generally uninteresting by itself), it's the fact that there are MILLIONS of ways to tackle that content and finding those ways are fun for us, everything from figuring out how to do regular lvl 4 missions with frigate sized ships to figuring out how to multi-box null sec anomalies without any kind of isboxer style crap (all i'll say is "FOUR FoF missile T1 Ravens warping in at 100km, screw your expensive smartbombing battleships at zero where they can get pointed by npcs crap" lol). This is in direct contrast to "themepark" style PVE that is focuses on "telling a story and making the player part of the story, and making that player the HERO of the story". CCP has actually demonstrated some understanding in this regard with adding Drifters and Burner Missions and watching people explode as they try to figure them out. Lots of EVE PVErs are delusional and disappointed "misplaced themeparkers" that play the game despite the fact that it just cannot provide the kind of immersive experience real PVE focused games do. But lots of us are not like that, we like EVE PVE for what it is and don't need CCP screwing that up by trying to get 'creative' in hopes of entertaining un-entertain-able people.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2951	Posted - 2015.05.23 20:50:39 - [63] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true. . That is kinda his angle , he is a troll for a reason and i'm not the only one seeing that as ISD usually locks his threads pretty fast.They should really have a rule with X amount of threads closed you can not create new ones for X weeks/months . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2015.05.23 21:11:08 - [64] - Quote flakeys wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Some of m most expensive losses have been in PvE, because I tend to be less careful than if I were facing other players. I tend to forget that if you end up at the wrong range and don't start aligning out fast enough, or get blobbed by scram/web frigates, the NPC's actually can make your ship go boom. Especially if I've been running the same missions for awhile I tend to get careless and hilarity ensues. Like when I lost a proteus in the second room of Worlds Collide because I didn't pull range before aggressing the mob of elite frigates sitting on the warpin...80/90% resists don't save you when you're quadruple webbed and target painted in front of a dozen battleships and cruisers. I am not a very good min/maxer.
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2015.05.23 21:37:27 - [65] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true. Myself for instance, I never had a 'bad' pvp experience, I have had some EMBARRASING PVE loses (some of them have killmails either based on the fact that a real player took a shot at me, or an alt or buddy accidentally aggressed me) and consequently I've lost major assets due to pve. As for ship to ship combat PVP, the only kind I actually "crave" is the kind that takes null space (aka the "big blobs") because I like being a part of a big fleet, and taking space means new PVE opportunities for people like me. Small gang, solo, hot dropping, gate camping and other forms of "making stuff go boom for the sake of making it go boom" PVP doesn't appeal to me though I will sometimes join a corp/alliance roam just to keep my face on a killboard because the PVPrs running the corp think that's important . There are lots of reasons (even in a PVP-centric game) to prefer PVE (I'm not exclusive, but a good 90% of what I do in game is PVE) that are not 'bad' reasons. EVE's sandbox PVE appeals to tinkerer/puzzle-solver/engineer type gamers. It's not the actual PVE content (which is generally uninteresting by itself), it's the fact that there are MILLIONS of ways to tackle that content and finding those ways are fun for us, everything from figuring out how to do regular lvl 4 missions with frigate sized ships to figuring out how to multi-box null sec anomalies without any kind of isboxer style crap (all i'll say is "FOUR FoF missile T1 Ravens warping in at 100km, screw your expensive smartbombing battleships at zero where they can get pointed by npcs crap" lol). This is in direct contrast to "themepark" style PVE that is focuses on "telling a story and making the player part of the story, and making that player the HERO of the story". CCP has actually demonstrated some understanding in this regard with adding Drifters and Burner Missions and watching people explode as they try to figure them out. Lots of EVE PVErs are delusional and disappointed "misplaced themeparkers" that play the game despite the fact that it just cannot provide the kind of immersive experience real PVE focused games do. But lots of us are not like that, we like EVE PVE for what it is and don't need CCP screwing that up by trying to get 'creative' in hopes of entertaining un-entertain-able people. Claps hands Bravo! Couldn't have said it better myself
Yuri Ostrovskoy State War Academy Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.05.23 23:07:51 - [66] - Quote Also, yall need to ignore Solicist and her army of alts. That ones so batcrap crazy, that this is real life for her.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2284	Posted - 2015.05.24 01:24:24 - [67] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon. Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud I have a pretty awesome KB too if you look at nothing besides that percentages and value destroyed and bla bla. I'm still pretty **** at/avoid PvP most of the time ^^
Sunrise Aigele Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun 58	Posted - 2015.05.24 03:48:44 - [68] - Quote The puzzle-solving aspect of PVE make it interesting. There is enough variety for different people to approach it in different ways for different reasons. I enjoy its availability, and the chance to try different approaches to the same problem to see what happens. But it is not merely about mastery! I have been known to send the "wrong" ship into a mission just to see if I could get it back out. This can give me "The Rush" more surely than most PVP, simply because it happens over a long enough time period for suspense to build while I puzzle a way out. When I warped my Abaddon out of Buzz Kill vs Angels after having complicated things greatly by shooting the triggers, and after the last two of my five Warrior IIs had finally killed the last of the elite frigate that had pointed me, the ship was at 14% hull, and my hands were trembling! By contrast, PVP combat is often much less exciting to me, simply because so many people ensure that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Foregone conclusions fail to interest me for long. I might learn a good trick from watching a clever pilot. I might discover how my ship can be rendered toothless (woe to my beloved golden laser bricks!). Both slake my curiosity. Neither are thrilling. If I I could not focus as absolutely on combat as he does, so perhaps at a later time when I have done all that I can with the content I currently enjoy I will try to play his way.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3428	Posted - 2015.05.24 03:53:44 - [69] - Quote flakeys wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1136	Posted - 2015.05.24 03:56:12 - [70] - Quote Because EvE is a PvE game. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2015.05.24 04:49:02 - [71] - Quote Mostly to rage at how the forums never work properly. Will this post make it through? We'll see. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2952	Posted - 2015.05.24 07:52:56 - [72] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: flakeys wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up. Usually your corpmates will though.But yes the people who browse the killboards will not.Might be me but i get more emberassed when people i play with spot a stupid loss then complete strangers who's opinion i don't give a f about... but that's just lill odd me i guess . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1588	Posted - 2015.05.24 11:25:13 - [73] - Quote flakeys wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Why do people PVE exclusively? - Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true.. That is kinda his angle , he is a troll for a reason and i'm not the only one seeing that as ISD usually locks his threads pretty fast.They should really have a rule with X amount of threads closed you can not create new ones for X weeks/months . Sigh It is easier to dismiss what I say as trolling. The reason someone writes, says or does something to troll is in order to get an emotional response. I do not care how you feel. The forums ate my replies, so briefly, An example of common theme I hear from ratters: - They got in a battleship too soon. - Went to Low Sec and was blasted off the grid. - They then heard about slave implants, boosters, hard wires, boosting ships, pilots with 180M+ SP and perfect skills. - They looked at how long these things would take them to acquire, lost hope and forgot about PVP entirely. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Mag's the united 19466	Posted - 2015.05.24 11:47:54 - [74] - Quote I tend to be the first to laugh at my own failings, be it falling asleep in missions or on gates in null, or losing expensive ships when messing around on stations. As long as I get to play the game and I have fun, it matters not what I do. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1588	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:45:16 - [75] - Quote Are you in Brave or Goons? =P CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 206	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:51:18 - [76] - Quote I can PvE while watching TV shows or browsing the Internet, so it's kinda better than sitting idle in the station. PvP requires your full attention, so you may not always have the ability to do it, depending on your free time. Also, PvE is easier in most cases. If someone catches me unprepared, then good for him. Also it feels like a win when you obliterate everything, even if it's red crosses. Being jammed, scrambled, cap drained and webbed definitely doesn't feel that good, but it comes with PvP. These are some of the reasons why I do more PvE than PvP, but the main one is the lack of free time and being unable to communicate, which is mandatory in PvP. Can't talk much when my 1yo son is sleeping in the next room. I am expecting things to change once he grows up. I have no doubts that this game will outlive me.
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3240	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:56:46 - [77] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ... ... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it ................. Click! Read! Win!!!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1588	Posted - 2015.05.24 13:59:04 - [78] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. That some dead URL or something? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3240	Posted - 2015.05.24 14:08:49 - [79] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. That some dead URL or something? They were the main reason why people did 20 jumps from Hek to Jita ... ... instead of just nine. Rancer was pretty famous. If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ... ... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it ................. Click! Read! Win!!!
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2015.05.24 14:38:02 - [80] - Quote Just from my point of view, I did extensive missioning the first months to get into the game (was the natural succession from the tutorials and the sisters arc), and get my standings up. ISK was a point but not the dominating one as I started with my 400mio from the buddy invite (yes, PLEX were that cheap in 2013 ). Today I'm running relic sites for ISK, but to be honest it's not what it was when it was still new for me and exciting ... what I really liked was flying logi in an Incursion, because it is not all "automatic" and actually challenging. It's a goal of mine to join an Incursion community once my skills permit (T2 logi and support skills). I tried combat exploration in an Ishtar, but it was not fun ... when I play and enjoy EvE for me that means combat PvP, solo roaming, small gang, big fleet, whale hunting, and the communities ...this is what me gets attached to that game. I'm my own NPC alt.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2953	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:01:06 - [81] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished. What the hell happened to rancer ? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3972	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:16:41 - [82] - Quote PVE: predictable, you win if you don't mess up, easy to do solo --> relaxing, no social effort, (mildly) satisfying PVP: unpredictable, you win if you're better/nastier/smarter/sneakier/luckier than the other guy(s), hard to do solo --> usually requires social effort, can be either thrilling or depressing Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Solecist Punk Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 120	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:22:31 - [83] - Quote flakeys wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished. What the hell happened to rancer ? That's exactly my experience. ... a surprised nothing. I went through Rancer three times in a few days apart. In my pod. Back and forth. Nothing. What happened ? Good question. I got to ask Santo eventually when I saw him in lowsec, but he didn't really want to talk about it. I think Mag's told me, but I forgot... so I might be wrong. ^_^ Whatever happened there shortened the Hek-Jita route considerably ... ... without most people even noticing. <----- Profile pic - 1024x1024 I have big big breasts in my black black vest it's not a big big thing if you squeeeeze me, but I do do feel that you do do will squeeze me muuuuch ... squeeze me muuhuch !
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:45:26 - [84] - Quote I really would like to know why Rancer is not perma-camped. Did someone finally clean out that nest of villainy?
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2015.05.24 20:44:46 - [85] - Quote Eve died and no-one even realised
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2953	Posted - 2015.05.24 21:02:16 - [86] - Quote beakerax wrote: Eve died and no-one even realised Actually , that is the perfect answer right there . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ozymandias Hamalia Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2015.05.25 00:24:08 - [87] - Quote Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm.....
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1647	Posted - 2015.05.25 10:31:43 - [88] - Quote Ozymandias Hamalia wrote: Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... The market would tank, due to demand outpacing supply. Just as it would if there were no PVP, as the supply would outpace demand. EVE needs a healthy balance of both to keep itself healthy. Most of us get this, which is probably why it hasn't been mentioned yet. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 109	Posted - 2015.05.25 10:52:07 - [89] - Quote Ozymandias Hamalia wrote: Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... Well, we know players shooting other players ships is definitely PVP, and shooting rats is PVE, but the business of manufacturing and trading... now is that PVE... don't think so.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2953	Posted - 2015.05.25 10:55:02 - [90] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: Ozymandias Hamalia wrote: Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... Well, we know players shooting other players ships is definitely PVP, and shooting rats is PVE, but the business of manufacturing and trading... now is that PVE... don't think so. Without mining or missioning wich is pve , what can you build and as such what can you trade ? We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1589	Posted - 2015.05.25 14:08:56 - [91] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: ... Rancer was pretty famous. Take your word for it. Only one I remember from High Sec is Vimsy because they post on the forums and they piled two alliances onto a newbie corp that just wanted some good fights to learn PVP. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Heathyy Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI 2	Posted - 2015.05.25 14:15:28 - [92] - Quote well its pretty simple really, pve makes money, pvp loses money, when you have enough money you pvp, when you don't you pve. ppl like making money over losing it. mystery solved.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3428	Posted - 2015.05.25 22:11:01 - [93] - Quote No one who dislikes grinding for ISK need do so. Work an extra hour in the real world, buy a PLEX, issue solved. Even driving slower on the freeway makes ISK at around 300 mil per hour. (That is, drive slower, spend more time getting there, save gas money. Use saved money to buy PLEX. You get 300 million ISK for every extra hour you spend on the freeway.) Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Yuri Ostrovsky Snake River Jump Squad 0	Posted - 2015.05.25 23:05:58 - [94] - Quote Ozymandias Hamalia wrote: Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... Best point on the forums all day right here.
Whipple Shai Control-Space 5	Posted - 2015.05.26 02:45:25 - [95] - Quote Just for the S&G of it, I'll give you a serious answer. I don't PVP because I have a TBI that makes it impossible for me to respond to the rapid flow of information and make rapid decisions that are necessary. Even following the FC's orders places my side in jeopardy as it takes me up to 10 seconds to respond to orders. Don't even try and tell me anything more than "jump and hold cloak" because it simply won't be understood enough to remember. Now, I quit PVE'ing after my first six months or so playing when I decided to move to null sec, once I thought I found a corp that understood my limitations. That didn't work out so well and I'm not going to do drama to explain why. Back to empire for another six months until I finally found a corp made up of mostly veterans who clearly understood. Now, not being able to PVP didn't mean I didn't want the thrill. All this time I was working on my reflexes and muscle memory while mining. For a little over two years I lived in null being the main provider of minerals for our corp, and I seldom lost a ship, and I have multiple accounts and I make a crud ton of ISK. The thrill for me is living in an area long enough to learn the frequent neuts, what they fly, what predictable path they use through the systems and then avoid them. Top that off with having to be ready to squad warp my guys at a seconds notice if a neut is missed by intel or comes through a WH, or there was a log off in system that we didnt get informed about and, for me, that's FUN. That corp has folded and I was very fortunate to find this one. We're giving WH life a try while this fozzysov BS gets worked out and I'm having to adapt my playstyle to a lack of local. I'll either learn and adapt or I won't be able to be part of he team. If it turns out I'm a liability after much trying to not get 'sploded then I'll make a decission how to procede from there. It's not that I like being prey, that's why I seldom get blown up. But I hate pve because it doesn't give me a "rush". Keeping my miners from being content does. Managing cycles while dealing with rats while watching for neuts? Big freeking rush - for my sandbox. Did that answer your question? Whipple
Vortexo VonBrenner kaldasti sjo sigla 1882	Posted - 2015.05.26 03:09:33 - [96] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. Keep? It's not scientific nor a study in first place. I need to check out Hello Kitty Island Adventure. It must be a good game as people in EvE tell me all the time that I should be playing it.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 151	Posted - 2015.05.26 04:44:58 - [97] - Quote Kiandoshia wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: I'd say it's this one: Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? There is a chess game and mathematical analysis involved in PVE. Especially solo. Don't let PVP bigger-upper 'leet noobs tell you any different. Doesnt. Www.eve-survival.com or whatever tell you eexactly what to do when tho? That site is down ^^ If the question you are asking is "Why doesn't everyone go out and find the peeveepee?", I can answer, at least for myself, I find the majority of it boring. Sure, the 3 minutes of shooting each other is fun but the 2, 3, 4 and 5 hours before that tend to be pretty ******* boring. There are better games out there if you want to shoot at each other and there is more to Eve than shooting each other (or waiting for an opportunity to do so) thankfully. Also, I probably should post this with a different character because now everyone is going to go raa raa scrub, 0.0, carebear F1 monkey shithead raa raa but the way you worded this topic, it seems like you might be reasonable with someone's honest response ^^ When I go out and do peeveepee I facepalm my keyboard when I fall asleep. Darn imprint of my keyboard on my fored ouch You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Moth Eisig 89	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:18:40 - [98] - Quote PvE partly for the puzzle of optimization, partly for the influx of space money, partly for the more relaxed atmosphere . . . but mostly for the tears of those who insist I'm playing their precious game wrong.
Yuri Ostrovsky Snake River Jump Squad 0	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:15:28 - [99] - Quote Moth Eisig wrote: PvE partly for the puzzle of optimization, partly for the influx of space money, partly for the more relaxed atmosphere . . . but mostly for the tears of those who insist I'm playing their precious game wrong. And how those tears are sooo tasty to lol
Jenshae Chiroptera 1593	Posted - 2015.05.27 05:06:07 - [100] - Quote Moth Eisig wrote: ... tears of those who insist I'm playing their precious game wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTm3GQg51JU CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 955	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:23:01 - [101] - Quote Play for free. Not today spaghetti.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 383	Posted - 2015.08.04 09:05:23 - [102] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: Play for free. Time is money. Time is more important than money. If you pve for any amount of time to "play for free" you could be actually playing the video game and doing fun stuff during that time. A billion isk costs 17.99. How long does it take you to earn 17.99 at your job? Prpb less than it takes to earn a billion in game BRO
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6723	Posted - 2015.08.04 09:16:47 - [103] - Quote OP Look up the Bartle Test. It is the ONLY psychological exam that applies to gamers and gaming, and it will give you the answers you're looking for. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Cypherous Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty 157	Posted - 2015.08.04 09:56:23 - [104] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. None of the above, i PvE to pay the bills, ships don't grow on trees :P
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12073	Posted - 2015.08.04 10:34:40 - [105] - Quote For Science! I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Ortilus Orsides Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.08.04 11:31:24 - [106] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon. Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud Your Girlffriend, is she a redhead. Redheads are the best xD.
Escobar Sr THE THIRTEEN SAMURAI 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:15:04 - [107] - Quote The reasons I PvE more than PvP is as following: - Solo PvP barely exists - always gate camps, always small gangs, always baits - In small gangs, you don't know what people bring to the table, in terms of computer/internet connection. A "Socket Closed" error can kill a small gang; game lag due to poor computer - Time zones - my friends do PvP when I'm at work and vice versa - Comms - I can't multitask between my wife and game - PLEX - as long as you're allowed to work and buy game time, I prefer spending 20 bucks treating my friends with pizza - I "dislike" the Combat exploration (sometimes) when it comes to people who believe when they find someone in a site = competition or they are allowed to steal - Karma strikes instant sometimes - ISK - PvP, at one point, will make you lose your ship, implants => without ISK to replace the ship loss + the Implants => No PvP - Modules/Implants - I'm still a new player - Skill points gain is important for me => I cannot bring +5s in PvP or Deadspace modules - unless I have the ISK to not care if I lose them - which brings us to the point above - Some of the terms people use in Gangs I might not understand => people yelling at me for being a noob => frustration => I will dislike doing fleet PvP => since there is no solo => no PvP at all - PvE has no obligations like PvP - If I wanna do a site or don't, depends on me => people might call you names if you bail a fleet (and we all know the repertoire) And reasons can be a lot, but primaries are: 1. ISK 2. People 3. Specific Limitations I don't judge people who gate camp, if that's what's making them happy, so be it. If something makes you happy, you should keep doing it. Don't try to understand concepts like "why people PvE more than PvP?" or "Why do females act like they do?" etc Play the game as you like, as you enjoy!
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 452	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:21:37 - [108] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: OP Look up the Bartle Test. It is the ONLY psychological exam that applies to gamers and gaming, and it will give you the answers you're looking for. Achievers: Whether it's the isk destroyed value on their killboards or their in-game wallet - a lot of people play just to watch little numbers slowly increase. Killers: Some enjoy the challenging of themselves against others. Both in what's loosely termed pve: market wars/LP exchange rates/avoiding other players in hostile space - as well as more direct forms of pvp. Explorers: Flit around from one in-game profession to the next, learning all the mechanics in the game and how they interact with each other out of curiousity. Socialisers: Enjoy the graphics in this IRC program. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6740	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:25:24 - [109] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: OP Look up the Bartle Test. It is the ONLY psychological exam that applies to gamers and gaming, and it will give you the answers you're looking for. Achievers: Whether it's the isk destroyed value on their killboards or their in-game wallet - a lot of people play just to watch little numbers slowly increase. Killers: Some enjoy the challenging of themselves against others. Both in what's loosely termed pve: market wars/LP exchange rates/avoiding other players in hostile space - as well as more direct forms of pvp. Explorers: Flit around from one in-game profession to the next, learning all the mechanics in the game and how they interact with each other out of curiousity. Socialisers: Enjoy the graphics in this IRC program. lol, that's actually quite fitting for satire, well done, gave me a giggle. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Commander Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1535	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:36:38 - [110] - Quote OP, please note the distinct lack of '+1s' to your original post. The population here tires greatly of these threads. What you want to do is question those of you out in NULL as to why you aren't all fighting eachother? Why would you even entertain politics when you have the warmachine to use without CONCORD getting in the way? This is a far less explored question and one that has greater implications as to 'what the real problem is'. If you live in non-NPC space, there is no CONCORD. There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1537	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:36:38 - [111] - Quote OP, please note the distinct lack of '+1s' to your original post. The population here tires greatly of these threads. What you want to do is question those of you out in NULL as to why you aren't all fighting eachother? Why would you even entertain politics when you have the warmachine to use without CONCORD getting in the way? This is a far less explored question and one that has greater implications as to 'what the real problem is'. If you live in non-NPC space, there is no CONCORD. There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
ISD FlowingSpice ISD STAR 17	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:45:25 - [112] - Quote Deleted some posts violating rules 2 and 4. Play nice.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2071	Posted - 2015.08.04 20:07:19 - [113] - Quote flakeys wrote: ...I know for a lot of people it is hard to acknowledge other people's enjoyment can be in complete contrast with their own. My friends playstyle is in contrast with my own , but i never tried to pull them to my way of playing because i do understand that what is fun for one person is pure missery for the other. +1 ITT: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
embrel BamBam Inc. 250	Posted - 2015.08.05 11:12:39 - [114] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon. Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud a scientist in summer school? sounds legit.
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 49	Posted - 2015.08.05 11:27:17 - [115] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. The reason is simple: ISK/resources for PvP and/or PLEX Since most PvE in EVE is boring as f***, i doubt that there are many other reasons. In other games i like PvE because of the story and/or the challenge.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly. 1620	Posted - 2015.08.05 11:29:28 - [116] - Quote I just like to win. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Robertis Olacar Viziam Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2015.08.05 11:31:41 - [117] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. I only do pve for a number of reason: Life is stressful and I find exploring in Eve relaxing just the process of following the routine. I don't have the dexterity in my hands to be able to effectively PvP. as in being able to hit keyboard short cuts and all that. Having said that I enjoy the threat of PvP when I explore, which is way I now mainly do my exploration out side hi sec. The Threat add's to the immersive feel in the game. Even tho I can't PvP ( or can't effectively PvP ) for real reasons I don't think the game would be as fun if it weren't a constant threat.
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 402	Posted - 2015.08.05 12:06:10 - [118] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley. So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic. So.. What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques? Any other psychological reasons you can think of? Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. My personal opinions: -Probably they just want to play the game. PVE and PVP means playing a game, which we do. -That can't be, since it would be a reason for both PVE and PVP. The other is always the bad guy, after all. -Probably not. -Obviously, contrary to many jokes there aren't enough masochists to keep EVE alive otherwise. -What boss? Do you mean drifters? Sure yes, in group oriented content this probably takes a major role. Otherwise nope. -This again is a reason for both PVE and PVP. Uh maybe you should rework your questions if you want this to be "scientific". Half your questions are relevant for both PVE and PVP, you should clean that up if you want your "study" to aim at PVE exclusively. And you don't differentiate between group and solo content, which makes you sound like you don't even know much about PVE except that it exists. Not really a promising sign for your "scientific" study. Good luck though.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2015.08.05 12:07:45 - [119] - Quote Probably because it's a more relaxing style of play.

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